If Eli throws 25 TD's this year...

In comment 11814889 bob in tx said:

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you've become an apologist? --contrarian r

Source?

and QB's in previous years. It can be an apple-to-apple comparison.

Eli played great during the playoff runs, no doubt. I just think too much weight is placed on the 2 SB wins when evaluating his career IMO. His regular season resume is just filled with too much inconsistency for me to say he's a HOF QB. Like you said, it's a team accomplish and a SB Chip cannot usally be won without great QB play. History has proven that, but you also need a great TEAM to win as well.
He's an All time Giant great, just not a HOFer IMO.

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In comment 11814689 Geeman said:

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for the GREAT performance of our Dline in both SBs, there would not have been a Championship. In 2007 SB he was 19-34 for 255 2 TDs and 1 int. It wasn't a great performance up until his last 2 drives of the game. The story was the play of the defensive line IMO though. He was very fortunate to escape the grasp of the pats Dlineman, but he stayed alive for the historic heave to Tyree. The 2011 SB was a great performance. 30 -40 for 296yds is a great SB performance topped off by the throw to Mario.

consider the fact that the offense was ranked 14th and the defense 17th in 2007

and the offense was ranked 9th while the defense was ranked 25th in 2011... I'd surmise that you are probably wrong.

"The past is the fucking past. This is the present."

In comment 11815180 Josh in the City said:

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"The past is the fucking past. This is the present."

Who are you quoting?

pregame speech in 2007 playoffs.

In comment 11815134 blakjedi said:

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consider the fact that the offense was ranked 14th and the defense 17th in 2007 and the offense was ranked 9th while the defense was ranked 25th in 2011... I'd surmise that you are probably wrong.

The '11 defense was between average and stinky, no argument there. But the '07 defense was a lot better than you are trying to paint. They ranked 7th overall in yards allowed... the points allowed were higher in large part because of the turnovers on offense that year (think Minnesota game, for example).

Eli had a great run in the '07 playoffs... but to get to the playoffs that year we relied on our Defense and a very efficient running game. Regular season 2007 Eli was a game manager... can't really argue otherwise.

Now 2011 Eli... that guy was phenominal. Different story... I want THAT guy back this year.

and it wasn't just the playoff run...He was incredible all year...Set the single season record for comebacks in the 4th quarter with 10 including the playoffs...I think the Giants had the 32nd ranked rushing attack that year...The D came on late but was still inconsistent

Eli absolutely put the team on his shoulders and carried it to a championship

I want 30 or more....

and who the whiny pussies are. Along with those yardage and TD stats, let's remind some "fans" that there are 2 Super Bowl wins in there too.

So take your INTs criticisms and shove them up your ass? Protect Eli and see if his INT rate is much above the average of all QBs.