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In comment 11818681 Bill L said:

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I'll also point out that we vaccinate against viruses and attempt antivirals when infected. We send Bruce Willis to blow up the asteroid. We do what we can, secure buildings , get early warning, do what we need to do to protect ourselves against hurricanes. In most cases we do a bit more than say that it's been a really good run and we're glad we got live in a really cool place.

Right, we send Bruce Willis, secure buildings, etc. We take prudent and cautious actions. What we don't do is lob nukes at a hypothetical threat.

I am not advocating against having reasonable protections or plans for disaster. I am advocating against letting the specter of danger transform our culture and our mental state.

No bomb detonated by a group like ISIS can possibly destroy America, or Western civilization, or democratic values, or any other institution or component of our culture. Our reaction to the act, or our fear of the hypothetical future possibility of that act can do a hell of a lot of damage, though. That is what terrorism is about.

it's all it won't destroy us so just let it happen and move on. Yeah, you don't preemptorily nuke, but there certainly is enough evidence *now* for us to take measures to eradicate* ISIS.





*"Eradicate" does not not mean nuke Mecca or even ISIS itself.

You should run this by your Muslim friends the next time you break bread with them and see what they think.

Please video it and post to youtube.

Thanks!

His posting history has been that of being prudent more than aggressively reactive/preemptive.

And really, no one should be coming to the defense of BluLou's idiotic fear-mongering post, which totally lacks any kind of proportionality. Thank god other Israelis (at least the ones I know) don't prescribe to such aggressive stance.

Bill L, I'm not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse, or just not reading what people are writing. Who has said do nothing and not go after ISIS and destroy them? The discussion is on nuclear weapons, and the fact you even seemed to acknowledge it as a possibility is bizarre.

BlueLou is just lost cause. He has shown over and over on this board to be just a bad guy.

I mean doesn't the burqa hide a 9 trying to pass for a 10? Yes this what I spend my time thinking about

And in his younger days banged 10's in San Fran!

That's got to count for something.

You drank his swill? How do you know it's good?

comment. I guess there was more to it than just a joke.

People on BBI don't lie.

In comment 11818722 Nitro said:

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Point blank, you are a fucking retard. Your overt, obsequious religiosity combined with your bigoted bullshit deserve no quarter here. It's masqueraded racism under the guise of something devout. Pa-fucking-thetic. I'll do something your unable to, and not lump the rest of Israelis and associated wannabes with your written diarrhea, if I did I'd be liable to come out pro-Hamas. This isn't a Haaretz comment section, I don't know why the fuck you'd think anyone finds your words worth a listen. Maybe this sort of shit plays in the self-fellating circles you run in, but this and other examples of your verbal santorum has help drive far better posters than you away from the site. So here's to nukes in shitty vineyards of midlife crisis losers. Go fuck yourself.

This is a fantastic post. Nitro's the best.

maybe the secret ingredient is 3 percent dead Palestinian blood? It gives it the kick

Pro Israel anti Blue Lou for the record

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Cam Headhunter : 8:18 am : link : reply maybe the secret ingredient is 3 percent dead Palestinian blood? It gives it the kick

Either way it was one of those people so close enough.

In comment 11818795 JBGiants said:

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Bill L, I'm not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse, or just not reading what people are writing. Who has said do nothing and not go after ISIS and destroy them? The discussion is on nuclear weapons, and the fact you even seemed to acknowledge it as a possibility is bizarre.

I specifically said that it wasn't an option.

The view I was responding to was bad shit happens but it won't change who we are and we're in a good place so lets have lunch.

Much of what he's posted relating to Israel and the Middle East have been influenced by his emotional reaction to his daily life in Israel. Yes, he's continued to play the persecution card along with "we're alone in our righteous struggle" schtick in almost all threads dealing with the Middle East. However, in my opinion, he's proven to be pretty harmless in his posts and shouldn't be mistaken with posters like GWG or others.

I think he needs to take a little break and stop digging in on his dumb posts, as he's not doing himself any favor.

I'm in no way defending the pov that nukes should be used.

The MotherTeresa of BBI who sees the good in everyone

That includes a well placed drone strike, not necessarily a scorched earth bombing. But people (the right people if possible) have to be killed.

In comment 11818820 RC02XX said:

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Much of what he's posted relating to Israel and the Middle East have been influenced by his emotional reaction to his daily life in Israel. Yes, he's continued to play the persecution card along with "we're alone in our righteous struggle" schtick in almost all threads dealing with the Middle East. However, in my opinion, he's proven to be pretty harmless in his posts and shouldn't be mistaken with posters like GWG or others. I think he needs to take a little break and stop digging in on his dumb posts, as he's not doing himself any favor.

BlueLou's in Israel? Is he Jewish?

In comment 11818828 Some Fan said:

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That includes a well placed drone strike, not necessarily a scorched earth bombing. But people (the right people if possible) have to be killed.

Gotcha...when I think of brute force, I think of throwing everything you have at an objective. Just a difference in how we define brute force.

In comment 11818825 Headhunter said:

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The MotherTeresa of BBI who sees the good in everyone

Haha...reformed hut burner.

In comment 11818825 Headhunter said:

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The MotherTeresa of BBI who sees the good in everyone

She was actually sort of a terrible person who did a lot of harm.

So perfect analogy, really.

In comment 11818722 Nitro said:

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So here's to nukes in shitty vineyards of midlife crisis losers.

I almost spit out my coffee reading this (tips cap).

In comment 11818705 BlueLou said:

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Before leveling Mecca? Was it not OBVIOUS I was neither advocating nor suggesting killing millions of people? Hell I didn't suggest killing ONE. The idea was to retaliate against the Jihadis' success at destroying a powerful symbol of Western culture by taking down and even more powerful symbol of Islam. I get the dudes with the pitchforks and convenient myopia missing that little point, but would have bet you'd have caught it. 2nd round is on me I guess.

Did it ever occur to you that that symbol of Islam might be pretty important to millions of American citizens who practice Islam? Maybe your country doesn't give a shit its Muslim population but ours does.

In comment 11818835 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 11818820 RC02XX said: Quote: Much of what he's posted relating to Israel and the Middle East have been influenced by his emotional reaction to his daily life in Israel. Yes, he's continued to play the persecution card along with "we're alone in our righteous struggle" schtick in almost all threads dealing with the Middle East. However, in my opinion, he's proven to be pretty harmless in his posts and shouldn't be mistaken with posters like GWG or others. I think he needs to take a little break and stop digging in on his dumb posts, as he's not doing himself any favor. BlueLou's in Israel? Is he Jewish?

He apparently also has a hot niece or something. Not that this would be particularly relevant to you.

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when the bleeding heart's try to defend Hamas, ask them if Israel would do this to it's own people?
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For murdering three politicians. :(

that would only kill Hamas.

why do these pieces of shit wear masks? What are they hiding from? According to them, there is nothing wrong with what they do, so why hide?

Fucking cowards

that's a good quick short list of reasons why of course the US shouldn't and couldn't nuke Mecca...

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Overseer : 8/22/2014 1:11 am : link : reply and even if one assumes it's logistically possible to evacuate a city of 2M people in 4 weeks (it's not), you understand, right, that you would be destroying what is a cherished site to Muslims everywhere? Not merely to the wicked elements. Even ignoring the fact that it would irreparably alienate US allies everywhere (I'm sure Pakistan would love it), why would you punish Indonesian Muslims, Turkish Muslims, American Muslims, etc. because of the psychotic actions of a small group of terrorists? Finally, after your benevolent "warning" is disclosed, do you expect Riyadh to just sit idly by for their 3rd largest city to be leveled? "Hey if you could make sure the radiation doesn't waft toward Jeddah 50 miles to the west, that'd be great. And we'll make sure OPEC isn't interrupted at all for you. Thaaaaanks."

The one question I have with that reasoning is that I don't think this view exists in a large part of Palestinian Muslims - "...because of the psychotic actions of a small group of terrorists?" IE I think a lot Palestinians, Jihadis or not, have strong sympathy with the Gazan Jihadis and don't view them or their actions as "psychotic" at all. That's your Western take on what/who the Jihadis are; I have no idea what the Islamic world at large thinks of them.

I have known American Muslims who feel strongly that the Jihadis have very good reasons to be fighting Israel, and think of them as "freedom fighters" rather than "psychotics." Keep in mind that small crowds of Palestinian cheering the WTC coming down was real, and not necessarily some small group of "psychotics."

Someone above linked the NYTimes article about the extrajudicial assassinations of a group of (was it 7 or 9 or 11) Gazans accused of being "collaborators" with Israel in the wake of two Israeli targeted assassinations of Hamas' military leaders on Thursday. Reading the article is one not struck by the "boisterous crowd" witnessing the assassinations? Or the number of young and very young children among those inspecting the blood stains immediately following the assassinations?

Ronnie, hey man thanks for that!

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I don't think that BluLou is a bad guy or anything of the sort... RC02XX : 8/22/2014 8:27 am : link : reply Much of what he's posted relating to Israel and the Middle East have been influenced by his emotional reaction to his daily life in Israel.

Nitro, I got three things to say about your diatribe, or rather three things to say that I will post...

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bluelou Nitro : 8/22/2014 1:49 am : link : reply Point blank, you are a fucking retard. Your overt, obsequious religiosity combined with your bigoted bullshit deserve no quarter here. It's masqueraded racism under the guise of something devout. Pa-fucking-thetic. I'll do something your unable to, and not lump the rest of Israelis and associated wannabes with your written diarrhea, if I did I'd be liable to come out pro-Hamas. This isn't a Haaretz comment section, I don't know why the fuck you'd think anyone finds your words worth a listen. Maybe this sort of shit plays in the self-fellating circles you run in, but this and other examples of your verbal santorum has help drive far better posters than you away from the site. So here's to nukes in shitty vineyards of midlife crisis losers. Go fuck yourself.

The first is clearly you know absolutely nothing about what the Ha'aretz posts in their comments section.

The second is that I am impressed by your diction re the use of santorum, I had to look that up in Urban dictionary. Not really surprised you are familiar with the term though.

The third is that you have anger management issues that you should seek counseling for. If my posts, on a website forum, incite you to such hateful diatribe, how would you handle having missiles lobbed at you daily, I wonder?

And go fuck yourself, if you haven't already in one way or another...

someone knows what the term santorum means?

I mean, now you know what it means, too. Can the same assumptions you've made about Nitro's awareness of it be applied to you in the future?

I learned the term from Nitro, you sayin' maybe he got it from Brett?


The word, I mean.

You said RE: santorum:

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Not really surprised you are familiar with the term though.

What makes you so un-surprised that he'd know the term?

What inferences about a person can me made for knowing that term that you don't find surprising?

How, now that you know the meaning of the term, do those same inferences now not apply to you?

rapier's wit, this one.

duck and cover fucko.

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The one question I have with that reasoning is that I don't think this view exists in a large part of Palestinian Muslims - "...because of the psychotic actions of a small group of terrorists?" IE I think a lot Palestinians, Jihadis or not, have strong sympathy with the Gazan Jihadis and don't view them or their actions as "psychotic" at all. That's your Western take on what/who the Jihadis are; I have no idea what the Islamic world at large thinks of them.

From my experience dealing with more than a few Muslims, I can tell you that the majority of the Islamic world most likely do not identify with Jihadists. That doesn't mean that many don't empathize with the Palestinians and see Israel as heavyhanded oppressors of sort. However, to somehow prescribe to more than a billion people such ridiculous views because you know a specific group of people seem pretty arrogant on your part.

"From my experience dealing with more than a few Muslims, I can tell you that the majority of the Islamic world most likely do not identify with Jihadists. That doesn't mean that many don't empathize with the Palestinians and see Israel as heavyhanded oppressors of sort. However, to somehow prescribe to more than a billion people such ridiculous views because you know a specific group of people seem pretty arrogant on your part."

What makes you think the Muslims you have dealt with make you more prepared to assess what the billion + Muslims on the planet think about Jihadists? I highly doubt anyone (even a Muslim individual) can easily know that answer

In comment 11822655 footballgmen said:

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"From my experience dealing with more than a few Muslims, I can tell you that the majority of the Islamic world most likely do not identify with Jihadists. That doesn't mean that many don't empathize with the Palestinians and see Israel as heavyhanded oppressors of sort. However, to somehow prescribe to more than a billion people such ridiculous views because you know a specific group of people seem pretty arrogant on your part." What makes you think the Muslims you have dealt with make you more prepared to assess what the billion + Muslims on the planet think about Jihadists? I highly doubt anyone (even a Muslim individual) can easily know that answer

I see what you did there. I guess it comes down to which side of humanity you want to believe in. Do you choose to believe that the overwhelming view is that of supporting extreme views? Or that of people just wanting to live their lives?

I've dealt with Muslims from almost all nations in the Middle East and Southwest/east Asia, and almost all of them were no different than Americans in their desire to live a peaceful life without bothering anyone else. So I choose to believe that extremism and the support of it is the exception and not the norm. But hey, if you want to view them all as threats, that's your prerogative.

The vast majority of the most extreme Muslim groups around the world are Sunni Salafists, which most other Sunnis oppose. Al Qaeda, ISIS. Boco Haram, and Shabazz are all Salafist. Most of the schools in Saudi Arabia teach Wahabism, which is closely alligned with Salafism, and they also export it to schools in other Muslim countries.

The primary source of funding for the Salafists for the past 5 decades has been Saudi Arabia. Even though the ruling monarchy opposes the Salafists, they are basically too cowardly to take on the powerful clerics in their country who support them. So, the rest of the world suffers the consequences.
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get a lot of money...

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The men were reported to be ‘interested in money’ from the start of the kidnap ordeal, even bragging to prisoners about how much they were making. A security source revealed last night that £24 million was paid by at least four European countries for the release of 11 hostages last year. British and US hostages were seen as being in a ‘different category,’ he said – so demands for an £80 million ransom on Foley were set deliberately high as a provocation. It has also emerged that: • Security services believe they are close to identifying the British militants who executed Foley. • The East Londoners formed a specialist kidnap gang, operating in Syria for up to two years. • They are thought to have possibly been involved in the seizure of several Westerners, including Foley. • Their leader was not ‘John’, the left-handed man wielding the knife in the horrific video of Foley’s death, but ‘George’, who goes under the nom-de-guerre of Abu Muhareb (‘Fighter’). • One former hostage described them as ‘sadistic psychopaths’, regularly handing out brutal ‘punishments’ that included the use of Tasers on hands and bodies. • They were so vicious that at one stage they were stopped from guarding hostages by IS.

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It has a worse reputation for bias and shitty journalism than Fox News does.

but certainly in the neighborhood.

just was playing devils advocate. I try really hard to believe in the goodness of the world, but there is evil. And evil does have support, the question is how much.

I equate hamas with Isis (i am sure others dont). Seeing the protests around the world supporting Hamas does make me question whether Muslims in the world want peace with Americans/Jews. And I assume that these protesters for Hamas are fans of Isis to a degree to. That could be my mistake

instead of just dismissing it because you don't like the source. Perhaps you will like this source better.
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the Daily Mail.

"the media" covers things. If these are examples of what you consider to be "the media" it's no wonder why you're getting shitty impressions of how stories are portrayed.

As the suspected killer.

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a former British rapper named Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary who used to perform under the name L Jinney and appeared on BBC Radio in 2012.

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