NFT: Fantasy Chat - 8/19

Morris?

I can see VJax over Roddy in a .5PPR. And I like having Pierce/Bell on your bench. I would have preferred a WR over Morris though and then you could have picked up an upside RB later like a West or Freeman. You could roll out Pierce for the first 2 weeks and then start Bell until you find a better option.

He's not PPR gold, but he's going to have another great year under his belt. Doug Martin is too risky with that god awful OL. I'm not the biggest Zac Stacy fan. It's difficult for me to take RBs in inept offenses.

Choosing between VJax, Roddy White, and Pierre Garcon were one of my concerns going into the draft. VJax was gone so I went with Roddy, but truthfully I think I would have went with Roddy anyway. You said VJax is a rock, but so has Roddy White except for most of last year where he had that injury.

I also like the fact that Atlanta has a defense made up of hot garbage and the Falcons will be forced to sling it.

mocks I have done I see Rivers lasting until rounds 8-9. He was the 4th best FF QB last year and nothing has changed in his offense heading into this season.

I'd be thrilled if the QB I take late ends up being Rivers. Then i'd back him up with a guy like Wilson. That's a combo.

Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old.

was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

If you wanted to go WR, the 3 WR who went between me taking Morris and VJ were Cobb, Welker and Andre (Welker and Andre seemed a little reachy to me where they went)

Had Jeffery or Nelson been there, I probably would have taken one of them. I really had my eye on Jeffery with that pick but he went with the 1st pick of the 3rd rd (so he went 3 picks before me)

In comment 11815813 pjcas18 said:

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Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old. was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

Michael Floyd isn't 33, you're thinking Malcom Floyd (who arc didn't draft).

In comment 11815813 pjcas18 said:

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Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old. was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

He took Michael Floyd, not Malcom.

In comment 11815813 pjcas18 said:

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Arc, only question I'd have are who was there when you took Floyd, just not a big fan of his, he's had big games and decent years, but he's always injured and is now 33 years old. was Percy Harvin still there? Also injured, but more upside.

pj, it's Michael Floyd (ARZ) not Malcom (SD).. if I had taken Malcom there someone should have shot me. Haha.

that's a much better pick.

Also, for comparison sake..

The guy who took Peyton in rd 1 took AJ in rd 2 and he ended up with Jennings and Vereen as his RB1 and RB2. I wouldn't feel good about that RB situation at all even though he got Peyton/AJ

Like, I would much rather have Brees/Peterson/VJax than Peyton/AJ/Jennings

I apologize and perhaps it is a result of my co-workers (in two of my leagues)constant, constant over-analysis of the rankings.

My point is simply that yes, within each position, you have the cream of the crop with Manning/Brees, Charles/McCoy, CJ/DT- etc.

After that, it truly is a crap shoot with say RB's 4-8, etc.

Many tend to fall victim to this every year as all of us are subjected to the rankings of players after the draft/free agency, through the summer, leading up to September. We have players rising/falling based on...namely, some FF writer on a keyboard and it is taken as gospel.

I just think many over-think the pre-draft process and stress over 'what to do with the #6 pick'.

When the 2014 FF season is over, the point leaders at each position ( QB is the biggest exception)will look different than they were projected. Simply, at RB, it will not read Charles, McCoy, Forte, 4,5,6...

I suppose I'm just taking exception to those I have to listen to daily rant on about so and so is ranked higher so therefore, by rule, that player is going to put up better numbers than his counterpart ranked three slots lower.

It rarely works out that way.

Apologize that I stated my opinion so aggressively here last night from work as my frustration is centered on my co-workers driving me bat-shit-fucking crazy with our upcoming drafts.

If he was really the best option, I may have gone Gronk or Julius at that point. I agree on not being as high on Cobb/Welker/Andre in a .5 PPR

Because of this 3rd year WR phenomena. I see him more of a low end WR2/high upside WR3 type of guy. I owned him last year, and those few killer games he had were against garbage defenses (Colts, Jags, Eagles). He was extremely inconsistent last year.

I think TY Hilton is a safer bet and he's going a round or 2 later.

Michael Floyd has the skillset to make my opinion look silly right now though. We'll see.

nice team. I really like your QB/RB/RB combo. Your WR's are an uncertainty, but they are chock full of potential. Lot of nice upside there. If they come through, your league better watch out.

I like Morris as your 2nd RB. I think he's going to have a good year now that Washington has a more conventional offense.

He was great in the read option offense, but he's a complete unknown in a more traditional passing offense where teams don't need to key on RGMe running as much. He's also a terrible pass catcher so he will need lots of TD's to make up for that. I would not be drafting him in the 3rd and I probably would have taken a WR with that pick.

at 5.4, he did take Floyd as a low WR2

Reason I really like Floyd is because as great as Fitz has been, he's getting a bit older now. He's going into his 11th year. Did score 10 times last year but hasn't hit 1,000 yards since 2011. I think Floyd could legitimately wind up the #1 there this season.

kmed.. like I said, I def would have gone Alshon if he was there, he's really who I had my eye on. I just felt like it was too early to take Cobb, Welker, Andre, Roddy, K. Allen, etc. And if I passed on Morris I would have been looking at guys like Rashad Jennings, Reggie Bush or Vereen as my RB2. I didn't feel great about that.

Wasn't really referring to Arc's team specifically.

There has just been a ton of buzz for Michael Floyd as a fantasy guy. Everyone is anticipating that big leap.

and I tried taking Jimmy Graham with the 6th overall pick. I gotta say, I love my team, but I think it had more to do with bad drafters because AJ Green fell to me in the 2nd and Rodgers in the 3rd.

Am I crazy for considering Graham 6 overall if charles, mccoy, forte, AP and Calvin are gone? I'm not taking Lacy, I don't like any other RB's enough that high(I'll consider Lynch) and I'm planning on taking a QB with my 2nd pick.

You guys talk a lot about snake drafts.

Have you tried doing auction drafts?

Last year I did my first auction and can't go back to snake

I'm counting on that big leap. Floyd is a keeper on my team. Can't wait for our draft on September 2.

but I'm not sure this kid will have the opps. Fitz is still in his prime and he's going to be the first option. Seems like Ellington is going to be a major player too.

Peyton or Graham are your only options if it shakes out that way. Demaryius would also be an option, but that's too early for my liking.

kmed, the guy in my league took Graham 7th.

Here's his team:

Romo
Roethlisberger

Murray
Martin
Gore
Sproles

Cobb
Edelman
Crabtree
Randle
Austin

Graham
Bennett

but I probably would have done a lot of things different as he's filled with guys that I wouldn't want. Did he have the option of getting Peyton, Brees or Rodgers in rd 2?

Yup, he could have taken Brees or Rodgers. He picked 3 slots before me in the 2nd rd and I wound up with Brees at 17th overall.

12 team league

Jay Cutler

Larry Fitz
Torrey Smith
Brandin Cooks
Anquan Boldin
Miles Austin
Josh Gordon

Gio Bernard
Doug Martin
Joique Bell
Ray Rice
Bradshaw

Jimmy Graham

.

I don't like Martin. I'm starting to consider the idea of Graham at 6 if my top 5 are off the board. I've come a long way from day 1.

AGF, yeah, I agree. 12 team is a bit different but Cutler as my 1st QB and Fitz as my WR1 I wouldn't be thrilled with at all. Even in a 12 team.

but they also drafted guys in the early rounds that I want no part of. I'd have to know who was available when they picked to really give a fair opinion.

Looking at that team actually makes me feel a hell of a lot better about my team, haha.

Kmed, are you in a 10 or 12 team league? If it's a 10 team you should be able to snag Brees/Rodgers in the 2nd.

you miss the top QB, a top 3 tier RB, and a top 2 tier WR. You lose points in the long run unless you hit a HR or 2 in the later rounds.

Add in my personal opinion of a number of TE's having great seasons, and I wouldn't touch Graham until maybe 9th/10th.

I'm fairly confident that I can get one of the QB's and if for some reason all 3 are gone, other great players will have to have dropped to me(Dez, AJ Green, Lynch).

I don't like Lacy at all at 6, I think he's extremely overvalued so I'm not missing out on a top tier RB(although I do like Lynch and would consider him). I'm confident I can get a top tier QB with my 2nd pick and I'm confident that there will be stud WR's available in rds 3 and 4.

In general, people are paying for his potential and aren't getting any value from it by taking him as early as I've seen him go.

but reality is that their ceiling is nowhere even close to Grahams average season. There are 2 guys that can possibly come close to Grahams projected season and they are Thomas and Gronk and Gronk is a major injury question mark and Thomas is going in the 3rd.

is that while there is a big gap between him and most of the other TEs, the total points he scores is lower than your top RB/WR/QB. So you have the draft has to fall almost perfectly for you after taking Graham to make up those total points that you miss by passing on a top RB/WR/QB.

In comment 11815893 kmed said:

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I don't like Lacy at all at 6, I think he's extremely overvalued so I'm not missing out on a top tier RB(although I do like Lynch and would consider him). I'm confident I can get a top tier QB with my 2nd pick and I'm confident that there will be stud WR's available in rds 3 and 4.

What WR will be available at pick #26?

Right now I'm picking #1 and have been mocking Charles, then maybe Jeffrey/Brown being available at 24.

which means its less to worry about. If you wait until round 3 to get your first RB or WR, I think you are screwed.

There are a couple of spots where you can take advantage of a huge tier gap. It's at QB by taking Peyton or Brees (Rodgers is the one guy who sits firmly between those 2 and the next group) and at TE by taking Graham. I definitely think those particular players give your team a noticeable advantage as long as you fill out the rest of your team properly.

you'll be okay because they just score a ton of points in most leagues, so you don't have as much ground to make up at the other spots.

What scares me about taking Graham around 6 or 7 or whatever is that if for some reason the top 3 QB's are off the board by your next pick, you're probably going to go stud WR.. which is all well and good but then you still have no QB OR RB.. and if you're just starting to take those in rd 3 it could get dicey. I don't know if I'd want to be in that sitch.

In my league Graham scored 283 pts last year which would have put him 3rd in WR's behind Thomas and Gordon. He scored more fantasy pts than Calvin, AJ Green and everyone else. That's a massive advantage.

WR's available in rd3....I'm hoping a guy like Antonio Brown falls, but Cobb, Allen, Cruz will all likely be available. Plus I will like WR's that will be available in rd's 4 and 5 too.

it's a pts league, I don't care about balance and needing to have a stud WR, RB, QB. I just want the best players and I'll fill the holes as the season goes on(if the draft doesn't shake out in my favor). Starting a team with Graham and Dez is not a bad thing at all.

there's a very real chance that in round 2, Brees and Rodgers, and possibly Marshall are all gone.

how did the team that drafted Graham do last year?

It's not but I'd much rather start it with Graham and Brees/Rodgers

I feel like WR is so deep and there are so many potential breakout guys you'll be able to get a hold of. I also just feel like this is a year where you really want to try and get a hold of 1 dependable, load carrying RB. I wouldn't want to get stuck with an RB1 who doesn't even get goal line carries.

I have a clear cut top 15, so if all 3 QB's are taken, I'm still getting a top tier guy on my rankings.

Charles
Mccoy
Forte
Peyton
Calvin
Graham
AP
D. Thomas
Dez
AJ Green
Brees
Lynch
Marshall
Rodgers
Lacy

So if all QB's go before my 2nd pick, sign me up for any of those other guys who will be there.

the 4th-7th round range. I'm not going to reach for a RB early that I don't like when there are WR's who will score more pts.