#1) On the first 3 drives the offensive line is "NOT" the problem. The o line gave him enough time to hit his receivers.
Beatty played well and so did Pugh. On those first 3 drives neither did Beatty or Pugh allow pressure.
#2) Eli is just flat out not being accurate on his throws. The throw to Larry Donnell was behind him and low. The interception he threw the protection was literally perfect, he just for whatever reason didn't hit his receiver in stride. The throw to Rueben Randle was just off.
Bottom line if you want to fix this offense, the Qb coach needs to work with Eli on his accuracy. No more throwing off of his back foot when there isn't pressure.
He needs practice, he needs way more reps to perfect the accuracy
the 2011 champ game was one of the greatest beatings ive ever seen a QB take.
The truth is that Reese and TC left Eli out to dry since 2012. Our drafting has been putrid and we're now paying that price.
I said in an earlier thread I'm concerned about Eli. I stand on that comment
The OL will need time to gel. But I don't think Randle should be a lock to be a starter opposite Cruz.
But to say pass protection was not an issue in the game is outright not true.
The problem is Eli got rattled in 2013 and he remains rattled thus far in 2014. He may be done.
Agreed. As I said elsewhere, the problems are everywhere on offense, but especially with the OL and Eli. The irony is that Eli might be the bigger problem. The problems with the OL might, might be mostly a function of a lack of chemistry. Only Beatty and Pugh remain from last year.
Eli does look rattled. He's thinking about the rush. Luck was totally opposite. So frankly was Nassib. Nassib got flattened on one play, and got right back up, and went right back at the Colts. He was also running for his life on a number of other plays.
It is just preseason, but this preseason has more importance given the season Eli had last year. I hate to think that your Neil Lomax comparison might be correct, but it easily could be. We'll know by Halloween at the latest IMO. Coughlin and Eli are probably both done with another bad year.
At some point this is going to be a return on investment issue. If you can pay someone else less to do the same thing and spend the difference on players who can make the team better....It really becomes a no brainer. We will see how things play out....but if the Giants miss the playoffs I am not sure we will see Eli next year.
At some point this is going to be a return on investment issue. If you can pay someone else less to do the same thing and spend the difference on players who can make the team better....It really becomes a no brainer. We will see how things play out....but if the Giants miss the playoffs I am not sure we will see Eli next year.
Eli is scheduled to make $17M next year. That won't happen unless there is a complete turnaround from last year, including a deep run into the playoffs.
Pressure is going to come. It doesn't matter who they play or whether we trade for 5 all-pro lineman...pressure is dialed up based on down & distances and situational football. If Eli can't handle it anymore than he is done.
Eli, TC & McAdoo are going to have to figure it out. They need to get Eli to change his bad habits and they are going to have to run plays that offer the best chance to keep the defense off balance. Right now, I see neither happening (albeit preseason).
Defenses are playing very aggressive vs Giants because its working. Either the Giants figure out how to expose that aggressiveness or they are just going to wear out Weatherford's leg...
The only way that's going to get fixed is if the line provides some decent protection and allows him to get it sorted out. There's no way he's going to fix any of this if he's got someone running free before he's even hit the back end of his drop.
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He is getting paid like an Elite QB....and has been no where close to that level for almost 2 years now.
At some point this is going to be a return on investment issue. If you can pay someone else less to do the same thing and spend the difference on players who can make the team better....It really becomes a no brainer. We will see how things play out....but if the Giants miss the playoffs I am not sure we will see Eli next year.
Eli is scheduled to make $17M next year. That won't happen unless there is a complete turnaround from last year, including a deep run into the playoffs.
So hypothetically, if Eli throws for 4,000 yards, 30 Tds, and 14 INTs but they fail to make the playoffs.... Eli wont be the starting QB?
make some plays
find completions
use your skill to get us going
there are plays to b made all over the field. the colts showed what an elite, hungry QB looks like. we all have our theories, mine is that eli got rich, fat and happy ($100+ million in the bank, 2 kids, 2 rings) and just lost his edge. He's also gonna b 34 in january. think its a combination of all those factors that makes it not much of a mystery what we're seeing now.
the QB is not simply along for the ride like an offensive guard. he makes it go. he spent his entire career avoiding trouble and making plays. its just not there anymore.
Otherwise we are in for another long year. I think they'll get it together. I just hope we are able to win a few games while it happens.
eli got pushed around and knocked down.
was forcing throws and receivers werent looking....
cause eli threw to avoid sack...only good throw
was to cruz...a couple throws he had time and was
short and on too long....mcadoo mentioned having
eli throw the way his feet are pointed...?..I know
he has been playing with hi6z technic...rythm is off..
why 2nd and 3rd qbs have been playing better.is
strange...its like watching differant team...
I dont buy because they are playing lesser player..
against bills eli still struggled against bills 2nd team
.
getting open
thinking I have 12 plays lets get out healthy...and eli thinking he has
to make few good plays is cursing him....2nd stringers playing
for job....human nature...
nassib and painter got pressures but made plenty of passes..
ang guys got downfield..need to get some other guys
out there
This will be an interesting week of practice. I think TC should put Nassib in with the ones and see if he moves the chains on 3rd. If he does, and Eli can't destroy the 2nd unit then this may be a Eli problem.
This will be an interesting week of practice. I think TC should put Nassib in with the ones and see if he moves the chains on 3rd. If he does, and Eli can't destroy the 2nd unit then this may be a Eli problem.
Please no...Eli is the undisputed #1 on this team. He will not be undermined in preseason by a QB controversy. For better or worse...the Giants will ride into battle with Eli at the helm.
It's an on/off switch. Either he overcomes that and becomes a quality qb again, or he doesn't, in which case the 2014 Giants are doomed.
The team knows this. My guess is that he is already talking to a sports psychologist. If he isn't, then management is just stupid.
LOSING IS A DISEASE...
He is smart and may know McAdoo's offense by now, but
his throws are erratic and he really lacks mobility IMHO.
Adding logic to the discussion is kind of frowned on around here. Hyperbole seems to be what's called for...
No one will ever convince me of the opinion that a man who led two SB winning drives before nearly a billion people worldwide, is going to be intimidated or gunshy..
He needs lots of reps in this new O, so there's no telling when he'll become acclimated..But he's Eli..Least of my concerns
I'm not knocking the guy, he's been amazing for us but he looks cooked.
I'd be shocked if Eli's 'done'. I don't think he'll return to 2011 peak Eli, but the 2008-2010 variety (which was still very, very good) should return.
Libval joseph played all year with a torn labrum. Simms played with broken thumb and ribs. Tone of other players played through injury and doesn't come out till after the season. we all know manning came back suspiciously fast. the effects may be showing now. He will improve but too many times most posters here think that because a guy is playing he is " fine" many players play through pain and injury all year long. it's what they do.
Eli is older, slower , less acurate and it has looked like other QBs on the team are picking up the new schem faster. He had been throwing picks left and right in preseason. Noone wants to say it but the fact is he looks like he picked up where he left off.He looks like he's over the hill and in a decline.
That said he has shown more that once pity the poor fool who counts him out.He has balls brains and composure.6 weeks from now he can be playing like a totally different QB.Myself I think that's about how long it's gonna take.if the team can cover for him early on till he gets on track we may be allright.I think Eli has some issues we aren't aware of.
You then attack me as saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, because there was no running game.
On the first drive the running game put them at 3rd and 5. Eli couldn't convert a 5 yard throw, it was terrible. That's on him, not the O line, go rewatch the first 3 drives. I'm done.
Damn, have things really gotten so bad that a 2.5 YPC is something to give credit to the o-line for?
This offense is going to be brutal to watch to start the season. But it should get better when the OL gels and the skill positions get more confortable.
Win games ugly to start. Win them pretty to end the year.
We owe Eli for what he has done, he will do no more. Too many pieces missing, most of all a dominant defense.
My advice, don't talk shit, hope we can win the weakest division in football this year and make some noise in the playoffs, if we get to see Belichick/Brady again, we'll be fine.
Your Giant loyalty will be tested, respect Coughlin and Eli and bid them a fond farewell at the end of the year...