Does acquiring Boone seem more important now?

This team needs a whole lot and every pick is crucial the next couple years. I would offer a 5th this year and take it from there. But no way, more than one pick.

with Schwartz.

That's probably a pipe dream though. I think depending on how the starting offense looks in the next game, it's definitely under serious consideration. This OL needs help still, I just think that someone out of Jerry, Or Richburg is capable of handling guard duties.

tackle as well as guard

so based on one half of another putrid preseason game you're going to focus on what may have been his worst performance since early last REGULAR season and translate that to mean he's "struggling"? Wonderful. Do we not have at least one lineman worth a damn? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that every single one of our lineman is unworthy of an NFL starting job.

Fundamentally, giving up draft resources for the right to pay a veteran what he wants to be paid is a dumb move for an NFL franchise. It's excusable if it gets you something that is impossible to find on the open market (i.e., a star performer at QB/DE/LOT/WR/CB), or if the team is a contender "one player away" from a strong shot at a championship. But Boone ain't that kind of player and the Giants ain't that kind of team right now.

If Schwartz sucks and Pugh struggles all year like they did in Indy, the season is probably a wash anyway. If that's the case, acquiring Boone ain't gonna change that.

Too expensive. One player isn't going to fix the OL. It may just need more time to coalesce, and develop some chemistry. Although one does hope that happens before Eli ends up in the hospital. We also have no TEs, questionable blocking by some RBs, and questions at WR.

better than what we have on the roster right now? Plus, not too mention, we have a rookie 2nd round pick who with a little time, can end up being a better player than Boone.

Considered a powerful presence at guard and he played LT all through college. I think the line will improve the longeR they play together but our depth is awful at tackle and we need an upgrade over Mosely.

Richburg a chance to play. I'd like to see him at LG and Schwartz go to his more natural (IM0) RG position.

the 2014 New York Giants are not one player away from turning this around.

Reese has fucked up 5 drafts.

We need a lot of help.

Reese is gonna use those picks for either some mental midget or an injury-prone has-been/never-was...either way, the minute Boone puts on a NY helmet, he'll get injured too.

In comment 11812004 Eric from BBI said:

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the 2014 New York Giants are not one player away from turning this around. Reese has fucked up 5 drafts. We need a lot of help.

Ouch. The bitter truth right there.

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In comment 11812004 Eric from BBI said: Quote: the 2014 New York Giants are not one player away from turning this around. Reese has fucked up 5 drafts. We need a lot of help. Ouch. The bitter truth right there.

I think Reese and Ross need to go..too many gambles trying to hit home runs on athleticism and not enough emphasis on production.

And too many risks on questionable character players thinking they have the right system and team in place to keep them in check and IGNORE the fact its usually the OFF season when these guys have issues..

That combined with some of the freak injuries that ended careers early Kenny Phillips.. Steve Smith.. Chad Jones.. David Wilson.. Clint Sintim to name a few.. have really crippled this team talent wise..

I thought last year's draft was fine. And we did win it all in 2011.

Look at the drafts from 2008-2012...

Some of this is bad luck...but a lot of it isn't.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/draft.htm - ( New Window )

This team won the 2011 SB because we got hot & healthy at the right time and with a lot of Accorsi's guys still playing.

Now the 2013 draft looks decent so far. I also like our 2014 draft though it is way early.

Overall, Reese has done well in deciding what free agents to keep and who to pick.

Bottom line is if this team tanks this year this regime is gone. I truly believe that.

of the bad drafting is just weird stuff... i.e., the downfall of Nicks... the car accident to Jones... Wilson's neck injury... Phillips' knee injury... etc. But there are a TON of blown picks in the mid rounds.

That happens to all teams, but five in a row?

In comment 11812040 Eric from BBI said:

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of the bad drafting is just weird stuff... i.e., the downfall of Nicks... the car accident to Jones... Wilson's neck injury... Phillips' knee injury... etc. But there are a TON of blown picks in the mid rounds. That happens to all teams, but five in a row?

Eric, I agree. And the Giants are a "wealthy" team with plenty of scouting money I am sure. So what is up? The only logical conclusion I can come to is that a Mindset is in place that needs to be erased! Chiefly, get players with production not reaches.

Seems premature to make that kind of statement. Besides, if you get a couple starters from a draft then you've done alright.

The 2013 draft seems pretty solid. Pugh, Hankins, Moore and Nassib may not be a bad haul although that's yet to be seen.

2012 not as good but again, depends on what Randle, Robinson and Mosley do.

2011 you get two eventual starters who also assist us in winning a SB in Prince and Jacquian Williams. And this year we find out what we have with Jernigan and Brewer.

2010 gave us one Pro Bowl player in JPP and a solid starter in Joseph. The rest were washouts.

The 2009 draft class sucked across the board. And 2008 was a pretty decent draft. Five lousy drafts? I don't agree and I also like this year's draft class. I think this season tells us a lot.

a third round pick for him.

Reese doesnt do well with them anyways

Drafts have been poor. Reese has gambled a lot. He has ignored the LB position for awhile now, passed up on some really good LB prospects in the past. A lot of experimenting if you ask me..

In comment 11812040 Eric from BBI said:

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of the bad drafting is just weird stuff... i.e., the downfall of Nicks... the car accident to Jones... Wilson's neck injury... Phillips' knee injury... etc. But there are a TON of blown picks in the mid rounds. That happens to all teams, but five in a row?

it's not weird. This is called a track record. And our track record post- Accorsi has been downright miserable.

We draft out of failure and not prevention. The only top picks that were true BPA were JPP and Prince. It shouldnt be any coincidence that everyone else has been putrid or no longer with the team.

and point to Reese and co. How are you judging the drafts? If you are judging Reese then I think you look first at how many of those players have shown they could play as starting caliber players in this league. Whatever happens in their careers after the draft that is beyond Reeses control cannot be used to criticize Reese. To me the most important picks are the first and second rounders, and I thought he had a stretch run there of good selections. They either demonstrated they could play at a high level in this league or they did not, and from 2008-2010 I thought his first and second rounders were hits(save sintim). 2011 looks bad, Prince has been slow to bloom and Austin was a train wreck. 2012 does not look great,but Wilsons ultimate fate cannot be pinned on Reese. I like the top 3 picks from 2013, and the early reviews on Richburgh and Bromley are encouraging, Beckham remains an extraorinarily important pick for the future of Reese and co. I agree it would be nice to hit on some middle round starters some more and that his middle rounders have been weak, but the odds on hitting in those rounds are much lower, which always led me to really focus on his ability go use those first and second round picks. Also, it should be mentioned that two of the drafts being complained about came after superbowl victories where the Giants ended the round(Phillips\Wilson).

We'd love if one of the Giants' 3rd or 4th round draft picks turned into a quality starting O-line. So, why not just give one up for a guaranteed quality starter?

And the sample size, even over a span of several years, is quite small.

Judge on process, not results.

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the 2014 New York Giants are not one player away from turning this around. Reese has fucked up 5 drafts. We need a lot of help.

"AMEN"

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In comment 11812040 Eric from BBI said: Quote: of the bad drafting is just weird stuff... i.e., the downfall of Nicks... the car accident to Jones... Wilson's neck injury... Phillips' knee injury... etc. But there are a TON of blown picks in the mid rounds. That happens to all teams, but five in a row? it's not weird. This is called a track record. And our track record post- Accorsi has been downright miserable. We draft out of failure and not prevention. The only top picks that were true BPA were JPP and Prince. It shouldnt be any coincidence that everyone else has been putrid or no longer with the team.

Exactly and the FA acquisitions have been just as bad. Not to mention his hire of Ross.

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tackle as well as guard

He can.

Oh. Wait.

In comment 11812004 Eric from BBI said:

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the 2014 New York Giants are not one player away from turning this around. Reese has fucked up 5 drafts. We need a lot of help.

No, we're not one player away but why not give up a 3rd and a 4th for an established guy when you've fucked up 5 drafts in a row AND you have some cap space?

The Gmen are in rebuild mode. No need to mortgage the future.

No one knows what we have right now. Best to keep future assets unless this guy just fits us perfectly. Not sure that's the case. Last year's tackles are back, but the guards and center are new guys just learning to play together.

Another new guy, who comes at a cost doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

in addition to blocking, he could throw, run the ball and catch passes. And maybe play specials too.

Then I am all in...

and having the Giants in deep trouble. I'm glad you stated your feelings so definitively Eric, now. I can save time by not reading them. I like going into each game with the mindset the Giants will win. As a fan I don't need to be
given a reality check. I look forward to Sunday's for enjoyment and diversion.

I doubt they'd trade a starting OL. They'll pay him.

on the 2013 draft and this year's. They might end up getting quite a bit of mileage from Pugh, Hankins, Moore and Taylor (although Taylor has a nasty foot injury now). 2014 might similarly end up fine: Beckham, Westburg, Bromley, and Williams could end up solid. Shoot, it's already looking like Williams might end up being a steal.

That being said, earlier drafts have left lots of holes. Personally, I don't believe the LB situation is not going to be our glaring issue. Obviously it's he OL was neglected far too long. Everything starts in the trenches on offense, and that is something Reese seems to have forgotten.

Now Reese and Ross both need to be fired? It's the preseason, relax! The line needs to gel, it doesn't happen overnight. It's a new O, that doesn't all come together overnight. This is what the preseason is for. How about we wait to see the finished season product before making stupid, reactionary comments?

from being a contending team, it doesn't make a ton of sense to spend the draft pick and hand the player a big extension right now, especially if he's an OG. He'll be looking for OT money, and it doesn't make a lot of sense for this team as currently constructed.

Bring back Ernie!
That seems to be what the people want.

the logic behind the picks is weird too.....sintim, wilson over glenn, hosley, etc.

trading up for guys like kehl and barden. demonstrates some incompetence imo, which is scary. u at least want the picks to make sense

His 1998-2002 drafts were every bit as bad as what Reese has been doing.

Yet together they built teams that won two super bowls.

I'm thinking that the Giants have drafted to league average or better and that fans just have impossible expectations with regard to success rate.

Marc Ross sucks at his job. Since 1998, the Giants' drafts have largely stunk except for 2003-07. What was different then? Jerry Reese was their scouting director then. Accorsi's drafts were awful with Sunderland and very good with Reese, and Reese's drafts have been terrible with Ross.

had a ton to do with winning the '07 SB, as well as Reese's first draft class. EA's drafting leading up to it was probably in the area of average, at best. EA's drafts were typically not impressive. Thinking otherwise would be largely revisionist, imo.

Eli, Cruz, and JPP getting white hot, and the remaining core, had a lot to do with winning the '11 SB, in an era where there's a much smaller difference between the #6 seed and #1 seed.

They got some excellent players from the 2003-07 drafts: Eli (much as I dislike Ernie, that one was all him), Osi, Snee, Webster, Jacobs, Bradshaw. The 2007 team still got contributions from a couple of old GY picks too (Strahan and Toomer).

This is just guessing on my part, but I think building that great OL with unheralded players like Seubert, O'Hara and Diehl went to Reese's head and he assumed he could just keep retooling the OL with low draft picks and unwanted FAs. That hasn't worked at all. The one high pick they spent on an offensive lineman was Beatty and he hasn't really worked out, and none of their mid-low round OLs have been worth a damn.

You hit the key piece, Reese was the scouting director during those years. EA clearly had an affect, but his role was the top-down architect, and his UFA hits were really effective.

I suppose it could be said the drafting since 2008 would have fared better on the whole had we not lost so many to career-ending injuries, but it seems clear our drafting has declined since Reese was promoted and Ross took his place in the scouting dept.

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of the bad drafting is just weird stuff... i.e., the downfall of Nicks... the car accident to Jones... Wilson's neck injury... Phillips' knee injury... etc. But there are a TON of blown picks in the mid rounds. That happens to all teams, but five in a row?

Reese has a penchant for picking WRs high. That's his biggest problem in the draft IMO. Since most aren't on the team anymore thats an issue. Wasted resources if only one or two hit or you have to let them go because you can't pay one position to $$$ to all this players.

All Rd 3 or Higher in 8 years

Steve Smith,Mario Manningham, Nicks, Jernigan, Randell, Barden, Beckum, ODB Jr.

That's one a year in the top three rounds. Who is left? Rabdel, JJ, and this years first rounder OBJR

JJ shouldn't make it out of camp. Randle still seems a mystery still despite some stats last year.

Wasted resources since higher picks get more opportunities and can get more time and pad their stats a bits which may actually inflate their value. They also generally want a higher value contract round two.

Add to that he's only drafted 3 OL in the top 3 rounds in that 8 years. PLEASE do not tell me we didn't need to build depth and competition there until the last two years. He had to take Pugh and Richberg. Not bad picks but in 8 years the difference is obvious here he puts his resources. Beatty is a major source of contention here so its also not like he's a guy one can point to as a great pick between what he costs and his 2013 year.

Pugh looked pretty good last year but how can anyone assume he's a lock to be a long term starter in the NFL. Shit JPP is a question mark to be resigned and he looked all world early on, not just solid.

Reese has pissed away a lot of picks and compounded that with trying to plug holes with Baas, Boothe, and now Schwartz and Walton.. Boothe was solid, Baas was a mess w his injuries. They are now putting Schwartz in a position he's never played and Walton is coming of of a long spell of inactivity.

Anyone who can look at Reese's drafts and his shit record for the OL and keep making excuses is viewing on to a past that's not quite in evidence.

We all hope this OL comes together but its not looking promising. We may not have one guy on the whole Roster who is top 10 at his position. Maybe Pugh? Sorry but its still too soon to just hand him that.

Reese owns this but his big fans her just repeat the unfounded mantra that he was the GM who built the rosters of the two SB teams. Yes he was a big part of the process but so were a lot of other people, namely Accorsi who was actually the GM when most of the team was brought in.

And no, Reese couldn't have predicted that Wilson would turn out to have stenosis, but that change would have made a big difference.

I was told he would've been pick had there not been questions regarding his work ethic, NYG really liked his game.

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Too expensive. One player isn't going to fix the OL. It may just need more time to coalesce, and develop some chemistry. Although one does hope that happens before Eli ends up in the hospital. We also have no TEs, questionable blocking by some RBs, and questions at WR.

Agree (about expensive), disagree about one player fixing the line.....Boone would be a huge upgrade and get us one step closer to having a bonafide line.