And Did We Need An O-Lineman With Our 1st Round Draft Pick In '07? No!! The Fortress Of Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee And McKenzie Was Already Formed. Idiot.
Beckham isn't even the problem here. This line is just a fucking mess still. The WR's we have would be completely fine if the QB actually had time to throw and could get his mechanics all straight.
The dude was our 1st rd pick for a reason and is clearly talented and can add a dimension to the offense. But none of it matters if we can't pass protect and it looks like right now, we're no better off than we were last year.
Lots of concerns for sure but the reality is you can't take much from the preseason. Through the years there are tons of examples of great preseason teams having horrible regular seasons and vice versa. In 2007 the giants looked like the worst team in football in the preseason and the 1st 2 games of the year. People are too worked up. Again it could be a bad year but judging that based on preseason 'stuff' is presumptuous.
you mean like 2011 when the Giants were last in rushing and Eli had poor pass pro from both tackle spots? (pass pro was steadier from inside...so you could make that argument)
Decent defense, but the QB isn't very good and the offense could be downright dreadful.
Little dramatic here. Obviously respect the work you put in on the team, but I don't think this is warranted. Anyone who thought they were going to waltz through the preseason with an unfamiliar o-line and a new offense is misguided. Saying this is going to be a "bad, bad year" in week 3 of the preseason, is silly.
Did you see Luck the other night? His OL isnt bad perse but he was under pressure a lot, yet he stepped up, was calm, made precise throws. Eli is under pressure and is totally rattled.
to fill an immediate and glaring need at X WR. The pick was a remote thrower for me. I wanted Martin and hoped he and Pugh would be the cornerstones of a young and solid OL. The draft was deep at WR and Giants could have picked a WR in second round. When Beckham was interviewed at draft the chick interviewing him looked taller and tougher. Still, I understood the pick and hoped he was a real player and game breaker we needed.
Then he injured his hammy signing his contract and missed the OTA's.
Then he missed minicamp.
Then he was hurt at his first practice.
Then he missed every preseason game and re-injured himself while making his only reception when he returned to practice.
Time to IR Becky and put him on the bike for his rookie year. He is now officially another project. Lam Jones and Charles Rogers put up numbers in their rookie years Becky will not get close to. Because he never plays. Maybe he is not a bust but he is certainly a bust for this year.
Yeah, let's just IR him and waste his entire rookie year for no reason. If he's got a hamstring pull in August, there's certainly nothing to be gained this year.
No chance he'll learn anything or get any experience.
they have had this week, the jets game, all of next week to practice, the Pats game...the entire following week to heal up and practice before their 1st game.
Beckham will hopefully practice next week, play in the Pats game...have the entire week after to practice. I realized him having no camp sucks...but he was the most "NFL ready" WR in the draft. I believe he can have an impact even if he's in a limited role. (Punt return game, works a little in the slot, etc....even if he's only in for lets say 1/3 of the games.)
This should be a good defense....lots of versatility, they've been solid in the run defense in preseason, and were a good run defense last year. They have the best cover people they've had in awhile. This will all depend on JPP's ability/health and Moore's continued development.
Special teams should be better than last year...much better. Quinn has been on the hot seat in th past...his group will be ready. I like our kicking game.
If we can play dink and dunk the 1st few games...and not turn the ball over, the defense will keep them in the games...and they will be comptetitive. Eventually I think this offense finds its groove. Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Jennings, Williams....that is solid talent.
the defense could be good, but probably not good enough to carry the team without some consistent offensive production.
Eli has a lot of questions to answer, and was pretty damn lousy last year, but it feels a little melodramatic to flat out call him "not very good."
I will agree with Eric that the offense could be dreadful, with COULD being the operative word. I don't think they will be great, but if they can pull it together, i am willing to go out on a limb and say they could be middle of the pack.....
i don't think i am painting an overly optimistic picture, and it certainly doesn't look like a playoff team on paper, but it would be nice if some of the doom saying could be curbed until we see what happens in a real, meaningful game of football.
Eli has played 3 quarters in the first 3 games. The system is new, the OL is new the TE is new and only Cruz has a rapport with Eli. It will take time and most likely into the season before the offense will get going. The defense has to carry this team at the beginning of the season. If we are 2-2 after 4 weeks with the defense playing well which I expect. It s not like were not 3-0 in the preseason playing like crap. It will get better. Dallas has no defense, RG3 can't stay away from big hits and Phil will be the favorite.
would helpboth the middleof the line, help Beatty, and improve Eli's chances of not getting killed from the blindside.
Anyone know if one might be available?:-)
Oh, and he's officially a "bust" according to this fucking moronic poster. Good stuff.
Hey fuckwad, I said a bust this year. I guess you haven't noticed he hurts his hammy every time he tries to play despite getting weeks of rest. What makes anyone think his hammy will suddenly heal next week or the week after when it has not healed in a month of rest and he just pulled it again?
At some point they will need the roster spot for some one that can play.
Me too. I hope a lot of things are not as they seem right now, but I am not blind to the struggles.
Just listening to mainstays on the team like JPP admitting that there's really "nothing to play for" in the preseason has to temper your frustrations a bit. Obviously, I'd love for every player to have the compete and win mentality at all times, but the truth is, this is not reality. Even some of the greatest Giants and players in history, like Michael Strahan, were vocally against the rigors of camp. Though I do think the offensive woes are more than just people loafing because it doesn't count, you do have to consider the fact that the stakes just simply aren't that high. When you only have a few series to get going and the defense across from you is blitzing to exploit what they know is a new offensive unit, you have to expect a lack of flow to start. I would anticipate the opening weeks to be shaky, but I have witnessed too much positive in Coughlin's and Eli's tenures to think it's just simply nonexistent anymore.
Can carry this team to start the year, as they are likely to get off to a slow start. However, there are 2 things this offense absolutely can't do for this to happen.
1.) Is turn the ball over
2.) Is they can't give our defense half a field to work with like they did last year; that means no quick 3 and outs, but rather longer short/ intermediate methodical drives.
I think if they can do this they can be sucessful enough to be in it to compete in this division. I think more importantly, these two points are going to be necessary for in order to get this offense up to speed. They have to keep these games close, they have a good power run game going for them and they need to work that to there advantage. Getting down in points can take that away from them if they have to play catch-up. They ran very well compared to last year this pre-season. Yes the colts shut them down, but the Colts have improved dramatically in their Run Defense; pretty sure they lead the league so far this pre- season.
I will remain cautiously optimistic about this team this year. I like the moves they made in the off- season, it's now just about getting everyone to gel together. We just have to hope it gels before it falls apart.
Everything in your post was completely moronic. But that's par for the course for you.
You don't just IR a 1st rd pick because of a hamstring pull. Especially not in August. When you figure that part out, and subsequently realize how ridiculous your "idea" was, let us know.
I'm sure you're so much tougher than "Becky", though. You'd definitely be out there gutting it out!
1) We don't KNOW he re injured his hammy. It may be a reasonable assumption, but that is all it is at this point.
2) Muscle pulls don't heal over night, and often don't fully heal in a month. Hopefully, at some point it is fully healed, until then can't we just hope for the best without dooming his season? Even if he isn't fully healthy until week three or four, there is no reason he couldn't get worked in at PR and WR and contribute this season more than, say Preston Parker (if the decision was Beckham to IR or Parker gets cut).
3) Hey Eric, you answer people's questions sometimes: what's a fuckwad?
Oh, and he's officially a "bust" according to this fucking moronic poster. Good stuff.
Hey fuckwad, I said a bust this year. I guess you haven't noticed he hurts his hammy every time he tries to play despite getting weeks of rest. What makes anyone think his hammy will suddenly heal next week or the week after when it has not healed in a month of rest and he just pulled it again?
At some point they will need the roster spot for some one that can play.
It has always been fairly unbearable around here...especially when it comes to a few posters reactions to injuries. I will say the LOUD NOISES crowd...the people being negative to just be negative...are a little more irritating than usual.
I was for firing KG but bring in a guy who
never calls a play in NFL?
Why do backup qbs pass great and Eli cant?
Oline a problem but Eli cant make 1 pass?
Eli is a bad short passer w bad touch..
he seem to be changing plays often and backups seem to
play out whats called..
backups have better wrs..yeah right now thats true because
in practice backup qbs are more successful..
I hope TC is smart enough to figure out problem
by adding harris and Wash to 1st team or by trying
Nassib to 1st team..this way it shows if its eli
Beckham is a straight baller and this offense will be all about getting the ball to playmakers and letting them make plays. So maybe missing practice time won't be that big a deal for him, especially now that he won't have to learn an over-complicated system.
I think everyone's frustrated that Beckham hasn't been able to get on the field.
I also think there's large difference between being frustrated and making ludicrous statements/suggestions and coming off as a raving lunatic. It would be nice if we could eliminate the latter from these threads but someone's always got to be that guy.
The dude was our 1st rd pick for a reason and is clearly talented and can add a dimension to the offense. But none of it matters if we can't pass protect and it looks like right now, we're no better off than we were last year.
It's real early, but.. not such good signs.
I understand it's Eric posting Connor's tweet and then reacting to it, but I love the visual of Eric replying to and disagreeing with his own post!
Justin Pugh is lined up at left tackle with the first team. First time we have seen this.
We're we all delusional or was the body language in the Giants draft room negative when Lewan was selected?
Pugh at LT? What a joke
It doesn't do any good other than to limit the blood in the water the press and fans are already in a frenzy over.
They need to get the 2nd round pick in the lineup, and get Schwartz to his more comfortable side IMO.
They need to get the 2nd round pick in the lineup, and get Schwartz to his more comfortable side IMO.
I echo these sentiments. Left to right will hopefully be Beatty, Richburg, Walton, Schwartz and Pugh, but what do I know? I went to public schools.
Decent defense, but the QB isn't very good and the offense could be downright dreadful.
I'm not there every day, I trust their judgement. I just see him more of a backup.
Decent defense, but the QB isn't very good and the offense could be downright dreadful.
Little dramatic here. Obviously respect the work you put in on the team, but I don't think this is warranted. Anyone who thought they were going to waltz through the preseason with an unfamiliar o-line and a new offense is misguided. Saying this is going to be a "bad, bad year" in week 3 of the preseason, is silly.
Did you see Luck the other night? His OL isnt bad perse but he was under pressure a lot, yet he stepped up, was calm, made precise throws. Eli is under pressure and is totally rattled.
I hope I'm wrong.
Then he injured his hammy signing his contract and missed the OTA's.
Then he missed minicamp.
Then he was hurt at his first practice.
Then he missed every preseason game and re-injured himself while making his only reception when he returned to practice.
Time to IR Becky and put him on the bike for his rookie year. He is now officially another project. Lam Jones and Charles Rogers put up numbers in their rookie years Becky will not get close to. Because he never plays. Maybe he is not a bust but he is certainly a bust for this year.
Yeah, let's just IR him and waste his entire rookie year for no reason. If he's got a hamstring pull in August, there's certainly nothing to be gained this year.
No chance he'll learn anything or get any experience.
Beckham will hopefully practice next week, play in the Pats game...have the entire week after to practice. I realized him having no camp sucks...but he was the most "NFL ready" WR in the draft. I believe he can have an impact even if he's in a limited role. (Punt return game, works a little in the slot, etc....even if he's only in for lets say 1/3 of the games.)
This should be a good defense....lots of versatility, they've been solid in the run defense in preseason, and were a good run defense last year. They have the best cover people they've had in awhile. This will all depend on JPP's ability/health and Moore's continued development.
Special teams should be better than last year...much better. Quinn has been on the hot seat in th past...his group will be ready. I like our kicking game.
If we can play dink and dunk the 1st few games...and not turn the ball over, the defense will keep them in the games...and they will be comptetitive. Eventually I think this offense finds its groove. Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Jennings, Williams....that is solid talent.
Eli has a lot of questions to answer, and was pretty damn lousy last year, but it feels a little melodramatic to flat out call him "not very good."
I will agree with Eric that the offense could be dreadful, with COULD being the operative word. I don't think they will be great, but if they can pull it together, i am willing to go out on a limb and say they could be middle of the pack.....
i don't think i am painting an overly optimistic picture, and it certainly doesn't look like a playoff team on paper, but it would be nice if some of the doom saying could be curbed until we see what happens in a real, meaningful game of football.
Anyone know if one might be available?:-)
Hey fuckwad, I said a bust this year. I guess you haven't noticed he hurts his hammy every time he tries to play despite getting weeks of rest. What makes anyone think his hammy will suddenly heal next week or the week after when it has not healed in a month of rest and he just pulled it again?
At some point they will need the roster spot for some one that can play.
Me too. I hope a lot of things are not as they seem right now, but I am not blind to the struggles.
Just listening to mainstays on the team like JPP admitting that there's really "nothing to play for" in the preseason has to temper your frustrations a bit. Obviously, I'd love for every player to have the compete and win mentality at all times, but the truth is, this is not reality. Even some of the greatest Giants and players in history, like Michael Strahan, were vocally against the rigors of camp. Though I do think the offensive woes are more than just people loafing because it doesn't count, you do have to consider the fact that the stakes just simply aren't that high. When you only have a few series to get going and the defense across from you is blitzing to exploit what they know is a new offensive unit, you have to expect a lack of flow to start. I would anticipate the opening weeks to be shaky, but I have witnessed too much positive in Coughlin's and Eli's tenures to think it's just simply nonexistent anymore.
1.) Is turn the ball over
2.) Is they can't give our defense half a field to work with like they did last year; that means no quick 3 and outs, but rather longer short/ intermediate methodical drives.
I think if they can do this they can be sucessful enough to be in it to compete in this division. I think more importantly, these two points are going to be necessary for in order to get this offense up to speed. They have to keep these games close, they have a good power run game going for them and they need to work that to there advantage. Getting down in points can take that away from them if they have to play catch-up. They ran very well compared to last year this pre-season. Yes the colts shut them down, but the Colts have improved dramatically in their Run Defense; pretty sure they lead the league so far this pre- season.
I will remain cautiously optimistic about this team this year. I like the moves they made in the off- season, it's now just about getting everyone to gel together. We just have to hope it gels before it falls apart.
You don't just IR a 1st rd pick because of a hamstring pull. Especially not in August. When you figure that part out, and subsequently realize how ridiculous your "idea" was, let us know.
I'm sure you're so much tougher than "Becky", though. You'd definitely be out there gutting it out!
2) Muscle pulls don't heal over night, and often don't fully heal in a month. Hopefully, at some point it is fully healed, until then can't we just hope for the best without dooming his season? Even if he isn't fully healthy until week three or four, there is no reason he couldn't get worked in at PR and WR and contribute this season more than, say Preston Parker (if the decision was Beckham to IR or Parker gets cut).
3) Hey Eric, you answer people's questions sometimes: what's a fuckwad?
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Oh, and he's officially a "bust" according to this fucking moronic poster. Good stuff.
Hey fuckwad, I said a bust this year. I guess you haven't noticed he hurts his hammy every time he tries to play despite getting weeks of rest. What makes anyone think his hammy will suddenly heal next week or the week after when it has not healed in a month of rest and he just pulled it again?
At some point they will need the roster spot for some one that can play.
It has always been fairly unbearable around here...especially when it comes to a few posters reactions to injuries. I will say the LOUD NOISES crowd...the people being negative to just be negative...are a little more irritating than usual.
In terms of offensive playmakers, this team is looking mighty empty right now.
never calls a play in NFL?
Why do backup qbs pass great and Eli cant?
Oline a problem but Eli cant make 1 pass?
Eli is a bad short passer w bad touch..
he seem to be changing plays often and backups seem to
play out whats called..
backups have better wrs..yeah right now thats true because
in practice backup qbs are more successful..
I hope TC is smart enough to figure out problem
by adding harris and Wash to 1st team or by trying
Nassib to 1st team..this way it shows if its eli
Actually he would be considered a 0 year bust since we haven't played a game yet.
I also think there's large difference between being frustrated and making ludicrous statements/suggestions and coming off as a raving lunatic. It would be nice if we could eliminate the latter from these threads but someone's always got to be that guy.