NFT: WWE: Summerslam

cena is going over

Will crap all over Cena winning, and they'll lose network subs as most of the original ones are due.

he needs to win. He just beat the undertakers undefeated streak at wrestlemania and now he's going to lose to cena? Just doesn't make sense, he has to go over.

about to come to an end, I don't see how they have Cena retaining.

Don't care for The Miz, at all.

best tag team names of all time

BAROCK LEZNER wins tonight. I hope he totally dominates the match.

because Rollins doesn't have anything to lose if he loses this match. He will still have the brief case either way.

the only match I can give two shits about is the Swagger v Rusev match.

I don't see where it fits.

It it sickening that Hogan says Cena is the best champ of all time.

Fucking around

to the times on that list is Orton-Reigns getting 20 minutes. I think Reigns should go over in 10-12 minutes tops.

Looking forward to the IC title match- I'd like to see those 2 go at it for a few months. I think they could really elevate the title for the first time in a while.

Should be a good show. I'll be rooting hard for Cena, but can't see anyway Lesnar doesn't leave as Champ.

In comment 11811248 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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I don't see where it fits.

Probably because they don't want to run a show without a visual champ on its RAW and PPV shows for what would amount to 7 months if you project him to keep the belt through Mania.

With the dates contract in Lesnar's deal, he won't be able to do most of the TV as is. I don't think they can fully get away with pulling that off.

In comment 11811447 BigBlueinChicago said:

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In comment 11811248 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: I don't see where it fits. Probably because they don't want to run a show without a visual champ on its RAW and PPV shows for what would amount to 7 months if you project him to keep the belt through Mania. With the dates contract in Lesnar's deal, he won't be able to do most of the TV as is. I don't think they can fully get away with pulling that off.

Lesnar would have to make at a minimum one appearance a week on Raw and 'defend' the belt at each PPV (but not necessarily on Raw). Maybe they could get away with Lesnar making 2 appearances per month, one on the Raw before the PPW with Heyman and the PPV itself to wrestle. The rest of the time could be filled by Heyman promos

title and then wins it a few months later and ties Ric Flair.

And then I'll vomit

In comment 11811546 Anakim said:

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title and then wins it a few months later and ties Ric Flair. And then I'll vomit

That is exactly what their plan is. For him to win it right back next month at Night of Champions to tie Ric Flair.

Then lesnar goes away for a while...returns to get it back from Cena at the Rumble and whoever wins the Rumble faces Lesnar.

Ray reportedly leaving TNA, could be a nice addition to WWE if they want him.

to Cesaro that's he's now doing pre-show matches???

basically took my 10 bucks a month to give me the same quality stream as firstrow

WWE just doesn't know what the fuck to do with him.

And he just put Mr. Monday Night (circa 1996) over.

In comment 11811530 dpinzow said:

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Lesnar would have to make at a minimum one appearance a week on Raw and 'defend' the belt at each PPV (but not necessarily on Raw). Maybe they could get away with Lesnar making 2 appearances per month, one on the Raw before the PPW with Heyman and the PPV itself to wrestle. The rest of the time could be filled by Heyman promos

I think since Lesnar came back to WWE, he hasn't been on more than 2 straight PPV's.

Since none of us know the specifics of when he show up and when he can't, it makes it hard to figure everything.

This is where having such a thin roster now is a killer. They have almost no good options.

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Vince Mr. Nickels : 7:47 pm : link : reply basically took my 10 bucks a month to give me the same quality stream as firstrow

My stream has been great. The only time I've ever had an issue was the first month.

the app and rentered and its fine for now

Renee is amazing

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My stream has been great. The only time I've ever had an issue was the first month.

Same here. We watch through the laptop connected to the big screen tv and haven't had any problems in a long time.

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has been cleared to wrestle, and wants to wrestle Cena.

That would be an ideal matchup for WM, so I can go to take my shit and get more to eat.

title match. Add some prestige back to the belt.

ASAP

since they made Swagger a face again they cut out all the immigration/xenophobic stuff from Zeb Colter/Dutch Mantell's character

In comment 11811768 dpinzow said:

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ASAP

Or wear white more often.

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or in NXT that aren't even getting enough shine.

Lana is fine as a manager. There's zero reason to force her into something she'll likely be horrible at (see Marie, Eva).

Instant WWE classic

then Ambrose splashes them all outside the ring. Chants of this is awesome ensue

May be the best PPV of the year.

WWE Creative ate their wheaties today

but it worked out perfectly and the feud def continues due to Kane interference and the briefcase

They need to do Hell in a Cell

when that feud ends.

wears that outfit for Trips?

looks like a dominatrix.

TV-PG folks.

Catwoman or Stephanie McMahon

Jerry to say something. Just like it was during the ending to the Paige match when she kissed and crawled on top of AJ.

they've gotten everything right with the exception of the pre-show match.

was threatened to be fired if she didnt intervene. It looked like after she hit her that she was devastated to do so.

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In comment 11811855 SoZKillA said:

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Catwoman or Stephanie McMahon

It's Chyna

The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.

In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said:

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The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.

Agreed. Reigns is like Diesel Rollins HBK.

In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said:

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The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.

Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper

he needs his own unique finisher not the spear. How many guys used the spear as finisher? 40?

In comment 11811904 dpinzow said:

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In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28. Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper

I'm just talking about in ring talent.

He should be a mostly silent ass kicker, who (at least while he's still developing as a wrestler) works pretty tight, short-ish but sweet matches.

Instead they've booked him as a smarmy, charmless douchebag version of Cena as a character that gets his ass kicked way too often and is having boring matches right out of the gate with the most tired guys on the roster (Kane previously, Orton tonight).

in NY/NJ

They are not going to put this at MetLife Stadium are they? How are they going to sell that out?

Lesnar looks like he is in the best shape since he came back 2 years ago.

so much for Cena not coming out in his clown gear

In comment 11811916 Riggies said:

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He should be a mostly silent ass kicker, who (at least while he's still developing as a wrestler) works pretty tight, short-ish but sweet matches. Instead they've booked him as a smarmy, charmless douchebag version of Cena as a character that gets his ass kicked way too often and is having boring matches right out of the gate with the most tired guys on the roster (Kane previously, Orton tonight).

Yep. It is a lock Reigns fails. Bootista part 2 they never learn.

how many times Cena kicks out of the f-5.

There's 1.

In comment 11811908 Dave in Hoboken said:

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In comment 11811904 dpinzow said: Quote: In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28. Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper I'm just talking about in ring talent.

Piper is dramatically underrated in the ring. He's no HBK but he was a high-level performer

Cena getting dominated. Cant wait for him to get that burst of an energy for a pointless AA and to keep the win.

Rather see Cena control the match, at least then Lesnar has a chance at the end.

Does more German Suplexes than Scott Stiener

then breaking that streak was meaningless.

got him right where he wants him!!

as number 2.

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No way. It will suck if Cena wins. But Lesnar dominating and winning is perfect. He is straight up kicking the shit out of him.

is so clearly winning

WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brock rules!

YES YES YES!!!

They did a great job on this PPV. The only flaw was Cesaro losing to RVD

That was one of the best ass kickings in a long time.

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How on Earth are they going to book the titles off Lesnar now? Roman Reigns? Nobody can take them off of him realistically (besides a fairy tale Cena rematch which is what will happen at Night of Champions)

In comment 11811937 dpinzow said:

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In comment 11811908 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: In comment 11811904 dpinzow said: Quote: In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28. Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper I'm just talking about in ring talent. Piper is dramatically underrated in the ring. He's no HBK but he was a high-level performer

In the ring? I was never a Piper in ring fan. His promos were awesome, though.

Brock won. But with the way the match went, no way Cena's ego is willing to leave it at that. He'll beat Brock in a future rematch and tie Flair's record "against the odds".

but I hate this. Not much of a Cena fan, although I respect his dedication, and that's he's drawn a lot of money over the years. But Lesnar? Can't stand him. That match was a piece of shit. You want to say he dominated him, and that's an appropriate storyline to build heat? Fine. But what was essentially a non-competitive squash match as the main event of the 2nd biggest show of the year? Brutal.

Good card otherwise I thought. I agree with previous sentiment on the Reigns booking. The gotta get that guy in to some kind of a novel feud, and quick. Or else he's going to end up being the forgotten man of the Shield, which was unthinkable a few months ago.

he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose

...THAT WAS AWESOME


16 German Suplexes. Haha, Jesus Christ

Maybe a match tomorrow night with Cesaro to turn him face

In comment 11811962 TheNeumann64 said:

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but I hate this. Not much of a Cena fan, although I respect his dedication, and that's he's drawn a lot of money over the years. But Lesnar? Can't stand him. That match was a piece of shit. You want to say he dominated him, and that's an appropriate storyline to build heat? Fine. But what was essentially a non-competitive squash match as the main event of the 2nd biggest show of the year? Brutal. Good card otherwise I thought. I agree with previous sentiment on the Reigns booking. The gotta get that guy in to some kind of a novel feud, and quick. Or else he's going to end up being the forgotten man of the Shield, which was unthinkable a few months ago.

Having the match be competitive is not what Lesnar's characters about. Its about total annihilation. It was perfect.

Now my ideal scenario is Brock hold the title through the rumble. And then in the royal rumble have a mysterious entry at number 30. That being Punk. Punk wins and sets up a Punk/Lesnar WM. Punk wins that sets up a Punk/bryan Summerslam.

seconds could ruin that match.....or Cena's red thong

In comment 11811964 Mr. Nickels said:

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he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose

WWE sees him as their next top face. They aren't going to let him fall behind anyone, one way or another. WWE fans could time warp back to 1997 and break out a "Die Roman, Die!" chant and it wouldn't matter one bit.

He has a lot of potential, but when Randy Orton is the only one getting a crowd involved in a match to any extent, something is massively going wrong and it's potentially setting the stage for something easily worse than Cena's reactions over the last decade.

not what his character is about, and that's why I find him so utterly uninteresting. I'm a network subscriber, so I can't say I laid out specifically for this card tonight, but if I went in 50 bucks to watch what was basically a video game match where the other controller is unplugged, I'd be less than thrilled, regardless of what his character is.

But whatever, people seem to love him, and I don't. I hate the idea of him as Champion, but I don't have any interest in being the contrarian, but I did want to share my displeasure.

Overall though again, I though good show. Liked Ziggler going over specifically.

Total squash match...I love it!

In comment 11811965 Anakim said:

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...THAT WAS AWESOME 16 German Suplexes. Haha, Jesus Christ

Which is something you should be praising Cena for, not that you will.

He took a massive toll on his body tonight that someone with his neck history probably has no business taking in order to put someone over, just like he worked pretty badly injured last Summer Slam to put Bryan over.

In comment 11811971 Riggies said:

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In comment 11811964 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose WWE sees him as their next top face. They aren't going to let him fall behind anyone, one way or another. WWE fans could time warp back to 1997 and break out a "Die Roman, Die!" chant and it wouldn't matter one bit. He has a lot of potential, but when Randy Orton is the only one getting a crowd involved in a match to any extent, something is massively going wrong and it's potentially setting the stage for something easily worse than Cena's reactions over the last decade.

How often does WWE's handpicked faces workout though? It always ends up being the guy who goes out there and TAKES it ala Stone Cold Steve Austin The Rock Bret Hart Shawn Michaels etc all the greats.

In comment 11811975 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 11811971 Riggies said: Quote: In comment 11811964 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose WWE sees him as their next top face. They aren't going to let him fall behind anyone, one way or another. WWE fans could time warp back to 1997 and break out a "Die Roman, Die!" chant and it wouldn't matter one bit. He has a lot of potential, but when Randy Orton is the only one getting a crowd involved in a match to any extent, something is massively going wrong and it's potentially setting the stage for something easily worse than Cena's reactions over the last decade. How often does WWE's handpicked faces workout though? It always ends up being the guy who goes out there and TAKES it ala Stone Cold Steve Austin The Rock Bret Hart Shawn Michaels etc all the greats.

Forgot our 2 modern examples: CM Punk and Daniel Bryan

Yokozuna beat Hulk and this was far more brtual. I am most defintatly not a Cena fan but I have got to give the man his props for being a true professional and taking a beating like that, good lord

In comment 11811974 Riggies said:

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In comment 11811965 Anakim said: Quote: ...THAT WAS AWESOME 16 German Suplexes. Haha, Jesus Christ Which is something you should be praising Cena for, not that you will. He took a massive toll on his body tonight that someone with his neck history probably has no business taking in order to put someone over, just like he worked pretty badly injured last Summer Slam to put Bryan over.

Honestly, this was the best match/performance Cena has been in since MITB against Punk. Total kudos and credit to him!

In comment 11811978 DaveFromNewMexico said:

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Yokozuna beat Hulk and this was far more brtual. I am most defintatly not a Cena fan but I have got to give the man his props for being a true professional and taking a beating like that, good lord

I wouldn't go that far. Diesel jack knife power bombed bob Backlund in 8 seconds. Pretty one sided dominant win.

I guess he's going to hold a few squash matches from here to at least the Royal Rumble. Since he's only going to wrestle once a month, if that, how are the next PPVs going to be arranged?

This is a bit of a swerve but I would feed Rusev to the wolves at some point in the next three months

so they were willing to demote him down the card, rebuild his character from the flop that was Rocky Maivia, and try again.

Hogan was handpicked too, as Vince allegedly lined him up to be his next iconic face the minute he bought his father out and decided to go national.

It's really a mixed bag as to what works or not, historically.

only clear successful sample.

The Rock was not handpicked. His character fell on its face and he made himself.

Cena wins it back at Night of Champions Lesnar goes away awhile and comes back to win it at Rumble.

It is easier to cruise control from Rumble to Mania as Champ.

is for my expectations to be blown away. Surprise me.

Well, Lesnar/Cena surprised me. Not the result. But the way it happened. And if wrestling can still surprise me, after watching it my entire life, then they did something right.

Lesnar with the big belt means that Ziggler's going to get a tremendous amount of work as the IC champ and might get a chance to carry the company a bit

In comment 11811985 Mr. Nickels said:

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Cena wins it back at Night of Champions Lesnar goes away awhile and comes back to win it at Rumble. It is easier to cruise control from Rumble to Mania as Champ.

Cena's doing a movie from what I've heard, and that's why he agreed to drop the belt

He beat the streak and squashed Cena, so it makes no sense for him to drop the belt at any PPV other than WM because he's so built up as a heel (and he's a legit fighter to boot)

In comment 11811984 Mr. Nickels said:

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only clear successful sample. The Rock was not handpicked. His character fell on its face and he made himself.

Rocky Maivia was supposed to be a star. He was absolutely handpicked to be one, that was clear the minute he showed up as "The Blue Chipper" and was over-hyped as a third generation superstar. It just ended up all a flop.

Things were more fluid/desperate then, so they had to demote him, which gave him a chance to re-start and he made that work out. If that happened today, they'd have just kept on trying to make him work mostly as is before giving up entirely on him.

didn't try to cash in lol

In comment 11812000 Mr. Nickels said:

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didn't try to cash in lol

Good thing for him, he might very well be dead if he did

In comment 11811980 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 11811978 DaveFromNewMexico said: Quote: Yokozuna beat Hulk and this was far more brtual. I am most defintatly not a Cena fan but I have got to give the man his props for being a true professional and taking a beating like that, good lord I wouldn't go that far. Diesel jack knife power bombed bob Backlund in 8 seconds. Pretty one sided dominant win.

I meant in terms of a heel beating a face. I am not counting any of those MITB cash ins either

In comment 11812031 DaveFromNewMexico said:

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In comment 11811980 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: In comment 11811978 DaveFromNewMexico said: Quote: Yokozuna beat Hulk and this was far more brtual. I am most defintatly not a Cena fan but I have got to give the man his props for being a true professional and taking a beating like that, good lord I wouldn't go that far. Diesel jack knife power bombed bob Backlund in 8 seconds. Pretty one sided dominant win. I meant in terms of a heel beating a face. I am not counting any of those MITB cash ins either

It may be. I know The Rock brutally beat Mankind once or twice to win the title back but it wasn't as one sided as that. That was as dominant as it gets. No idea who can beat Lesnar.

and count myself. They said "release" German suplexes. Does that mean they didn't count the multiple ones?

In comment 11811204 dontboobigblue said:

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cena is going over

I'd say he was a little off

Is Lesnar as an unstoppable force and Reigns as Superman. Lesnar is going to hold the belt until then defeating some wannabes along the way looking unstoppable and uncontrollable as well. Regins wins the Rumble and then wins the belt at Wrestlemania sine he is "superman".

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Well, Lesnar/Cena surprised me. Not the result. But the way it happened.

When he started out by just overpowering Cena, I thought they'd booked it for another Super-Cena ass-kick/improbably comeback.

I did not expect it to be a squash.

I can remember, I was impressed with John Cena selling it.

In comment 11812084 Wuphat said:

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Quote: Well, Lesnar/Cena surprised me. Not the result. But the way it happened. When he started out by just overpowering Cena, I thought they'd booked it for another Super-Cena ass-kick/improbably comeback. I did not expect it to be a squash. I too was surprised at how one-sided a match this was. I understand putting Lesnar over but to let Cena be treated like a rag doll was shocking! Like him/Hate him, Cena has been the WWE's rock over a long period of time & watching last night was cringe-worthy. In actuality,it was a lousy feature match w/Cena showing a very minimal amount of fight. I can take Heyman in small doses but now every time I hear B-R-O-C-K L-E-S-N-A-R,I'm going to hope that a match w/ Reigns(or rematch w/Cena) takes place shortly!

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Is Lesnar as an unstoppable force and Reigns as Superman. Lesnar is going to hold the belt until then defeating some wannabes along the way looking unstoppable and uncontrollable as well. Regins wins the Rumble and then wins the belt at Wrestlemania sine he is "superman".

WWE better be careful with Reigns.

The crowd sounded like a funeral for that match he had tonight before the main event. The LA crowd last night seemed hot.

If he can't keep momentum these next 3 months going into the Rumble, I can see them making a last minute switch.

His promos haven't been all that good and having him in a match for 20 minutes seems to overexpose him.

that didnt need crazy turns and things like that...

The Lesnar/Cena match was great and it was fast moving...it wasnt a slow methodical beat down which made it even better...Cena actually sold the match quite well which i am shocked about...evne when h ehopped up a couple of times in the match and had some moves they made it seem like it was all adrenaline the way Lesnar brushed it off and Cena layed down again right after it...it was actually pretty good story telling who knew Cena had it in him...

It is crazy how much bigger Lesnar looked compared to Cena, cena is a big guy and he looked tiny next to Lesnar...

as for reigns i am starting to get bored with him...He needs to learn the psychology of a match...I wish Triple H would take him under his wing...Even though Triple H wasnt the greatest wrestler he just knew how to tell a story and you were camptivated by it...even when he lost a step he still had a great matches because he just knew how to tell the story of a match...

Reigns needs to learn that, he needs to learn its not just about the moves and how fast you do them, its about using the psychology to sell the match...

Its same reason i cant stand Cena...Cena doesnt tell a story and he doesnt sell shit...

In comment 11812251 nygiants16 said:

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that didnt need crazy turns and things like that... The Lesnar/Cena match was great and it was fast moving...it wasnt a slow methodical beat down which made it even better...Cena actually sold the match quite well which i am shocked about...evne when h ehopped up a couple of times in the match and had some moves they made it seem like it was all adrenaline the way Lesnar brushed it off and Cena layed down again right after it...it was actually pretty good story telling who knew Cena had it in him... It is crazy how much bigger Lesnar looked compared to Cena, cena is a big guy and he looked tiny next to Lesnar... as for reigns i am starting to get bored with him...He needs to learn the psychology of a match...I wish Triple H would take him under his wing...Even though Triple H wasnt the greatest wrestler he just knew how to tell a story and you were camptivated by it...even when he lost a step he still had a great matches because he just knew how to tell the story of a match... Reigns needs to learn that, he needs to learn its not just about the moves and how fast you do them, its about using the psychology to sell the match... Its same reason i cant stand Cena...Cena doesnt tell a story and he doesnt sell shit...

What is absolutely insane, is that if you watched the end of Raw the other night Hulk is still bigger then Lesnar as far height, and muscle mass. That is absolutely crazy to me because Lesnar is no means a small man. Which means Hulk dwarfs Cena.

They're doing that oh so annoying NY NJ marketing deal. So, I'll expect the PPV to be at Barclays with the events of the week between Izod & the city. Maybe RAW the night after could be at MSG.

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They're doing that oh so annoying NY NJ marketing deal. So, I'll expect the PPV to be at Barclays with the events of the week between Izod & the city. Maybe RAW the night after could be at MSG.

It's been in LA for 3-4 years now. Are they expected to change locations?

In comment 11812779 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Yes, they announced it last night. NY/NJ

"I ain't carrying two friggin belts"

lol

New world championship tonight
Brock to TMZ - ( New Window )

After Summerslam went off the air, the Los Angeles crowd booed John Cena as he was walked to the back chanting, "Thank you Lesnar" and singing, "Hey Hey Hey, Goodbye" at the former champion.