He was not a "gentle giant", he was not "unarmed"...at his size and weight, he is a weapon and beat the police officer to a point where he had no choice but to defend himself and shoot the attacking thug. He wasn't an innocent "teen", he was an adult (at 18 years of age) and responsible for his actions and suffered the consequences of them.
You don't attack a police officer and you certainly don't try to take his firearm. The police officer did his job and did it well. Thug broke police officer's eye socket - ( New Window )
The Gateway Pundit? Yeah, ok. That's all I need to know about your stupid ass.
RE: Didn't the officer turn around in the first place Â
because he had just heard of the robbery and MB matched the description of the suspect? That would suggest that the clerk actually did call the authorities.
No he stopped them for jay walking in the middle of the road. The police stated he had no knowledge of the robbery call at the time
but I know someone who got hit in the face, didn't go to the doctor, and a week later it was still swollen so he went and got an xray and he had an orbital fracture.
but I know someone who got hit in the face, didn't go to the doctor, and a week later it was still swollen so he went and got an xray and he had an orbital fracture.
It may be he does have one, but this site would not be the first one that info would go to
whatever the truth is ....should come out. I did hear that woman calling into Dana Loesch's radio show and say that the officer did indeed learn about the robbery after he stopped the men for jaywalking Link - ( New Window )
RE: derpaderp going for that 'bbi's retard' number one contender spot Â
all the answers we need. I'll reserve my judgment till then . . . although so far it's not looking good for the cop. Don't know if there exists an account from a on-scene witness to verify his story yet.
all the answers we need. I'll reserve my judgment till then . . . although so far it's not looking good for the cop. Don't know if there exists an account from a on-scene witness to verify his story yet.
Just curious, how do you see it not looking good for the cop? I saw the autopsy doctor on tv last night. Could be shots could be from 2-35 feet away, arms could have been up or down, head shot could be from the victim staggering or charging.... Except for the fact that the shots came from the front and not the back, it didn't really tell us that much, at least not conclusively.
That interview with the police chief occured on Wednesday, four days after the shooting. Guess Wilson hadn't had a chance to drop by the emergency room by then.
He may have still been in the waiting room on Wednesday. Not the place to go for quick treatment these days.
RE: RE: Autopsy and forensic evidence will give us Â
all the answers we need. I'll reserve my judgment till then . . . although so far it's not looking good for the cop. Don't know if there exists an account from a on-scene witness to verify his story yet.
Just curious, how do you see it not looking good for the cop? I saw the autopsy doctor on tv last night. Could be shots could be from 2-35 feet away, arms could have been up or down, head shot could be from the victim staggering or charging.... Except for the fact that the shots came from the front and not the back, it didn't really tell us that much, at least not conclusively.
Victim was unarmed, minority. Six shots. Two to the head. Last shot was fatal. Looks good?
RE: RE: RE: Autopsy and forensic evidence will give us Â
all the answers we need. I'll reserve my judgment till then . . . although so far it's not looking good for the cop. Don't know if there exists an account from a on-scene witness to verify his story yet.
Just curious, how do you see it not looking good for the cop? I saw the autopsy doctor on tv last night. Could be shots could be from 2-35 feet away, arms could have been up or down, head shot could be from the victim staggering or charging.... Except for the fact that the shots came from the front and not the back, it didn't really tell us that much, at least not conclusively.
Victim was unarmed, minority. Six shots. Two to the head. Last shot was fatal. Looks good?
I would think first shot was fatal would be worse than last shot.
Victim was unarmed, minority. Six shots. Two to the head. Last shot was fatal. Looks good?
Victim just committed a robbery where he physically assaulted the store owner. Cops story is that the victim charged him after assaulting him in his car. There are witnesses to back up this version.
Your points only address certain aspects of the incident.
is that he wasn't shot in the back. The fact that he was shot 6 times or in the head doesn't really say anything about whether the officer is at fault or not.
That's not to say that something else will be found in the forensics Â
is that he wasn't shot in the back. The fact that he was shot 6 times or in the head doesn't really say anything about whether the officer is at fault or not.
whatever the truth is ....should come out. I did hear that woman calling into Dana Loesch's radio show and say that the officer did indeed learn about the robbery after he stopped the men for jaywalking Link - ( New Window )
you might be dumber than I thought. She asserts that she is a family friend. While we cannot verify it (as with so many "details"), there is this:
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After airing the audio, Don Lemon cautioned viewers that, as with any witness account, this is unproven and simply just another side of the story. However, he noted, CNN confirmed that Josie’s account of the story matches what the network’s sources say police have told investigators
If prosecutors are able to get Dorian Johnson to recant his story (the guy still has an outstanding warrant), then the GJ will have stories that match, evidence that suggests Brown was shot from the front, eyewitnesses that saw him charge the officer and injuries to the officer's face. That should be good enough for a no bill.
Does that mean that Gov Nixon wouldn't appoint a special prosecutor? No. He might decide the hell with the GJ, I'm going forward anyways. Crump and Parks want the special prosecutor. CNN thinks Josie is real. - ( New Window )
Crump and Parks do not dispute that Brown engaged the officer at his cruiser. They are asserting that the officer put his hands around the neck of a 6'4" 290 pound man while seated in the cruiser.
he's upset because I linked audio of a caller into a radio station who says she is a family friend and wanted to get the officer's side of the story out.
He thinks that's ridiculous. I am pointing out that she seems to be asserting the same information that the police told investigators. So it makes her comments more relevant.
. I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me. - ( New Window )
Maybe it's just me, but his condescending tone takes away from the overall message.
Is that really a surprise though? The majority I've come across in Philly have awful attitudes and talk to you like you're an idiot. Personally I think it's just too much power and authority for most people. As for this though, he's pretty much right...
" Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?"
A lot of these alterations would be completely avoided if more people simply realized that arguing with a cop is about as useful as an asshole full of teeth. You're NEVER going to win, even if you are right and the cop is being a condescending prick. When a cop stops you you are at their mercy. The nest thing you could do is shut up, do exactly what they say, and remain respectful no matter how ignorant they may be. If you do that a situation will never escalate, and if you were really treated that poorly you can always file a complaint. But arguing,telling a cop what he can and can't do, or even worse, simply ignore his instructions well then you have no one to blame for yourself for the uncomfortable position you're sure to find yourself in.
When is this crap in ferguson going to end? it's not as long Â
as cops keep acting like this one in video below. How anyone can argue this is a professional, this is how peace officers should conduct themselves,like thugs and bullies threatening and swearing at unarmed noin threeatening protesters while this guy goes around pointing his assault rifle at everyone and his brother ( this is ok, but the kid with the pellet gun in walmart deserved to get shot, right?) telling them to go fuck themselves and saying "i'm gonna kill you" isn't the issue, the protesters are. OK.Bullshit.This needs to stop. Now.Tell me how this isn't "militarized police" acting like fucking goons. Link - ( New Window )
is that he wasn't shot in the back. The fact that he was shot 6 times or in the head doesn't really say anything about whether the officer is at fault or not.
Are you blatantly being obtuse?
Squeezing off a half-dozen shots over the span of a couple seconds is not especially galling. People hone in on that but it's really one of the less objectionable pieces of the story. If it happened that fast, and it seems to have, the appropriateness of the first shot is what's at issue.
Not necessarily. First shot may have occurred during struggle. If Brown took off running the shots fired in pursuit as well as any shots fired after he stooped running may be the most important.
from the big guy, this case is straightforward so far. And those lumping it in automatically with "historical injustices against minorities" aren't thinking nor seeing this clearly.
It may turn out that the cops acted inappropriately.
What we know though is the kid was a POS who was just strong-arming a store owner of his property, committing a violent crime.
I lean heavily pro-police at this juncture. Leaning towards the victim at this point means you probably made your mind up before you heard any evidence whatsoever and your beef is more theoretical than it is about the specifics of this case.
Not necessarily. First shot may have occurred during struggle. If Brown took off running the shots fired in pursuit as well as any shots fired after he stooped running may be the most important.
I meant the first shot that hit him. Unless there was a delay between those, the ones that hit him seem to be from a single, continuous string of shots.
Leaning towards the victim at this point means you probably made your mind up before you heard any evidence whatsoever and your beef is more theoretical than it is about the specifics of this case.
The specifics of the case, at this point in time, is that law enforcement shot and killed an unarmed 18 year old.
until all the facts are in. I don't feel compelled to reach a conclusion re: this issue until then. Have a sense of what happened but again all the facts aren't in yet.
Video of 19 year old killed yesterday by St Louis PD Â
guy stole a couple of soda cans, put them on the ground and waited for police. They arrived, he yelled "shoot me" they obliged.Cops claim he had a knife raised high over his head and was a "few feet" from then when they fired.Doesn't look quite like that to me.Don't see how protests end as long as this keeps happening.Form your own opinions as to whether this kid needed to get 12 rds put into him, 6 after he hit the ground.
The police report mentions nothing about the knife being over his head.
Looks justified to me. They told him several times to drop the knife. He instead continued walking towards them shouting "kill me" and "shoot me". I've read that many witnesses agree that it was justified and believe it was suicide by cop. I don't have links supporting that though... LINK - ( New Window )
From statements made by Chief Dotson directly to St. Louis dispatch:
"The store owner from the market and Flowers called 911. Two arriving officers ordered Powell to get down, but he became more agitated and walked toward them, reaching for his waistband. Witnesses told police the man was yelling, “Shoot me, kill me now,” during the encounter, Dotson said.
The officers drew their weapons and ordered Powell to stop. He did stop, but then pulled out a knife and came at the officers, gripping and holding it high, Dotson said. They ordered him to stop and drop the knife. When he got within 2 or 3 feet of the officers, they fired, killing Powell." Link - ( New Window )
It is to far for me to tell if he had a knife, but if he was holding one it certainly wasn't over his head and you can hear the officers saying to "drop the knife". Also he clearly was the aggressor in the situation as far as that he was the one approaching the police and not the other way around. They did give him plenty of verbal warning while they had their weapons drawn and every chance to drop the knife and stop approaching.
Why in the world anyone would aggressively approach police holding a knife yelling at them to "shoot me" is beyond me.
"As someone often defending the little guy
Randy in CT : 5:27 pm : link : reply
from the big guy, this case is straightforward so far. And those lumping it in automatically with "historical injustices against minorities" aren't thinking nor seeing this clearly.
It may turn out that the cops acted inappropriately.
What we know though is the kid was a POS who was just strong-arming a store owner of his property, committing a violent crime.
I lean heavily pro-police at this juncture. Leaning towards the victim at this point means you probably made your mind up before you heard any evidence whatsoever and your beef is more theoretical than it is about the specifics of this case."
I would add that it is more likely than not that this "kid" was going to end up in prison before ever attaining a college degree!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/
He was not a "gentle giant", he was not "unarmed"...at his size and weight, he is a weapon and beat the police officer to a point where he had no choice but to defend himself and shoot the attacking thug. He wasn't an innocent "teen", he was an adult (at 18 years of age) and responsible for his actions and suffered the consequences of them.
You don't attack a police officer and you certainly don't try to take his firearm. The police officer did his job and did it well. Thug broke police officer's eye socket - ( New Window )
The Gateway Pundit? Yeah, ok. That's all I need to know about your stupid ass.
No he stopped them for jay walking in the middle of the road. The police stated he had no knowledge of the robbery call at the time
Maybe you can find some more information about it on another blantantly right leaning 'news' site?
Bigot.
It may be he does have one, but this site would not be the first one that info would go to
Link - ( New Window )
a whole lot of class using the word retard...
Just curious, how do you see it not looking good for the cop? I saw the autopsy doctor on tv last night. Could be shots could be from 2-35 feet away, arms could have been up or down, head shot could be from the victim staggering or charging.... Except for the fact that the shots came from the front and not the back, it didn't really tell us that much, at least not conclusively.
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all the answers we need. I'll reserve my judgment till then . . . although so far it's not looking good for the cop. Don't know if there exists an account from a on-scene witness to verify his story yet.
Just curious, how do you see it not looking good for the cop? I saw the autopsy doctor on tv last night. Could be shots could be from 2-35 feet away, arms could have been up or down, head shot could be from the victim staggering or charging.... Except for the fact that the shots came from the front and not the back, it didn't really tell us that much, at least not conclusively.
Victim was unarmed, minority. Six shots. Two to the head. Last shot was fatal. Looks good?
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all the answers we need. I'll reserve my judgment till then . . . although so far it's not looking good for the cop. Don't know if there exists an account from a on-scene witness to verify his story yet.
Just curious, how do you see it not looking good for the cop? I saw the autopsy doctor on tv last night. Could be shots could be from 2-35 feet away, arms could have been up or down, head shot could be from the victim staggering or charging.... Except for the fact that the shots came from the front and not the back, it didn't really tell us that much, at least not conclusively.
Victim was unarmed, minority. Six shots. Two to the head. Last shot was fatal. Looks good?
I would think first shot was fatal would be worse than last shot.
Been kicking these ideas around a long time and I don't think there's been too many minds changed.
Maybe people aren't meant to get along?
Victim was unarmed, minority. Six shots. Two to the head. Last shot was fatal. Looks good?
Victim just committed a robbery where he physically assaulted the store owner. Cops story is that the victim charged him after assaulting him in his car. There are witnesses to back up this version.
Your points only address certain aspects of the incident.
I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me. - ( New Window )
Maybe it's just me, but his condescending tone takes away from the overall message.
Regarding the dead teen, you asked "how do you see it not looking good...?".
I particularly enjoy how that guy lumps in actual threats with cursing and rudeness and -the gall of those uppity civilians- arguing with the cop.
In other words, rudeness is an acceptable justification for the use of force.
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. I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me. - ( New Window )
I particularly enjoy how that guy lumps in actual threats with cursing and rudeness and -the gall of those uppity civilians- arguing with the cop.
In other words, rudeness is an acceptable justification for the use of force.
"THEY DARKY'S COMIN' RIGHT FOR US" defense should work wonders.
Are you blatantly being obtuse?
Jesus Christ. You're not this stupid, are you?
If prosecutors are able to get Dorian Johnson to recant his story (the guy still has an outstanding warrant), then the GJ will have stories that match, evidence that suggests Brown was shot from the front, eyewitnesses that saw him charge the officer and injuries to the officer's face. That should be good enough for a no bill.
Does that mean that Gov Nixon wouldn't appoint a special prosecutor? No. He might decide the hell with the GJ, I'm going forward anyways. Crump and Parks want the special prosecutor.
CNN thinks Josie is real. - ( New Window )
He thinks that's ridiculous. I am pointing out that she seems to be asserting the same information that the police told investigators. So it makes her comments more relevant.
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. I’m a cop. If you don’t want to get hurt, don’t challenge me. - ( New Window )
Maybe it's just me, but his condescending tone takes away from the overall message.
Is that really a surprise though? The majority I've come across in Philly have awful attitudes and talk to you like you're an idiot. Personally I think it's just too much power and authority for most people. As for this though, he's pretty much right...
" Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?"
A lot of these alterations would be completely avoided if more people simply realized that arguing with a cop is about as useful as an asshole full of teeth. You're NEVER going to win, even if you are right and the cop is being a condescending prick. When a cop stops you you are at their mercy. The nest thing you could do is shut up, do exactly what they say, and remain respectful no matter how ignorant they may be. If you do that a situation will never escalate, and if you were really treated that poorly you can always file a complaint. But arguing,telling a cop what he can and can't do, or even worse, simply ignore his instructions well then you have no one to blame for yourself for the uncomfortable position you're sure to find yourself in.
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Thug beat officer before shooting in self defense - ( New Window )
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is that he wasn't shot in the back. The fact that he was shot 6 times or in the head doesn't really say anything about whether the officer is at fault or not.
Are you blatantly being obtuse?
Squeezing off a half-dozen shots over the span of a couple seconds is not especially galling. People hone in on that but it's really one of the less objectionable pieces of the story. If it happened that fast, and it seems to have, the appropriateness of the first shot is what's at issue.
Do you really have to post this in both of the threads? Really?
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before he was forced to defend himself by using his firearm: Thug beat officer before shooting in self defense - ( New Window )
Do you really have to post this in both of the threads? Really?
Yes. Yes, I really do.
It may turn out that the cops acted inappropriately.
What we know though is the kid was a POS who was just strong-arming a store owner of his property, committing a violent crime.
I lean heavily pro-police at this juncture. Leaning towards the victim at this point means you probably made your mind up before you heard any evidence whatsoever and your beef is more theoretical than it is about the specifics of this case.
I meant the first shot that hit him. Unless there was a delay between those, the ones that hit him seem to be from a single, continuous string of shots.
The specifics of the case, at this point in time, is that law enforcement shot and killed an unarmed 18 year old.
I could be wrong here...
Warning: Video is graphic.A young man dies.
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Looks justified to me. They told him several times to drop the knife. He instead continued walking towards them shouting "kill me" and "shoot me". I've read that many witnesses agree that it was justified and believe it was suicide by cop. I don't have links supporting that though...
LINK - ( New Window )
"The store owner from the market and Flowers called 911. Two arriving officers ordered Powell to get down, but he became more agitated and walked toward them, reaching for his waistband. Witnesses told police the man was yelling, “Shoot me, kill me now,” during the encounter, Dotson said.
The officers drew their weapons and ordered Powell to stop. He did stop, but then pulled out a knife and came at the officers, gripping and holding it high, Dotson said. They ordered him to stop and drop the knife. When he got within 2 or 3 feet of the officers, they fired, killing Powell."
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Why in the world anyone would aggressively approach police holding a knife yelling at them to "shoot me" is beyond me.
Simply horrible to watch.
"As someone often defending the little guy
Randy in CT : 5:27 pm : link : reply
from the big guy, this case is straightforward so far. And those lumping it in automatically with "historical injustices against minorities" aren't thinking nor seeing this clearly.
It may turn out that the cops acted inappropriately.
What we know though is the kid was a POS who was just strong-arming a store owner of his property, committing a violent crime.
I lean heavily pro-police at this juncture. Leaning towards the victim at this point means you probably made your mind up before you heard any evidence whatsoever and your beef is more theoretical than it is about the specifics of this case."
I would add that it is more likely than not that this "kid" was going to end up in prison before ever attaining a college degree!