I rewatched the game : Thoughts on "Eli"

But if you think the Oline played well I have no idea what game you were watching.

Wow... I couldn't disagree more.

I rip Eli in my game review, but Eli was under pressure and/or hit on EVERY throw in his first two series.

that he fumbled..or the other perfectly placed ball that went through JJ's hands..?

Also while "you were rewatching" did you notice how the OL did as far as opening holes for the running game?

you completely miss the play where Pugh didn't pick up the blitzing linebacker and Eli was sacked? Wow. It's like you didn't even watch the game.

Like 11 guys all playing their own games

misremembering?

There's enough blame to go around.

Manning is having issues AND the OL sucks so far this preseason. You don't have to choose.

on the play where Eli threw the interception (bad decision on his part), Brandon Mosley was bull-rushed back into the pocket.

It was not the one that aired last night.

OL, Geoff Schwartz gave up two early pressures...he failed to pick up a stunt and he failed to pick up a blitz. Mosley gave up the bull rush I mentioned. Pugh gave up a sack.

In comment 11811778 Eric from BBI said:

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Wow... I couldn't disagree more. I rip Eli in my game review, but Eli was under pressure and/or hit on EVERY throw in his first two series.

When will the review be up, Eric?

and Pugh totally whiffed picking up DQwell Jackson on a sack however after that I felt he had time to throw. On the int he threw he had time and room to step up, but he made a lousy throw/decision. He also put other balls in harms way. Overall frankly to steal a Jerry Reese term he looked "skitish" like he's expecting pressure even when it's noth there. It's only pre-season so I'm not in all out panic mode, especially because O-lines need to develop chemistry but they need to get in sync.

Go back and watch the Eli pick. The initial quick surge by Mosley's opponent causes Mosley to be tossed backwards immediately. He recovers, but Eli obviously feels that pressure coming right up the gut.

my section this week - offense - is done. I'm just waiting for Connor to do the defense/special teams.

chucking the ball downfield like a rookie.. either take the sack or throw it OUT OF BOUNDS in the direction of the receiver..

no problem. Now he's not. It's cause for concern, but hopefully the more time the O-line gets together the more chemistry they develop. Maybe Eli gets his confidence back especially if ODB is a difference maker.

In comment 11811787 Eric from BBI said:

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OL, Geoff Schwartz gave up two early pressures...he failed to pick up a stunt and he failed to pick up a blitz. Mosley gave up the bull rush I mentioned. Pugh gave up a sack.

The bull rush on Mosley wasn't that bad, he recovered well from the initial surge. Eli still had space to move around.

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chucking the ball downfield like a rookie.. either take the sack or throw it OUT OF BOUNDS in the direction of the receiver..

That wouldn't work. People will bitch too. Warner did that. What was it? 39 sacks in 9 games or something? That was equally god awful to watch.

Agreed, but Eli is feeling that pressure. He's become gun shy. And if he can't get over it, he's done.

But there was pressure on that play. And there was pressure on every throw in the first two series.

In comment 11811821 Eric from BBI said:

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Agreed, but Eli is feeling that pressure. He's become gun shy. And if he can't get over it, he's done. But there was pressure on that play. And there was pressure on every throw in the first two series.

great. we now have a broken QB

quarterbacks last night. And this is not Eli bashing. He has been responsible for some of my most cherished moments I have had following this team since'63. However, the Giants got just as much early pressure on Luck as the Colts did on Eli. The difference is Luck can extend. And that is something I think McAdoo, who is a green OC, is going to have to comprehend. It's gotten worse as Eli has aged. You can't say he moves around well in the pocket or has a feel for it anymore. He can't get away from anybody. He's become a statue back there And his passes are lousy. He's lost arm strength as well as accuracy. On the pass down the sideline to Victor, which was a great pass, he had to crank it to get the ball that far downfield. Contrast with how easy Nassib's throwing motion is Said this before: McNabb was washed up at 33.

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quarterbacks last night. And this is not Eli bashing. He has been responsible for some of my most cherished moments I have had following this team since'63. However, the Giants got just as much early pressure on Luck as the Colts did on Eli. The difference is Luck can extend. And that is something I think McAdoo, who is a green OC, is going to have to comprehend. It's gotten worse as Eli has aged. You can't say he moves around well in the pocket or has a feel for it anymore. He can't get away from anybody. He's become a statue back there And his passes are lousy. He's lost arm strength as well as accuracy. On the pass down the sideline to Victor, which was a great pass, he had to crank it to get the ball that far downfield. Contrast with how easy Nassib's throwing motion is Said this before: McNabb was washed up at 33.

This could easily be correct. I think we'll know pretty quickly, but my guess is teams are going to come right after him this year, especially given our OL problems. Confused OL and a statute for a QB will make for a lot of sacks and hits.

In comment 11811839 RetroJint said:

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quarterbacks last night. And this is not Eli bashing. He has been responsible for some of my most cherished moments I have had following this team since'63. However, the Giants got just as much early pressure on Luck as the Colts did on Eli. The difference is Luck can extend. And that is something I think McAdoo, who is a green OC, is going to have to comprehend. It's gotten worse as Eli has aged. You can't say he moves around well in the pocket or has a feel for it anymore. He can't get away from anybody. He's become a statue back there And his passes are lousy. He's lost arm strength as well as accuracy. On the pass down the sideline to Victor, which was a great pass, he had to crank it to get the ball that far downfield. Contrast with how easy Nassib's throwing motion is Said this before: McNabb was washed up at 33.

His brother has better pocket awareness but he can't get away from anyone either and his arm strength isn't quite anything to write home about at this stage. He throws a ton of ducks. But he just broke records and seems to do alright.

I am NOT suggesting that Eli is Peyton or even close to it. But I don't think Eli's lack of elusiveness or perceived lack of arm strength are really the main issues. I think his mechanics still look off, personally. I don't think Eli is shot. I think what's going on his correctable and I think the OL needs to be quite a bit better.

other than Cruz. This is in addition to the offensive line issues. He can't trust Randle or Jernigan to be in the right place or to make plays on catchable balls. They are flat out unreliable and appear indifferent. The tight ends have been invisible and Eli still doesn't know if any of the backs can pick up a blitz. Lets hope Beckham can become "the guy" and that Harris and/or Paterson get a chance to contribute.

but I also think Eli's not handling pressure the way he used to, as others have posted...he used to be good at sidestepping the rush and getting a good ball out...haven't seen that lately.

I'm also worried he's still shell shocked from last year. And the throw to Cruz that got picked off (but nullified by a defensive penalty) was an awful throw. That was some Danny Kanel/Dave Brown shit right there

'I rip Eli in my game review, but Eli was under pressure and/or hit on EVERY throw in his first two series.'

I have to respectfully disagree. The first 3 drives the o line played well enough.

The pass to Donnell, the pressure was 5 yards away, and Eli threw a 5 yard crossing pass low and behind the tight end. Even the announcer confirmed that.

The Interception, the pocket was good enough to make the completion. Eli had time, he stepped up and didn't throw the ball far enough to the outside. That's on him or the wr, but you can't blame the oline for that.

The pass to Randle, the accuracy was bad.

Now to Eli's credit the throw to Cruz was fantastic and it was right no. But honestly there are way more that are off than are on.

The throw to Jernigan down the sideline was not in stride, he was way overthrown.

I'm not saying every throw has to be a perfect spiral but the ball needs to be placed better. It needs to be in thrown in stride so that yac can take place.

And skittish all preseason. Also agree his mechanics look terrible. Good news is he usually doesn't do too good in preseason even when he's went on to have strong seasons.

how after the stupidity of the initial post, the OP doesnt reappear.

Its clear he is a troll, and should be banned immediately.

thinks the OLine played well enough with the 1st team has a severe lack of understanding of the game.

We didnt run it a lick. He was pressured the majority of the time. And plays where he wasnt hit, the OL gets pushed back.

When he did make throws, Donnell doesnt turn quick enough, JJ drops a ball, Cruz drops a ball.

The INT was a bad decision since Cruz was not open. And the overthrow across the middle was the typical panic throw Eli chucks every now and then.

All three facets of the passing game. Throwing, blocking, and receiving is very, very poor now.

If you would be keeping up with the thread you would have seen that I did respond. I take offense at you calling me a troll when I've been a giants fan longer than probably you've been alive.

You then attack me as saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, because there was no running game.

On the first drive the running game put them at 3rd and 5. Eli couldn't convert a 5 yard throw, it was terrible. That's on him, not the O line, go rewatch the first 3 drives. I'm done.

last year fucked with Eli. Can't trust your Wrs. Can't trust your OL. So you try to make something happen and that means sometimes making bad decisions. So that results in INTs. And the time you can make a play, the WR goes opposite to where the ball is thrown resulting in an INT. So I am not surprised if Eli is gun shy or worse, broken.

if you havent noticed that, you're kidding yourself. i dont call that gun shy either, because he throws plenty of errant passes while pressured.

either he needs to hit the RB in space the instant he feels pressured, or he needs to throw it away. if our WRs are still heading out on long routes despite this OL then the OC needs to watch tape from 2013. the ball needs to be getting out in 2 seconds, no more. you can still throw a deep ball over the top if both you and the receiver are anticipating the play.

shit needs to happen, quick.

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If you would be keeping up with the thread you would have seen that I did respond. I take offense at you calling me a troll when I've been a giants fan longer than probably you've been alive. You then attack me as saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, because there was no running game. On the first drive the running game put them at 3rd and 5. Eli couldn't convert a 5 yard throw, it was terrible. That's on him, not the O line, go rewatch the first 3 drives. I'm done.

The running game got them to a 3rd and 5. A measely 2.5 YPC. Man, Jennings gonna be an MVP at that rate.

lf you look at the cruz reception
cruz has a couple of steps on his defender but the ball was not thrown far enough and cruz had to wait for the ball a bit - this gave his defender a chance to catch up and hit the ball out of his grasps.

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In comment 11811787 Eric from BBI said: Quote: OL, Geoff Schwartz gave up two early pressures...he failed to pick up a stunt and he failed to pick up a blitz. Mosley gave up the bull rush I mentioned. Pugh gave up a sack. The bull rush on Mosley wasn't that bad, he recovered well from the initial surge. Eli still had space to move around.

It's easier to side step the rush coming from outside the pocket than it is coming from inside the pocket.

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lf you look at the cruz reception cruz has a couple of steps on his defender but the ball was not thrown far enough and cruz had to wait for the ball a bit - this gave his defender a chance to catch up and hit the ball out of his grasps.

lol. Its going to be a long year here at BBI.

The entire "starting" offense right now sucks.

At best, you might be able to excuse Jennings (and shift some blame to the OL/TEs/FBs), but everyone else deserves to face concern/criticism -- that includes Eli, the OL, Cruz, Randle, etc.

back to last year(s), not just the pre-season, which often doesn't mean much in terms of what the real season brings.

The better quarterbacks elevate the play of the entire offense. Eli hasn't done this in a few years now.Matter of fact, he hasn't played well for a long time. I realize our problems on the line and skill positions but Eli has been awful. I hope he can turn it around but I doubt it at this stage of the game. He has led the league in int's the last two out of three years and throws way too many passes that are either inaccurate or to players who are covered.

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lf you look at the cruz reception cruz has a couple of steps on his defender but the ball was not thrown far enough and cruz had to wait for the ball a bit - this gave his defender a chance to catch up and hit the ball out of his grasps.

perfect ball. perfect catch. perfect fake / rollout - fuck off.

the ONLY problems i have with this play are that cruz fumbled, and 2 - the Giants cannot afford to be all about the deep ball. we know how those seasons end... and it aint pretty.

I couldn't help but think that first point about a good player making those around him better when watching last night, and seeing Nassib take control of the game and really make some great plays. He started getting players into a rhythm, guys like Robinson who has done squat but has been praised for his talents. His pocket presence looked poised even when it was about to collapse, something I haven't seen from Eli in a long time.

I hope Eli can turn it around, this is make it or break it year for him I think. I feel this team is still trying to ride on those past Super Bowl run type of molds in building this team, but those teams aged so quick and there is really a shell of that core of players left now. I don't know what will come of this season or the future, but I hope if it becomes apparent that Eli is indeed in decline, this franchise doesn't ride it out longer than it needs to be. When it's time to move on its time to move on, here's hoping that we have a few more good years left and Eli can take this team back to the playoffs.

all along beat. Painter and Nassib seemed to do a pretty good job at getting things going with the backups on the OL in the game. I'm no expert but I really liked what I saw from Nassib like everyone else last night. He dealt with the pressure pretty well and was mobile when needed.

I hope Eli straightens out his mechanics pretty quickly or as one poster said, he may be done sooner than later.

I said first two drives. First two drives, the pass protection was atrocious. Again, it's on the tape. He was pressured and/or hit on EVERY throw.

Third series, he had more time.

my game review write-up on Manning is going to make a lot of people upset. I'm very, very harsh on him and his future with this team.

But to say pass protection was not an issue in the game is outright not true.

The problem is Eli got rattled in 2013 and he remains rattled thus far in 2014. He may be done.

Hit the nail on the head.

But it's not a McAdoo issue. The difference that was obvious to see in Luck and Eli was the fact that Luck - who was under quite a bit of pressure - didn't panic. Eli panicked. Eli of 2007-2012 didn't panic. 2013 Eli panicked. And so far, 2014 Eli is panicking.

David Carr Syndrome.

but I think you're right. If that does happen, and they have him play out the year assuming he doesn't get killed in the process, what do you see happening next season? Would they give Nassib a shot or have Eli play his contract out?

after a season like 2013, wouldn't you expect him to panic? I think last season did a number on his confidence. Good or bad he has 2 years left on his deal which brings him to age 35. So that would be the ideal time to evaluate and cut bait if need be.

wait until my preview...it's not definitive that he is done, but we have to consider the option.

I saw this happen to Neil Lomax. LT basically wrecked him..

Eli is thinking more about the rush now than making the play. When that happens to a QB, he's toast.

Can he get out of this funk? I don't know. We still have the pieces on the OL to be solid there, but we can't afford anyone getting hurt.

In a nutshell, Eli has lost his mojo. They have to help him get it back.

If they have a bad season, Coughlin won't survive. Everything is fair game. Remember my Act III article from a couple of months ago?

Eric but I'll definitely look that up! Let's just hope this concern is all for not. Would be nice to see Eli play out the rest of his career as a Giant. I have faith in him and our coaching staff.

From early June.
Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning, Act III - ( New Window )

I am not sure toast, but he has lost his mojo. The state of the OL was bad last year. No TE, NO WRs, and all the Rbs seem to go down. Injuries happen sure, but Ross and Reese really messed up this team. That's on them.

I think the OL's running game will save Eli. If the OL can't run block, then Eli will be in trouble because everything will come down to his arm. That's when teams will blitz, and that's when things will get interesting.

However, I still remain calm, because I want to see this offense game plan. Let Ben M. meet with Eli throughout the year and add what he can do and has faith in and let him subtract things that may not work. I also think this adjustment and chemistry with the OL and Wrs won't happen right away. I expect this to continue first few games if not mid season.

It would be nice if Ross and Reese can add to this offense and draft well for once.

I agree, but don't forget that the tail end of 2012 he was playing the exact same way. The biggest problem with all of this was that Eli's best attribute was the ability to maintain composure despite bad plays or bad streaks. However, he's always struggled with stepping UP in the pocket. He's always had that habit of making those back foot throws that sail high in the face of pressure. When he would step up no one was better (i.e, 2011, 2010). Even if Eli is in fact "done", no one can complain about what he did for this team. I'm willing to go through the painful rebuilding process knowing this guy played his ass off during two super bowl runs. Not to mention, in the 33 years I've been watching this team, the NFC Champ game in 2007 was one of the best performances by an NFL QB I've ever seen. Let's hope we have something in the plan for the future and see how this plays out.

Expect Eli, TC and most of the front office to be gone including Reese. I truly believe that!

We'd totally retool and maybe our current OC becomes coach?

has to play a part in this. Hesitancy from a new offensive scheme is to be expected. I would expect this offense to look alot different in week 4.

that certainly is a possibility as well and I mention that in my review too.

and not just the new language/scheme, but the fact that everyone else hasn't gelled with him, the pass pro isn't what it will be, and the running game hasn't been consistent yet.

Yeah, but that wasn't just Eli. It's no coincidence that our talent was degrading too. This all is going on at the same time. That carried over into the 2013 preseason which was alarming to me. That 2012 showed me cracks, and 2013 preseason was god awful. It was like this preseason except we had the same goddamn system for 10 years. Then came the regular season offense which just broke.

This is a rebuilding effort. The issue is the coaching staff and Eli have 2 years left. How much of a rebuilding do we go before we say thanks Eli, but we will don't want to pay you anymore since you'll be 35 at the time. Same with the coaching staff.. If they get fired, that means a new system for Eli...again.

I believe we are on the cusp of major change. How we do will dictate how major. If could mean ripping everything and starting new, which would be the coaching staff since they have 2 years left and Eli.

In comment 11811798 Eric from BBI said:

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Go back and watch the Eli pick. The initial quick surge by Mosley's opponent causes Mosley to be tossed backwards immediately. He recovers, but Eli obviously feels that pressure coming right up the gut.

Sorry that is flat wrong. And sounds unreasonable. Defenders in the league get paid too and no QB should expect a guarantee set of free time on every throw. Papa and Banks both indicated he had plenty of time to throw and it was a poor decision on Eli's part.

What about that near INT, where even Eli pointed to himself. That was the OL's fault as well?

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I agree, but don't forget that the tail end of 2012 he was playing the exact same way. The biggest problem with all of this was that Eli's best attribute was the ability to maintain composure despite bad plays or bad streaks. However, he's always struggled with stepping UP in the pocket. He's always had that habit of making those back foot throws that sail high in the face of pressure. When he would step up no one was better (i.e, 2011, 2010). Even if Eli is in fact "done", no one can complain about what he did for this team. I'm willing to go through the painful rebuilding process knowing this guy played his ass off during two super bowl runs. Not to mention, in the 33 years I've been watching this team, the NFC Champ game in 2007 was one of the best performances by an NFL QB I've ever seen. Let's hope we have something in the plan for the future and see how this plays out.

the 2011 champ game was one of the greatest beatings ive ever seen a QB take.

The truth is that Reese and TC left Eli out to dry since 2012. Our drafting has been putrid and we're now paying that price.

He got hit on 2 of his first 3 drop backs. They couldn't remotely run the ball. It was a mess.

Throw to Jernigan was perfect. I could have caught that ball. Agree with others about poor blocking. Agree though that Manning had a bad game.
I said in an earlier thread I'm concerned about Eli. I stand on that comment

I fear that Eli has become shell-shocked, if you will, from last season. And the OL hasn't done much to inspire confidence that this season will be even better.

I hope guys like Washington and Harris can get time with Eli and Cruz.

The OL will need time to gel. But I don't think Randle should be a lock to be a starter opposite Cruz.

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my game review write-up on Manning is going to make a lot of people upset. I'm very, very harsh on him and his future with this team. But to say pass protection was not an issue in the game is outright not true. The problem is Eli got rattled in 2013 and he remains rattled thus far in 2014. He may be done.

Agreed. As I said elsewhere, the problems are everywhere on offense, but especially with the OL and Eli. The irony is that Eli might be the bigger problem. The problems with the OL might, might be mostly a function of a lack of chemistry. Only Beatty and Pugh remain from last year.

Eli does look rattled. He's thinking about the rush. Luck was totally opposite. So frankly was Nassib. Nassib got flattened on one play, and got right back up, and went right back at the Colts. He was also running for his life on a number of other plays.

It is just preseason, but this preseason has more importance given the season Eli had last year. I hate to think that your Neil Lomax comparison might be correct, but it easily could be. We'll know by Halloween at the latest IMO. Coughlin and Eli are probably both done with another bad year.

He is getting paid like an Elite QB....and has been no where close to that level for almost 2 years now.

At some point this is going to be a return on investment issue. If you can pay someone else less to do the same thing and spend the difference on players who can make the team better....It really becomes a no brainer. We will see how things play out....but if the Giants miss the playoffs I am not sure we will see Eli next year.

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He is getting paid like an Elite QB....and has been no where close to that level for almost 2 years now. At some point this is going to be a return on investment issue. If you can pay someone else less to do the same thing and spend the difference on players who can make the team better....It really becomes a no brainer. We will see how things play out....but if the Giants miss the playoffs I am not sure we will see Eli next year.

Eli is scheduled to make $17M next year. That won't happen unless there is a complete turnaround from last year, including a deep run into the playoffs.

year if they let Eli loose. That said...these threads in the middle of preseason are kind of pointless. We need to see what happens in the regular season. We will know by the bye week.

we saw last year. He doesn't have good footwork under his throws, he is feeling the pressure way too much and it shows in his continued rushed, inaccurate passes. He looks unsettled, and that was even apparent in the first two games when he barely threw at all.

Pressure is going to come. It doesn't matter who they play or whether we trade for 5 all-pro lineman...pressure is dialed up based on down & distances and situational football. If Eli can't handle it anymore than he is done.

Eli, TC & McAdoo are going to have to figure it out. They need to get Eli to change his bad habits and they are going to have to run plays that offer the best chance to keep the defense off balance. Right now, I see neither happening (albeit preseason).

Defenses are playing very aggressive vs Giants because its working. Either the Giants figure out how to expose that aggressiveness or they are just going to wear out Weatherford's leg...

To me, this is really about that more than anything. I think he's gun shy and I think he's so focused on feeling immediate pressure that his footwork and pocket movement are just going completely by the wayside.

The only way that's going to get fixed is if the line provides some decent protection and allows him to get it sorted out. There's no way he's going to fix any of this if he's got someone running free before he's even hit the back end of his drop.

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In comment 11812148 AnnapolisMike said: Quote: He is getting paid like an Elite QB....and has been no where close to that level for almost 2 years now. At some point this is going to be a return on investment issue. If you can pay someone else less to do the same thing and spend the difference on players who can make the team better....It really becomes a no brainer. We will see how things play out....but if the Giants miss the playoffs I am not sure we will see Eli next year. Eli is scheduled to make $17M next year. That won't happen unless there is a complete turnaround from last year, including a deep run into the playoffs.

So hypothetically, if Eli throws for 4,000 yards, 30 Tds, and 14 INTs but they fail to make the playoffs.... Eli wont be the starting QB?

it will b hard for fans to admit and even harder for coughlin to admit but eli is killing the giants right now. the offense is playing just like he is playing - non-competitive

make some plays

find completions

use your skill to get us going

there are plays to b made all over the field. the colts showed what an elite, hungry QB looks like. we all have our theories, mine is that eli got rich, fat and happy ($100+ million in the bank, 2 kids, 2 rings) and just lost his edge. He's also gonna b 34 in january. think its a combination of all those factors that makes it not much of a mystery what we're seeing now.

the QB is not simply along for the ride like an offensive guard. he makes it go. he spent his entire career avoiding trouble and making plays. its just not there anymore.

eli's quick demise (if thats indeed whats happened) would fall nicely in line with his entire giants career here. improbable, unexplainable and with many of his teammates falling off a cliff suddenly, without warning

area junc's post seals it. Eli's passing for 6,000 yards this season.

But the fact of the matter is Eli is playing shell shocked this year, and expecting to get hit. It's not a good thing and I am hoping A) That the line gels a bit and B) Eli gets over his skittishness.

Otherwise we are in for another long year. I think they'll get it together. I just hope we are able to win a few games while it happens.

I watched and saw: oline cant pick up blitzes..
eli got pushed around and knocked down.
was forcing throws and receivers werent looking....
cause eli threw to avoid sack...only good throw
was to cruz...a couple throws he had time and was
short and on too long....mcadoo mentioned having
eli throw the way his feet are pointed...?..I know
he has been playing with hi6z technic...rythm is off..
why 2nd and 3rd qbs have been playing better.is
strange...its like watching differant team...
I dont buy because they are playing lesser player..
against bills eli still struggled against bills 2nd team
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Harris and Washington with eli to see if its cruz and jj not
getting open

....Carolina 38 Giants 0.

I think whole 1st unit comes down to mind frame...starters casually
thinking I have 12 plays lets get out healthy...and eli thinking he has
to make few good plays is cursing him....2nd stringers playing
for job....human nature...

what part of my statement is wrong?

No chemistry between eli and 1st unit. Wrs..
nassib and painter got pressures but made plenty of passes..
ang guys got downfield..need to get some other guys
out there

Painter was 2-of-9 for 10 yards before his last drive.

is he has no confidence in his oline which causes him to have...

Eli is making a lot of money but no 3rd downs. It mostly seems to do with his accuracy combined with being pressured more on 3rds.

This will be an interesting week of practice. I think TC should put Nassib in with the ones and see if he moves the chains on 3rd. If he does, and Eli can't destroy the 2nd unit then this may be a Eli problem.

This reminds me a lot of what happened to Kurt Warner in St Louis. He did eventually get over it but it took a new team and a receiver he could just chuck it up to when in trouble(Larry Fitzgerald)

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This will be an interesting week of practice. I think TC should put Nassib in with the ones and see if he moves the chains on 3rd. If he does, and Eli can't destroy the 2nd unit then this may be a Eli problem.

Please no...Eli is the undisputed #1 on this team. He will not be undermined in preseason by a QB controversy. For better or worse...the Giants will ride into battle with Eli at the helm.

?

Eli looks as if he has the yips. Lack of confidence in what he can do feeding back into physical/technique problems.

It's an on/off switch. Either he overcomes that and becomes a quality qb again, or he doesn't, in which case the 2014 Giants are doomed.

The team knows this. My guess is that he is already talking to a sports psychologist. If he isn't, then management is just stupid.

LOSING IS A DISEASE...

I blame Eli and the o-line for his performance but I mostly blame Eli. The reality is that Eli may very well be on the decline. His inability or reluctance to move around in the pocket (which he did very well through 2008 - 2011) seems to be an issue here. Despite the pressure I expect Eli to hit open receivers when he does in fact have the time. He's missing badly. Maybe the light-bulb goes on soon and we see what Eli can do but I'm very concerned. We can spin it any way we want but really good QBs don't have the year that Eli had last year.

offense is very difficult for him to execute.

He is smart and may know McAdoo's offense by now, but

his throws are erratic and he really lacks mobility IMHO.

Eli for what he is at this stage of his career.

all the panic around here regarding Eli. If he's not scarred by 2013, he isn't human...add to that an entirely new offense with an entirely new Oline, etc...all starting from scratch basically and you have severe growing pains. This offense needed to be re-built from the ground up brick by brick...it's been all of a month (not counting the spring work)and people are honestly suggesting Eli is done?!?! If we see the same things happening come November I'll be concerned...right now, it's pretty much what I expected given all the new moving parts. NO QB can operate without confidence in himself, the system and the pieces around him. How in the world is Eli supposed to be confident in the latter two at this point? He'll get there....relax.

In comment 11812699 Wonderphil11 said:

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all the panic around here regarding Eli. If he's not scarred by 2013, he isn't human...add to that an entirely new offense with an entirely new Oline, etc...all starting from scratch basically and you have severe growing pains. This offense needed to be re-built from the ground up brick by brick...it's been all of a month (not counting the spring work)and people are honestly suggesting Eli is done?!?! If we see the same things happening come November I'll be concerned...right now, it's pretty much what I expected given all the new moving parts. NO QB can operate without confidence in himself, the system and the pieces around him. How in the world is Eli supposed to be confident in the latter two at this point? He'll get there....relax.

Adding logic to the discussion is kind of frowned on around here. Hyperbole seems to be what's called for...

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but his tireless quest to improve is his most important attribute, imv..

No one will ever convince me of the opinion that a man who led two SB winning drives before nearly a billion people worldwide, is going to be intimidated or gunshy..

He needs lots of reps in this new O, so there's no telling when he'll become acclimated..But he's Eli..Least of my concerns

Toward the end of last year and I was told it was ridiculous, he was too young, never injured, etc. He looks completely overwhelmed and sounds completely indifferent to it. He's got his dough, his rings, his family, his commercials, what's left to motivate him?

I'm not knocking the guy, he's been amazing for us but he looks cooked.

With moments of superb play that we've seen before, but even if he doesn't get gets another year IMO.

I'd be shocked if Eli's 'done'. I don't think he'll return to 2011 peak Eli, but the 2008-2010 variety (which was still very, very good) should return.

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was vintage Eli

I think his injury has had an effect on him. Just because he says it's fine, it's gone, poof, it just disappeared doesnt mean it has.

Libval joseph played all year with a torn labrum. Simms played with broken thumb and ribs. Tone of other players played through injury and doesn't come out till after the season. we all know manning came back suspiciously fast. the effects may be showing now. He will improve but too many times most posters here think that because a guy is playing he is " fine" many players play through pain and injury all year long. it's what they do.

Eli is older, slower , less acurate and it has looked like other QBs on the team are picking up the new schem faster. He had been throwing picks left and right in preseason. Noone wants to say it but the fact is he looks like he picked up where he left off.He looks like he's over the hill and in a decline.

That said he has shown more that once pity the poor fool who counts him out.He has balls brains and composure.6 weeks from now he can be playing like a totally different QB.Myself I think that's about how long it's gonna take.if the team can cover for him early on till he gets on track we may be allright.I think Eli has some issues we aren't aware of.

In comment 11811882 sxdxca said:

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If you would be keeping up with the thread you would have seen that I did respond. I take offense at you calling me a troll when I've been a giants fan longer than probably you've been alive. You then attack me as saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, because there was no running game. On the first drive the running game put them at 3rd and 5. Eli couldn't convert a 5 yard throw, it was terrible. That's on him, not the O line, go rewatch the first 3 drives. I'm done.

Damn, have things really gotten so bad that a 2.5 YPC is something to give credit to the o-line for?

is going to be fine. I hope all the negative ones remember this week once the season gets going. And if head to head the 11-5 two years in a row Colts look better for the moment, there are a lot of weaker teams to be played this year before week 9. So far our free agency, draft, and yes, even undrafted players are emerging and improving which speaks volumes for the future. And Giants are 3-0, glad we're not 0-3.

Because this isn't the real Eli. We hope.

I believe they will be..Their response? "I'm glad to be wrong."

He's 33, coming off an abysmal year with no OL, new system, no running game and no TE. He's not a young spry kid anymore, his bounce back is not guaranteed. It's hoped for, but nowhere near for sure.

early. Less risk throws. Field position. Take a chance when it is there.

This offense is going to be brutal to watch to start the season. But it should get better when the OL gels and the skill positions get more confortable.

Win games ugly to start. Win them pretty to end the year.

As a veteran who lived through the seventies:
We owe Eli for what he has done, he will do no more. Too many pieces missing, most of all a dominant defense.

My advice, don't talk shit, hope we can win the weakest division in football this year and make some noise in the playoffs, if we get to see Belichick/Brady again, we'll be fine.

Your Giant loyalty will be tested, respect Coughlin and Eli and bid them a fond farewell at the end of the year...