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NFT: WWE: Summerslam

LawrenceTaylor56 : 8/17/2014 12:35 pm
Will the new era of Brock start tonight as world champ?

Here's the card. (Rumored length of match)

Dolph Ziggler vs. The Miz (10 minutes)
Bray Wyatt vs. Chris Jericho (15 minutes)
Rusev vs. Jack Swagger (12 minutes)
Paige vs. AJ Lee (12 minutes)
Dean Ambrose vs. Seth Rollins (15 minutes)
Randy Orton vs. Roman Reigns (20 minutes)
Brie Bella vs. Stephanie McMahon (15 minutes)
Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena (25 minutes)
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RE: Rollins is a future in ring GOAT.  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:17 pm : link
In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said:
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The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.


Agreed. Reigns is like Diesel Rollins HBK.
RE: Rollins is a future in ring GOAT.  
dpinzow : 8/17/2014 10:17 pm : link
In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said:
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The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.


Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper
Reigns gimmick sucks  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:18 pm : link
he needs his own unique finisher not the spear. How many guys used the spear as finisher? 40?
RE: RE: Rollins is a future in ring GOAT.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2014 10:18 pm : link
In comment 11811904 dpinzow said:
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In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said:


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The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.



Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper


I'm just talking about in ring talent.
They've pretty much set up Reigns to fail, honestly.  
Riggies : 8/17/2014 10:24 pm : link
He should be a mostly silent ass kicker, who (at least while he's still developing as a wrestler) works pretty tight, short-ish but sweet matches.

Instead they've booked him as a smarmy, charmless douchebag version of Cena as a character that gets his ass kicked way too often and is having boring matches right out of the gate with the most tired guys on the roster (Kane previously, Orton tonight).
Summerslam 2015  
BigBlueinChicago : 8/17/2014 10:25 pm : link
in NY/NJ

They are not going to put this at MetLife Stadium are they? How are they going to sell that out?
God damn  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 10:29 pm : link
Lesnar looks like he is in the best shape since he came back 2 years ago.
well  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:31 pm : link
so much for Cena not coming out in his clown gear
RE: They've pretty much set up Reigns to fail, honestly.  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:32 pm : link
In comment 11811916 Riggies said:
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He should be a mostly silent ass kicker, who (at least while he's still developing as a wrestler) works pretty tight, short-ish but sweet matches.

Instead they've booked him as a smarmy, charmless douchebag version of Cena as a character that gets his ass kicked way too often and is having boring matches right out of the gate with the most tired guys on the roster (Kane previously, Orton tonight).


Yep. It is a lock Reigns fails. Bootista part 2 they never learn.
Lets count  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 10:34 pm : link
how many times Cena kicks out of the f-5.

There's 1.
RE: RE: RE: Rollins is a future in ring GOAT.  
dpinzow : 8/17/2014 10:34 pm : link
In comment 11811908 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 11811883 Dave in Hoboken said:


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The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.



Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper



I'm just talking about in ring talent.


Piper is dramatically underrated in the ring. He's no HBK but he was a high-level performer
Ugh  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 10:38 pm : link
Cena getting dominated. Cant wait for him to get that burst of an energy for a pointless AA and to keep the win.

Rather see Cena control the match, at least then Lesnar has a chance at the end.
Brock  
SoZKillA : 8/17/2014 10:41 pm : link
Does more German Suplexes than Scott Stiener
If Cena goes over after they had Lesnar break The Undertaker's streak,  
Wuphat : 8/17/2014 10:41 pm : link
then breaking that streak was meaningless.
Cena's  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:43 pm : link
got him right where he wants him!!
I am counting that  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 10:43 pm : link
as number 2.
Match sucks so far  
ZogZerg : 8/17/2014 10:45 pm : link
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RE: Match sucks so far  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 10:47 pm : link
In comment 11811947 ZogZerg said:
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No way. It will suck if Cena wins. But Lesnar dominating and winning is perfect. He is straight up kicking the shit out of him.
Cena  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:47 pm : link
is so clearly winning
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 10:49 pm : link
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brock rules!
YEs  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:50 pm : link
YES YES YES!!!
That was exactly what should have happened  
Wuphat : 8/17/2014 10:50 pm : link
They did a great job on this PPV. The only flaw was Cesaro losing to RVD
Perfect ending  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 10:51 pm : link
That was one of the best ass kickings in a long time.
That is how every Cena match should end  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:52 pm : link
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How on Earth are they going to book the titles off Lesnar now? Roman Reigns? Nobody can take them off of him realistically (besides a fairy tale Cena rematch which is what will happen at Night of Champions)
RE: RE: RE: RE: Rollins is a future in ring GOAT.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2014 10:52 pm : link
In comment 11811937 dpinzow said:
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The HBK of this generation. The amount of great matches he's going to have on his resume by the time he retires is going to be staggering. He's only 28.



Ambrose isn't that far behind...he reminds me quite a bit of Roddy Piper



I'm just talking about in ring talent.



Piper is dramatically underrated in the ring. He's no HBK but he was a high-level performer


In the ring? I was never a Piper in ring fan. His promos were awesome, though.
Great that  
illmatic : 8/17/2014 10:52 pm : link
Brock won. But with the way the match went, no way Cena's ego is willing to leave it at that. He'll beat Brock in a future rematch and tie Flair's record "against the odds".
I know I'm alone  
TheNeumann64 : 8/17/2014 10:56 pm : link
but I hate this. Not much of a Cena fan, although I respect his dedication, and that's he's drawn a lot of money over the years. But Lesnar? Can't stand him. That match was a piece of shit. You want to say he dominated him, and that's an appropriate storyline to build heat? Fine. But what was essentially a non-competitive squash match as the main event of the 2nd biggest show of the year? Brutal.

Good card otherwise I thought. I agree with previous sentiment on the Reigns booking. The gotta get that guy in to some kind of a novel feud, and quick. Or else he's going to end up being the forgotten man of the Shield, which was unthinkable a few months ago.
i think its too late for Roman  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 10:59 pm : link
he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose
I can't remember another match that Cena was so dominated in..and lost  
Anakim : 8/17/2014 10:59 pm : link
...THAT WAS AWESOME


16 German Suplexes. Haha, Jesus Christ
My guess is that it sets up a program with Reigns or D-Bry  
Anakim : 8/17/2014 11:01 pm : link
Maybe a match tomorrow night with Cesaro to turn him face
RE: I know I'm alone  
dep026 : 8/17/2014 11:01 pm : link
In comment 11811962 TheNeumann64 said:
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but I hate this. Not much of a Cena fan, although I respect his dedication, and that's he's drawn a lot of money over the years. But Lesnar? Can't stand him. That match was a piece of shit. You want to say he dominated him, and that's an appropriate storyline to build heat? Fine. But what was essentially a non-competitive squash match as the main event of the 2nd biggest show of the year? Brutal.

Good card otherwise I thought. I agree with previous sentiment on the Reigns booking. The gotta get that guy in to some kind of a novel feud, and quick. Or else he's going to end up being the forgotten man of the Shield, which was unthinkable a few months ago.


Having the match be competitive is not what Lesnar's characters about. Its about total annihilation. It was perfect.

Now my ideal scenario is Brock hold the title through the rumble. And then in the royal rumble have a mysterious entry at number 30. That being Punk. Punk wins and sets up a Punk/Lesnar WM. Punk wins that sets up a Punk/bryan Summerslam.
Not even Cena's stupid kid fan chanting "LET'S GO CENA" every three...  
Anakim : 8/17/2014 11:05 pm : link
seconds could ruin that match.....or Cena's red thong
RE: i think its too late for Roman  
Riggies : 8/17/2014 11:08 pm : link
In comment 11811964 Mr. Nickels said:
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he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose


WWE sees him as their next top face. They aren't going to let him fall behind anyone, one way or another. WWE fans could time warp back to 1997 and break out a "Die Roman, Die!" chant and it wouldn't matter one bit.

He has a lot of potential, but when Randy Orton is the only one getting a crowd involved in a match to any extent, something is massively going wrong and it's potentially setting the stage for something easily worse than Cena's reactions over the last decade.
I understand that  
TheNeumann64 : 8/17/2014 11:10 pm : link
not what his character is about, and that's why I find him so utterly uninteresting. I'm a network subscriber, so I can't say I laid out specifically for this card tonight, but if I went in 50 bucks to watch what was basically a video game match where the other controller is unplugged, I'd be less than thrilled, regardless of what his character is.

But whatever, people seem to love him, and I don't. I hate the idea of him as Champion, but I don't have any interest in being the contrarian, but I did want to share my displeasure.

Overall though again, I though good show. Liked Ziggler going over specifically.
16 German Suplexes. Jesus Christ.  
Anakim : 8/17/2014 11:11 pm : link
Total squash match...I love it!
RE: I can't remember another match that Cena was so dominated in..and lost  
Riggies : 8/17/2014 11:11 pm : link
In comment 11811965 Anakim said:
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...THAT WAS AWESOME


16 German Suplexes. Haha, Jesus Christ


Which is something you should be praising Cena for, not that you will.

He took a massive toll on his body tonight that someone with his neck history probably has no business taking in order to put someone over, just like he worked pretty badly injured last Summer Slam to put Bryan over.
RE: RE: i think its too late for Roman  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 11:11 pm : link
In comment 11811971 Riggies said:
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he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose



WWE sees him as their next top face. They aren't going to let him fall behind anyone, one way or another. WWE fans could time warp back to 1997 and break out a "Die Roman, Die!" chant and it wouldn't matter one bit.

He has a lot of potential, but when Randy Orton is the only one getting a crowd involved in a match to any extent, something is massively going wrong and it's potentially setting the stage for something easily worse than Cena's reactions over the last decade.


How often does WWE's handpicked faces workout though? It always ends up being the guy who goes out there and TAKES it ala Stone Cold Steve Austin The Rock Bret Hart Shawn Michaels etc all the greats.
RE: RE: RE: i think its too late for Roman  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 11:12 pm : link
In comment 11811975 Mr. Nickels said:
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he aint catching up with Rollins and Ambrose



WWE sees him as their next top face. They aren't going to let him fall behind anyone, one way or another. WWE fans could time warp back to 1997 and break out a "Die Roman, Die!" chant and it wouldn't matter one bit.

He has a lot of potential, but when Randy Orton is the only one getting a crowd involved in a match to any extent, something is massively going wrong and it's potentially setting the stage for something easily worse than Cena's reactions over the last decade.



How often does WWE's handpicked faces workout though? It always ends up being the guy who goes out there and TAKES it ala Stone Cold Steve Austin The Rock Bret Hart Shawn Michaels etc all the greats.


Forgot our 2 modern examples: CM Punk and Daniel Bryan
Easily the most one sided WWE title change since  
DaveFromNewMexico : 8/17/2014 11:16 pm : link
Yokozuna beat Hulk and this was far more brtual. I am most defintatly not a Cena fan but I have got to give the man his props for being a true professional and taking a beating like that, good lord
RE: RE: I can't remember another match that Cena was so dominated in..and lost  
Anakim : 8/17/2014 11:17 pm : link
In comment 11811974 Riggies said:
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...THAT WAS AWESOME


16 German Suplexes. Haha, Jesus Christ



Which is something you should be praising Cena for, not that you will.

He took a massive toll on his body tonight that someone with his neck history probably has no business taking in order to put someone over, just like he worked pretty badly injured last Summer Slam to put Bryan over.



Honestly, this was the best match/performance Cena has been in since MITB against Punk. Total kudos and credit to him!
RE: Easily the most one sided WWE title change since  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 11:17 pm : link
In comment 11811978 DaveFromNewMexico said:
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Yokozuna beat Hulk and this was far more brtual. I am most defintatly not a Cena fan but I have got to give the man his props for being a true professional and taking a beating like that, good lord


I wouldn't go that far. Diesel jack knife power bombed bob Backlund in 8 seconds. Pretty one sided dominant win.
How do you book Lesnar from here  
dpinzow : 8/17/2014 11:18 pm : link
I guess he's going to hold a few squash matches from here to at least the Royal Rumble. Since he's only going to wrestle once a month, if that, how are the next PPVs going to be arranged?

This is a bit of a swerve but I would feed Rusev to the wolves at some point in the next three months
The Rock was handpicked. They just were more desperate back then,  
Riggies : 8/17/2014 11:19 pm : link
so they were willing to demote him down the card, rebuild his character from the flop that was Rocky Maivia, and try again.

Hogan was handpicked too, as Vince allegedly lined him up to be his next iconic face the minute he bought his father out and decided to go national.

It's really a mixed bag as to what works or not, historically.
Hogan was handpicked  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 11:20 pm : link
only clear successful sample.

The Rock was not handpicked. His character fell on its face and he made himself.
i think  
Mr. Nickels : 8/17/2014 11:20 pm : link
Cena wins it back at Night of Champions Lesnar goes away awhile and comes back to win it at Rumble.

It is easier to cruise control from Rumble to Mania as Champ.
All I really want in wrestling  
Pego61 : 8/17/2014 11:21 pm : link
is for my expectations to be blown away. Surprise me.

Well, Lesnar/Cena surprised me. Not the result. But the way it happened. And if wrestling can still surprise me, after watching it my entire life, then they did something right.
There is some upside in the midcard  
dpinzow : 8/17/2014 11:22 pm : link
Lesnar with the big belt means that Ziggler's going to get a tremendous amount of work as the IC champ and might get a chance to carry the company a bit
RE: i think  
dpinzow : 8/17/2014 11:23 pm : link
In comment 11811985 Mr. Nickels said:
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Cena wins it back at Night of Champions Lesnar goes away awhile and comes back to win it at Rumble.

It is easier to cruise control from Rumble to Mania as Champ.


Cena's doing a movie from what I've heard, and that's why he agreed to drop the belt
Also, how can Lesnar job at a minor PPV  
dpinzow : 8/17/2014 11:27 pm : link
He beat the streak and squashed Cena, so it makes no sense for him to drop the belt at any PPV other than WM because he's so built up as a heel (and he's a legit fighter to boot)
RE: Hogan was handpicked  
Riggies : 8/17/2014 11:30 pm : link
In comment 11811984 Mr. Nickels said:
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only clear successful sample.

The Rock was not handpicked. His character fell on its face and he made himself.


Rocky Maivia was supposed to be a star. He was absolutely handpicked to be one, that was clear the minute he showed up as "The Blue Chipper" and was over-hyped as a third generation superstar. It just ended up all a flop.

Things were more fluid/desperate then, so they had to demote him, which gave him a chance to re-start and he made that work out. If that happened today, they'd have just kept on trying to make him work mostly as is before giving up entirely on him.
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