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NFT: Fantasy Chat - 8/19

UConn4523 : 8/19/2014 10:49 am
Lastnight was very lackluster. Hard to go off of preseason but it looks like Garcon/Jackson will see a ton of looks this year regardless of RG3 or Cousins. Reed got open as well and I see him as their #2 target on the team. I'm targeting him for my 6/7th pick.

Cleveland is a mess. The mess at QB is causing a ton of issues. The majority of the passes were thrown behind the WR's, making it impossible to project the production of Jordan Cameron. I still think he's a top 10 TE, but probably closer to 10 than 5. Ben Tate had a few nice runs, but didn't get much blocking. If healthy he can be a nice player, but I doubt he plays more than 12 full games.

I'm still contemplating the #1 overall pick. McCoy apparently is very sore with turf toe. Not good. May avoid him now and go Charles definitively.
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kmed  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 10:49 am : link
I keep forgetting your in a 10 team lague. Certainly less risky for you.

What RB's are you targeting 4-7?

Arc, you have a massive advantage getting stud WR's because of their low injury rate, IMO. WR is only deep because 2-3 play on the field at the same time in a passing league. The top tier still inherit the most targets and that's who I want.
YAJ,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 10:50 am : link
he didn't make the playoffs(finished 6-7), but it wasn't because of Graham, he made some terrible decisions after drafting Graham 10 overall. Specifically Brady and Amendola in rds 3 and 4
Uconn,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 10:52 am : link
I really like Jennings. I like him in the 5th much mroe than the 4th, but he's an option there depending on how the first 3 rounds shake out. A guy going in the 7 range that I like is Tate. He's going to be the man in that offense and I expect him to be a solid fantasy RB. Other starting RB's going that late are Chris Johnson, Gore, Fred Jackson to name a few.
oops.  
YAJ2112 : 8/20/2014 10:55 am : link
I'm still not convinced either way on Graham. I lean towards not taking him usually, but I can't argue with those that do.

In the end, it's all about team construction. Each league is different (scoring systems/starting rosters/etc). You should figure out how many points (on average) you think you need to score weekly to have a good chance to win the average game in your league. If by taking Graham, you can still build the rest of your team to exceed that average weekly total then go for it.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 10:55 am : link
UConn.. injuries can happen to anyone, though. Obviously it helps to have a legit #1 guy who gets a ton of targets. I always love a guy like Brandon Marshall because he's always amassed so many targets and catches over the years.. but my point is, of all the positions, WR is the most likely to produce diamonds in the rough just based on volume and the way the league is.

I'd feel better about having an elite, top tier RB than a top tier WR.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 10:57 am : link
Also, I think Tate in the 7th is great value but his staying healthy definitely concerns me a bit. I was looking at him in the 6th but took Joique Bell instead.
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UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 11:06 am : link
In comment 11815956 arcarsenal said:
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UConn.. injuries can happen to anyone, though. Obviously it helps to have a legit #1 guy who gets a ton of targets. I always love a guy like Brandon Marshall because he's always amassed so many targets and catches over the years.. but my point is, of all the positions, WR is the most likely to produce diamonds in the rough just based on volume and the way the league is.

I'd feel better about having an elite, top tier RB than a top tier WR.


Right, but unless you are getting a top 4 RB I see the value drop off significantly.
That's how I see it as well Uconn.  
kmed : 8/20/2014 11:53 am : link
I see a top 4, then I see a 2nd tier that I like, but not more than the top tier WRs. I like AJ Green, Dez, Thomas and Marshall more than Bell, bernard, Ellington.

I love Tate in the 7th/8th rounds. He's only missed 8 games in 3 years, but he's never been the man. There's def some risk, but I think he's a good gamble in that spot. He's going to be Clevelands workhorse.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 12:08 pm : link
I would still probably take a dude like Lynch over those WR's. Maybe Lacy. The RB's slope a lot harder than the WR's do.
I don't disagree about Lynch,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 12:12 pm : link
I have him right up there with those WR's. Lacy is another story, but I understand that my opinion of him is not shared by many.
I'm just really hoping one of my top 4 RB's falls to 6,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 12:15 pm : link
but if not, as of today, a few guys that are on my radar....Graham, Peyton, D. Thomas and Lynch. I will change my mind about 10 more times between now and next thursday when we draft.
kmed  
YAJ2112 : 8/20/2014 12:17 pm : link
you probably can't go wrong with any of those guys. Just make sure you have an idea of how you are going attack the rest of the draft based on which guy you end up picking and you'll be fine.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 12:18 pm : link
I'm more on your side of the fence about Lacy, honestly.

Like, if I had 6th pick and Charles, McCoy, Forte, Peterson and Lynch all got drafted, I'd be pretty hesitant to take Lacy. I don't think the value matches up.
If those 5 are gone,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 12:20 pm : link
I'm going Calvin.
Also, going by ADP and rankings,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 12:26 pm : link
Lynch is a guy that could fall to my 15th pick.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 12:28 pm : link
It would take me less than 1 second to take Lynch at 15. He went at 11 in my league.
I know.  
kmed : 8/20/2014 12:29 pm : link
If I got Calvin at 6 and then lynch was sitting there at 15, I'd be up at the draft board in a matter of seconds. He was my 1st pick last year(8th) and he helped carry me to a championship. I owe him at least that much!
Lynch should still be a first round pick  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 1:16 pm : link
so I wouldn't put him in the convo of who i'd pick from in round 2. Like kmed said, all those WR's over those RB's for me in round 2.

I really want to take Tate, I just feel like there's no chances he lasts to round 7 in any 12 round league. Am I crazy for taking him with the 50th pick? He'd be in the bunch with Sankey, Bell, Rice, etc.
12 team  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 1:19 pm : link
rather. Probably not 10 team either.
Whats deal with Charles  
dep026 : 8/20/2014 1:24 pm : link
Is this injury serious?

Have the 2nd pick and debating between him, McCoy, AP, and Manning.
RE: Whats deal with Charles  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 1:28 pm : link
In comment 11816313 dep026 said:
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Is this injury serious?

Have the 2nd pick and debating between him, McCoy, AP, and Manning.


Apparently all tests were negative, Reid saying he's fine. So damn annoying. Having the #1 pick sucks this year, would much rather have 3 for the first 2 rounds.
RE: I don't disagree about Lynch,  
Mr. Nickels : 8/20/2014 2:15 pm : link
In comment 11816125 kmed said:
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I have him right up there with those WR's. Lacy is another story, but I understand that my opinion of him is not shared by many.



You are low on lacy??
I don't think I'm low on him,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 2:29 pm : link
I think I'm just not as high as most. I don't see him as a top 5 pick. I have him as my 15th ranked player and my 6th RB overall. He was great last year, but it was also a year where Rodgers missed significant time and they had to change their whole offense from a passing offense to a running offense. I think he'll be good because he's talented and he's the only RB in Green Bay, but I don't love him like most do.
RE: Whats deal with Charles  
Mr. Nickels : 8/20/2014 2:42 pm : link
In comment 11816313 dep026 said:
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Is this injury serious?

Have the 2nd pick and debating between him, McCoy, AP, and Manning.


He dropped a box on his foot and it bruised.

Annoying but non serious.
kmed  
Mr. Nickels : 8/20/2014 2:46 pm : link
how do you view Trent this year? Bounce back or bust? I view him as a poor man's Eddie Lacy and he is likely going to be BPA when I pick in the 5th round for my flex rb. Does he have RB2/1 upside? Would you take Shane Vereen in a half ppr over Trent? Reach for Lamar Miller there?
IMO,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 2:55 pm : link
I'm not targetting Trent at all. I guess if he falls to rd 7 or something where his value is too good to pass up, I'd consider it, but I'm not high on him at all. I've been so unimpressed with his running style and how slow he is to hit holes that I don't see that changing. I think AB will be the better RB option until he gets hurt.



basically  
Mr. Nickels : 8/20/2014 2:56 pm : link
how do you rank

Trent Richardson
Toby Gerhart
Steven Jackson
Shane Vereen
Lamar Miller
Bishop Sankey
MJD
RE: basically  
nygiants16 : 8/20/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11816565 Mr. Nickels said:
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how do you rank

Trent Richardson
Toby Gerhart
Steven Jackson
Shane Vereen
Lamar Miller
Bishop Sankey
MJD


Sankey
Gerhart
Vereen
MJD
Richardson
Miller
Jackson
taking a stab  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 2:59 pm : link
Gerhart
Vereen
Miller
Sankey
Jackson
MJD
Richardson
My rankings would be similar to Uconn's,  
kmed : 8/20/2014 3:05 pm : link
but i'd probably have Richardson a few slots higher and Miller a few lower. That being said, I'm not targetting any of those guys.
yeah im not crazy about them  
Mr. Nickels : 8/20/2014 3:07 pm : link
but its for flex. Even though I always try and find a stud to flex. Last year I took Lacy early (we draft late) and he worked out well. Year before I added Alfred Morris prior to kickoff and rode him all year.

Some are torn on Toby saying he benefits from AP weakening the D. He is supposed to be a workhorse no? Some say he won't be.
i just still like Trent's situation  
Mr. Nickels : 8/20/2014 3:27 pm : link
great top 5 offense should get most carries and goal line work. Don't trust Bradshaw to stay healthy. Trent was hurt last year (broken shoulder torn) and dealt mid season too. He does still look kind of slow. But he is never going to be a burner. He is TD heavy back.
i'm just hoping someone takes Sankey early  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 3:30 pm : link
i don't want to be that guy that regrets it. He can of course surprise but the more time goes by, the more the reports on him sound bad.
I'll play  
YAJ2112 : 8/20/2014 3:32 pm : link
Vereen
Gerhart
MJD

Miller
Jackson

Richardson






Sankey
RE: I'll play  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/20/2014 4:21 pm : link
In comment 11816648 YAJ2112 said:
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Vereen
Gerhart
MJD

Miller
Jackson

Richardson






Sankey


Yep.
I guess i am in the minority  
nygiants16 : 8/20/2014 4:28 pm : link
I like Sankey and think he is going to be a steal this year...dont see Greene staying healthy all year and Sankey is good out of the back field and Locker likes to dump the ball off...

I think Sankey will surprise a lot of people..
McCluster is there for the dumpoffs  
YAJ2112 : 8/20/2014 4:29 pm : link
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Can someone help me out with a draft pick trade  
knicks3031 : 8/20/2014 4:43 pm : link
I have the 10th pick overall in a 12 team .5 ppr league

I am talking to the team picking 4th about the following trade:

I give him my 1st (10th overall) and 6th (63rd overall) for his 2nd (21st overall) and 3rd (45th overall). In addition we would swap 4th (he gets my 39th, I get his 45th)

This gives me:

15, 21, 28, 34, 45..... instead of 10, 15,34, 39, 58


Is this a trade worth entertaining? I think he is making out slightly, but I like having 5 picks in the top 45. Thoughts?
Sorry, I mean his 3rd is 28th overall  
knicks3031 : 8/20/2014 4:44 pm : link
not 45th
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 4:45 pm : link
I was considering Sankey in the 6th rd... it was he or J. Bell. Guy 2 slots ahead of me made the call for me and took Sankey and I was kind of glad he did. Even though Bush is going to get his touches, it sounds like Bell is going to get more of the work and will be the goal line guy, so.

Something about Sankey just makes me feel like he's not going to be very good.
I don't know if Sankey  
pjcas18 : 8/20/2014 4:49 pm : link
will be good or not, but it seems like he's being given a lofty draft status (for a rookie RB) solely because he's being given the #1 RB spot.

I've watched some Redskins games and I know they have a crowded backfield, but man Lache Seastrunk can run the ball. Not saying to draft him, but if he gets a chance (and Alfred Morris was also a 6th round pick I believe), he can do some things.
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arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 4:49 pm : link
BUT.. if I had taken him, I would have had to make my team name "Do the Sankey Leg"
you're netting 18 draft spots in that deal  
YAJ2112 : 8/20/2014 4:54 pm : link
so the question would be is the player at 10 you're passing on 18 spots better than the one you take at 21?
At 10 I am currently targeting  
knicks3031 : 8/20/2014 4:57 pm : link
AJ or Dez. At 21 I would hope to get Jordy...

If I can get him to drop the swap of 4's, I think I do it. If he insists on keeping the 4s swap, I might see if he is willing to swap 5th rounders. We are instituing keepers going forward in the 5th round or later, so those 6 spots could be helpful
Sounds like there isnt enough upside  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 5:09 pm : link
for you in that deal. Basically stripping your team of any chance at Graham, Peyton, a top tier WR, and most of the good RBs.

Depth is great, but you still want the heavy hitters.
Good thing I didn't take Leveon Bell  
arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 8:04 pm : link
(Or Legarette Blount)
Oh fuck me  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/20/2014 8:26 pm : link
Just googled "Le'Veon Bell" to check what the fuck you were talking about.

This blows.

For the record, I fucking chose him over Gio Bernard.

Fuck.
One guy  
pjcas18 : 8/20/2014 8:28 pm : link
in my league has Bell as a keeper, first offense, no suspension?

or because it's DUI plus pot a couple games?

I honestly have no idea  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/20/2014 8:31 pm : link
Hoping for the best. As some here have noticed, I am incredibly weak at RB. This will blow horsecock if he gets suspended at all.
I'm pissed he won't be taken  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2014 9:37 pm : link
before my 2nd pick now...
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