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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/19/2014 9:45 am
Tuesday, August 19
12:00 p.m. 1:45 p.m. Practice
After Practice Tom Coughlin available on field
1:50 p.m. 2:35 p.m. Player Interviews
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Eric  
crick78 : 8/19/2014 3:01 pm : link
because we should expect a qb to do that every time? what eli did in 2011 was amazing, not the norm, you know that.
RE: How can the qb be good when  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 8/19/2014 3:01 pm : link
In comment 11814773 crick78 said:
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the OL is bad?


Did you see Luck the other night? His OL isnt bad perse but he was under pressure a lot, yet he stepped up, was calm, made precise throws. Eli is under pressure and is totally rattled.
Easy math  
crick78 : 8/19/2014 3:02 pm : link
poor OL, poor to inconsistent offense.
Luck is much better athlete than  
crick78 : 8/19/2014 3:02 pm : link
people know
Eli is used to having poor protection  
crick78 : 8/19/2014 3:05 pm : link
that is BAD.
LI NHB  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/19/2014 3:07 pm : link
we'll see.

I hope I'm wrong.
Beckham was drafted  
deadkurtrulz : 8/19/2014 3:18 pm : link
to fill an immediate and glaring need at X WR. The pick was a remote thrower for me. I wanted Martin and hoped he and Pugh would be the cornerstones of a young and solid OL. The draft was deep at WR and Giants could have picked a WR in second round. When Beckham was interviewed at draft the chick interviewing him looked taller and tougher. Still, I understood the pick and hoped he was a real player and game breaker we needed.

Then he injured his hammy signing his contract and missed the OTA's.

Then he missed minicamp.

Then he was hurt at his first practice.

Then he missed every preseason game and re-injured himself while making his only reception when he returned to practice.

Time to IR Becky and put him on the bike for his rookie year. He is now officially another project. Lam Jones and Charles Rogers put up numbers in their rookie years Becky will not get close to. Because he never plays. Maybe he is not a bust but he is certainly a bust for this year.
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arcarsenal : 8/19/2014 3:20 pm : link
"Becky".. clever.

Yeah, let's just IR him and waste his entire rookie year for no reason. If he's got a hamstring pull in August, there's certainly nothing to be gained this year.

No chance he'll learn anything or get any experience.
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arcarsenal : 8/19/2014 3:21 pm : link
Oh, and he's officially a "bust" according to this fucking moronic poster. Good stuff.
Beckham's a bust for the entire year already?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/19/2014 3:21 pm : link
The first game isn't for 3 weeks...
I realize I'm being an optimist here....but  
Andy in Boston : 8/19/2014 3:22 pm : link
they have had this week, the jets game, all of next week to practice, the Pats game...the entire following week to heal up and practice before their 1st game.

Beckham will hopefully practice next week, play in the Pats game...have the entire week after to practice. I realized him having no camp sucks...but he was the most "NFL ready" WR in the draft. I believe he can have an impact even if he's in a limited role. (Punt return game, works a little in the slot, etc....even if he's only in for lets say 1/3 of the games.)

This should be a good defense....lots of versatility, they've been solid in the run defense in preseason, and were a good run defense last year. They have the best cover people they've had in awhile. This will all depend on JPP's ability/health and Moore's continued development.

Special teams should be better than last year...much better. Quinn has been on the hot seat in th past...his group will be ready. I like our kicking game.

If we can play dink and dunk the 1st few games...and not turn the ball over, the defense will keep them in the games...and they will be comptetitive. Eventually I think this offense finds its groove. Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Jennings, Williams....that is solid talent.

i'd say  
odunde : 8/19/2014 3:23 pm : link
the defense could be good, but probably not good enough to carry the team without some consistent offensive production.

Eli has a lot of questions to answer, and was pretty damn lousy last year, but it feels a little melodramatic to flat out call him "not very good."

I will agree with Eric that the offense could be dreadful, with COULD being the operative word. I don't think they will be great, but if they can pull it together, i am willing to go out on a limb and say they could be middle of the pack.....

i don't think i am painting an overly optimistic picture, and it certainly doesn't look like a playoff team on paper, but it would be nice if some of the doom saying could be curbed until we see what happens in a real, meaningful game of football.
Have to love all the arm chair GM's  
geemanfan : 8/19/2014 3:23 pm : link
We didn't play one real game and already our 1st round draft pick is a bust.
regarding ODB  
Andy in Boston : 8/19/2014 3:23 pm : link
I meant 1/3 of the offensive snaps in the games.
Eric  
Chip : 8/19/2014 3:24 pm : link
Eli has played 3 quarters in the first 3 games. The system is new, the OL is new the TE is new and only Cruz has a rapport with Eli. It will take time and most likely into the season before the offense will get going. The defense has to carry this team at the beginning of the season. If we are 2-2 after 4 weeks with the defense playing well which I expect. It s not like were not 3-0 in the preseason playing like crap. It will get better. Dallas has no defense, RG3 can't stay away from big hits and Phil will be the favorite.
A good LG  
old man : 8/19/2014 3:25 pm : link
would helpboth the middleof the line, help Beatty, and improve Eli's chances of not getting killed from the blindside.
Anyone know if one might be available?:-)
RE: .  
deadkurtrulz : 8/19/2014 3:35 pm : link
In comment 11814843 arcarsenal said:
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Oh, and he's officially a "bust" according to this fucking moronic poster. Good stuff.


Hey fuckwad, I said a bust this year. I guess you haven't noticed he hurts his hammy every time he tries to play despite getting weeks of rest. What makes anyone think his hammy will suddenly heal next week or the week after when it has not healed in a month of rest and he just pulled it again?

At some point they will need the roster spot for some one that can play.
RE: LI NHB  
LI NHB : 8/19/2014 3:39 pm : link
In comment 11814811 Eric from BBI said:
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I hope I'm wrong.


Me too. I hope a lot of things are not as they seem right now, but I am not blind to the struggles.

Just listening to mainstays on the team like JPP admitting that there's really "nothing to play for" in the preseason has to temper your frustrations a bit. Obviously, I'd love for every player to have the compete and win mentality at all times, but the truth is, this is not reality. Even some of the greatest Giants and players in history, like Michael Strahan, were vocally against the rigors of camp. Though I do think the offensive woes are more than just people loafing because it doesn't count, you do have to consider the fact that the stakes just simply aren't that high. When you only have a few series to get going and the defense across from you is blitzing to exploit what they know is a new offensive unit, you have to expect a lack of flow to start. I would anticipate the opening weeks to be shaky, but I have witnessed too much positive in Coughlin's and Eli's tenures to think it's just simply nonexistent anymore.
I think this Defense  
beatrixkiddo : 8/19/2014 3:41 pm : link
Can carry this team to start the year, as they are likely to get off to a slow start. However, there are 2 things this offense absolutely can't do for this to happen.

1.) Is turn the ball over

2.) Is they can't give our defense half a field to work with like they did last year; that means no quick 3 and outs, but rather longer short/ intermediate methodical drives.

I think if they can do this they can be sucessful enough to be in it to compete in this division. I think more importantly, these two points are going to be necessary for in order to get this offense up to speed. They have to keep these games close, they have a good power run game going for them and they need to work that to there advantage. Getting down in points can take that away from them if they have to play catch-up. They ran very well compared to last year this pre-season. Yes the colts shut them down, but the Colts have improved dramatically in their Run Defense; pretty sure they lead the league so far this pre- season.

I will remain cautiously optimistic about this team this year. I like the moves they made in the off- season, it's now just about getting everyone to gel together. We just have to hope it gels before it falls apart.

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arcarsenal : 8/19/2014 3:42 pm : link
Everything in your post was completely moronic. But that's par for the course for you.

You don't just IR a 1st rd pick because of a hamstring pull. Especially not in August. When you figure that part out, and subsequently realize how ridiculous your "idea" was, let us know.

I'm sure you're so much tougher than "Becky", though. You'd definitely be out there gutting it out!
RE: RE: .  
odunde : 8/19/2014 3:42 pm : link
1) We don't KNOW he re injured his hammy. It may be a reasonable assumption, but that is all it is at this point.

2) Muscle pulls don't heal over night, and often don't fully heal in a month. Hopefully, at some point it is fully healed, until then can't we just hope for the best without dooming his season? Even if he isn't fully healthy until week three or four, there is no reason he couldn't get worked in at PR and WR and contribute this season more than, say Preston Parker (if the decision was Beckham to IR or Parker gets cut).

3) Hey Eric, you answer people's questions sometimes: what's a fuckwad?


In comment 11814884 deadkurtrulz said:
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In comment 11814843 arcarsenal said:


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Oh, and he's officially a "bust" according to this fucking moronic poster. Good stuff.



Hey fuckwad, I said a bust this year. I guess you haven't noticed he hurts his hammy every time he tries to play despite getting weeks of rest. What makes anyone think his hammy will suddenly heal next week or the week after when it has not healed in a month of rest and he just pulled it again?

At some point they will need the roster spot for some one that can play.
This place is becoming unbearable.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/19/2014 3:50 pm : link
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RE: This place is becoming unbearable.  
okiegiant : 8/19/2014 3:56 pm : link
In comment 11814918 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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It has always been fairly unbearable around here...especially when it comes to a few posters reactions to injuries. I will say the LOUD NOISES crowd...the people being negative to just be negative...are a little more irritating than usual.
I didn't know you could be a one-year bust.  
Klaatu : 8/19/2014 3:58 pm : link
If you make All-Pro the next year, does "bust" still stay on your permanent record?
Calling him a bust is obviously stupid, but it's fair to be frustrated  
Riggies : 8/19/2014 4:03 pm : link
by him pretty much missing most of the OTAs and now most of TC/pre-season, given how badly they needed him to contribute this season.

In terms of offensive playmakers, this team is looking mighty empty right now.
Eric  
SBlue46 : 8/19/2014 4:04 pm : link
I was for firing KG but bring in a guy who
never calls a play in NFL?
Why do backup qbs pass great and Eli cant?
Oline a problem but Eli cant make 1 pass?
Eli is a bad short passer w bad touch..
he seem to be changing plays often and backups seem to
play out whats called..
backups have better wrs..yeah right now thats true because
in practice backup qbs are more successful..
I hope TC is smart enough to figure out problem
by adding harris and Wash to 1st team or by trying
Nassib to 1st team..this way it shows if its eli
RE: I didn't know you could be a one-year bust.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/19/2014 4:04 pm : link
In comment 11814938 Klaatu said:
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If you make All-Pro the next year, does "bust" still stay on your permanent record?


Actually he would be considered a 0 year bust since we haven't played a game yet.
If Eli played  
SBlue46 : 8/19/2014 4:07 pm : link
in colts game 4th qtr instead of Nassib, do we win?
Does TC  
SBlue46 : 8/19/2014 4:08 pm : link
have the balls to bench Eli
On the plus side....  
SB : 8/19/2014 4:15 pm : link
Beckham is a straight baller and this offense will be all about getting the ball to playmakers and letting them make plays. So maybe missing practice time won't be that big a deal for him, especially now that he won't have to learn an over-complicated system.
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arcarsenal : 8/19/2014 4:17 pm : link
I think everyone's frustrated that Beckham hasn't been able to get on the field.

I also think there's large difference between being frustrated and making ludicrous statements/suggestions and coming off as a raving lunatic. It would be nice if we could eliminate the latter from these threads but someone's always got to be that guy.
RE: Does TC  
okiegiant : 8/19/2014 4:18 pm : link
In comment 11814962 SBlue46 said:
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have the balls to bench Eli


Oh Lord...
Manning is the key, always has been  
DavidinBMNY : 8/19/2014 4:26 pm : link
0-6 Remember we were terrible. Manning was terrible, we didn't have weapons and our OL stunk and we had no pass rush.

That said - I think rather then saying it's a bad team, it's more accurate to reflect it as a work in progress.

The Colts game was sobering but also a blessing in disguise.

The Pass Rush is still currently non existent, the OL is in flux and there are still no weapons on the offense. Our offense isn't scaring anyone right now based on the personal we have and probably won't scare anyone any time soon. And Manning is playing like crap.

In order to fix Manning not playing like crap we need the following:

1) The O-line to stabalize
2) Establish a viable running game
3) Keep the Defense honest / make them pay for doubling Cruz
4) Manning to feel comfortable in the Offense

This is going to continue to take some time. It's not like we have Calvin Johnson getting open on every play.

The start of the season is a crapshot. If there's anyway we can come out of the first 4 games with as many or more wins then loses I think we have a shot of staying competitive for the middle of the season. The team's best hope is to kick into high gear for the end of the season.



eli has 2 games  
SBlue46 : 8/19/2014 4:31 pm : link
To get his game on....if he plays bad and
lions blow us out...ny crowd in game 2 will
be chanting. NASSIB
RE: eli has 2 games  
NewYorkGiants : 8/19/2014 4:49 pm : link
In comment 11815005 SBlue46 said:
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To get his game on....if he plays bad and
lions blow us out...ny crowd in game 2 will
be chanting. NASSIB


As long as the stadium isnt packed with morons like you, noone will be chanting for nassib
Here you go odunde (from urban dictionary)  
Jaychman35 : 8/19/2014 4:53 pm : link
fuckwad
An individual who is beneath contempt.
A despicable person
Listen--I don't even want to think about that fuckwad.
all the negativity  
bc4life : 8/19/2014 5:02 pm : link
on this thread. BBI thread forecast - It's raining bitches.
eric  
SBlue46 : 8/19/2014 5:12 pm : link
I think the oline will be much better. ..Reese should try
to upgrade 2 or 3 guys whens cuts come..I fear eli
is more of the problem. .the proof is on tape....backup
qbs doing better w backup oline...so macs system works..
Eli cant throw a long or short pass so he may have..
injury , nerves. ...foot problems...ect
jets always beat him up...you know hes going down...
I put him in 10 plays max ...if he sucks put nassib In
with 1st unit for a qtr. See what happens
Seriously  
dep026 : 8/19/2014 5:22 pm : link
Eric.....

Why are allowing bossman to post here? There may not bigger shitstain on society, yet alone BBI, than him.
RE: Here you go odunde (from urban dictionary)  
odunde : 8/19/2014 5:30 pm : link
I was hoping for a more literal definition.

In comment 11815051 Jaychman35 said:
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fuckwad
An individual who is beneath contempt.
A despicable person
Listen--I don't even want to think about that fuckwad.
RE: Beckham was drafted  
BSIMatt : 8/19/2014 5:34 pm : link
In comment 11814839 deadkurtrulz said:
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The pick was a remote thrower for me. I wanted Martin and hoped he and Pugh would be the cornerstones of a young and solid OL. The draft was deep at WR and Giants could have picked a WR in second round. When Beckham was interviewed at draft the chick interviewing him looked taller and tougher. Still, I understood the pick and hoped he was a real player and game breaker we needed.



The hilarious thing about this post is that I can hear your arm breaking in half from patting yourself on the back for throwing your remote when they drafted Beckham and preferring Martin.

You've fully evaluated the tradeoff between the Martin and Beckham picks 3 weeks into the preseason. Brilliant.

Also, he has a hamstring injury and he's a speed guy...what the hell does that have to do with his toughness? Trot Beckham out there at 75% and you're taking his #1 skillset and rendering it useless. This has nothing to do with toughness/size. Also, regarding questioning Beckham's size and toughness, I'll see if I can find the clip of him breaking CJ Mosely in half for you, you seem uninformed.
Eric,  
Blackbeard : 8/19/2014 5:47 pm : link
Did you take a "Pessimist" pill this morning?
Arc arsenic  
Blackbeard : 8/19/2014 5:48 pm : link
Seems to have enjoyed his daily "Nasty" pill.
RE: ..  
blakjedi : 8/19/2014 5:49 pm : link
In comment 11814422 Eric from BBI said:
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It's going to be a bad, bad year.


Honestly it really feels like it.
The Giants will not be nearly as bad as they have looked thus far,  
Blackbeard : 8/19/2014 5:51 pm : link
However, may not make the playoffs unless Phi, Was and Dal
all crumble.
No hope of a Wild Card.
RE: Arc arsenic  
arcarsenal : 8/19/2014 6:22 pm : link
In comment 11815150 Blackbeard said:
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Seems to have enjoyed his daily "Nasty" pill.


Wow.. arc arsenic.. that's real good. How long did you spend on that one?
C'mon, Eric: "QB Isn't Very Good?"  
clatterbuck : 8/19/2014 6:38 pm : link
He may not be playing very well right now but it's really a stretch to say Eli is not a very good quarterback. He needs to be able to trust his O line and his receivers and right now he can't. Constant pressure and no weapons will make most QBs look bad.
clatterbuck  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/19/2014 7:25 pm : link
I love Eli, but he hasn't been the same QB in two years now.

You have to call like you see it.
RE: C'mon, Eric:  
SGMen : 8/19/2014 8:07 pm : link
In comment 11815202 clatterbuck said:
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He may not be playing very well right now but it's really a stretch to say Eli is not a very good quarterback. He needs to be able to trust his O line and his receivers and right now he can't. Constant pressure and no weapons will make most QBs look bad.

I have to agree with Eric. Look at his body of work from the end of 2012 through the Indy game. Overall, he has just sucked. They say that in Troy Aikman's last year he was seeing a "deer in the headlights" and the team knew he was done. Eli is skittish now.
It's tough for me to look at this team  
santacruzom : 8/20/2014 2:30 am : link
And see much reason for optimism, especially given their peculiar recent trend of being unable to maintain positive development of their promising players. There aren't many players on the team that leave me feeling like we'll enjoy watching them put forth a remarkable career for years to come. But you never know. That trend can vanish just as suddenly as it surfaced.
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