NFT: Fantasy Chat - 8/19

I guess I just saw Morris as one of the last guys who I could depend on being a horse (barring injury) and getting all the goal line stuff. I knew if I took Brown, my RB2 would be a guy in a full split with someone else so I thought there would just be too much dropoff.

I'm just hoping either J. Bell or Pierce overtake Bush/Rice enough to really make them well above average RB3's. I only need to start 2 but it'd be nice if one of those 2 really took over.

I have a feeling I'm going to be using Brandin Cooks as my flex guy a lot, though.

what says BBI?

Foster's upside is much higher... of course his downside is lower also, but I'd rather have a guy that can give me RB1 production if he hits (and find a replacement with potential if he doesn't) vs a guy with a low ceiling like Stacy.

Stacy is going to get 85% of the carries and Tre Mason will get the other 15% and possibly some 3rd downs...

Foster is an injury risk..he says his back is 100% but now he has been dealing with a Hammy...

I think both are RB2 and i have both as late 2nd early 3rd grades...

if its early 3rd and both are sitting there and none of the Wrs i would want at that spot are there i am probably going Foster...

Tate threat this year, but his offense probably won't be great (not a fan of fitzpatrick), and Foster is often banged up, but I like him more than Stacy too.

In comment 11819092 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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But Morris is incredible value in the 3rd IMO. Especially in regular formats. The guy had a 1600 yards in his first year, 1200 in his 2nd year. Am I supposed to just believe a great offensive mind like Jay Gruden will not be able to figure out a way to utilize a one cut bruising back? He's one of the few workhorse backs and a lock for goal line carries since they want to keep RG3 out of harms way.

All in the read option when RGMe needed to be accounted for. I have concerns about him in a more traditional offense.

In comment 11819207 YAJ2112 said:

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Foster's upside is much higher... of course his downside is lower also, but I'd rather have a guy that can give me RB1 production if he hits (and find a replacement with potential if he doesn't) vs a guy with a low ceiling like Stacy.

100% agree.

how are you evaluating RG3?

I think he could have a good year especially with the emergence of Reed, and addition of Jackson, but another year maturity.

Do you like him or not? 2nd tier of Qb's or lower?

He was a borderline stud in 2011 and extremely consistent that year-- cost pennies. He got hurt in 2012 but was productive when on the field...i own him in a keeper league so I was cautiously hopeful he'd bust out in 2013 but man he went above and beyond... Guy led all WR scoring by a pretty wide margin. Beast. I'll strongly consider him in round 2. So consistent

We get points for return yardage...

I think he's got a lot of options in the passing game and I think he's got some potential to improve there. I think he's going to run a lot less and he doesn't look as explosive when he is running, so I think his numbers take a big hit there. I think if I wait on QB, I'll look for him but he'll probably get drafted before I'm comfortable taking him this year.

in any draft (except maybe 2 QB or 8 team standard leagues)

In comment 11819242 pjcas18 said:

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how are you evaluating RG3? I think he could have a good year especially with the emergence of Reed, and addition of Jackson, but another year maturity. Do you like him or not? 2nd tier of Qb's or lower?

I have RGMe as a potential late round QB2 with lots of upside.

In comment 11819229 kmed said:

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All in the read option when RGMe needed to be accounted for. I have concerns about him in a more traditional offense.

Games with Kirk Cousins for Morris

@ Denver - 17 carries, 93 yards, 1 TD

vs. KC - 12 carries, 31 yards (Top 2 defense last year. They got clobbered 45-10, not exactly his fault.)

@ ATL - 18 carries, 98 yards, reception for 8 yards

vs. Dallas - 24 carries, 88 yards, 1 TD

@ NYG - 16 carries, 62 yards, 2 receptions for 21 yards


Every single one of those games were a loss and there was no RG3 to account for. They will still have to account for RG3s arm, which should be enough for Morris.

but I'm really hoping that somehow he falls to me in the 3rd due to a lack of name recognition.

Having DJax is also going to stretch the field. Morris does not strike me at all as a guy who won't succeed outside of a read option offense. In fact, I think he's very traditionally built and has the build and skill set to be a productive workhorse RB.

I'm hoping to steal brown late 2nd early 3rd. If I can pick 4th I'll draft a forte or AP, whoever slips, then take one of brown, aj green, Dez or dem Thomas with my late 2nd and maybe one of alshon Jeffrey, jordy, maybe garçon in the 3rd... Maybe even ant brown slips to 3 but i doubt it.. He is kind of an under the radar guy tho..

It's not as if Morris is some waterbug RB who was a product of the system. He's a big, one cut, traditional back that can succeed in any system IMO. He's just a really good reliable RB.

In comment 11819280 djm said:

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I'm hoping to steal brown late 2nd early 3rd. If I can pick 4th I'll draft a forte or AP, whoever slips, then take one of brown, aj green, Dez or dem Thomas with my late 2nd and maybe one of alshon Jeffrey, jordy, maybe garçon in the 3rd... Maybe even ant brown slips to 3 but i doubt it.. He is kind of an under the radar guy tho..

Are you in a 10 team or 12 team league?...I would be shocked if Dez or Thomas are there in the 2nd round for you if you are picking 4th and if they are run to the board to place your pick...

At the very least, early 2nd.

but it's one thing to game plan for a backup QB and it's another to gameplan for a full season of a particular offense. I just don't see RGme running that much and I don't think he's a great pocket passer so teams can key on Morris more. I like him as a back, but his stone hands will hurt him for fantasy purposes being in an offense that defenses can key on the RB.

is there as well...Dez and Thomas could and should go late 1st early 2nd..

and LeSean McCoy for the #11 overall pick. I'm pretty psyched about that.

As for Alfred Morris, he looked pretty good to me against the Browns on Monday night. I think Gruden will be able to give him a very good running system. And Helu, on the other hand, has not looked good to me -- missing blocks, dropping passes. I think Morris is going to be closer to a featured back than most other running backs this year.

or even Marshall are available late in the 2nd.

In my league. I think those 2 guys are those guys that everyone thinks is a semi sleeper (when it comes to early rounds) but in reality everyone knows about them.

You guys will make great scapegoats if it turns bad for me.

and some 10 team mocks i've taken one of those stud WRs makes it to mid late 2nd....and so on..

I don't think Dez has ever made it that far..and Dem Thomas probably hasn't either but I know Marshall has...one of those big 5-6 WRS seems to always slip...

In comment 11819307 djm said:

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and some 10 team mocks i've taken one of those stud WRs makes it to mid late 2nd....and so on..

Like i said before if one of Dez, Dem Thomas, or Aj Green are sitting there run to the draft board..you shouldnt even think twice...

If i get pick 10-12 i am going Dez or Thomas in the first round and may try to pair 1 of them with AJ Green or Marshall...

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I got a 4 slot

these mocks are about as meaningful as the NFL mock drafts...actually they are even more pathetic and useless..but i love em

In comment 11819324 djm said:

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these mocks are about as meaningful as the NFL mock drafts...actually they are even more pathetic and useless..but i love em

Yeah some are..sometimes you get into a good mock with guys who actually know what they are doing and it is a good mock...Other times you see dumb ass picks..

where the first 3 picks were...Peyton, Dem Thomas, Calvin Johnson...i immediately left...

another time someone took Seahawks 6th overall...

Shit like that annoys the shit out of me because then you have to wait until the draft is over before you can start a new one..

i took him but in real life i may take ant brown who was also there...hoping he makes it back

I am heavily debating going WR/WR (if there is value there).

In previous years, I have actually gone QB in Round 1, as the Fantasy League is geared so heavily towards passing and the NFL itself is becoming the Arena League. I won two years ago and came in 2nd this year (the opposing team had Peyton Manning...), so it has proven to work in theory (obviously you need to hit on the rest of your upper picks and find a couple guys late).

Yes, the league's scoring is really abnormal and slants things - but everyone voted to keep it status quo.

General thoughts? I know I can get Calvin Johnson in Round 1 and the hope/prayer would be for BMarsh/Julio in Round 2. I would even consider going WR again Round 3 if I could get a Nelson/Cobb level player, but think I may be putting too many eggs in the basket and may realistically be looking at the two GB players with my #2 pick.

Anyone go completely off the deep end like this and have it work?

and i'd be pissed if i passed on him in the 2nd for MArshall. JEffrey was still there in rd 3---so i could have taken brown, then jeffrey---as of now i took garcon instead because i didnt want 2 wrs from same team..i also have forte--3 skill players from same team is crazy..

in most leagues brown and marshall were about even..jeffrey wasn't too far behind.

In comment 11819358 UAGiant said:

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I am heavily debating going WR/WR (if there is value there). In previous years, I have actually gone QB in Round 1, as the Fantasy League is geared so heavily towards passing and the NFL itself is becoming the Arena League. I won two years ago and came in 2nd this year (the opposing team had Peyton Manning...), so it has proven to work in theory (obviously you need to hit on the rest of your upper picks and find a couple guys late). Yes, the league's scoring is really abnormal and slants things - but everyone voted to keep it status quo. General thoughts? I know I can get Calvin Johnson in Round 1 and the hope/prayer would be for BMarsh/Julio in Round 2. I would even consider going WR again Round 3 if I could get a Nelson/Cobb level player, but think I may be putting too many eggs in the basket and may realistically be looking at the two GB players with my #2 pick. Anyone go completely off the deep end like this and have it work?

My friend did it last year in our 12 team league...he went Aj, Julio then Cruz first 3 rounds...he finished 2nd in the league even with Julio's injury...

Luck
Zac Stacy
deangelo Williams
AJ
Edelman
Crabtree
Vernon Davis
Niners
Crosby

In comment 11819370 nygiants16 said:

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My friend did it last year in our 12 team league...he went Aj, Julio then Cruz first 3 rounds...he finished 2nd in the league even with Julio's injury...

When did he look for a QB (and who did he end up with)?

Also - its pretty much Calvin or bust at WR when you have the #4, correct? I feel he'll be the most consistent, but think Dez may be more explosive and Demaryius may actually be more productive in Denver's offense.

i got forte, jennings and matthews as my rbs
marshall, garcon at wr.

I think i'd prefer ant brown and jeffrey to marshall/garcon and I could have done that but it's splitting hairs...that's a pretty nasty starting 5.

In comment 11819382 UAGiant said:

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In comment 11819370 nygiants16 said: Quote: My friend did it last year in our 12 team league...he went Aj, Julio then Cruz first 3 rounds...he finished 2nd in the league even with Julio's injury... When did he look for a QB (and who did he end up with)? Also - its pretty much Calvin or bust at WR when you have the #4, correct? I feel he'll be the most consistent, but think Dez may be more explosive and Demaryius may actually be more productive in Denver's offense.

He ended up with Luck...

Yeah if you are going to go WR at 4 its Calvin or Bust...I really like Dez and Thomas but i dont think you can take them that high..

In comment 11819387 nygiants16 said:

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He ended up with Luck... Yeah if you are going to go WR at 4 its Calvin or Bust...I really like Dez and Thomas but i dont think you can take them that high..

That's what I keep landing on - I really wish I was picking around 8/9, as I'd much prefer to have a shot at two 1A-level WRs instead of 1AA (that I'm slightly weary of because Detroit always withers at crunch time, plus the addition of Tate) and a 1B. I think the WR/WR strategy ultimately makes more sense at that draft position, but playing the conservative draft (RB-1, WR-2, etc.) doesn't cut it - especially in this league.

I learned #1 is taking McCoy, so I'm 99% taking Forte.

I need to solidify 17/20, keeper league, so not everyone is available, but here are the top 25, if you had to pick two players to go with my threesome of (Forte, julio Jones (7th round) and Harvin (8th round) who would it be.

The only QB's kept are Brady and Peyton.

So, other than QB's for a moment my to 20 remaining players are (and I removed TE's because Graham and Gronk were keepers and it's a non TE mandatory league):

What's realistic to expect and target at 17/20?

Not a true ranked order per se
1. Calvin Johnson WR | DET
2. Brandon Marshall WR | CHI
3. Adrian Peterson RB | MIN
4. Dez Bryant WR | DAL
5. DeMarco Murray RB | DAL
6. A.J. Green WR | CIN
7. Arian Foster RB | HOU
8. Randall Cobb WR | GB
9. Doug Martin RB | TB
10. Andre Johnson WR | HOU
11. Andre Ellington RB | ARI
12. Larry Fitzgerald WR | ARI
13. Marshawn Lynch RB | SEA
14. Pierre Garcon WR | WAS
15. Toby Gerhart RB | JAC
16. Vincent Jackson WR | TB
17. Alfred Morris RB | WAS
18. Roddy White WR | ATL
19. Michael Floyd WR | ARI
20. Bishop Sankey RB | TEN
21. Reggie Bush RB | DET
22. Wes Welker WR | DEN
23. Shane Vereen RB | NE
24. Victor Cruz WR | NYG

Is Roddy White and Reggie Bush/Vereen realistic and decent decent? Joique Bell was a keeper,

or would you rather have Alfred Morris and Wes Welker?

Don't get me wrong, I like Brown and have him ranked right after Marshall, but 2 years ago Marshall was the #1 overall WR. Last year he was tied with Brown and he caught 100 balls and was still Cutlers #1 target. When cutler was out, Jeffery became the #1 target.

a common theme but I'll take Dez Bryant this year over Marshall and Brown.

I think he has a huge year and those three were within 10 points of each other in my league last year.

i am taking Brown over Marshall...i dont care what Jeffery does..all Jeffery is doing is opening the field up more for Marshall and Cutler always looks to Marshall near the red zonea nd when he is in trouble...

I am doing a 12 team mock now from teh 10th slot...Trying out WR-Wr

went Dez and AJ first 2 rounds..

for me as well. I think most people would agree.

In comment 11819416 pjcas18 said:

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a common theme but I'll take Dez Bryant this year over Marshall and Brown. I think he has a huge year and those three were within 10 points of each other in my league last year.

I dont think anyone would argue taking Dez over Marshall and Brown..

a common theme