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OK, last night was kinda ugly...

M.S. : 8/17/2014 7:28 am
...make that real ugly.

But a little perspective here:

1) Brand new offense that is still being installed and still being learned;

2) Pre-season is just that-- pre-season. There's enough history to know that great pre-seasons have led to 4-win seasons and terrible pre-seasons have led to Super Bowls;

3) Speaking of "4 wins"... that's what the Giants team played like last season. 4 wins that morphed into 7 because we caught teams when their starting QBs were out;

4) In other words, we've been gleefully spoiled by two amazing Super Bowl seasons that have obscured something very basic: the Giants are in re-building mode and they are re-building from the bottom looking up;

5) Our expectations -- especially in pre-season -- should be animated by the progress we make as much as the wins we accrue;

6) Bottom line: this team is a work in progress whose success may need to be measured in terms of years, not one pre-season.
The first team offense can't complete a forward pass  
Jints in Carolina : 8/17/2014 7:31 am : link
Yea I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit concerned.
1)  
That Said : 8/17/2014 7:32 am : link
Yes, but it sure would be nice to see them convert a few of these new plays into a meaningful, time-consuming drive.

I don't think that's too much to ask of the 1st team in the third pre-season game.
You  
JoefromPa : 8/17/2014 7:42 am : link
Are Correct about last season being like a four win season, which makes what we have seen up to now in this preseason even more difficult to watch. In today s NFL if a team is managed correctly they can become competitive over the course of one off season. As to it just being preseason, while wins ad losses mean nothing, how a team one's perform is often a barometer for how the regular season will pan out.
Our preseason won/loss record...  
Dunedin81 : 8/17/2014 7:48 am : link
doesn't mean anything, but the inability of the offense to move the ball should be very troubling. The pass protection is the biggest issue. Yes Manning's miscues and his lack of rapport with Randle in particular are problematic but if he has time to throw and doesn't hear footsteps much of that should work itself out. The end result may not be spectacular (then again, maybe it will be) but I would expect us to be competitive. But if Manning is getting pressured even on three-step drops the result is likely to be awful.
Its gonna take us  
natefit : 8/17/2014 7:51 am : link
a cpl yrs to be able to play with the big dogs. Player turnover, new system etc. Two SBs will spoil anyone. Be patient and realistic and enjoy the games for what they are.
I know,  
Arcanum : 8/17/2014 7:55 am : link
watching these games, can be very frustrating. But when have the Giants, ever looked good in preseason ? We have a new offense, a new offensive line, a new TE, and a new RB, it's going to take time. Defensively, we have new corners, and linebackers. Not to mention, Beason is still out. So we just have to be patient. And be thankful, that it's just preseason.
They really need to give some of these guys  
UberAlias : 8/17/2014 8:17 am : link
who are doing things late in games some long looks with the starters this week. The biggest area of weakness that I can see is our WRs look like total garbage. In my eyes, Randle is secure for the 53, but not a lock as a starter, and MM and Jernigan both need to be replaced. Harris and Washington have earned the right to see of they can fix this and I want to see a whole lot of them and ODB this week.

Unfotrunatly week 3 is supposed to be the dress rehersal, but clearly this offense is not ready for that. We need to know if Washington and Harris can play with the varsity and if ODB can bean impact player, and, if not, we are probably in some real trouble, to be honest. Hopefully some of these guys vailing us out in PS games can help bail us out when they count.
Wow MS becoming the voice of reason  
JCin332 : 8/17/2014 8:20 am : link
around here..?
Forget  
RetroJint : 8/17/2014 8:22 am : link
for a moment the o-line, TEs or easy-for-defenders-to-read-routes. Let's center on how terrible Eli's passes are. He is throwing more wobbly ducks than Dave Brown. That is my primary concern. What the hell is going on with his arm?
gotta put up a winning record this year  
aquidneck : 8/17/2014 8:24 am : link
Or fire the coaching staff, scouts and GM.

How long has it been since this team was in the playoffs, now? Regimes in the NFL don't get chance after chance to field an NFL winner?
RE: Forget  
JCin332 : 8/17/2014 8:28 am : link
In comment 11810874 RetroJint said:
Quote:
for a moment the o-line, TEs or easy-for-defenders-to-read-routes. Let's center on how terrible Eli's passes are. He is throwing more wobbly ducks than Dave Brown. That is my primary concern. What the hell is going on with his arm?


Yes you are right the perfect bombs to Cruz (who fumbled) and JJ (who surprise, surprise couldn't make the play) were certainly ducks..
Lots of different  
mushroom : 8/17/2014 8:39 am : link
factors going on with the offense right now.

Brand new rebuilt offensive line, regardless of scheme and talent, it's going to take a while for the line to have any semblance of cohesion.

Eli has to play better, hope it's just a matter of getting use to a new system.

Seems like a lot of experimenting with plays, trying to find out which plays work(not many at this time), which plays might work with better execution and which plays just don't fit the talent/strengths of the personnel.

Hoping it doesn't take too long into the regular season for the O to start to jell.
Nobody cares about pre-season  
LG in NYC : 8/17/2014 9:27 am : link
wins and losses.

But you do like to see your first string squads look crisp and ready to compete. 3 games in, we have seen glimpses from the D but none from the O.

Honestly, MS's opening post and others like it are completely reasonable, but I can't help but think with a QB who many claim is one of the top 10 in the NFL, we should be able to roll out of bed and at least look competent. Eli and team have spent the last season and half looking more like the bottom third of the NFL than anything remotely close to a team ready to compete for the playoffs.

So why should this pre-season performance indicate anything more than a true showing of what we are right now?

I am quickly losing my optimism for this season, and have a feeling I am going to be disappointed more Sunday's than not.
i dont know enough  
Bill2 : 8/17/2014 9:34 am : link
to do more than offer the comment that Eli's passes looked off and wobby short/medium (as they have throughout the years and required one heck of a lot more effort, wind up and exertion when they were long.

I would welcome comments either way from posters who know what they should be looking for in his motion
of course lost in  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 9:37 am : link
The madness of BBI is that Cruz and jerrigan had opportunitis to make huge plays down field and both dropped the ball.

Unless Beckham becomes the real deal fast, your looking at one of the worst receiving groups in the entire NFL.
I find myself agreeing with MS  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/17/2014 9:46 am : link
- - on pretty much every point of his original post
RE: Our preseason won/loss record...  
snumber6 : 8/17/2014 10:51 am : link
In comment 11810851 Dunedin81 said:
[quote] doesn't mean anything,

Could we get a rule passed quickly that expands rosters to 90 and no one can play in more than 2 quarters ??

We're undefeated under those rules ...
look around the league  
area junc : 8/17/2014 10:59 am : link
it doesn't take years anymore to rebuild or switch systems.
Can someone  
lecky : 8/17/2014 12:47 pm : link
please explain to me how this offense is any different from the offense of the past 5 years? I keep hearing about a new system but as of yet I can not see it. Could it be they do not want to show their hand before the season starts?
Bill I agree  
geemanfan : 8/17/2014 2:16 pm : link
It even looked like Eli's footwork was off . Not setting his feet and throwing off the back foot when it was not needed.
Could have drafted  
BBurns : 8/17/2014 7:12 pm : link
A new O-line to protect Eli and regain
dominance in the Run Game instead of shiney
new toys . There no damn good if your
running for your life or on your back .
They went all in with all the free agent moves
yet its been the piss poor drafts that
led us to this point ...........
Havent watched a down of pre-season yet either.
pass blocking isn't nearly  
G2 : 8/17/2014 7:25 pm : link
as bad as run blocking. They're not getting any push. Nada.

J.P.P. hasn't shown squat up to this point either. Very concerning.
I've long beaten the preseason means nothing line  
djm : 8/18/2014 12:59 am : link
... But a nice 1st quarter of offensive football against the jets from Eli and Company wouldn't hurt. Establish a little confidence and maybe calm some people down a bit..

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