I rewatched the game : Thoughts on "Eli"

But if you think the Oline played well I have no idea what game you were watching.

Wow... I couldn't disagree more.

I rip Eli in my game review, but Eli was under pressure and/or hit on EVERY throw in his first two series.

that he fumbled..or the other perfectly placed ball that went through JJ's hands..?

Also while "you were rewatching" did you notice how the OL did as far as opening holes for the running game?

you completely miss the play where Pugh didn't pick up the blitzing linebacker and Eli was sacked? Wow. It's like you didn't even watch the game.

Like 11 guys all playing their own games

misremembering?

There's enough blame to go around.

Manning is having issues AND the OL sucks so far this preseason. You don't have to choose.

on the play where Eli threw the interception (bad decision on his part), Brandon Mosley was bull-rushed back into the pocket.

It was not the one that aired last night.

OL, Geoff Schwartz gave up two early pressures...he failed to pick up a stunt and he failed to pick up a blitz. Mosley gave up the bull rush I mentioned. Pugh gave up a sack.

In comment 11811778 Eric from BBI said:

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Wow... I couldn't disagree more. I rip Eli in my game review, but Eli was under pressure and/or hit on EVERY throw in his first two series.

When will the review be up, Eric?

and Pugh totally whiffed picking up DQwell Jackson on a sack however after that I felt he had time to throw. On the int he threw he had time and room to step up, but he made a lousy throw/decision. He also put other balls in harms way. Overall frankly to steal a Jerry Reese term he looked "skitish" like he's expecting pressure even when it's noth there. It's only pre-season so I'm not in all out panic mode, especially because O-lines need to develop chemistry but they need to get in sync.

Go back and watch the Eli pick. The initial quick surge by Mosley's opponent causes Mosley to be tossed backwards immediately. He recovers, but Eli obviously feels that pressure coming right up the gut.

my section this week - offense - is done. I'm just waiting for Connor to do the defense/special teams.

chucking the ball downfield like a rookie.. either take the sack or throw it OUT OF BOUNDS in the direction of the receiver..

no problem. Now he's not. It's cause for concern, but hopefully the more time the O-line gets together the more chemistry they develop. Maybe Eli gets his confidence back especially if ODB is a difference maker.

In comment 11811787 Eric from BBI said:

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OL, Geoff Schwartz gave up two early pressures...he failed to pick up a stunt and he failed to pick up a blitz. Mosley gave up the bull rush I mentioned. Pugh gave up a sack.

The bull rush on Mosley wasn't that bad, he recovered well from the initial surge. Eli still had space to move around.

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chucking the ball downfield like a rookie.. either take the sack or throw it OUT OF BOUNDS in the direction of the receiver..

That wouldn't work. People will bitch too. Warner did that. What was it? 39 sacks in 9 games or something? That was equally god awful to watch.

Agreed, but Eli is feeling that pressure. He's become gun shy. And if he can't get over it, he's done.

But there was pressure on that play. And there was pressure on every throw in the first two series.

In comment 11811821 Eric from BBI said:

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Agreed, but Eli is feeling that pressure. He's become gun shy. And if he can't get over it, he's done. But there was pressure on that play. And there was pressure on every throw in the first two series.

great. we now have a broken QB

quarterbacks last night. And this is not Eli bashing. He has been responsible for some of my most cherished moments I have had following this team since'63. However, the Giants got just as much early pressure on Luck as the Colts did on Eli. The difference is Luck can extend. And that is something I think McAdoo, who is a green OC, is going to have to comprehend. It's gotten worse as Eli has aged. You can't say he moves around well in the pocket or has a feel for it anymore. He can't get away from anybody. He's become a statue back there And his passes are lousy. He's lost arm strength as well as accuracy. On the pass down the sideline to Victor, which was a great pass, he had to crank it to get the ball that far downfield. Contrast with how easy Nassib's throwing motion is Said this before: McNabb was washed up at 33.

In comment 11811839 RetroJint said:

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quarterbacks last night. And this is not Eli bashing. He has been responsible for some of my most cherished moments I have had following this team since'63. However, the Giants got just as much early pressure on Luck as the Colts did on Eli. The difference is Luck can extend. And that is something I think McAdoo, who is a green OC, is going to have to comprehend. It's gotten worse as Eli has aged. You can't say he moves around well in the pocket or has a feel for it anymore. He can't get away from anybody. He's become a statue back there And his passes are lousy. He's lost arm strength as well as accuracy. On the pass down the sideline to Victor, which was a great pass, he had to crank it to get the ball that far downfield. Contrast with how easy Nassib's throwing motion is Said this before: McNabb was washed up at 33.

This could easily be correct. I think we'll know pretty quickly, but my guess is teams are going to come right after him this year, especially given our OL problems. Confused OL and a statute for a QB will make for a lot of sacks and hits.

In comment 11811839 RetroJint said:

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quarterbacks last night. And this is not Eli bashing. He has been responsible for some of my most cherished moments I have had following this team since'63. However, the Giants got just as much early pressure on Luck as the Colts did on Eli. The difference is Luck can extend. And that is something I think McAdoo, who is a green OC, is going to have to comprehend. It's gotten worse as Eli has aged. You can't say he moves around well in the pocket or has a feel for it anymore. He can't get away from anybody. He's become a statue back there And his passes are lousy. He's lost arm strength as well as accuracy. On the pass down the sideline to Victor, which was a great pass, he had to crank it to get the ball that far downfield. Contrast with how easy Nassib's throwing motion is Said this before: McNabb was washed up at 33.

His brother has better pocket awareness but he can't get away from anyone either and his arm strength isn't quite anything to write home about at this stage. He throws a ton of ducks. But he just broke records and seems to do alright.

I am NOT suggesting that Eli is Peyton or even close to it. But I don't think Eli's lack of elusiveness or perceived lack of arm strength are really the main issues. I think his mechanics still look off, personally. I don't think Eli is shot. I think what's going on his correctable and I think the OL needs to be quite a bit better.

other than Cruz. This is in addition to the offensive line issues. He can't trust Randle or Jernigan to be in the right place or to make plays on catchable balls. They are flat out unreliable and appear indifferent. The tight ends have been invisible and Eli still doesn't know if any of the backs can pick up a blitz. Lets hope Beckham can become "the guy" and that Harris and/or Paterson get a chance to contribute.

but I also think Eli's not handling pressure the way he used to, as others have posted...he used to be good at sidestepping the rush and getting a good ball out...haven't seen that lately.

I'm also worried he's still shell shocked from last year. And the throw to Cruz that got picked off (but nullified by a defensive penalty) was an awful throw. That was some Danny Kanel/Dave Brown shit right there

'I rip Eli in my game review, but Eli was under pressure and/or hit on EVERY throw in his first two series.'

I have to respectfully disagree. The first 3 drives the o line played well enough.

The pass to Donnell, the pressure was 5 yards away, and Eli threw a 5 yard crossing pass low and behind the tight end. Even the announcer confirmed that.

The Interception, the pocket was good enough to make the completion. Eli had time, he stepped up and didn't throw the ball far enough to the outside. That's on him or the wr, but you can't blame the oline for that.

The pass to Randle, the accuracy was bad.

Now to Eli's credit the throw to Cruz was fantastic and it was right no. But honestly there are way more that are off than are on.

The throw to Jernigan down the sideline was not in stride, he was way overthrown.

I'm not saying every throw has to be a perfect spiral but the ball needs to be placed better. It needs to be in thrown in stride so that yac can take place.

And skittish all preseason. Also agree his mechanics look terrible. Good news is he usually doesn't do too good in preseason even when he's went on to have strong seasons.

how after the stupidity of the initial post, the OP doesnt reappear.

Its clear he is a troll, and should be banned immediately.

thinks the OLine played well enough with the 1st team has a severe lack of understanding of the game.

We didnt run it a lick. He was pressured the majority of the time. And plays where he wasnt hit, the OL gets pushed back.

When he did make throws, Donnell doesnt turn quick enough, JJ drops a ball, Cruz drops a ball.

The INT was a bad decision since Cruz was not open. And the overthrow across the middle was the typical panic throw Eli chucks every now and then.

All three facets of the passing game. Throwing, blocking, and receiving is very, very poor now.

If you would be keeping up with the thread you would have seen that I did respond. I take offense at you calling me a troll when I've been a giants fan longer than probably you've been alive.

You then attack me as saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, because there was no running game.

On the first drive the running game put them at 3rd and 5. Eli couldn't convert a 5 yard throw, it was terrible. That's on him, not the O line, go rewatch the first 3 drives. I'm done.

last year fucked with Eli. Can't trust your Wrs. Can't trust your OL. So you try to make something happen and that means sometimes making bad decisions. So that results in INTs. And the time you can make a play, the WR goes opposite to where the ball is thrown resulting in an INT. So I am not surprised if Eli is gun shy or worse, broken.

if you havent noticed that, you're kidding yourself. i dont call that gun shy either, because he throws plenty of errant passes while pressured.

either he needs to hit the RB in space the instant he feels pressured, or he needs to throw it away. if our WRs are still heading out on long routes despite this OL then the OC needs to watch tape from 2013. the ball needs to be getting out in 2 seconds, no more. you can still throw a deep ball over the top if both you and the receiver are anticipating the play.

shit needs to happen, quick.

In comment 11811882 sxdxca said:

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If you would be keeping up with the thread you would have seen that I did respond. I take offense at you calling me a troll when I've been a giants fan longer than probably you've been alive. You then attack me as saying that I don't know what I'm talking about, because there was no running game. On the first drive the running game put them at 3rd and 5. Eli couldn't convert a 5 yard throw, it was terrible. That's on him, not the O line, go rewatch the first 3 drives. I'm done.

The running game got them to a 3rd and 5. A measely 2.5 YPC. Man, Jennings gonna be an MVP at that rate.

lf you look at the cruz reception
cruz has a couple of steps on his defender but the ball was not thrown far enough and cruz had to wait for the ball a bit - this gave his defender a chance to catch up and hit the ball out of his grasps.

In comment 11811812 ImaGiant86 said:

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In comment 11811787 Eric from BBI said: Quote: OL, Geoff Schwartz gave up two early pressures...he failed to pick up a stunt and he failed to pick up a blitz. Mosley gave up the bull rush I mentioned. Pugh gave up a sack. The bull rush on Mosley wasn't that bad, he recovered well from the initial surge. Eli still had space to move around.

It's easier to side step the rush coming from outside the pocket than it is coming from inside the pocket.

In comment 11811892 giantfanboy said:

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lf you look at the cruz reception cruz has a couple of steps on his defender but the ball was not thrown far enough and cruz had to wait for the ball a bit - this gave his defender a chance to catch up and hit the ball out of his grasps.

lol. Its going to be a long year here at BBI.

The entire "starting" offense right now sucks.

At best, you might be able to excuse Jennings (and shift some blame to the OL/TEs/FBs), but everyone else deserves to face concern/criticism -- that includes Eli, the OL, Cruz, Randle, etc.

back to last year(s), not just the pre-season, which often doesn't mean much in terms of what the real season brings.

The better quarterbacks elevate the play of the entire offense. Eli hasn't done this in a few years now.Matter of fact, he hasn't played well for a long time. I realize our problems on the line and skill positions but Eli has been awful. I hope he can turn it around but I doubt it at this stage of the game. He has led the league in int's the last two out of three years and throws way too many passes that are either inaccurate or to players who are covered.

In comment 11811892 giantfanboy said:

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lf you look at the cruz reception cruz has a couple of steps on his defender but the ball was not thrown far enough and cruz had to wait for the ball a bit - this gave his defender a chance to catch up and hit the ball out of his grasps.

perfect ball. perfect catch. perfect fake / rollout - fuck off.

the ONLY problems i have with this play are that cruz fumbled, and 2 - the Giants cannot afford to be all about the deep ball. we know how those seasons end... and it aint pretty.

I couldn't help but think that first point about a good player making those around him better when watching last night, and seeing Nassib take control of the game and really make some great plays. He started getting players into a rhythm, guys like Robinson who has done squat but has been praised for his talents. His pocket presence looked poised even when it was about to collapse, something I haven't seen from Eli in a long time.

I hope Eli can turn it around, this is make it or break it year for him I think. I feel this team is still trying to ride on those past Super Bowl run type of molds in building this team, but those teams aged so quick and there is really a shell of that core of players left now. I don't know what will come of this season or the future, but I hope if it becomes apparent that Eli is indeed in decline, this franchise doesn't ride it out longer than it needs to be. When it's time to move on its time to move on, here's hoping that we have a few more good years left and Eli can take this team back to the playoffs.

all along beat. Painter and Nassib seemed to do a pretty good job at getting things going with the backups on the OL in the game. I'm no expert but I really liked what I saw from Nassib like everyone else last night. He dealt with the pressure pretty well and was mobile when needed.

I hope Eli straightens out his mechanics pretty quickly or as one poster said, he may be done sooner than later.

I said first two drives. First two drives, the pass protection was atrocious. Again, it's on the tape. He was pressured and/or hit on EVERY throw.

Third series, he had more time.

my game review write-up on Manning is going to make a lot of people upset. I'm very, very harsh on him and his future with this team.

But to say pass protection was not an issue in the game is outright not true.

The problem is Eli got rattled in 2013 and he remains rattled thus far in 2014. He may be done.

Hit the nail on the head.

But it's not a McAdoo issue. The difference that was obvious to see in Luck and Eli was the fact that Luck - who was under quite a bit of pressure - didn't panic. Eli panicked. Eli of 2007-2012 didn't panic. 2013 Eli panicked. And so far, 2014 Eli is panicking.

David Carr Syndrome.

but I think you're right. If that does happen, and they have him play out the year assuming he doesn't get killed in the process, what do you see happening next season? Would they give Nassib a shot or have Eli play his contract out?

after a season like 2013, wouldn't you expect him to panic? I think last season did a number on his confidence. Good or bad he has 2 years left on his deal which brings him to age 35. So that would be the ideal time to evaluate and cut bait if need be.

wait until my preview...it's not definitive that he is done, but we have to consider the option.

I saw this happen to Neil Lomax. LT basically wrecked him..

Eli is thinking more about the rush now than making the play. When that happens to a QB, he's toast.

Can he get out of this funk? I don't know. We still have the pieces on the OL to be solid there, but we can't afford anyone getting hurt.

In a nutshell, Eli has lost his mojo. They have to help him get it back.

If they have a bad season, Coughlin won't survive. Everything is fair game. Remember my Act III article from a couple of months ago?