NFT: Fantasy Chat - 8/19

I think its Charles or Mccoy are what most consider the number 1 pick but Forte is going to get a ton of work and they really dont have a secondary back...

make sure you get West...he is going to get a lot of looks especially since Tate does get banged up a lot and West may get 3rd downs..

I'd rather fill my roster with as many starters as possible at RB. I feel like people draft backup RB's way earlier than they should just because they also own their starter.

But yes, I am targeting West, but I will be doing so even if I don't draft Tate.

In comment 11814129 UConn4523 said:

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I'd rather fill my roster with as many starters as possible at RB. I feel like people draft backup RB's way earlier than they should just because they also own their starter. But yes, I am targeting West, but I will be doing so even if I don't draft Tate.

Yeha i am not into handcuffing either...i was just making the point that West is going to get a lot of work in my opinion...it almost seems like the same situation as last year with bernard...

I never paid much attention to it, but I've gotten fucked over too many times in the past where my stud RB goes down and the handcuff is already on another team. Taking a handcuff is just like buying insurance. You hope you don't need them, but at least it's there if you do.

That being said, reaching for a handcuff shouldn't happen.

there's a bunch of guys i'm targeting, but i'll let everyone else overdraft the backups. There's going to be a ton of injuries and its impossible to predict.

and always over draft if they really want someone...they get to scared that the player wont be there and take a player 2 rounds to early and i love it...

In comment 11814145 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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I never paid much attention to it, but I've gotten fucked over too many times in the past where my stud RB goes down and the handcuff is already on another team. Taking a handcuff is just like buying insurance. You hope you don't need them, but at least it's there if you do. That being said, reaching for a handcuff shouldn't happen.

I guess its semantics then. Handcuffing to me means taking a guy well before you should for said insurance. No chance i'm doing that. I'd rather get maximum value with each pick and worry about injuries later. If you have 4 RB's that get starting touches, then there's no need to worry about drafting AP's back-up just to sit on your bench until he gets injured.

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when you draft a handcuff you end up releasing him for someone better on the free agent market after week 1 or 2 anyway...

no chance i'm drafting Asiata over someone who may actually surprise and produce out of the gates. I'd rather a guy like Blount, White, or even Mason who may all get worked into 5-7 touches a game with upside.

I'm basically targeting split back fields in the late rounds. Guys that may only get 25% of the looks early on but can take off if they produce or if their is an injury.

because there are situations when you would want to handcuff. It's usually not something I do because I'd rather build my depth and utilize the trade market to upgrade my roster, but there are situations in which it makes sense.

I take almost nothing away from last nights game based on results. Just snaps and playing time.

So I'm drafting tonight for one of my leagues (it's a cheaper league with a bunch of friends so it's not my main league)

I haven't done all my HW yet but the way the scoring is, like all of the top 10 players in scoring in this format last year were QB's. McCoy was the highest scoring RB, IIRC and he was all the way down at like 10th or 11th overall in points last year.

SO. I always get hung up strategically on this. If QB's are the ones who clearly produce the most points in a given format, does it make the most sense to take one early and get the highest point producer possible. Or because QB's will get you so many points, do you wait on QB and get a hold of RB's (or maybe a RB/WR) first and worry about QB later since you can still get a good one later on?

I can't decide which would be more advantageous. I'm leaning towards going RB/RB/WR (not necessarily in that order) with my first 3 picks unless I'm in an optimal spot to take Peyton in the 1st rd (I don't know where I am picking yet) and worrying about QB later.

In my main league last year, I waited til rd 5 to go QB and I took Brady there and still wound up with Foles and Rivers so I feel like I should wait.

It seems as though McCoy, Charles, Forte and AP are going to be gone and I do not like Lacy. Therefore, my options will be Peyton, Graham or Calvin. Gotta take Calvin if he's there, right? If one of the top 4 RB's are there, I'm taking one of them.

who had little to no role otherwise, stepped in for an injured stud and actually produced at a high level?

it's impossible to know unless we know how many more pts the top QB's had over the next tier and how many pts McCoy and Charles had in comparison to the next tier.

when you had Arian Foster was one of those situations that it made sense.

I would never overdraft for a handcuff. Sometimes people do that when there are upside guys available.

had some value even if he wasn't starting, as he was getting touches every week. I didn't really see him as a handcuff, but he's also a guy that didn't come close to putting up Foster type numbers when he did get the job to himself.

In comment 11814205 YAJ2112 said:

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who had little to no role otherwise, stepped in for an injured stud and actually produced at a high level?

Why does a handcuff have to be someone with little to no role otherwise? Fred Jackson would have been a nice handcuff to have for CJ Spiller owners last year when CJ Spiller was rumored to run the ball until he puked. L Blount is a good handcuff to have for Le'Veon Bell, etc.

Again, I wouldn't weigh it too heavily...but I don't think it's dumb.

where do you see him going? I have Foster as a 2nd round grade...I would take him 2nd round if the tope Wrs are gone Dez, Aj, Marshall, Thomas

Just curious where everyone as him..

outscored Spiller last year, so he's no handcuff.

as was Jackson and/or spiller. Again, there are certainly times when it makes sense, but it's not something I often look to do unless it's the right situation. Like when you have a great system offense. Then the value has to be there and there isn't anyone on the board that I view as a starter.

In comment 11814225 YAJ2112 said:

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outscored Spiller last year, so he's no handcuff.

My point exactly.

You're using revisionist history. If you check their 2013 ADP, it will be obvious who the "handcuff" was.

I'd absolutely snatch him up if he fell to my 3rd pick though. Unless you pick top 3 in a 12 team league, then it might make sense in rd2.

It was pretty clear that Marrone intended to use 2 backs from the start, so Jackson was going to have value regardless of Spiller's production/health. Just b/c people undervalued Jackson in drafts doesn't mean he was a handcuff.

In comment 11814239 kmed said:

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I'd absolutely snatch him up if he fell to my 3rd pick though. Unless you pick top 3 in a 12 team league, then it might make sense in rd2.

Yeha i have him late second after Brees Rodgers and the wrs..I have Bernard, Murray and Martin ahead of him...

If i have one of the top 3 picks (wont know until draft day) he may be an option along with Nelson and Jeffery..

In comment 11814241 YAJ2112 said:

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It was pretty clear that Marrone intended to use 2 backs from the start, so Jackson was going to have value regardless of Spiller's production/health. Just b/c people undervalued Jackson in drafts doesn't mean he was a handcuff.

Actually thats not true...it was talkd about how Spiller would be the work horse and get the ball until he pukes..

Because he was expected to have a huge role, whether or not Fred Jackson had a role doesn't matter. Still constitutes as a handcuff, at least IMO.

I don't know where this notion that a RB has to have zero role whatsoever to be a handcuff. Maybe I just interpret what a handcuff is differently.

it didn't mean that Jackson wasn't going to get touches as well, it meant they were going to run the ball a lot.

kmed..

Top 5 QB's..

Peyton - 529 pts
Brees - 447 pts
Dalton - 374 pts
Rivers - 362 pts
Newton - 358 pts

Top 5 RB's..

Charles - 343 pts
McCoy - 304 pts
Forte - 300 pts
Moreno - 266 pts
Lynch - 257 pts

So there's a pretty big gap but there's also a huge dropoff between Peyton/Brees and the rest of the QB's.. the RB dropoff is obviously much less steep.

So. Like I said, I think if I am in a position to take Peyton, I would. But if not, I'd probably go RB and worry about QB later.

but Spillers adp was 8 and Jackson's was about 130. To a lesser extent, Knowshon Moreno last year.

he has some value to any team as a potential flex/bye week fill in, not just as a stash/hold guy in case the starter goes out. That's the difference to me.

And absolutely consider him a handcuff.

I think this is just a difference of opinion on the definition of what a handcuff is, which is fine.

In comment 11814259 arcarsenal said:

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kmed.. Top 5 QB's.. Peyton - 529 pts Brees - 447 pts Dalton - 374 pts Rivers - 362 pts Newton - 358 pts Top 5 RB's.. Charles - 343 pts McCoy - 304 pts Forte - 300 pts Moreno - 266 pts Lynch - 257 pts So there's a pretty big gap but there's also a huge dropoff between Peyton/Brees and the rest of the QB's.. the RB dropoff is obviously much less steep. So. Like I said, I think if I am in a position to take Peyton, I would. But if not, I'd probably go RB and worry about QB later.

arc, that's like my league, QB's are really valuable, but top end QB's are invaluable. I have the 6th pick and I'm contemplating Peyton in rd1(but leaning against it because I think I can get better value). If Brees is there with my 2nd pick, I can't see me passing him up. If Peyton and Brees are gone when I pick 2nd, I'll consider Rodgers.

That being said, if none of those situations pan out or if a stud WR falls to my 2nd pick(AJ Green, Dez, Marshall), I'm not taking a QB until like rd 7.

going into 2013, Spiller had an average draft position of 8 and Jackson had an average draft position of 133. Fred Jackson ended up as the 9th best RB in my league. He was absolutely a handcuff to Spiller.

He's neck and neck with Brees IMO. I'd pass on Peyton and go for either Brees or Rodgers in the 2nd if that's how your scoring is.

presented the following options:

1 - draft starter only (and draft other RB for bench)
2 - draft backup only (and have drafted other team's starter early)
3 - draft both starter/backup

I would always choose 1 or 2 (pending how I felt about the players involved) over 3. Choosing 1 or 2 gives me 2 potential starters in case of injury, option 3 wastes a roster spot to me as I will only have 1 potential starter each week.

I know they are going to throw a ton. I also know that they are going to continue throwing until the game is over. I also know that they play in a climate controlled environment. For those reasons, I have him slightly ahead of Rodgers.

how can he be a handcuff if Spiller was playing the whole time? It was a time share, not an either/or thing.

In comment 11814286 YAJ2112 said:

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how can he be a handcuff if Spiller was playing the whole time? It was a time share, not an either/or thing.

At the draft he was considered a handcuff. It turned into a timeshare both due to CJ Spillers injury and Fred Jackson performing well. You can't just use hindsight and say he wasn't a handcuff.

a handcuff is a backup who has no value outside of an injury or garbage time.

Its an overused label at this point. A guy like Fred Jackson is not a handcuff, he's a legit player who's going to produce regardless of Spiller.

In comment 11814269 kmed said:

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In comment 11814259 arcarsenal said: Quote: kmed.. Top 5 QB's.. Peyton - 529 pts Brees - 447 pts Dalton - 374 pts Rivers - 362 pts Newton - 358 pts Top 5 RB's.. Charles - 343 pts McCoy - 304 pts Forte - 300 pts Moreno - 266 pts Lynch - 257 pts So there's a pretty big gap but there's also a huge dropoff between Peyton/Brees and the rest of the QB's.. the RB dropoff is obviously much less steep. So. Like I said, I think if I am in a position to take Peyton, I would. But if not, I'd probably go RB and worry about QB later. arc, that's like my league, QB's are really valuable, but top end QB's are invaluable. I have the 6th pick and I'm contemplating Peyton in rd1(but leaning against it because I think I can get better value). If Brees is there with my 2nd pick, I can't see me passing him up. If Peyton and Brees are gone when I pick 2nd, I'll consider Rodgers. That being said, if none of those situations pan out or if a stud WR falls to my 2nd pick(AJ Green, Dez, Marshall), I'm not taking a QB until like rd 7.

Agreed, that's pretty much how I'm looking at it.

In comment 11814297 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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In comment 11814286 YAJ2112 said: Quote: how can he be a handcuff if Spiller was playing the whole time? It was a time share, not an either/or thing. At the draft he was considered a handcuff. It turned into a timeshare both due to CJ Spillers injury and Fred Jackson performing well. You can't just use hindsight and say he wasn't a handcuff.

I'm not using hindsight. I didn't consider him a handcuff at draft time last year.

Which as I said before, is perfectly fine. I see guys like L Blount, who is projected to have snaps/carries every game, a handcuff to Le'Veon Bell.

Just a difference of opinion is all.

My league is a PPR league, but gives bonuses for long TDs. Any TD is 6 points, Plus 3 points for a PaTD of 10 to 39 Yds and then Plus 6 points for a PaTD of 40+ Yds.

Peyton scored 809 points last year
Brees scored 681 points last year.

In comparison, Jamal Charles scored 413 points last year
while LeSean McCoy scored 391 points last year...

I have the first pick. Explain to me how I dont take Brees or Manning first overall....

Brees is who I think I am going with based on the Saints schedule and the fact Denver plays NFC West this year.

In comment 11814318 mac attack said:

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My league is a PPR league, but gives bonuses for long TDs. Any TD is 6 points, Plus 3 points for a PaTD of 10 to 39 Yds and then Plus 6 points for a PaTD of 40+ Yds. Peyton scored 809 points last year Brees scored 681 points last year. In comparison, Jamal Charles scored 413 points last year while LeSean McCoy scored 391 points last year... I have the first pick. Explain to me how I dont take Brees or Manning first overall.... Brees is who I think I am going with based on the Saints schedule and the fact Denver plays NFC West this year.

You have to compare Peyton/Brees numbers to the other QBs like Luck, Rivers, etc. Then you compare Charles/McCoys numbers to other RBs. It's not as simple as comparing the QB numbers to the RB numbers.

In comment 11814259 arcarsenal said:

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kmed.. Top 5 QB's.. Peyton - 529 pts Brees - 447 pts Dalton - 374 pts Rivers - 362 pts Newton - 358 pts Top 5 RB's.. Charles - 343 pts McCoy - 304 pts Forte - 300 pts Moreno - 266 pts Lynch - 257 pts So there's a pretty big gap but there's also a huge dropoff between Peyton/Brees and the rest of the QB's.. the RB dropoff is obviously much less steep. So. Like I said, I think if I am in a position to take Peyton, I would. But if not, I'd probably go RB and worry about QB later.

I look at it differently. If you have an elite QB and the scoring system favors QB's, you grab one and then you're set at that position. Every other position you can build stellar groups, so while you might not have an elite WR or RB you could have a stable of very good ones who are going to give you points and production every week.

I've won 4 fantasy titles in the last 6 years with this method (and made the championship game 5 times with 1 third place finish), but the scoring is heavily favored for QB's and I've had Brees and then Peyton as my QB's.

In comment 11814354 EricNY33 said:

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In comment 11814259 arcarsenal said: Quote: kmed.. Top 5 QB's.. Peyton - 529 pts Brees - 447 pts Dalton - 374 pts Rivers - 362 pts Newton - 358 pts Top 5 RB's.. Charles - 343 pts McCoy - 304 pts Forte - 300 pts Moreno - 266 pts Lynch - 257 pts So there's a pretty big gap but there's also a huge dropoff between Peyton/Brees and the rest of the QB's.. the RB dropoff is obviously much less steep. So. Like I said, I think if I am in a position to take Peyton, I would. But if not, I'd probably go RB and worry about QB later. I look at it differently. If you have an elite QB and the scoring system favors QB's, you grab one and then you're set at that position. Every other position you can build stellar groups, so while you might not have an elite WR or RB you could have a stable of very good ones who are going to give you points and production every week. I've won 4 fantasy titles in the last 6 years with this method (and made the championship game 5 times with 1 third place finish), but the scoring is heavily favored for QB's and I've had Brees and then Peyton as my QB's.

I mean, is there really a "too early" to take Peyton? I feel like taking him 1st is completely justifiable in a league like mine because the gap between he and the next best players is so much larger than any other position AND he's the top scorer overall.

To me, it seems like Peyton really should be the 1st pick in most formats because the logic supports it. But people are taking guys like McCoy and Charles before him for whatever reason.

It is a non-PPR and 4 points per TD league. I picked First.

If you are a season ticket holder the Giants are doing a fantasy league for just season ticket holders and if you win your league you get field passes for a Giants game in 2015.

Stafford

Peterson
Bernard
Rice
PIerce
Fred Jackson
Jeremy Hill

Julio Jones
Fitz
Hilton
Wayne

WItten
Kelce

Bucs

Bailey

In comment 11814374 robbieballs2003 said:

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It is a non-PPR and 4 points per TD league. I picked First. If you are a season ticket holder the Giants are doing a fantasy league for just season ticket holders and if you win your league you get field passes for a Giants game in 2015. Stafford Peterson Bernard Rice PIerce Fred Jackson Jeremy Hill Julio Jones Fitz Hilton Wayne WItten Kelce Bucs Bailey

I wouldnt of went Peterson 1 but not to bad...Bernard is a good 2nd RB and you have some good depth with Pierce and Jackson

Wr is not bad Jones and Fits should be good for you...hopefully Floyd continues to emerge for the Cardinals and keeps opening up the field for Fitz...Dont like have 2 receivers from the same team in Hilton and Wayne but both are good Wrs..Hilton is a deep threat and Wayne if healthy is stil very good..

stafford is good will have some bad games but will have very big games as well...

Overall not a bad team...

I went with AP because I heard he will be involved in the passing game more than he has so he can get a little extra yardage and he is consistent for TDs. I guess you can say I went with the safest choice imo for a non-PPR league. If it was a PPR league I would have chosen McCoy, Charles and Forte before Peterson.

I definitely don't like my receivers overall in this league but I only need to start 2 so I am fine with starting Jones and Fitz every week. I will have to try to work a trade for another WR if my backs work out.

with any of the top 4 backs in my opinion...I just like Forte, Charles and Mccoy better than AP...

I am guessing your draft went like this

AP
bernard/jones
Stafford/fitz
Witten/Rice
jackson/Hilton
Wayne/Pierce
Hill/Kelce
Bucs/Bailey

AP
Bernard/Jones
Stafford/Fitz
Rice/Hilton
WItten/Jackson
PIerce/Wayne
Hill/Kelce
Bucs/Bailey

The only reason I went with Rice high is because I knew I was going to get Pierce because he was listed so low. I figured I get both and have a monopoly on the Ravens running backs. With Kubiac there one of them is bound to break out. Fred Jackson just looks better than Spiller right now and is still getting the goal line work. I wanted Rudolph but he went earlier than expected so I went with Witten. There were some good TEs left after so I went with a huge upside guy in Kelce as a backup.

Do you go AP or Forte with the 3rd pick?

I'd go Peterson

Draft Kings or FanDuel and had any success doing so? I wanna try it.

but its still really close. Forte did just come off of a 1900 yard season. If PPR at all definitely Forte.

I dabbled in the daily sites a little last year and will be back in them again this year. They each have different lineup requirements/caps/scoring, I'll try to post a quick summary on them later tonight if I get time.

A few quick thoughts:
Avoid the higher stakes games, especially while you are starting out. It takes a few weeks to figure out how to best pick a winning lineup. You can enter a couple of the low fee tournaments a week, but you should really be sticking to just doing the double ups (ie half the field about doubles their money - play $5 to win $9 if you finish in the top half of the entries in that pool) and triple ups. Those are the best ways to win a little bit in the beginning. You can play around by entering a couple of different lineups, but don't spread yourself out too much.

They all offer 100% bonus matching dollars on your first deposit, don't get too excited about this because they only apply these at like a 1 or 5% rate - ie if you enter a $1 tourney, .99 will come out of your account balance and .01 out of your bonus.

It's fun, but it's a lot different than a season long league.

been following these... what are you guys rankings of say

Murray, Bernard, Ball, Bell, Ellington (in what order)?

so take whichever of those you prefer.

In comment 11814374 robbieballs2003 said:

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It is a non-PPR and 4 points per TD league. I picked First. If you are a season ticket holder the Giants are doing a fantasy league for just season ticket holders and if you win your league you get field passes for a Giants game in 2015. Stafford Peterson Bernard Rice PIerce Fred Jackson Jeremy Hill Julio Jones Fitz Hilton Wayne WItten Kelce Bucs Bailey

Love 10-team, it's my preference. That's a good team. Might need a backup QB, so maybe look at who is a good choice when DET has a bye instead of waiting.

Its a close call you guys are right.

In comment 11814814 DanMetroMan said:

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been following these... what are you guys rankings of say Murray, Bernard, Ball, Bell, Ellington (in what order)?

IMO in the exact order you listed.

In comment 11814812 YAJ2112 said:

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I dabbled in the daily sites a little last year and will be back in them again this year. They each have different lineup requirements/caps/scoring, I'll try to post a quick summary on them later tonight if I get time. A few quick thoughts: Avoid the higher stakes games, especially while you are starting out. It takes a few weeks to figure out how to best pick a winning lineup. You can enter a couple of the low fee tournaments a week, but you should really be sticking to just doing the double ups (ie half the field about doubles their money - play $5 to win $9 if you finish in the top half of the entries in that pool) and triple ups. Those are the best ways to win a little bit in the beginning. You can play around by entering a couple of different lineups, but don't spread yourself out too much. They all offer 100% bonus matching dollars on your first deposit, don't get too excited about this because they only apply these at like a 1 or 5% rate - ie if you enter a $1 tourney, .99 will come out of your account balance and .01 out of your bonus. It's fun, but it's a lot different than a season long league.

Thanks man! I thought about dabbling in it last year but I never did. I am always skeptical about these kinds of things. I am probably gonna jump in and do it and see what I can do.

I'm on both of those and Fanthrowdown as well... think I get some sort of referral bonus.

anyone think Andre Ellington breaks out and becomes a top 5 RB this season??

I am torn on keeping him for nothing vs using my first pick on Demaryious Thomas

I have #4 overall, 12 team PPR, 6pts all TDs.

Peyton, Brees, & Rodgers are the only QBs I would consider in the 1st 2 rounds. Let's Peyton is gone, do you draft Brees #4 overall?

Just trying to prepare if Peyton goes in the top 3.

In comment 11814935 drkenneth said:

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I have #4 overall, 12 team PPR, 6pts all TDs. Peyton, Brees, & Rodgers are the only QBs I would consider in the 1st 2 rounds. Let's Peyton is gone, do you draft Brees #4 overall? Just trying to prepare if Peyton goes in the top 3.

No, too high for a QB. Take the best RB on the board that catches the most passes since its PPR. Basically take Charles, McCoy, or Forte.

been traveling abroad for the past couple of weeks without internet, but now that I am back I was wondering if i missed Kmed posting the annual draft kit he gets from his friend?

In comment 11814935 drkenneth said:

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I have #4 overall, 12 team PPR, 6pts all TDs. Peyton, Brees, & Rodgers are the only QBs I would consider in the 1st 2 rounds. Let's Peyton is gone, do you draft Brees #4 overall? Just trying to prepare if Peyton goes in the top 3.

I'd take Peyton there in a heartbeat but I'd pass on Brees at 4 if Peyton was off the board.

but pass on QB there.

I love Forte, but I feel like he'll get hurt. CJ is a solid pick there I think.

If Peyton is off the board, it almost certainly means the first 3 picks were McCoy, Charles and Peyton.

So 4 is kind of a tough spot. Because the elite tier QB is gone and the 2 elite tier RB's are as well. You can go Calvin but by the time you get back to your pick, Brees will likely be gone which means you'll be looking RB and by then, 5-6 more top RB's will be gone and you could wind up in a crappy situation.

I'd probably take Forte or Peterson at 4 if McCoy, Charles and Peyton were off the board.

coming back around the big 3 QBs will likely be gone, as will the top 7-10 RBs. That leaves you with a reach on an RB or taking a Brandon Marshall if you are lucky.

Take Forte in a PPR at 4 and don't look back. He's a lock for 100 yards a game.

In comment 11814996 BleedingBlue2 said:

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been traveling abroad for the past couple of weeks without internet, but now that I am back I was wondering if i missed Kmed posting the annual draft kit he gets from his friend?

None this year.

I was just thinking earlier when I was giving advice on the 4th pick that I wouldn't want that pick.. and that's exactly the pick I just wound up with for my draft tonight.

League is .5 PPR. Assuming McCoy, Charles and Peyton are gone.. should Forte be my guy?

In comment 11815279 arcarsenal said:

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I was just thinking earlier when I was giving advice on the 4th pick that I wouldn't want that pick.. and that's exactly the pick I just wound up with for my draft tonight. League is .5 PPR. Assuming McCoy, Charles and Peyton are gone.. should Forte be my guy?

That's where I'm at as well.

how many people are down on AP. I think he's going to have a bounceback year under Norv.

to go off the board in a ppr league?
i sit at 5 and fear the top 4 RBs will be off the board. and its too early for QB. CJ or Graham?

In comment 11815344 hitdog42 said:

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to go off the board in a ppr league? i sit at 5 and fear the top 4 RBs will be off the board. and its too early for QB. CJ or Graham?

Lacy

But .5 PPR or PPR I think Forte is safer.

In comment 11815352 arcarsenal said:

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But .5 PPR or PPR I think Forte is safer.

Didn't Forte have a larger workload than AP last year?

And it was only because AP missed 2 games

And wound up with

Brees
Rivers

Forte
Morris
Tate
Pierce

Roddy
Michael Floyd
TY Hilton
Brandin Cooks
DeAndre Hopkins
Justin Hunter

(I didn't really care about D/ST or K)

It's hard to go by these, though.. there are always people who don't know what they're doing.

I feel like there are SO many good WR's, though.. RB thins out very fast.

I had Jordan Reed as my TE. I probably should have taken another one but I was just trying to get a feel for who would be available when

And I've even seen other backs not named forte, Charles, McCoy, Peterson go ahead of lynch which to me is crazy. Seattle will ride lynch again in 2014 and even if they lessen his carries a little bit, no lock mind you, he's still a safer bet than guys like lacy. Lacy could be a legit top 5... Could be. Lynch is.

I'd like to pick 5th in my league and get one of forte, Peyton or lynch . Then grab the stud WR on the way back. One of green, Marshall, Jeffrey, brown, etc will be there.

I'd kind of love forte...4th. That(4th) to me Might be the best value slot in this draft although I do have a sneaking suspicion that Peterson has one of those epic seasons this year. Thing is every time I draft Peterson I win titles. How do I ignore him... But he's older.

The person who picked 3rd took Forte.

I was SO close to taking Peyton but it's alright because I snagged Brees in the back end of the 2nd rd (and I think he could potentially be the top fantasy QB this year. Peyton isn't going to replicate last year)

For the love of JC- these GD rankings are not a script from the bible.

Much like real tackle football we see every weekend, there are those that rise/sink based on the observation of the viewer.

Whether Forte is #3 or Lacy is #5- is it ever really that clinical?

If you're sitting on the toilet constantly stressing over which player to take at #7...jeesh.

Chances are the player you passed on and was drafted at #11- will out perform your pick.

I form my own draft board based on the scoring settings and if I finish in first...great. Miss the play-offs- oh fucking well.

This is supposed to be a diversion- not an extension of our office power trips. JFC.

In comment 11815576 jc in c-ville said:

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For the love of JC- these GD rankings are not a script from the bible. Much like real tackle football we see every weekend, there are those that rise/sink based on the observation of the viewer. Whether Forte is #3 or Lacy is #5- is it ever really that clinical? If you're sitting on the toilet constantly stressing over which player to take at #7...jeesh. Chances are the player you passed on and was drafted at #11- will out perform your pick. I form my own draft board based on the scoring settings and if I finish in first...great. Miss the play-offs- oh fucking well. This is supposed to be a diversion- not an extension of our office power trips. JFC.

Stop drinking?

What rankings are you even talking about anyway?

There's a big gap after the 1-4 RBs IMO. If you think otherwise that's fine but your entire tantrum made no sense whatsoever.

Finished my draft last night for the 1st (lesser) of the 2 leagues I'm in. Like I said last night, I wound up taking Peterson with my 1st pick (4th overall).. the first 3 picks were Charles, McCoy, Forte. I knew there was going to be a major run on RB's early so as tempting as it was to take Peyton at 4, I just couldn't do it and I'm glad I didn't.. because my RB1 would have been weak. Lacy, Bernard, Murray, Lynch all came off the board before my 2nd pick.

10 teams, .5 PPR, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 W/R/T, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 6 Bench spots

QB: D.Brees
BN: C. Kaepernick

RB: A. Peterson
RB: A. Morris
BN: J. Bell
BN: B. Pierce

WR: V. Jackson
WR: M. Floyd
BN: B. Cooks
BN: T. Williams
BN: J. Hunter

TE: J. Reed
BN: C. Clay

D/ST: KC
K: Hauschka

during these discussions. No clue what he's blabbing about.

and who else was available? Love the first 2 picks, any time you can start with a stud RB and top tier QB, you are in the discussion.

In comment 11815678 arcarsenal said:

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Finished my draft last night for the 1st (lesser) of the 2 leagues I'm in. Like I said last night, I wound up taking Peterson with my 1st pick (4th overall).. the first 3 picks were Charles, McCoy, Forte. I knew there was going to be a major run on RB's early so as tempting as it was to take Peyton at 4, I just couldn't do it and I'm glad I didn't.. because my RB1 would have been weak. Lacy, Bernard, Murray, Lynch all came off the board before my 2nd pick. 10 teams, .5 PPR, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 W/R/T, 1 K, 1 D/ST, 6 Bench spots QB: D.Brees BN: C. Kaepernick RB: A. Peterson RB: A. Morris BN: J. Bell BN: B. Pierce WR: V. Jackson WR: M. Floyd BN: B. Cooks BN: T. Williams BN: J. Hunter TE: J. Reed BN: C. Clay D/ST: KC K: Hauschka

Not bad at all Arc...Ap and Morris is a good combo at RB...you got 2 WRs that will score TDs and i like your back up Wrs both guy shave big upside...Cooks is really liked in NO...

reed has the chance to be a top 5 TE....

My question did you take Morris 3rd round or 4th round..

Morris/V Jax/Floyd at 3/4/5

but I'm more curious who else was available. I don't really like the team to be honest and I have the same strategy with my first 2 picks. I don't love Morris this year, specifically in a PPR league. He was very effective in the read option offense, but they are getting away from that and passing more from the pocket. He's not going to catch any balls at all either. I don't like VJax, I don't like Floyd and he really lacks upside from his other WR's. I think Reed will be ok, but I also think people are overstating his value. I can see him as a top 5 TE, but the 5th ranked TE still doesn't score enough pts to be a difference maker.

I doubt I would have gone Morris there (or VJax if that was the pick)

Thanks.. YAJ has it right.

I felt like I was taking Morris a little soon, it was between he, Martin and Stacy. In retrospect, maybe I should have gone Martin but I just really like Morris this year for some reason and feel like he's slightly undervalued. I think if RGIII is healthy again (we'll see how long that lasts), things will open up and Morris can have a year closer to his rookie year again where he was a horse.

You know he's going to get plenty of touches, so.

I'm banking on Floyd really breaking out this year. I mean, he sort of did already down the stretch last year but the way Arians loves to go downfield I am really thinking he can have a legit WR1 type year.

And everyone is raving about Cooks so I was glad I snatched him up as well.

At the point I took VJax..

These guys were all off the board:

CJ
Thomas
Dez
AJ
Julio
Marshall
Jeffery
Nelson
Brown
Welker
Cobb

It was between VJax and Roddy. Vjax has been a rock. He produces every year. I almost took Roddy but I felt more comfortable going VJ

Morris?

I can see VJax over Roddy in a .5PPR. And I like having Pierce/Bell on your bench. I would have preferred a WR over Morris though and then you could have picked up an upside RB later like a West or Freeman. You could roll out Pierce for the first 2 weeks and then start Bell until you find a better option.

He's not PPR gold, but he's going to have another great year under his belt. Doug Martin is too risky with that god awful OL. I'm not the biggest Zac Stacy fan. It's difficult for me to take RBs in inept offenses.

Choosing between VJax, Roddy White, and Pierre Garcon were one of my concerns going into the draft. VJax was gone so I went with Roddy, but truthfully I think I would have went with Roddy anyway. You said VJax is a rock, but so has Roddy White except for most of last year where he had that injury.

I also like the fact that Atlanta has a defense made up of hot garbage and the Falcons will be forced to sling it.

mocks I have done I see Rivers lasting until rounds 8-9. He was the 4th best FF QB last year and nothing has changed in his offense heading into this season.

I'd be thrilled if the QB I take late ends up being Rivers. Then i'd back him up with a guy like Wilson. That's a combo.

Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old.

was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

If you wanted to go WR, the 3 WR who went between me taking Morris and VJ were Cobb, Welker and Andre (Welker and Andre seemed a little reachy to me where they went)

Had Jeffery or Nelson been there, I probably would have taken one of them. I really had my eye on Jeffery with that pick but he went with the 1st pick of the 3rd rd (so he went 3 picks before me)

In comment 11815813 pjcas18 said:

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Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old. was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

Michael Floyd isn't 33, you're thinking Malcom Floyd (who arc didn't draft).

In comment 11815813 pjcas18 said:

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Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old. was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

He took Michael Floyd, not Malcom.

In comment 11815813 pjcas18 said:

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Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old. was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

pj, it's Michael Floyd (ARZ) not Malcom (SD).. if I had taken Malcom there someone should have shot me. Haha.

that's a much better pick.

Also, for comparison sake..

The guy who took Peyton in rd 1 took AJ in rd 2 and he ended up with Jennings and Vereen as his RB1 and RB2. I wouldn't feel good about that RB situation at all even though he got Peyton/AJ

Like, I would much rather have Brees/Peterson/VJax than Peyton/AJ/Jennings

I apologize and perhaps it is a result of my co-workers (in two of my leagues)constant, constant over-analysis of the rankings.

My point is simply that yes, within each position, you have the cream of the crop with Manning/Brees, Charles/McCoy, CJ/DT- etc.

After that, it truly is a crap shoot with say RB's 4-8, etc.

Many tend to fall victim to this every year as all of us are subjected to the rankings of players after the draft/free agency, through the summer, leading up to September. We have players rising/falling based on...namely, some FF writer on a keyboard and it is taken as gospel.

I just think many over-think the pre-draft process and stress over 'what to do with the #6 pick'.

When the 2014 FF season is over, the point leaders at each position ( QB is the biggest exception)will look different than they were projected. Simply, at RB, it will not read Charles, McCoy, Forte, 4,5,6...

I suppose I'm just taking exception to those I have to listen to daily rant on about so and so is ranked higher so therefore, by rule, that player is going to put up better numbers than his counterpart ranked three slots lower.

It rarely works out that way.

Apologize that I stated my opinion so aggressively here last night from work as my frustration is centered on my co-workers driving me bat-shit-fucking crazy with our upcoming drafts.

If he was really the best option, I may have gone Gronk or Julius at that point. I agree on not being as high on Cobb/Welker/Andre in a .5 PPR

Because of this 3rd year WR phenomena. I see him more of a low end WR2/high upside WR3 type of guy. I owned him last year, and those few killer games he had were against garbage defenses (Colts, Jags, Eagles). He was extremely inconsistent last year.

I think TY Hilton is a safer bet and he's going a round or 2 later.

Michael Floyd has the skillset to make my opinion look silly right now though. We'll see.

nice team. I really like your QB/RB/RB combo. Your WR's are an uncertainty, but they are chock full of potential. Lot of nice upside there. If they come through, your league better watch out.

I like Morris as your 2nd RB. I think he's going to have a good year now that Washington has a more conventional offense.

He was great in the read option offense, but he's a complete unknown in a more traditional passing offense where teams don't need to key on RGMe running as much. He's also a terrible pass catcher so he will need lots of TD's to make up for that. I would not be drafting him in the 3rd and I probably would have taken a WR with that pick.

at 5.4, he did take Floyd as a low WR2

Reason I really like Floyd is because as great as Fitz has been, he's getting a bit older now. He's going into his 11th year. Did score 10 times last year but hasn't hit 1,000 yards since 2011. I think Floyd could legitimately wind up the #1 there this season.

kmed.. like I said, I def would have gone Alshon if he was there, he's really who I had my eye on. I just felt like it was too early to take Cobb, Welker, Andre, Roddy, K. Allen, etc. And if I passed on Morris I would have been looking at guys like Rashad Jennings, Reggie Bush or Vereen as my RB2. I didn't feel great about that.

Wasn't really referring to Arc's team specifically.

There has just been a ton of buzz for Michael Floyd as a fantasy guy. Everyone is anticipating that big leap.

and I tried taking Jimmy Graham with the 6th overall pick. I gotta say, I love my team, but I think it had more to do with bad drafters because AJ Green fell to me in the 2nd and Rodgers in the 3rd.

Am I crazy for considering Graham 6 overall if charles, mccoy, forte, AP and Calvin are gone? I'm not taking Lacy, I don't like any other RB's enough that high(I'll consider Lynch) and I'm planning on taking a QB with my 2nd pick.

You guys talk a lot about snake drafts.

Have you tried doing auction drafts?

Last year I did my first auction and can't go back to snake

I'm counting on that big leap. Floyd is a keeper on my team. Can't wait for our draft on September 2.

but I'm not sure this kid will have the opps. Fitz is still in his prime and he's going to be the first option. Seems like Ellington is going to be a major player too.

Peyton or Graham are your only options if it shakes out that way. Demaryius would also be an option, but that's too early for my liking.

kmed, the guy in my league took Graham 7th.

Here's his team:

Romo
Roethlisberger

Murray
Martin
Gore
Sproles

Cobb
Edelman
Crabtree
Randle
Austin

Graham
Bennett

but I probably would have done a lot of things different as he's filled with guys that I wouldn't want. Did he have the option of getting Peyton, Brees or Rodgers in rd 2?

Yup, he could have taken Brees or Rodgers. He picked 3 slots before me in the 2nd rd and I wound up with Brees at 17th overall.

12 team league

Jay Cutler

Larry Fitz
Torrey Smith
Brandin Cooks
Anquan Boldin
Miles Austin
Josh Gordon

Gio Bernard
Doug Martin
Joique Bell
Ray Rice
Bradshaw

Jimmy Graham

.

I don't like Martin. I'm starting to consider the idea of Graham at 6 if my top 5 are off the board. I've come a long way from day 1.

AGF, yeah, I agree. 12 team is a bit different but Cutler as my 1st QB and Fitz as my WR1 I wouldn't be thrilled with at all. Even in a 12 team.

but they also drafted guys in the early rounds that I want no part of. I'd have to know who was available when they picked to really give a fair opinion.

Looking at that team actually makes me feel a hell of a lot better about my team, haha.

Kmed, are you in a 10 or 12 team league? If it's a 10 team you should be able to snag Brees/Rodgers in the 2nd.

you miss the top QB, a top 3 tier RB, and a top 2 tier WR. You lose points in the long run unless you hit a HR or 2 in the later rounds.

Add in my personal opinion of a number of TE's having great seasons, and I wouldn't touch Graham until maybe 9th/10th.

I'm fairly confident that I can get one of the QB's and if for some reason all 3 are gone, other great players will have to have dropped to me(Dez, AJ Green, Lynch).

I don't like Lacy at all at 6, I think he's extremely overvalued so I'm not missing out on a top tier RB(although I do like Lynch and would consider him). I'm confident I can get a top tier QB with my 2nd pick and I'm confident that there will be stud WR's available in rds 3 and 4.

In general, people are paying for his potential and aren't getting any value from it by taking him as early as I've seen him go.

but reality is that their ceiling is nowhere even close to Grahams average season. There are 2 guys that can possibly come close to Grahams projected season and they are Thomas and Gronk and Gronk is a major injury question mark and Thomas is going in the 3rd.

is that while there is a big gap between him and most of the other TEs, the total points he scores is lower than your top RB/WR/QB. So you have the draft has to fall almost perfectly for you after taking Graham to make up those total points that you miss by passing on a top RB/WR/QB.

In comment 11815893 kmed said:

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I don't like Lacy at all at 6, I think he's extremely overvalued so I'm not missing out on a top tier RB(although I do like Lynch and would consider him). I'm confident I can get a top tier QB with my 2nd pick and I'm confident that there will be stud WR's available in rds 3 and 4.

What WR will be available at pick #26?

Right now I'm picking #1 and have been mocking Charles, then maybe Jeffrey/Brown being available at 24.

which means its less to worry about. If you wait until round 3 to get your first RB or WR, I think you are screwed.

There are a couple of spots where you can take advantage of a huge tier gap. It's at QB by taking Peyton or Brees (Rodgers is the one guy who sits firmly between those 2 and the next group) and at TE by taking Graham. I definitely think those particular players give your team a noticeable advantage as long as you fill out the rest of your team properly.

you'll be okay because they just score a ton of points in most leagues, so you don't have as much ground to make up at the other spots.

What scares me about taking Graham around 6 or 7 or whatever is that if for some reason the top 3 QB's are off the board by your next pick, you're probably going to go stud WR.. which is all well and good but then you still have no QB OR RB.. and if you're just starting to take those in rd 3 it could get dicey. I don't know if I'd want to be in that sitch.

In my league Graham scored 283 pts last year which would have put him 3rd in WR's behind Thomas and Gordon. He scored more fantasy pts than Calvin, AJ Green and everyone else. That's a massive advantage.

WR's available in rd3....I'm hoping a guy like Antonio Brown falls, but Cobb, Allen, Cruz will all likely be available. Plus I will like WR's that will be available in rd's 4 and 5 too.

it's a pts league, I don't care about balance and needing to have a stud WR, RB, QB. I just want the best players and I'll fill the holes as the season goes on(if the draft doesn't shake out in my favor). Starting a team with Graham and Dez is not a bad thing at all.

there's a very real chance that in round 2, Brees and Rodgers, and possibly Marshall are all gone.

how did the team that drafted Graham do last year?

It's not but I'd much rather start it with Graham and Brees/Rodgers

I feel like WR is so deep and there are so many potential breakout guys you'll be able to get a hold of. I also just feel like this is a year where you really want to try and get a hold of 1 dependable, load carrying RB. I wouldn't want to get stuck with an RB1 who doesn't even get goal line carries.

I have a clear cut top 15, so if all 3 QB's are taken, I'm still getting a top tier guy on my rankings.

Charles
Mccoy
Forte
Peyton
Calvin
Graham
AP
D. Thomas
Dez
AJ Green
Brees
Lynch
Marshall
Rodgers
Lacy

So if all QB's go before my 2nd pick, sign me up for any of those other guys who will be there.

the 4th-7th round range. I'm not going to reach for a RB early that I don't like when there are WR's who will score more pts.

I keep forgetting your in a 10 team lague. Certainly less risky for you.

What RB's are you targeting 4-7?

Arc, you have a massive advantage getting stud WR's because of their low injury rate, IMO. WR is only deep because 2-3 play on the field at the same time in a passing league. The top tier still inherit the most targets and that's who I want.

he didn't make the playoffs(finished 6-7), but it wasn't because of Graham, he made some terrible decisions after drafting Graham 10 overall. Specifically Brady and Amendola in rds 3 and 4

I really like Jennings. I like him in the 5th much mroe than the 4th, but he's an option there depending on how the first 3 rounds shake out. A guy going in the 7 range that I like is Tate. He's going to be the man in that offense and I expect him to be a solid fantasy RB. Other starting RB's going that late are Chris Johnson, Gore, Fred Jackson to name a few.

I'm still not convinced either way on Graham. I lean towards not taking him usually, but I can't argue with those that do.

In the end, it's all about team construction. Each league is different (scoring systems/starting rosters/etc). You should figure out how many points (on average) you think you need to score weekly to have a good chance to win the average game in your league. If by taking Graham, you can still build the rest of your team to exceed that average weekly total then go for it.

UConn.. injuries can happen to anyone, though. Obviously it helps to have a legit #1 guy who gets a ton of targets. I always love a guy like Brandon Marshall because he's always amassed so many targets and catches over the years.. but my point is, of all the positions, WR is the most likely to produce diamonds in the rough just based on volume and the way the league is.

I'd feel better about having an elite, top tier RB than a top tier WR.

Also, I think Tate in the 7th is great value but his staying healthy definitely concerns me a bit. I was looking at him in the 6th but took Joique Bell instead.

In comment 11815956 arcarsenal said:

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UConn.. injuries can happen to anyone, though. Obviously it helps to have a legit #1 guy who gets a ton of targets. I always love a guy like Brandon Marshall because he's always amassed so many targets and catches over the years.. but my point is, of all the positions, WR is the most likely to produce diamonds in the rough just based on volume and the way the league is. I'd feel better about having an elite, top tier RB than a top tier WR.

Right, but unless you are getting a top 4 RB I see the value drop off significantly.

I see a top 4, then I see a 2nd tier that I like, but not more than the top tier WRs. I like AJ Green, Dez, Thomas and Marshall more than Bell, bernard, Ellington.

I love Tate in the 7th/8th rounds. He's only missed 8 games in 3 years, but he's never been the man. There's def some risk, but I think he's a good gamble in that spot. He's going to be Clevelands workhorse.

I would still probably take a dude like Lynch over those WR's. Maybe Lacy. The RB's slope a lot harder than the WR's do.

I have him right up there with those WR's. Lacy is another story, but I understand that my opinion of him is not shared by many.

but if not, as of today, a few guys that are on my radar....Graham, Peyton, D. Thomas and Lynch. I will change my mind about 10 more times between now and next thursday when we draft.

you probably can't go wrong with any of those guys. Just make sure you have an idea of how you are going attack the rest of the draft based on which guy you end up picking and you'll be fine.

I'm more on your side of the fence about Lacy, honestly.

Like, if I had 6th pick and Charles, McCoy, Forte, Peterson and Lynch all got drafted, I'd be pretty hesitant to take Lacy. I don't think the value matches up.

I'm going Calvin.

Lynch is a guy that could fall to my 15th pick.

It would take me less than 1 second to take Lynch at 15. He went at 11 in my league.

If I got Calvin at 6 and then lynch was sitting there at 15, I'd be up at the draft board in a matter of seconds. He was my 1st pick last year(8th) and he helped carry me to a championship. I owe him at least that much!

so I wouldn't put him in the convo of who i'd pick from in round 2. Like kmed said, all those WR's over those RB's for me in round 2.

I really want to take Tate, I just feel like there's no chances he lasts to round 7 in any 12 round league. Am I crazy for taking him with the 50th pick? He'd be in the bunch with Sankey, Bell, Rice, etc.

rather. Probably not 10 team either.

Is this injury serious?

Have the 2nd pick and debating between him, McCoy, AP, and Manning.

In comment 11816313 dep026 said:

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Is this injury serious? Have the 2nd pick and debating between him, McCoy, AP, and Manning.

Apparently all tests were negative, Reid saying he's fine. So damn annoying. Having the #1 pick sucks this year, would much rather have 3 for the first 2 rounds.

In comment 11816125 kmed said:

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I have him right up there with those WR's. Lacy is another story, but I understand that my opinion of him is not shared by many.

You are low on lacy??

I think I'm just not as high as most. I don't see him as a top 5 pick. I have him as my 15th ranked player and my 6th RB overall. He was great last year, but it was also a year where Rodgers missed significant time and they had to change their whole offense from a passing offense to a running offense. I think he'll be good because he's talented and he's the only RB in Green Bay, but I don't love him like most do.

In comment 11816313 dep026 said:

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Is this injury serious? Have the 2nd pick and debating between him, McCoy, AP, and Manning.

He dropped a box on his foot and it bruised.

Annoying but non serious.

how do you view Trent this year? Bounce back or bust? I view him as a poor man's Eddie Lacy and he is likely going to be BPA when I pick in the 5th round for my flex rb. Does he have RB2/1 upside? Would you take Shane Vereen in a half ppr over Trent? Reach for Lamar Miller there?

I'm not targetting Trent at all. I guess if he falls to rd 7 or something where his value is too good to pass up, I'd consider it, but I'm not high on him at all. I've been so unimpressed with his running style and how slow he is to hit holes that I don't see that changing. I think AB will be the better RB option until he gets hurt.

how do you rank

Trent Richardson
Toby Gerhart
Steven Jackson
Shane Vereen
Lamar Miller
Bishop Sankey
MJD

In comment 11816565 Mr. Nickels said:

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how do you rank Trent Richardson Toby Gerhart Steven Jackson Shane Vereen Lamar Miller Bishop Sankey MJD

Sankey
Gerhart
Vereen
MJD
Richardson
Miller
Jackson

Gerhart
Vereen
Miller
Sankey
Jackson
MJD
Richardson

but i'd probably have Richardson a few slots higher and Miller a few lower. That being said, I'm not targetting any of those guys.

but its for flex. Even though I always try and find a stud to flex. Last year I took Lacy early (we draft late) and he worked out well. Year before I added Alfred Morris prior to kickoff and rode him all year.

Some are torn on Toby saying he benefits from AP weakening the D. He is supposed to be a workhorse no? Some say he won't be.

great top 5 offense should get most carries and goal line work. Don't trust Bradshaw to stay healthy. Trent was hurt last year (broken shoulder torn) and dealt mid season too. He does still look kind of slow. But he is never going to be a burner. He is TD heavy back.

i don't want to be that guy that regrets it. He can of course surprise but the more time goes by, the more the reports on him sound bad.

Vereen
Gerhart
MJD

Miller
Jackson

Richardson






Sankey

In comment 11816648 YAJ2112 said:

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Vereen Gerhart MJD Miller Jackson Richardson Sankey

Yep.

I like Sankey and think he is going to be a steal this year...dont see Greene staying healthy all year and Sankey is good out of the back field and Locker likes to dump the ball off...

I think Sankey will surprise a lot of people..

.

I have the 10th pick overall in a 12 team .5 ppr league

I am talking to the team picking 4th about the following trade:

I give him my 1st (10th overall) and 6th (63rd overall) for his 2nd (21st overall) and 3rd (45th overall). In addition we would swap 4th (he gets my 39th, I get his 45th)

This gives me:

15, 21, 28, 34, 45..... instead of 10, 15,34, 39, 58


Is this a trade worth entertaining? I think he is making out slightly, but I like having 5 picks in the top 45. Thoughts?

not 45th

I was considering Sankey in the 6th rd... it was he or J. Bell. Guy 2 slots ahead of me made the call for me and took Sankey and I was kind of glad he did. Even though Bush is going to get his touches, it sounds like Bell is going to get more of the work and will be the goal line guy, so.

Something about Sankey just makes me feel like he's not going to be very good.

will be good or not, but it seems like he's being given a lofty draft status (for a rookie RB) solely because he's being given the #1 RB spot.

I've watched some Redskins games and I know they have a crowded backfield, but man Lache Seastrunk can run the ball. Not saying to draft him, but if he gets a chance (and Alfred Morris was also a 6th round pick I believe), he can do some things.

BUT.. if I had taken him, I would have had to make my team name "Do the Sankey Leg"

so the question would be is the player at 10 you're passing on 18 spots better than the one you take at 21?

AJ or Dez. At 21 I would hope to get Jordy...

If I can get him to drop the swap of 4's, I think I do it. If he insists on keeping the 4s swap, I might see if he is willing to swap 5th rounders. We are instituing keepers going forward in the 5th round or later, so those 6 spots could be helpful

for you in that deal. Basically stripping your team of any chance at Graham, Peyton, a top tier WR, and most of the good RBs.

Depth is great, but you still want the heavy hitters.

(Or Legarette Blount)

Just googled "Le'Veon Bell" to check what the fuck you were talking about.

This blows.

For the record, I fucking chose him over Gio Bernard.

Fuck.

in my league has Bell as a keeper, first offense, no suspension?

or because it's DUI plus pot a couple games?

Hoping for the best. As some here have noticed, I am incredibly weak at RB. This will blow horsecock if he gets suspended at all.

before my 2nd pick now...

or is Jay Cutler being really underrated? ESPN has his ADP as 15th among QBs and 107 overall. The Bears have one of the top 1-2 WR combos, a solid TE, good receiving RB, and an overall good offense.

Last year they had something like the 4th most passing yards and 5th most TDs. It was well below Peyton/Brees, but right in the mix with the other top passing offenses. If you combine Cutler/McCown from last year, that's the #3 fantasy QB. That's not entirely fair because other guys missed games, but still it would be great value.

Are people that worried about injury? Regression? I think some of it is that the Bears haven't had a fantasy relevant QB, really, ever.

has only thrown for 4000 yards once and hasn't played 16 games since his 2009. I think there are huge trust issues with people and drafting Cutler, and I can't blame them.

That said something has to give, either Marshall/Jeffrey/Forte are being drafted to high or Cutler is being drafted too low.

Just in general wont get into full team but
I have Cutler at QB right now, pretty stacked team all around except QB, basically waited till last round for him and someone proposed me

Stafford and Fitz for Jordy

we have to start 3 WR I have antonio brown, wayne, jordy...

Id upgrade huge at QB but I think Jordy is so damn consistent in a PPR

In comment 11817560 CruzShip52 said:

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Just in general wont get into full team but I have Cutler at QB right now, pretty stacked team all around except QB, basically waited till last round for him and someone proposed me Stafford and Fitz for Jordy we have to start 3 WR I have antonio brown, wayne, jordy... Id upgrade huge at QB but I think Jordy is so damn consistent in a PPR

I would stick with what you got right now to be honest...If Cutler can stay healthy he has 4 good weapons in the passing game and possibly 5 with the addition of Holmes if he can stay on the straight and narrow...

People have said "why not Jay Cutler" for fantasy. But he never really winds up being a top fantasy QB.

I think he's worthy of rostering as a QB2 but I wouldn't want him as the guy I'm starting every week.

I need to pickup a defense for week 1. It's always tough the first couple of weeks because the shitty teams don't realize they are shitty yet and are running on fumes.

I still think picking a defense against Jax, St. Louis, NYJ, HOU, NYG is a fairly safe bet. I'm personally really down on that St. Louis offense, I think they are going to be ugly. I think Giants are going to be ugly too, but I'm going with my heart on this one and will give them a pass.

Philly D vs Jax

Detroit vs NYG

Minny @ St. Louis

OAK @ NYJ

WAS @ Hou

Pittsburgh vs Cleveland

I don't think Jacksonville is going to be as bad offensively this year with Bortles, but they certainly aren't starting off guns blazing either. I think I'm just going to go with Philly at home vs. a rookie QB and a white RB.

Thoughts?

starting?

Out of those options I'd probably go Detroit or Pitt.

It was an open competition. Bortles has been getting first team reps in practice. Either way though, the QB situation doesn't look great for week 1.

D if you can get them.

I have a feeling they will be LEGIT this year even before Browner returns.

they get Wilfork and Tommy Kelly back, plys Jerod Mayo, added Revis and Will Smith to go with Chandler Jones.

they will have a NASTY D and good punt returner in Edelman and KR in Vereen/White.

the first 8 weeks the Pats play questionable offenses at best. Week 1 is Miami, and Miami can't run and revis takes away half the field.

Most people are jumping early on Seattle D, even SF, but New England might surprise some people.

or take Luck or Stafford in late 4 or 5th? In one mock I picked up Rodgers with my 15th pick since Manning and Brees were taken. Ended up with R.White in the 5th Rd. In another draft I picked up Stafford in the early 5th and picked up D.Thomas in the 2nd 18th overall.

Though I'd probably wait even longer for a QB. What's the difference in points between Stafford/Luck and Dalton/Rivers/Newton/Romo/etc? All of those guys were within ~30 pts in my league last year and you can probably get the latter 4 a few rounds after Luck/Stafford.

In comment 11817912 Miami_JintsFan said:

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or take Luck or Stafford in late 4 or 5th? In one mock I picked up Rodgers with my 15th pick since Manning and Brees were taken. Ended up with R.White in the 5th Rd. In another draft I picked up Stafford in the early 5th and picked up D.Thomas in the 2nd 18th overall.

Brees, yes. Rodgers I don't think I would.

I took Brees in the 2nd rd of my draft and could have taken Roddy. I took VJax instead, though.

I think Stafford will have a really good year, BUT.. the difference between Brees/Stafford is likely greater than the difference between Thomas and Roddy/VJ + whoever else may be on the board.

to get Stafford later.

I like D.Thomas and Stafford, better than Brees and White. The Saints just can't run and that's good and bad I guess.

and this is possibly impacted by the fact I owned Roddy White with a 2nd round pick last year and he was injured or dog shit all year.q

You have me convinced. Unless its Manning late 1 or Brees in 2. Ill just wait for Ryan, Romo, RG3, Brady later.

he helped me win the BBI title

over 80 balls a year since 2007, except for last year when he got injured. If he plays 16 games, he a lock for 80/1200/6, IMO.

I also think Rodgers is worthy of a 2nd rd pick and he's lighyears ahead of the next tier of QB's. I'll be targetting one of the top 3 QB's with my 2nd round pick.

. I have the 2nd pick in this years draft.

My team should have been much better.

AP
McCoy
Doug Martin
Roddy White
Hakeem Nicks
Andrew Luck
etc.
but it wasn't I lost almost every week. Mostly because of White and Nicks, and of course Martin got hurt.

Maybe I'm crazy or maybe biased because I have him but I think there's a pretty reasonable chance that Brees winds up being the top fantasy QB this year.

Not sure why he won't continue to do what he did last year, but I have Brees 2nd. I expect Peyton to regress(fantasy wise) slightly, but only because he put up the best season in history last year. Not sure why he won't do it again. He's got insane weapons. He's hungry after last seasons SB.

I think either way, it's going to be very close. Peyton will have another great year but he's not going to throw 55 TD passes again. They'll probably both be in the 45 range, IMO.

reason to consider Brees surpassing Peyton is the dome.

Half their road games are in domes or warm weather climates too.

they play at Chicago, Pitt, Tampa, Carolina, and Cleveland (in Sep) that aren't domes.

I think Peyton regresses and Brees stays are his same level making it close.

Aaron Rodgers, if he can stay healthy could challenge them.

Wild card is Brady. with Gronk, Amendola and Vereen healthy (who wants to make a bet on that?), the addition of LaFell, White, and Dobson back I can see Brady moving back into elite fantasy territory.

He's going to throw for 5k yards and 45 TD's with a limited amount of INT's. My money is on Peyton having the better year, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if Brees was right there or better. I see both and Rodgers putting up great stats.

He's going really late in the mocks I've done, sometimes in rd 8. Seems like once the first wave of QB's passes in rd's 1 and 2 and then the second round of QB's pass in rounds 4 and 5, guys like Brady, Cam, Romo, Foles, Ryan, Rivers are falling to rd 8 and later.

In comment 11818036 pjcas18 said:

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reason to consider Brees surpassing Peyton is the dome. Half their road games are in domes or warm weather climates too. they play at Chicago, Pitt, Tampa, Carolina, and Cleveland (in Sep) that aren't domes. I think Peyton regresses and Brees stays are his same level making it close. Aaron Rodgers, if he can stay healthy could challenge them. Wild card is Brady. with Gronk, Amendola and Vereen healthy (who wants to make a bet on that?), the addition of LaFell, White, and Dobson back I can see Brady moving back into elite fantasy territory.

It would make sense re: Brady because I had him last year and probably won't have him this year.

but I think he can def be a good 2nd tier QB. He was the 14th ranked QB last year and it's not like they've added Randy Moss or anything. I can see him being top 5, but not top 3, but that's just me.

and why he hasn't been very active in the offseason. Probably doesn't change where I rank him but its definitely something to look out for.

In comment 11818050 kmed said:

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but I think he can def be a good 2nd tier QB. He was the 14th ranked QB last year and it's not like they've added Randy Moss or anything. I can see him being top 5, but not top 3, but that's just me.

top 5, whatever, a good value pick QB, they had games last year when his receivers were UDFA kenbrell thompkins, aaron dobson, and julian edelman.

I think Brady improves a ton making him a guy I target who you can get late (as long as you're not in New England).

top 5. Top tier is Peyton, brees and Rodgers and I think all 3 will score 100 more pts than the 4th rated QB which is why I said no to top tier. I think he's got great value where he's being drafted in teh mocks that I've done.

Brady will fall in the 5-10 range this year, IMO. Probably right in the middle of it.

as absolute as some of you make it.

Aaron Rodgers was many people's #1 last year. Everyone liked Peyton, but no one expected 55 TD's and 5500 yards - or you're a liar.

So, yeah, top tier, top 5 whatever I guarantee your top tier doesn't wind up the top 3 QB's or however many you have in your tier.

But Brees and Rodgers is tomato and tomahto IMO. You honestly can't go wrong with any of them in the 2nd round. There's no miss out whatsoever.

Rodgers is going to be an awesome consolation prize for a lot of people.

my only point is if you prognosticate the top 3 QB's are Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers, and no one else is close.

I will right now, today, guarantee, GA-RON-TEE you that there will be a different QB in that tier.

who knows, maybe Stafford, Newton, Ryan, Romo, Luck, Foles, Brady, etc.

I will bet you that those three are not the top 3 Fantasy football QB's at the end of the season.

That's my point. Just because someone says "they're the top tier" doesn't mean it ends up that way, and when you can identify those guys who aren't "supposed" to be in that tier, that's when you have an advantage.

Shit, why even rank anyone then. Nobody knows who will end up where.

I GUA-RON-TEE that charles, mccoy, forte and AP don't end up as the top 4 RB's.

i'm going off of what I see not joe schmoe's rankings. To me there is a very clear cut top 4 RB's and top 3 QB's. Whether or not they perform up to that level is the whole point of playing the games.

but if one gets hurt like last year(Rodgers) and someone else is top 3, I'd also bet that the QB is nowhere close to Peyton and Brees numbers.

I'm not saying it effects your rankings.

I am saying it does effect your draft strategy.

Picking chalk you may as well auto-draft. apply some intelligence.

last year is a major outlier for Peyton.

If you want to win, you aren't taking Jay Cutler in the 2nd round even if you are convinced he will be the best FF QB ever.

or so, is kind of a no-brainer, but when it gets to the Calvin Johnson, Peyton Manning, Demaryius Thomas, Demarco Murray, etc, level is when it gets tricky.

The Broncos play the NFC West and AFC East this year.

That is NOT conducive to Peyton duplicating his 2013 numbers. You all saw how uncomfortable he was in the SB. The Patriots got revis and Browner because of Peyton. The Jets are the jets, so who know what do expect, but they're usually not pushoevers on D. and the NFC West is the best defensive conference in football.

My point is because Peyton is the #1 QB, I'd almost rather get a guy like Brandon Marshall and go Tom Brady or someone later.

but yeah, I'm not saying take Demarco Murray #2 overall.

and you take him over Manning, you are still going chalk.

is your overall 6th ranked player, for example, and you have Marshall 7th or 8th.

it means you're going off-rankings and drafting with a strategy.

then you really have Marshall ranked higher than Manning.

is an idiot?

at all.

I can have Peyton rated 5th overall. but take someone else at a different position and that doesn't mean I had them rated higher than peyton. It means I can fill that position later.

I was in a league with Kmed once and he came in dead last, so despite the expert talk, not a lot of backup to it.

I've won 8 years in a row.

In comment 11818242 kmed said:

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I've won 8 years in a row.

TBONE won, your team was awful.

ago then.

if you aren't going to follow them?

The only time I go away from my rankings is if it's a positional issue - ie QB is highest ranked but I have a QB already, or I know I'm much higher on that player than everyone else and I'm willing to gamble that he slides to my next pick.

I had some bad luck. Now arc's team was bad. It's almost impossible to go 0-13 and he pulled that one off.

In comment 11818249 YAJ2112 said:

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if you aren't going to follow them? The only time I go away from my rankings is if it's a positional issue - ie QB is highest ranked but I have a QB already, or I know I'm much higher on that player than everyone else and I'm willing to gamble that he slides to my next pick.

Lets say you go WR/WR in the first 2 rounds and there's a huge drop off in RBs in the 3rd round. Wouldn't have you rather take a RB that is ranked slightly lower in the 2nd and still pick up a stud WR in the 3rd?

I don't really go by rankings. I just have a bunch of targets I'm going for. I have trouble believing that people actually set up a 250 big board of guys. We all have guys that we just won't draft and guys we think are going to be studs.

Arc's team was awful

goes down on teh first series of the season.

In fantasy, ever.

57 moves.

Respect the hustle.

you are pretty much done if you drafted Charles at the top of the first.....unless of course you drafted his HANDCUFF!

AgF I use my rankings as a guide.

As the draft unfolds my strategy evolves, but it's nice to always have the rankings to fall back on.

I also do a lot of targeting specific players.

And despite my poor showing in the BBI league I usually do well in fantasy football.

that's where it pays to have this cheatsheet to fall back on!

In comment 11818261 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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In comment 11818249 YAJ2112 said: Quote: if you aren't going to follow them? The only time I go away from my rankings is if it's a positional issue - ie QB is highest ranked but I have a QB already, or I know I'm much higher on that player than everyone else and I'm willing to gamble that he slides to my next pick. Lets say you go WR/WR in the first 2 rounds and there's a huge drop off in RBs in the 3rd round. Wouldn't have you rather take a RB that is ranked slightly lower in the 2nd and still pick up a stud WR in the 3rd? I don't really go by rankings. I just have a bunch of targets I'm going for. I have trouble believing that people actually set up a 250 big board of guys. We all have guys that we just won't draft and guys we think are going to be studs.

I do my rankings by position and put them into tiers by position. Then I'll combine those out and sort them by tiers then positions to come up with my overall ranking and tweak the tiers where it makes sense to me based on the individual league.

I don't pay attention to it much after the first 5-6 rounds, it's more for getting who I think are the best players out there. I worry about filling out the lineup after that.

I'd much rather have the higher ranked player early even if it means my lineup is unbalanced. In your case, I'd rather have 3 stud WRs then end up with an RB I don't love.

Haha. The BBI league was the worst team I ever had in any fantasy league. Once I got to like 0-6 I just mailed it in.

I went into it with no strategy at all and just decided to wing it. My team was horrendous.

I'd love to know what your roster looked like. You had to have a serious string of bad luck with injuries or something.

arc
1. (9) Andre Johnson
(Hou - WR)
2. (16) Frank Gore
(SF - RB)
3. (33) LeGarrette Blount
(Pit - RB)
4. (40) Matt Schaub
(Oak - QB)
5. (57) Julio Jones
(Atl - WR)
6. (64) Jason Witten
(Dal - TE)
7. (81) Brandon Jacobs
(NYG - RB)
8. (88) Mike Sims-Walker
(Jax - WR)
9. (105) James Starks
(GB - RB)
10. (112) Joe Flacco
(Bal - QB)
11. (129) James Jones
(Oak - WR)
12. (136) Chicago
(Chi - DEF)
13. (153) Dustin Keller
(Mia - TE)
14. (160) Stephen Gostkowski
(NE - K)

by the way.

Yes, 2011.. which happened to be the worst year of Andre Johnson's entire career. He missed 9 games in 2011. He was 1 year removed from a 100 catch year where he led the league in recieving yards. I apparently thought he was going to be that guy again.

The Blount pick was terrible but he looked really good down the stretch in 2010. Apparently I thought he was going to be their horse and back then, people still thought Matt Schaub was capable of putting up big numbers. He led the league in pass yards in 2009.

It looks awful now, and it mostly was.. but.

Rookie Julio Jones also did miss 3 games. I thought he was going to be a beast right out of the gates but it took until the next year.

Andre Johnson was just injuries. Blount and Schaub were a reach but Schaub had injuries too.

I didn't realize how young Blount is. It feels like he's been in the league for so much longer. Only 27.

mine is saturday for my main league, I don't like drafting before 3rd pre-season game because of injuries, but it's the only day that worked. And some of the 3rd games will be over by then.

Julio Jones would have had stats that emulated his 2012 numbers.

Just bad luck.

if taking the RB (WR) early and waiting on the QB....but with that said...


I have done a few mock drafts and found that if I am picking 7th and Marshawn Lynch is gone, and I take Peyton Manning....then play catch up on the RBs and WRs the rest of the way....then compare that team with a team that sees me drafting Lynch 6th or 7th...and loading up on RBs and WRs throughout the next 6-7 rounds...then taking the QB late....

Based on 2013 stats, The team that has Peyton or even Brees at QB has more points scored than the team that drafted Lynch. ANd lynch had a great 2013 campaign...

The one negative with the QB led team? Less depth at RB and WR and less room for error at those same positions.

IN short, if you're gonna take the QB early, you better not fuck up too many skill player draft picks and even if you nail most or all, you will have less depth.

60-70 more points scored....that's about 4-5 points extra a week. But less depth...and god help you if Reggie Bush, or Gio or your 2nd WR shit the bed...you're in trouble then.

Just my take...I am really hoping I pick 1-4 so that I can take the stud RB and then load up on RB WR through the first 7 rounds--then take the QB late. If you take the QB early you really kind of force your hand and have to play catch up at RB, which can lead one to reach for that RB and then lose out on the valuable WRs...

It's a tough call but the numbers don't lie. To take the QB or not to take the QB...that is the question...

..not just Peyton...

Those are the only QBs I even consider taking in round 1...but man it's scary.

If you take those qbs your whole draft BPA thing kind of gets thrown out the window after that. In round 2, do you take the BErnard or Murray at RB or do you take the "better" WR there? If you take the WR, you are left with RB scraps in round 3...then you are faced with taking a scrap heap RB in rd 3 or a Jordy Nelson type..again, better value at WR...so do you once again ignore the RB? Then you're drafting Gary Downs in rd 4....scary.

Yeah, he was still pretty good even as a rook. Definitely a chance he would have hit double digit TD's if he had played all 16 games. But oh well.

Andre got hurt early that year, IIRC.. which in turn, pretty much fucked up Schaub's year as well so it was a double whammy.

Pretty sure I was the one who picked up Cruz, though.

if you take the Matt Forte or even Lynch, who I still love, you can just zero in on value over the next 7 rounds or so...even 8 rounds. You can take BPA at Rb or Wr and not look back. Then get the Rivers, Wilson, Ryan, Big Ben...in round 8-9...

your skill players will be stacked but your overall pt total will probably be lower than the team with Peyton or Brees.

I hope I don't have to make this choice. I don't do well when I take the QB high. It always seems to end up fucking me up.

djm.. I took Peterson at 4 and still got Brees in the 2nd. So, you never know.

i'm keeping Julio Jones and Percy Harvin for a 7th and 8th round pick. I have the 2nd pick of the draft. Only QB's kept are Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.

I expect McCoy to go 1st, so then I have my choice of Forte (who I'm picking), Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Calvin Johnson, etc

I also pick 17 and 20 (it's a keeper league so a lot of players are not on the board), but if I wait to 17 20 Rodgers and Brees are definitely gone and now I'm playing out the string like you suggest with BPA RB/WR until I get to probably 6th round where I get my QB because I don't have a 7th or 8th round pick. In the 6th I can get Stafford, Ryan, Romo, Newton, Luck, etc. most likely.

or would you even wait further than that (like 10th/11th) and gamble on RG3, Foles (not sure how this league will value him), Palmer, etc.

The mistake I might have made was taking Morris in the 3rd rd instead of Antonio Brown.

I just thought the dropoff in RB's was going to be way steeper than the dropoff in WR's between my 3rd and 4th pick. There were like 6 RB's that came off the board between those picks for me, so. I decided I could still get a good WR in rd. 4 (it was between Vjax and Roddy.. I took Vjax)

is awesome, but I saw a stat that he had by far the most yards (in 2012) out of the read option of anyone in the league.

he had a significantly less of a year last year.

But I think you need to question how/if Gruden still plans to run the read option. if so, Morris could have a huge year, other he'll be just another in that 2nd tier of backs.

I love Antonio Brown though.

Is there a reason you guys don't do/like auction drafts?

Morris is in a clump of 3rd tier RB's.

which is why I'm down on Morris.

auction drafts

These are the RB's I would have been looking at as my RB2..

Gerhart
Vereen
Spiller
Rice
Gore
Sankey
Lamar Miller

I'm not all that high on any guy in that group. Gerhart, Gore (not crazy about him this year) and Sankey are the only guys who are definitely getting the lions share and I have a feeling Sankey is going to be something like 2013 Daryl Richardson. I felt like VJax/Roddy + Morris was better than Antonio Brown + one of the guys above. In any event, even if Brown + one of the other backs would have been the better combo, I doubt it will be by much.

I could have waited a couple more rds and gone Ben Tate but if I was going to take Tate, I wanted it to be as my 3rd RB. There's Richardson, too.. but he just doesn't do it for me.

handcuff guy, but I do like Gore if you can handcuff him with Hyde.

I keep waiting for Gore to reach the end and he keeps putting up top 10 - 20 fantasy football RB numbers. That's all you can expect from your #2 if you get him late.

I have been for a few years and get proven wrong every year. But every year, I think "I'm gonna take him and then it'll happen" .. so I keep avoiding him.

Probably not a good strategy, but.

and when I play his team he puts up 2 TD's

and possibly making other teams pick a WR higher, lessening my chance to grab one at 24 (i'm picking 1), am I nuts for wanting to trade my #1 pick for the #4 pick?

I'm guaranteed a top 4 RB, and to be honest, I think im cofortable with either of them. Each has pros/cons; I just see a huge drop off in WR talent if I can't get Antonio Brown or Alshon Jeffrey.

Would you rather Charles/Cobb or AP or Forte/Brown?

*

6 points for all TD's, 50 yards per passing TD. Here was last years draft with the same people playing, I picked #2. Obviously some head scratchers, so i'm guessing something dumb happens again and someone will fall to me, but I want to be prepared...

1. Ray Rice (Bal - RB)
2. Adrian Peterson (Min - RB) - Me
3. Arian Foster (Hou - RB)
4. Doug Martin (TB - RB)
5. C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB)
6. Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB)
7. Jamaal Charles (KC - RB)
8. LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
9. Trent Richardson (Ind - RB)
10. Calvin Johnson (Det - WR)
11. Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
12. Alfred Morris (Was - RB)

Round 2
1. Maurice Jones-Drew (Oak - RB)
2. Randall Cobb (GB - WR)
3. Steven Jackson (Atl - RB)
4. Brandon Marshall (Chi - WR)
5. Reggie Bush (Det - RB)
6. Stevan Ridley (NE - RB)
7. Darren Sproles (Phi - RB)
8. Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB)
9. Darren McFadden (Oak - RB)
10. Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
11. A.J. Green (Cin - WR) - Me
12. Julio Jones (Atl - WR)

Round 3
1. Demaryius Thomas (Den - WR)
2. Jimmy Graham (NO - TE) - Me
3. David Wilson (NYG - RB)
4. Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
5. Chris Johnson (NYJ - RB)
6. Frank Gore
7. DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB)
8. Drew Brees (NO - QB)
9. Eddie Lacy (GB - RB)
10. Larry Fitzgerald (Ari - WR)
11. Roddy White (Atl - WR)
12. Victor Cruz (NYG - WR)

That's a tough call.. I'd probably wait even further and take the QB in rd 9 but playing it by ear, anything can happen.

have a choice of keeping either Deymaryius Thomas or Jimmy Graham as my second keeper.

You guys have thoughts on whether or not its a good thing to roll with the QB WR1 from the same team? Worked really well most of last year as there were enough balls for everyone and this year there are fewer WR's so he should get lots of looks, but I got burned by an off week in the playoffs last year.

why wouldn't it? Stats are stats. At the end of the day you want most points scored and if you feel thats Peyton and Thomas, go for it.

If it was RB/WR maybe i'd hesitate, but now QB/WR.

In comment 11818263 pjcas18 said:

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Arc's team was awful

OH HEY THERE NO. 1

about the topic of drafting QB/WR's/TE's on the same team. The study showed that it's not a good strategy because of the all or nothing nature, but I don't think that factors in when you are talking Peyton/Brees and Thomas/Graham. Those guys are as consistent and great as they come.

When you are watching NFL redzone and see your fantasy QB throwing a bomb to your fantasy WR.

Goddamnit. I'm mad at myself now for not taking Antonio Brown in the 3rd rd after watching the game last night. I almost forgot how awesome he was last year and I think he'll have another similar year.

Luckily it was the lesser of the 2 leagues I'm in. My main league didn't draft yet so, lesson learned. I think I'll be much more prepared for that draft.

I don't even hate my team that I just drafted I just wish I had taken Brown over Morris. I was just too worried I'd wind up with an RB2 who was time sharing.

He's going to put up stats similar to last year, IMO. He's incredible value in the 3rd round. Morris has some upside potential to be a solid RB, I just don't see him being a top RB or comparable to Brown.

yeah I wouldn't think twice about Brown of Morris. Can't worry about your 2nd RB. There will be time shares in 75% of the back fields by mid-season, IMO.

But Morris is incredible value in the 3rd IMO. Especially in regular formats. The guy had a 1600 yards in his first year, 1200 in his 2nd year. Am I supposed to just believe a great offensive mind like Jay Gruden will not be able to figure out a way to utilize a one cut bruising back?

He's one of the few workhorse backs and a lock for goal line carries since they want to keep RG3 out of harms way.

drafting Carlos Hyde or where do you see him going?

In my keeper league he's a guy I'm targeting. I hope to get him late but I think he'll be overdrafted.

that Brown is the last of the prime WR group. He's a sure thing outside of health.

Morris is a rock, but but who knows what the new system does.

I guess I just saw Morris as one of the last guys who I could depend on being a horse (barring injury) and getting all the goal line stuff. I knew if I took Brown, my RB2 would be a guy in a full split with someone else so I thought there would just be too much dropoff.

I'm just hoping either J. Bell or Pierce overtake Bush/Rice enough to really make them well above average RB3's. I only need to start 2 but it'd be nice if one of those 2 really took over.

I have a feeling I'm going to be using Brandin Cooks as my flex guy a lot, though.

what says BBI?

Foster's upside is much higher... of course his downside is lower also, but I'd rather have a guy that can give me RB1 production if he hits (and find a replacement with potential if he doesn't) vs a guy with a low ceiling like Stacy.

Stacy is going to get 85% of the carries and Tre Mason will get the other 15% and possibly some 3rd downs...

Foster is an injury risk..he says his back is 100% but now he has been dealing with a Hammy...

I think both are RB2 and i have both as late 2nd early 3rd grades...

if its early 3rd and both are sitting there and none of the Wrs i would want at that spot are there i am probably going Foster...

Tate threat this year, but his offense probably won't be great (not a fan of fitzpatrick), and Foster is often banged up, but I like him more than Stacy too.

In comment 11819092 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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But Morris is incredible value in the 3rd IMO. Especially in regular formats. The guy had a 1600 yards in his first year, 1200 in his 2nd year. Am I supposed to just believe a great offensive mind like Jay Gruden will not be able to figure out a way to utilize a one cut bruising back? He's one of the few workhorse backs and a lock for goal line carries since they want to keep RG3 out of harms way.

All in the read option when RGMe needed to be accounted for. I have concerns about him in a more traditional offense.

In comment 11819207 YAJ2112 said:

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Foster's upside is much higher... of course his downside is lower also, but I'd rather have a guy that can give me RB1 production if he hits (and find a replacement with potential if he doesn't) vs a guy with a low ceiling like Stacy.

100% agree.

how are you evaluating RG3?

I think he could have a good year especially with the emergence of Reed, and addition of Jackson, but another year maturity.

Do you like him or not? 2nd tier of Qb's or lower?

He was a borderline stud in 2011 and extremely consistent that year-- cost pennies. He got hurt in 2012 but was productive when on the field...i own him in a keeper league so I was cautiously hopeful he'd bust out in 2013 but man he went above and beyond... Guy led all WR scoring by a pretty wide margin. Beast. I'll strongly consider him in round 2. So consistent

We get points for return yardage...

I think he's got a lot of options in the passing game and I think he's got some potential to improve there. I think he's going to run a lot less and he doesn't look as explosive when he is running, so I think his numbers take a big hit there. I think if I wait on QB, I'll look for him but he'll probably get drafted before I'm comfortable taking him this year.

in any draft (except maybe 2 QB or 8 team standard leagues)

In comment 11819242 pjcas18 said:

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how are you evaluating RG3? I think he could have a good year especially with the emergence of Reed, and addition of Jackson, but another year maturity. Do you like him or not? 2nd tier of Qb's or lower?

I have RGMe as a potential late round QB2 with lots of upside.

In comment 11819229 kmed said:

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All in the read option when RGMe needed to be accounted for. I have concerns about him in a more traditional offense.

Games with Kirk Cousins for Morris

@ Denver - 17 carries, 93 yards, 1 TD

vs. KC - 12 carries, 31 yards (Top 2 defense last year. They got clobbered 45-10, not exactly his fault.)

@ ATL - 18 carries, 98 yards, reception for 8 yards

vs. Dallas - 24 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD

@ NYG - 16 carries, 62 yards, 2 receptions for 21 yards


Every single one of those games were a loss and there was no RG3 to account for. They will still have to account for RG3s arm, which should be enough for Morris.

but I'm really hoping that somehow he falls to me in the 3rd due to a lack of name recognition.

Having DJax is also going to stretch the field. Morris does not strike me at all as a guy who won't succeed outside of a read option offense. In fact, I think he's very traditionally built and has the build and skill set to be a productive workhorse RB.

I'm hoping to steal brown late 2nd early 3rd. If I can pick 4th I'll draft a forte or AP, whoever slips, then take one of brown, aj green, Dez or dem Thomas with my late 2nd and maybe one of alshon Jeffrey, jordy, maybe garçon in the 3rd... Maybe even ant brown slips to 3 but i doubt it.. He is kind of an under the radar guy tho..

It's not as if Morris is some waterbug RB who was a product of the system. He's a big, one cut, traditional back that can succeed in any system IMO. He's just a really good reliable RB.

In comment 11819280 djm said:

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I'm hoping to steal brown late 2nd early 3rd. If I can pick 4th I'll draft a forte or AP, whoever slips, then take one of brown, aj green, Dez or dem Thomas with my late 2nd and maybe one of alshon Jeffrey, jordy, maybe garçon in the 3rd... Maybe even ant brown slips to 3 but i doubt it.. He is kind of an under the radar guy tho..

Are you in a 10 team or 12 team league?...I would be shocked if Dez or Thomas are there in the 2nd round for you if you are picking 4th and if they are run to the board to place your pick...

At the very least, early 2nd.

but it's one thing to game plan for a backup QB and it's another to gameplan for a full season of a particular offense. I just don't see RGme running that much and I don't think he's a great pocket passer so teams can key on Morris more. I like him as a back, but his stone hands will hurt him for fantasy purposes being in an offense that defenses can key on the RB.

is there as well...Dez and Thomas could and should go late 1st early 2nd..

and LeSean McCoy for the #11 overall pick. I'm pretty psyched about that.

As for Alfred Morris, he looked pretty good to me against the Browns on Monday night. I think Gruden will be able to give him a very good running system. And Helu, on the other hand, has not looked good to me -- missing blocks, dropping passes. I think Morris is going to be closer to a featured back than most other running backs this year.

or even Marshall are available late in the 2nd.

In my league. I think those 2 guys are those guys that everyone thinks is a semi sleeper (when it comes to early rounds) but in reality everyone knows about them.

You guys will make great scapegoats if it turns bad for me.

and some 10 team mocks i've taken one of those stud WRs makes it to mid late 2nd....and so on..

I don't think Dez has ever made it that far..and Dem Thomas probably hasn't either but I know Marshall has...one of those big 5-6 WRS seems to always slip...

In comment 11819307 djm said:

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and some 10 team mocks i've taken one of those stud WRs makes it to mid late 2nd....and so on..

Like i said before if one of Dez, Dem Thomas, or Aj Green are sitting there run to the draft board..you shouldnt even think twice...

If i get pick 10-12 i am going Dez or Thomas in the first round and may try to pair 1 of them with AJ Green or Marshall...

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I got a 4 slot

these mocks are about as meaningful as the NFL mock drafts...actually they are even more pathetic and useless..but i love em

In comment 11819324 djm said:

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these mocks are about as meaningful as the NFL mock drafts...actually they are even more pathetic and useless..but i love em

Yeah some are..sometimes you get into a good mock with guys who actually know what they are doing and it is a good mock...Other times you see dumb ass picks..

where the first 3 picks were...Peyton, Dem Thomas, Calvin Johnson...i immediately left...

another time someone took Seahawks 6th overall...

Shit like that annoys the shit out of me because then you have to wait until the draft is over before you can start a new one..

i took him but in real life i may take ant brown who was also there...hoping he makes it back

I am heavily debating going WR/WR (if there is value there).

In previous years, I have actually gone QB in Round 1, as the Fantasy League is geared so heavily towards passing and the NFL itself is becoming the Arena League. I won two years ago and came in 2nd this year (the opposing team had Peyton Manning...), so it has proven to work in theory (obviously you need to hit on the rest of your upper picks and find a couple guys late).

Yes, the league's scoring is really abnormal and slants things - but everyone voted to keep it status quo.

General thoughts? I know I can get Calvin Johnson in Round 1 and the hope/prayer would be for BMarsh/Julio in Round 2. I would even consider going WR again Round 3 if I could get a Nelson/Cobb level player, but think I may be putting too many eggs in the basket and may realistically be looking at the two GB players with my #2 pick.

Anyone go completely off the deep end like this and have it work?

and i'd be pissed if i passed on him in the 2nd for MArshall. JEffrey was still there in rd 3---so i could have taken brown, then jeffrey---as of now i took garcon instead because i didnt want 2 wrs from same team..i also have forte--3 skill players from same team is crazy..

in most leagues brown and marshall were about even..jeffrey wasn't too far behind.

In comment 11819358 UAGiant said:

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I am heavily debating going WR/WR (if there is value there). In previous years, I have actually gone QB in Round 1, as the Fantasy League is geared so heavily towards passing and the NFL itself is becoming the Arena League. I won two years ago and came in 2nd this year (the opposing team had Peyton Manning...), so it has proven to work in theory (obviously you need to hit on the rest of your upper picks and find a couple guys late). Yes, the league's scoring is really abnormal and slants things - but everyone voted to keep it status quo. General thoughts? I know I can get Calvin Johnson in Round 1 and the hope/prayer would be for BMarsh/Julio in Round 2. I would even consider going WR again Round 3 if I could get a Nelson/Cobb level player, but think I may be putting too many eggs in the basket and may realistically be looking at the two GB players with my #2 pick. Anyone go completely off the deep end like this and have it work?

My friend did it last year in our 12 team league...he went Aj, Julio then Cruz first 3 rounds...he finished 2nd in the league even with Julio's injury...

Luck
Zac Stacy
deangelo Williams
AJ
Edelman
Crabtree
Vernon Davis
Niners
Crosby

In comment 11819370 nygiants16 said:

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My friend did it last year in our 12 team league...he went Aj, Julio then Cruz first 3 rounds...he finished 2nd in the league even with Julio's injury...

When did he look for a QB (and who did he end up with)?

Also - its pretty much Calvin or bust at WR when you have the #4, correct? I feel he'll be the most consistent, but think Dez may be more explosive and Demaryius may actually be more productive in Denver's offense.

i got forte, jennings and matthews as my rbs
marshall, garcon at wr.

I think i'd prefer ant brown and jeffrey to marshall/garcon and I could have done that but it's splitting hairs...that's a pretty nasty starting 5.

In comment 11819382 UAGiant said:

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In comment 11819370 nygiants16 said: Quote: My friend did it last year in our 12 team league...he went Aj, Julio then Cruz first 3 rounds...he finished 2nd in the league even with Julio's injury... When did he look for a QB (and who did he end up with)? Also - its pretty much Calvin or bust at WR when you have the #4, correct? I feel he'll be the most consistent, but think Dez may be more explosive and Demaryius may actually be more productive in Denver's offense.

He ended up with Luck...

Yeah if you are going to go WR at 4 its Calvin or Bust...I really like Dez and Thomas but i dont think you can take them that high..

In comment 11819387 nygiants16 said:

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He ended up with Luck... Yeah if you are going to go WR at 4 its Calvin or Bust...I really like Dez and Thomas but i dont think you can take them that high..

That's what I keep landing on - I really wish I was picking around 8/9, as I'd much prefer to have a shot at two 1A-level WRs instead of 1AA (that I'm slightly weary of because Detroit always withers at crunch time, plus the addition of Tate) and a 1B. I think the WR/WR strategy ultimately makes more sense at that draft position, but playing the conservative draft (RB-1, WR-2, etc.) doesn't cut it - especially in this league.

I learned #1 is taking McCoy, so I'm 99% taking Forte.

I need to solidify 17/20, keeper league, so not everyone is available, but here are the top 25, if you had to pick two players to go with my threesome of (Forte, julio Jones (7th round) and Harvin (8th round) who would it be.

The only QB's kept are Brady and Peyton.

So, other than QB's for a moment my to 20 remaining players are (and I removed TE's because Graham and Gronk were keepers and it's a non TE mandatory league):

What's realistic to expect and target at 17/20?

Not a true ranked order per se
1. Calvin Johnson WR | DET
2. Brandon Marshall WR | CHI
3. Adrian Peterson RB | MIN
4. Dez Bryant WR | DAL
5. DeMarco Murray RB | DAL
6. A.J. Green WR | CIN
7. Arian Foster RB | HOU
8. Randall Cobb WR | GB
9. Doug Martin RB | TB
10. Andre Johnson WR | HOU
11. Andre Ellington RB | ARI
12. Larry Fitzgerald WR | ARI
13. Marshawn Lynch RB | SEA
14. Pierre Garcon WR | WAS
15. Toby Gerhart RB | JAC
16. Vincent Jackson WR | TB
17. Alfred Morris RB | WAS
18. Roddy White WR | ATL
19. Michael Floyd WR | ARI
20. Bishop Sankey RB | TEN
21. Reggie Bush RB | DET
22. Wes Welker WR | DEN
23. Shane Vereen RB | NE
24. Victor Cruz WR | NYG

Is Roddy White and Reggie Bush/Vereen realistic and decent decent? Joique Bell was a keeper,

or would you rather have Alfred Morris and Wes Welker?

Don't get me wrong, I like Brown and have him ranked right after Marshall, but 2 years ago Marshall was the #1 overall WR. Last year he was tied with Brown and he caught 100 balls and was still Cutlers #1 target. When cutler was out, Jeffery became the #1 target.

a common theme but I'll take Dez Bryant this year over Marshall and Brown.

I think he has a huge year and those three were within 10 points of each other in my league last year.

i am taking Brown over Marshall...i dont care what Jeffery does..all Jeffery is doing is opening the field up more for Marshall and Cutler always looks to Marshall near the red zonea nd when he is in trouble...

I am doing a 12 team mock now from teh 10th slot...Trying out WR-Wr

went Dez and AJ first 2 rounds..

for me as well. I think most people would agree.

In comment 11819416 pjcas18 said:

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a common theme but I'll take Dez Bryant this year over Marshall and Brown. I think he has a huge year and those three were within 10 points of each other in my league last year.

I dont think anyone would argue taking Dez over Marshall and Brown..

a common theme

view of various websites rankings(cbs, espn, ff toolbox, real time ffb, rotoworld, fantasy pros), Dez is the 3rd ranked WR, Marshall is 6th and Brown 9th. No site has Dez below the 4th ranked WR and nobody has Marshall higher than 5 and Brown 8.

ADP has them as follows:
Dez 8.75
Marshall 13.71
Brown 18.4

In my 10 team league we are changning the keeper rules (pending vote on draft day)...you can keep a player and it would cost you the round before you picked him the year before..

So my choices are Bell which would cost me an 8th round pick or Julius thomas which would cost me a 13th..

In comment 11819431 kmed said:

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view of various websites rankings(cbs, espn, ff toolbox, real time ffb, rotoworld, fantasy pros), Dez is the 3rd ranked WR, Marshall is 6th and Brown 9th. No site has Dez below the 4th ranked WR and nobody has Marshall higher than 5 and Brown 8. ADP has them as follows: Dez 8.75 Marshall 13.71 Brown 18.4

I used to have a spreadsheet that did this for me.

pick 10 12 team league trying out WR-Wr

This is what my team looked like after 6 picks

Ellington
Jennings
Dez
Aj
Rody White
Jordan Cameron

Not bad and i wouldnt hate having that core at all...what do you guys think?

not bad at all..

In comment 11819482 djm said:

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not bad at all..

I really hate not knowing where i am picking until draft day...i have to come up with a strategy for every spot...

I think if i am 1-5 i am going RB I know Kmed hates Lacy but i would take him if i am at 5

6-8 probably 1 of Calvin, Peyton or Dem Thomas

9-12 i am going 1 of Dez, Jimmy Graham, Lynch, maybe AJ

Ellington that late in the 3rd is a solid pick. As is Roddy White. Jennings that late in the 5th would be a huge get, IMO.

3 weeks before our draft. I can't go into the draft without a strategy.

In comment 11819491 kmed said:

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Ellington that late in the 3rd is a solid pick. As is Roddy White. Jennings that late in the 5th would be a huge get, IMO.

yeah with Roddy i was choosing between him, Cruz or vincent Jackson...

In comment 11819492 kmed said:

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3 weeks before our draft. I can't go into the draft without a strategy.

Yeah i am basically stragizing for every pick...we change commish every year so there is not one guy controlling it...last year the commish decided to do the order before hand which was nice...this year the commish wanted to wait until the draft day...

its fun but annoying at the same time because i got to do all this extra work...

with my 10 team i already know where i am picking...3 so i am going 1 of Mccoy Charles or Forte which ever one is there for me to take...

I'm picking 8th in a 10 team league and I've been mocking out some strategies, there is simply no core I like when I pick Jimmy G at the 8th spot. I'm hoping EL or ML fall to 8th, otherwise I gotta go WR in the first I'm thinking.

In comment 11818268 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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57 moves. Respect the hustle.

LOL! Just seeing this.

Yeah...I usually wind up making the most moves in any league I'm in. I don't suffer non-point producers long. LOL!

And yeah...I'd never seen anyone go winless (or undefeated, although I had only a 1-loss team a few years ago) before until arc somehow pulled off the stunt. I think I actually tried to help him get a win but he said he was actually going to keep doing what he was doing and try to get a win but see if he'd still go winless. It's actually an incredible feat. I've seen guys not play their teams all year long and STILL get at least one win.