BREAKING: Islamic State, in video titled "A Message to America," beheads American journalist James Wright Foley.
I believe he was captured 3 years ago or so.
I accidentally came across the graphic pics.....you don't want to go there.
Also they are threatening to behead another journalist. Sick, sick bastards.
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yep
it's an ideology common to many - they are just taking it to the next 'logical' place of that ideology because they have the power to do so over these people.
They picked up a few hundred million when they took Mosul, unfortunately right now they have deep pockets of their own making.
The average man on the street has to have something worth living for that is more valuable than a fairy tale worth dying for.
Scary stuff and I know I don't have the answers...
What I got from the Vice Doc (I've watched the whole thing) these are a bunch of chodes with a loose understanding of everything (people, government, the Koran, etc) who've used civil war and whatever the f we did to Iraq to score some easy wins. They're amateur hour and need to be put down asap.
At least it's not Ferguson. Jints had grown tired of that as a flashpoint topic.
Sad state of affairs.
We have oil....foothold in mideast...kill all
terrorists...save a lot of money....
otherwise. Get the hell out...we have enough problems
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It's not to excuse the horrors of more traditional warfare, but this is that next level of willful brutality that decidedly renders these actors truly sickening. Enormously war-weary (understandably), still Americans are behind snuffing them out.
I'm all for that. Just figured it was noting that a fiscal strike isn't going to be the most effective tactic in this case, they do need to be physical eviscerated and a stepped up bombing campaign is likely to be needed to do so.
It's not to excuse the horrors of more traditional warfare, but this is that next level of willful brutality that decidedly renders these actors truly sickening. Enormously war-weary (understandably), still Americans are behind snuffing them out.
uhhhh ok dude whatever. You can assign whatever breaking point you have and I will assign mine. I don't think the differences are very great. I think they are thiiiiiiiiis close to one another. Just because you are accepting of one kind of brutality and not of another doesn;t mean I have to be. One guy chops off someones head and the other one starves and tortures and shoots in the head, and drops in a hole in the ground. Both atrocities and shameful human behavior. This may be "worse" but its not in a different ballpark.
But ok "one notism"
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Reading comprehension. There are indeed degrees, however. Rape is reprehensible. Raping a child is moreso.
Those were separate points, by the way (hence the two paragraphs. One on your paranoia about a perceived universal reprobation of the Jews. The other my view of ISIS's brutality.
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Just because you are accepting of one kind of brutality and not of another
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not to excuse the horrors of more traditional warfare
Reading comprehension. There are indeed degrees, however. Rape is reprehensible. Raping a child is moreso.
Those were separate points, by the way (hence the two paragraphs. One on your paranoia about a perceived universal reprobation of the Jews. The other my view of ISIS's brutality.
yes the "paranoia" routine. The extremely typical response to any Jewish defense. The "complex". The "paranoia". The "perception". It's old news and an old routine. The point is to continue to make it clear whenever possible and then point out those who complain about the "paranoia".
But anyway...point is these people are not people. And a bigger problem may just be how many of these people are not people.
Really dude?
JAMES FOLEY I call on my friends, family, and loved ones to rise up against my real killers, the US government. For what will happen to me is only a result of their complacency and criminality.
My message to my beloved parents, save me some dignity, and don't accept some meagre compensation, for my death, from the same people who effectively hit the last nail in my coffin with their recent aerial campaign in Iraq.
I call on my brother John, who is a member of the US air force. Think about what you are doing, think about the lives you destroy, including those of your own family. I call on you John, think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been. Think John, who did they really kill? And did they think about me, you, our family when they made that decision?
I died that day John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on those people they signed my death certificate. I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again. But that ship has sailed. I guess all in all I wish I wasn't American.
EXECUTIONER This is James Wright Foley, an American citizen of your country. As a government, you have been at the forefront of the aggression towards the Islamic State. You have plotted against us and have gone far out of your way to find reasons to interfere in our affairs. Today, your military air force is attacking us daily in Iraq, your strikes have caused casualties among Muslims. You're no longer fighting an insurgency, we are an Islamic army, and a state that has been accepted by large number of Muslims world wide, so effectively, any aggression towards the Islamic State, is aggression towards Muslims from all walks of life who has accepted the Islamic caliphate as their leadership, so any attempt by you Obama to deny the Muslims their rights of living in safety under the Islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people.
NEW PRISONER SHOWN - CAPTION - Steven Joel Sotloff
The life of this American Citizen Obama, depends on your next decision.
The world is denouncing ISIS and the the US (and Peshmerga) is not twiddling their thumbs.
So, yes, when you bring up "Zionists" in a thread that really has nothing to do with them, and then you make stuff up on top of it...you indeed come off paranoid.
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I think the Zionists know what they are dealing with while the rest of the world twiddles their thumbs and tries to avoid offending anyone but the Jews.
The world is denouncing ISIS and the the US (and Peshmerga) is not twiddling their thumbs.
So, yes, when you bring up "Zionists" in a thread that really has nothing to do with them, and then you make stuff up on top of it...you indeed come off paranoid.
My mention of the "Zionists" was meant to describe the way they have experienced these types of groups and to show that the way to deal with these people is not through kind words and diplomacy or politics. They aren't interested in it. My point was that they have experience with groups like this and should be an example instead of thought of as over-reactionary.
Saudia Arabia and Egypt have already come out and said as much.
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Thanks for this buford.
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that the Islamic world needs to stand up and fight along side the "West" against these people who claim to represent their entire nation of people? Muslims around the world can't possibly accept these people as their representatives as the "Islamic Nation". Can they?
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Good news and a good start. Hopefully not just for their own personal gain but we shall see.
Yeah I'm comfortable relying on the US military for how to proceed. Don't need Israel to "show us what we're dealing with".
"Why aren't we doing something?"
Yes, they need to stand up but they haven't and I don't think they will. They let the tail wag the dog if that's even a good analogy. No one on the Islamic side speaks up against virtually anything that the most evil and extreme Islamists do. At some point you have to ask why, don't you?
You'd have to ask those in a position to do so. Is that even worth the time.
Now, says Jeffrey, the U.S. has to work both to counter ISIL and to support a new government in Iraq.
“It wouldn’t hurt for him to be more aggressive in use of force where the ISIS guys are moving forward,” Jeffrey says of President Barack Obama, whom he largely praises for recent moves to counter ISIL. “That threatens us, it threatens the Shia, it is a humanitarian issue and potentially it threatens the embassy.”
As for ISIL he believes there is “no limit to their ambitions.”
“You have to kill them,” Jeffrey says. “They never stopped in Iraq even when I was there in 2010 and 2011, they had been totally defeated and they had lost their population, we were on their trails and they still didn’t give up. There is no reasoning with them, there is no containing them, you have to kill them.”
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Because Ferguson doesn't deserve attention or outrage? That seems to be what you're insinuating here... believe it or not it's possible to multi-task with attention and outrage.
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I hope I am wrong but sadly will likely not get near the attention or outrage that the situation in Ferguson has gotten.
Because Ferguson doesn't deserve attention or outrage? That seems to be what you're insinuating here... believe it or not it's possible to multi-task with attention and outrage.
Do you expect the same coverage on television?
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I hope I am wrong but sadly will likely not get near the attention or outrage that the situation in Ferguson has gotten.
Because Ferguson doesn't deserve attention or outrage? That seems to be what you're insinuating here... believe it or not it's possible to multi-task with attention and outrage.
Do you expect the same coverage on television?
It's the main headline on CNN.com... yeah, I expect similar coverage... but I'd think civil issues in our country might trump our country's television coverage? I'm glad that's your concern.
Enough said. Thanks for your service.
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that the Islamic world needs to stand up and fight along side the "West" against these people who claim to represent their entire nation of people? Muslims around the world can't possibly accept these people as their representatives as the "Islamic Nation". Can they?
Yes, they need to stand up but they haven't and I don't think they will. They let the tail wag the dog if that's even a good analogy. No one on the Islamic side speaks up against virtually anything that the most evil and extreme Islamists do. At some point you have to ask why, don't you?
Any reasonable person would ask why, yes.
Overseer, actually I think they do have a better idea of what we are dealing with than any other population on the planet. And yes I think they have a more accurate perspective on the goals of radical organizations because they've been dealing with it for 60+ years on a more consistent basis than anyone. So I can imagine their private discussions when they get off the phone with John Kerry or other US politicians who preach restraint and diplomacy. They must think some of the desired responses to violence and terrorist threats as idealist and at times laughable.
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I just hope he is decisive.
We can't simply begin the wholesale killing of innocent people.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why we can't have nice things.
He approved dropping bombs and sending equipment. Whatever the merits of not trying to drive a harder bargain with Maliki a couple years ago, that is in the past. We don't have a stomach for another large-scale commitment. Maybe we could step up the air campaign but this is probably a reasonable reading of what the American people are willing to do right now.
You are conflating two separate things. If you want to argue that the pleas for a ceasefire with Hamas are/were foolhardy, fine. But - and this is me repeating what I've previously said to you - the United States is not "twiddling their thumbs" and exercising restraint with ISIS. Knock the CiC for a dilatory response, okay, but they're presently being bombed by US war planes and their regional enemies armed, and it will likely be stepped up more.
So I remain confused about your rather muddled position.
I mean, it had to be made by a dullard.
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We killed plenty of Germans, Japanese, Vietnamese Iraqis. War is hell.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why we can't have nice things.
Those Vietnamese Iraqis were a bitch!
Thanks to the posters who added some insight.
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will our soft President do something ?
He approved dropping bombs and sending equipment. Whatever the merits of not trying to drive a harder bargain with Maliki a couple years ago, that is in the past. We don't have a stomach for another large-scale commitment. Maybe we could step up the air campaign but this is probably a reasonable reading of what the American people are willing to do right now.
Precisely.
Yeahh... No. Let's not punish their innocent family members like it's the 1500s.
I actually don't think we would. And that's independent of soft or tough presidents, predating them likely back to Vietnam. It's who we are. And I honestly think it's why terrorism and Putin, and a whole raft of the like are so successful.
Somehow I don't think you know much about their culture if you think that is the only effective deterrent.
That said- let's not be so incredibly stupid to think that the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
JFC, some of you are fucking stupid and cry about the dumbest shit.
Besides, everybody knows that our Muslim president won't wage war against his own people. His middle name is "Hussein" for Christ's sake! What else more do you need to know about him?
That said- let's not be so incredibly stupid to think that the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
JFC, some of you are fucking stupid and cry about the dumbest shit.
Besides, everybody knows that our Muslim president won't wage war against his own people. His middle name is "Hussein" for Christ's sake! What else more do you need to know about him?
What a completely idiotic, moronic, and just flat out obsurd thing to say... Of course the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
I think he's on to something. Or on something. Or both, as ABSURD as it may sound.
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important than ISIS, no?
That said- let's not be so incredibly stupid to think that the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
JFC, some of you are fucking stupid and cry about the dumbest shit.
Besides, everybody knows that our Muslim president won't wage war against his own people. His middle name is "Hussein" for Christ's sake! What else more do you need to know about him?
What a completely idiotic, moronic, and just flat out obsurd thing to say... Of course the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
I don't think that there is much evidence that they can deal with one.
That said- let's not be so incredibly stupid to think that the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
JFC, some of you are fucking stupid and cry about the dumbest shit.
Besides, everybody knows that our Muslim president won't wage war against his own people. His middle name is "Hussein" for Christ's sake! What else more do you need to know about him?
The original premise is false of course, but I think at least some gov't action is influenced by the news cycle which focuses public attention. So to the extent that *we* know or care about ISIS, the headlines play a role IMO and perhaps there are ripples.
But your other point is an interesting one IMO and perhaps different people will view it differently. I actually think ISIS dwarfs Ferguson. The latter is localized and will shortly be resolved one way or another and then will recede. I see it as a midwest Trayvon Martin and I think it's water-cooler stuff right now but won't make much national impact. I'm not saying that it's not important or newsworthy because it is. But it's a flareup. OTOH, should ISIS eventually lead to us committing to real combat, which I believe it will or a huge and horrific terrorist attack within the States, which I believe it could, then I view that as being more broadly important than Ferguson.
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important than ISIS, no?
That said- let's not be so incredibly stupid to think that the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
JFC, some of you are fucking stupid and cry about the dumbest shit.
Besides, everybody knows that our Muslim president won't wage war against his own people. His middle name is "Hussein" for Christ's sake! What else more do you need to know about him?
What a completely idiotic, moronic, and just flat out obsurd thing to say... Of course the government can't deal with more than one problem at a time.
Wrong! the government can't handle even one problem at a time :)
Really can't argue with that, and I agree with the premise (for the most part).
I worry that things are already a lot further along than it ever got with Trayvon, and that the perception that many folks have re: injustice in the Trayvon case only fuels the fire with perceived injustice in this case.
IMO, things will get much worse before they get better. Of course, I hope I'm wrong and you are correct that it will blow over quickly.
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can i ask what magic pixie dust would you have let you arm the moderate syrians last year but kept the weapons out of isis?
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It would be irresponsible to support a national security policy dependent on infeasible military operations or ludicrous assumptions about an enemy’s shortcomings. War is a matter of matching ends, ways, and means – including political and popular support. It would therefore be irresponsible to support a policy that would require a level of commitment that our political institutions do not possess. Our discourse is too broken. Short of a major terrorist attack, our leaders do not have the ability to produce consensus. And without real national consensus to sustain a strategy, there is no viable mechanism to defeat ISIL.
include a major U.S. commitment on the ground and the renewal of functional governance on both sides of the Iraqi-Syrian border. And no one will, because none exists. But that has not prevented a slew of hacks and wonks from suggesting grandiose policy goals without paying serious attention to the costs of implementation and the fragility of the U.S. political consensus for achieving those goals.
There are few remaining serious voices on foreign policy left in DC a la a Dick Luger. Even on the more highbrow Sunday show, there is so much empty bluster which purports to have easy solutions..."we must take urgent action" etc etc...and we are all worse off for it.
Who are some worthwhile voices then, in your view?
As far as post Cold War foreign policy chops, George H.W. Bush handled the 1989-92 foreign policy challenges about as well as a President possibly could. At his age I'm not sure how much he has deteriorated mentally, but if alright upstairs he could be resource.
James Foley Went Looking to Support Terrorists in Syria, Instead They Cut Off His Head-August 19, 2014 by Daniel Greenfield
James Foley was one of a new breed of activists calling themselves journalists. He didn’t travel to report on a story, but to promote an agenda. And the agendawas obvious from his Twitter feed.
Any human life lost is tragic, but a moral individual would have much more empathy for the Syrian Christians who suffered at the hands of Foley’s favorite Jihadists than one of their pet propagandists.
Foley came to Syria to support the Sunni Islamist rebels against the Syrian government.
He cheered on the Sunni Muslim terrorists fighting to ethnically cleanse the Christians of Aleppo. In the conflict between Israel and Hamas, his tweets and retweets were chock full of pro-terrorist propaganda.
But Foley ran afoul of at least some of the Sunni Jihadists in Syria. His twitter feed was filled with references to the FSA. And the FSA was going to be eclipsed by the Al Qaeda affiliates. And that was where he ended up.
When Austin Tice, an actual freelance journalist was kidnapped by Jihadists, Foley ridiculed the idea that Jihadists had kidnapped him. Surely Syrian Jihadists wouldn’t do that sort of thing.
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I think the better question to ask would be why does he prefer not to.While you're at it, ask where does ISIS get it's funding, and who trained it's original cadre's, and where.
There is a much larger struggle in the mideast going on than ISIS vs syria or ISIS vs Iraq, that looms over everything else and affects all decisions and politics in the region,
and it has nothing to do with Israel.
I mean, it had to be made by a dullard.
I wouldn't worry about it, ISIS already said that when they conquer Saudi Arabia they are going to destroy Mecca and the Kabba, as they claim it is a pagan shrine and the Saudis and other Arabs are worshipping at a pagan alter that is nothing more than a rock, a fallen meteorite.Muslims will destroy Mecca long before we ever get around to it.
As for David Horowitz:
David Joel Horowitz (born January 10, 1939) is an American conservative writer. He is a founder and current president of the think tank the David Horowitz Freedom Center, editor of FrontPage Magazine, and director of Discover the Networks, a website that tracks individuals and groups on the political left. Horowitz founded the organization Students for Academic Freedom, whose self-stated goal is combating what it calls the "leftist indoctrination" in academia.
Sounds more like an obtuse disaproval of the Editors philosophy than any actual disagreement with the substance or text of the article. One look at Foley's twitter page tells you all you need to know about his anti-US anti-Israel pro-terrorist ideals.
How someone can imply Horowitz is a hack and maintain Foley wasn't is beyond me.It's a shame he died but cheering on muslims killing Christians doesn't make me a big fan.
At the moment, the answer is the banks they looted in Mosul.
Sounds like something Michael Scott would do. I betcha he quotes himself quoting other people too.
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While you're at it, ask where does ISIS get it's funding
At the moment, the answer is the banks they looted in Mosul.
Total ISIS assets over 3 Billion. Where did the other 2.5 BILLION come from? ISIS just popped up out of the ground?
It didn't.
Martin Chulov reported a senior intelligence official as saying:
"By the end of the week, we soon realised that we had to do some accounting for them," said the official flippantly. "Before Mosul, their total cash and assets were $875m [£515m]. Afterwards, with the money they robbed from banks and the value of the military supplies they looted, they could add another $1.5bn to that."
Rounding to two decimal points gives us an upper estimate of $2.38bn [£1.4bn] for what the group might have access to. Any number in the billions obviously seems a lot, so we took a detailed look at how that compares with other military spending.
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A series of documents discovered after an arrest has helped expose the finances of the Iraqi insurgent group Isis (the Islamic state in Iraq and the Levant), which seized control of the cities of Mosul and Tikrit last week.
Martin Chulov reported a senior intelligence official as saying:
"By the end of the week, we soon realised that we had to do some accounting for them," said the official flippantly. "Before Mosul, their total cash and assets were $875m [£515m]. Afterwards, with the money they robbed from banks and the value of the military supplies they looted, they could add another $1.5bn to that."
Rounding to two decimal points gives us an upper estimate of $2.38bn [£1.4bn] for what the group might have access to. Any number in the billions obviously seems a lot, so we took a detailed look at how that compares with other military spending.
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Your point being they are and have been self funded. OK.
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A series of documents discovered after an arrest has helped expose the finances of the Iraqi insurgent group Isis (the Islamic state in Iraq and the Levant), which seized control of the cities of Mosul and Tikrit last week.
Martin Chulov reported a senior intelligence official as saying:
"By the end of the week, we soon realised that we had to do some accounting for them," said the official flippantly. "Before Mosul, their total cash and assets were $875m [£515m]. Afterwards, with the money they robbed from banks and the value of the military supplies they looted, they could add another $1.5bn to that."
Rounding to two decimal points gives us an upper estimate of $2.38bn [£1.4bn] for what the group might have access to. Any number in the billions obviously seems a lot, so we took a detailed look at how that compares with other military spending.
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Ignoring other contributors to this particular point, I'm not sure the article's figures are all that relevant. The fact that it causes us a few hundred million to put a fighter or a bomber in the air or a couple million to keep a soldier in the field in Afghanistan for a year has little bearing on what it costs to keep an army of castaways and religious zealots in the fold. While their weapons and armaments cannot keep up with ours no matter how much they have in the tank they could certainly pursue SAMs that could raise the stakes for us (at least to an extent).
Far as SAMs, they have all they need from the 20,000 they picked up in Benghazi after we decided to leave the warehouses they were in, under our custody,unguarded. Never wondered what really happened there?
If they have them, they apparently don't know how to use them. Not a single US, Iraq or Kurd jet, drone of helicopter has been shot down as far as I know.
Unless you expect them to be fired from Libya you going to have to explain how they get transported to Iraq or Syria. I don't see anyone giving them safe passage as they've managed to piss off every standing government in the region.
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Great WHITE Ghost for nothing.
What's the matter RB, WHITE offends you?
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Great WHITE Ghost for nothing.
What's the matter RB, WHITE offends you?
Describing yourself as a WHITE person for no particular reason puts you in the company of people that is very telling, actually.
except that never happened. I explained the origin of the name 5 times here, I'm sure you saw it at least once, I'm not going to do it again, has nothing to do with me, or what color I am.But go on with your own bad self making shit up, it's what you're good at.
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I like how a comment about the journalist being a terrorist sympathizer becomes about how I'm a racist. Which is a lie to begin with. But you keep at it.Not that I give 2 shits about Horowitz or his politics.And not that he even wrote the article.
Is your point that Foley wasn't a pro islamist terrorist progandist? Or do you simply have another agenda? because you never did respond to the original point, like the other obfuscation artists in here.
Feel free to start another thread on Horowitz if you like.
This was about James Foley, this thread here.
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Great WHITE Ghost for nothing.
What's the matter RB, WHITE offends you?
If anything should offend me, it's that you're white.
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without GORGA.
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And, for the record, it was you who cited FrontPage as somehow being authoritative.
You have a nice day now, you and bob.So full of spunk, you two.
In a fair way, Israeli style, to minimize innocent casualties - warn them a month beforehand.
"Hello, Islamic world? Your bad element took down the WTC buildings in NY? We are going to wipe Mecca off the map in retaliation. But to show you how fair minded we are, and how considerate of innocent human life, we are telling you beforehand. Leave Mecca, and anywhere within 200 miles of Mecca, because we are going to destroy it with nuclear weapons. And BTW, we have lots more of them to use if need be!"
Now that would be a message that radical Islamists would understand.
And you know if we don't nuke them they WILL nuke us. It's just a matter of time before some nit witted Jihadis get their mitts on a nuke, isn't it?
In a fair way, Israeli style, to minimize innocent casualties - warn them a month beforehand.
"Hello, Islamic world? Your bad element took down the WTC buildings in NY? We are going to wipe Mecca off the map in retaliation. But to show you how fair minded we are, and how considerate of innocent human life, we are telling you beforehand. Leave Mecca, and anywhere within 200 miles of Mecca, because we are going to destroy it with nuclear weapons. And BTW, we have lots more of them to use if need be!"
Now that would be a message that radical Islamists would understand.
And you know if we don't nuke them they WILL nuke us. It's just a matter of time before some nit witted Jihadis get their mitts on a nuke, isn't it?
Leaving aside the question of crossing a threshold that has existed for almost 70 years, wouldn't that radicalize several hundred million Muslims who are not currently radical (Indonesia? US?)?
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BlueLou, on behalf of all people with Jewish roots (and well, all people), if you would stop sharing your views publicly, it would be very appreciated. Thanks.
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I laughed...nicely done, Peter.
Even if those numbers are 10 times higher, it's still an infinitesimal percentage of Western Muslims. It's statistically insignificant in all likelihood and tells us nothing more than that there is a very small percentage of psychopaths in just about every group of people. These particular psychopaths just happen to have an outlet that's easy to identify and reach and that pretty much absolves them of accountability that they can't escape at home.
I think that's the fulcrum of this story, not mass disaffection with the West that the author suggests.
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The Soufan group, a security consulting firm, believes there are around 700 from France, 800 from Russia, and almost 300 from Britain. But these figures relate to people analysts have been able to track, and the true numbers may be even higher.
Even if those numbers are 10 times higher, it's still an infinitesimal percentage of Western Muslims. It's statistically insignificant in all likelihood and tells us nothing more than that there is a very small percentage of psychopaths in just about every group of people. These particular psychopaths just happen to have an outlet that's easy to identify and reach and that pretty much absolves them of accountability that they can't escape at home.
I think that's the fulcrum of this story, not mass disaffection with the West that the author suggests.
Well if you consider the people willing to travel and join a jihad to be even a substantial fraction of those who are radicalized to the point of being dangerous (I assume that's a fair assumption), it still remains a very small percentage of the Western Muslim community but not an insignificant one.
LOL
I see no issues coming from this strategy.
Nukes solve everything man.
I see no issues coming from this strategy.
Nukes solve everything man.
Can't really disagree with this. We nuked Japan and they gave us tentacle pr0n as a result. It was a win-win.
Too busy banging tens.
I don't know...while Saudi Arabia isn't your bastion of Jew loving people, the last time I checked, Saudis haven't necessarily tried to blow BluLou up. But hey, one Muslim is same as another, right?
Stop trying to ruin the fun by being understanding.
In a fair way, Israeli style, to minimize innocent casualties - warn them a month beforehand.
"Hello, Islamic world? Your bad element took down the WTC buildings in NY? We are going to wipe Mecca off the map in retaliation. But to show you how fair minded we are, and how considerate of innocent human life, we are telling you beforehand. Leave Mecca, and anywhere within 200 miles of Mecca, because we are going to destroy it with nuclear weapons. And BTW, we have lots more of them to use if need be!"
Now that would be a message that radical Islamists would understand.
And you know if we don't nuke them they WILL nuke us. It's just a matter of time before some nit witted Jihadis get their mitts on a nuke, isn't it?
Please tell me this wasn't the sweet nothings you whispered into the ears of all your 10s.
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But doesn't someone try to blow him up, like every single day. That must weigh on you when you think about the people who did it.
I don't know...while Saudi Arabia isn't your bastion of Jew loving people, the last time I checked, Saudis haven't necessarily tried to blow BluLou up. But hey, one Muslim is same as another, right?
That's a good point.
Shut up, why don't you.
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But doesn't someone try to blow him up, like every single day. That must weigh on you when you think about the people who did it.
I don't know...while Saudi Arabia isn't your bastion of Jew loving people, the last time I checked, Saudis haven't necessarily tried to blow BluLou up. But hey, one Muslim is same as another, right?
Not that I support nuking Mecca, but SA has probably funded Hamas or some other group lobbing rockets at Israel at some point.
No one likes us, I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens
We give them money, but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them
Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot and Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one, they'll be no one left to blame us
We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All-American amusement park there
They got surfin' too
Boom goes London, boom Paris
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world around
Will just be another American town
Oh how peaceful it will be we'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono and there'll be Italian shoes for me
They all hate us anyhow, so let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now
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But doesn't someone try to blow him up, like every single day. That must weigh on you when you think about the people who did it.
I don't know...while Saudi Arabia isn't your bastion of Jew loving people, the last time I checked, Saudis haven't necessarily tried to blow BluLou up. But hey, one Muslim is same as another, right?
Not that I support nuking Mecca, but SA has probably funded Hamas or some other group lobbing rockets at Israel at some point.
Sure and Germany has had a history of atrocities against Jews. Point is that it's one thing to go after your current threat, it's a whole another thing to make leaps and bounds to lump everyone as your enemy based on a group of fanatics in SA or elsewhere.
Lou made a shitty point...no amount of trying to spin or justify his comment makes it right.
Don't mention it, man. I have your back!
Mosa also famously said, “Don’t be cowards and attack us with drones. Instead send your soldiers, the ones we humiliated in Iraq. We will humiliate them everywhere, God willing, and we will raise the flag of Allah in the White House.”
- See more at: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/isis-spokesperson-reportedly-killed-syrian-army#sthash.dViFdEhI.dpuf
bye bye fucko!
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Classic!
And Jewish.
Seconded.
Wait. Does that mean Brett is cloned in heaven?
Sounds more like hell.
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But doesn't someone try to blow him up, like every single day. That must weigh on you when you think about the people who did it.
I don't know...while Saudi Arabia isn't your bastion of Jew loving people, the last time I checked, Saudis haven't necessarily tried to blow BluLou up. But hey, one Muslim is same as another, right?
Doubtful. A large (dare I say the largest) driver of religious extremism and the harm it instills is sexual repression/confusion.
Men, esp young men, need to blow their loads. This is a scientific fact proven at length by Albert Einstein just prior to the Manhattan Project. And when they can't and/or are convinced by other crazy people that it's wrong to lust after other adult women (or men), they commit pernicious acts like flying planes into buildings and raping children.
Then you'll have Brett joining their cause.
Man...your act gets tiring. Seriously, please say something you really want to say so we can see you in banned land.
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Finally, at long last, he gets it. That's the whole point of the Caliphate. That's why they are financed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. what happend you finally, after a day of trolling decided to look up who was financing them? All muslims at least know they are all brothers, one big happy family. So glad the light bulb finally went on for you. Better late than never.
Man...your act gets tiring. Seriously, please say something you really want to say so we can see you in banned land.
Good grief, slinging nukes will definitely calm the Islamic extremists... just like kicking that hornet's nest solved my backyard pest problem.
Good grief, slinging nukes will definitely calm the Islamic extremists... just like kicking that hornet's nest solved my backyard pest problem.
Kicking the hornet's nest was a bitch move bra. Should have nuked it. Then other hornets would know what's up and stay away.
Gotta nuke something
Gotta nuke something
'Murica!
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Gotta nuke something
'Murica!
Errr... Israel too, apparently. Don't know how to shorten that into redneck dialect.
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that the 72 virgins are all dudes. That might get them to knock it off.
Then you'll have Brett joining their cause.
No, he'd only join if we were talking about virgin koalas.
I was quite contented to let this play out but for two points. One is kicker's assertion about "massing them all together". While the notion of nuking Mecca indeed suggests I might practice some sort of massing of Islamic folk, in fact in practice I do not. I'd easily take a bet that I've broken more bread, shared more cigarettes with, and shared the same water bottle with more Islamic Palestinians in the past few months than the vast majority of BBI have in their lives.
Secondly it's interesting that no one of you had the stones to even address the second part of my comment, because (I guess) you are all just too scared of it to even look it in the eye... Eventually Jihadists will get a nuke themselves. And they will have no qualms about detonating it in the heart of a major western city. Most likely an American one.
YOU can't even look that in the eye, but I do in fact live with the possibility of a bomb capping my ass every fucking day. Today two warnings. The 1st I was out in the field so I just layed face down in the dirt and prayed to Hashem. At least for the second one I was at home and could go into our shelter.
Each warning was followed by two rather noisy detonations, meaning close by explosions and then a few quieter ones from further away.
And no one is "scared" of addressing your second point, only that taking action against the greater than zero probability that a terrorist somewhere, someday will have a nuclear device didn't really warrant a response.
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Finally, at long last, he gets it. That's the whole point of the Caliphate. That's why they are financed by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. what happend you finally, after a day of trolling decided to look up who was financing them? All muslims at least know they are all brothers, one big happy family. So glad the light bulb finally went on for you. Better late than never.
Man...your act gets tiring. Seriously, please say something you really want to say so we can see you in banned land.
beg, bitch.
Very witty...You had me at hello.
It's not "an eye for an eye", Hammurabi. It's "millions of eyes that had nothing to do with the transgression, for an eye."
And if the indeed oftentimes parlous nature of the country where you call home truly does engender such irrationally excessive feelings of vengeance, maybe you'd well to consider moving to, I dunno, Spokane (solid grape-growing terrain I hear).
I was quite contented to let this play out but for two points. One is kicker's assertion about "massing them all together". While the notion of nuking Mecca indeed suggests I might practice some sort of massing of Islamic folk, in fact in practice I do not. I'd easily take a bet that I've broken more bread, shared more cigarettes with, and shared the same water bottle with more Islamic Palestinians in the past few months than the vast majority of BBI have in their lives.
Secondly it's interesting that no one of you had the stones to even address the second part of my comment, because (I guess) you are all just too scared of it to even look it in the eye... Eventually Jihadists will get a nuke themselves. And they will have no qualms about detonating it in the heart of a major western city. Most likely an American one.
YOU can't even look that in the eye, but I do in fact live with the possibility of a bomb capping my ass every fucking day. Today two warnings. The 1st I was out in the field so I just layed face down in the dirt and prayed to Hashem. At least for the second one I was at home and could go into our shelter.
Each warning was followed by two rather noisy detonations, meaning close by explosions and then a few quieter ones from further away.
And that is definitely unfortunate, most of us have shared our well wishes with you for your and your family's safety. That doesn't, however, mean that we aren't going to tell you that some of your comments are pretty stupid...or outright stupid as hell.
And spare me the "I've broken more bread" schtick. Some of us have just as much experience if not more living and working day to day with those of the Islamic faith than even you. That comment is similar to the lame assed cliche of someone saying "I have black friends, so I'm not a racist" when they clearly make racist comments.
And give me a damn break about nukes. Because you fear for something that may or may not happen one day doesn't mean you should then turn around and do the same act that you dread being done to you. That is one assbackwards rationalizing.
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I was quite contented to let this play out but for two points. One is kicker's assertion about "massing them all together". While the notion of nuking Mecca indeed suggests I might practice some sort of massing of Islamic folk, in fact in practice I do not. I'd easily take a bet that I've broken more bread, shared more cigarettes with, and shared the same water bottle with more Islamic Palestinians in the past few months than the vast majority of BBI have in their lives.
Secondly it's interesting that no one of you had the stones to even address the second part of my comment, because (I guess) you are all just too scared of it to even look it in the eye... Eventually Jihadists will get a nuke themselves. And they will have no qualms about detonating it in the heart of a major western city. Most likely an American one.
YOU can't even look that in the eye, but I do in fact live with the possibility of a bomb capping my ass every fucking day. Today two warnings. The 1st I was out in the field so I just layed face down in the dirt and prayed to Hashem. At least for the second one I was at home and could go into our shelter.
Each warning was followed by two rather noisy detonations, meaning close by explosions and then a few quieter ones from further away.
It was a dipshit comment, and continues to be so.
And yeah, punishing those who peacefully follow the religion is kinda grouping them all together...
And spare me the "I know someone" nonsense.
I'd say idiotic, but that was already used with your nuke idea.
YOU can't even look that in the eye, but I do in fact live with the possibility of a bomb capping my ass every fucking day. Today two warnings. The 1st I was out in the field so I just layed face down in the dirt and prayed to Hashem. At least for the second one I was at home and could go into our shelter.
While the situations are not identical by any means, I lived on Long Island during 9/11 and in NYC shortly thereafter. Those were scary times and a lot of people said all kinds of the same crazy shit about making the Middle East a parking lot, dropping nukes, etc. Everyone was scared, upset, shook up, angry, confused... all of that.
I will say now what I said then... it is absolutely possible that some terrorist could detonate a nuke, or disrupt the electrical grid, or destroy a dam, or release a biological agent. However, a natural virus could arise that kills millions of people, an asteroid could hit the planet, a hurricane could destroy any given coastal city.
Disaster, whether natural or man made, is always a possibility. Safety and security are by and large transitory. Anything could happen at any time. Taking reasonable and prudent caution is advisable and understandable. However, living life in the grip of irrational fear over what may come to pass, hating people who may or may not harm us, advocating to take affirmative steps to deal with a hypothetical threat... that is a sure fire way to live a miserable, angry life. I choose not to think that way, act that way or talk that way.
It could be I am afforded the luxury of this choice due to the privilege of being a citizen of a wealthy first world nation. It could be that this is all rendered moot tomorrow by some unknown calamity. All I know is my day to day life is a lot fucking easier when I acknowledge that disaster is possible but do not take it personally and do not contribute to the hate and the strife that sow the conditions for ongoing violence and depravity.
Yes, if you're going to be lazy about it and try to win a war (and in the end actually lose it), then brute force is definitely the way to go. However, if you are going to actually win a war, careful and calculated application of force is far more effective. It's one of those War101 thing...Attrition Warfare vs. Maneuver Warfare...brute force may have worked back in the 13th century, but I doubt that brute force works now.
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YOU can't even look that in the eye, but I do in fact live with the possibility of a bomb capping my ass every fucking day. Today two warnings. The 1st I was out in the field so I just layed face down in the dirt and prayed to Hashem. At least for the second one I was at home and could go into our shelter.
While the situations are not identical by any means, I lived on Long Island during 9/11 and in NYC shortly thereafter. Those were scary times and a lot of people said all kinds of the same crazy shit about making the Middle East a parking lot, dropping nukes, etc. Everyone was scared, upset, shook up, angry, confused... all of that.
I will say now what I said then... it is absolutely possible that some terrorist could detonate a nuke, or disrupt the electrical grid, or destroy a dam, or release a biological agent. However, a natural virus could arise that kills millions of people, an asteroid could hit the planet, a hurricane could destroy any given coastal city.
Disaster, whether natural or man made, is always a possibility. Safety and security are by and large transitory. Anything could happen at any time. Taking reasonable and prudent caution is advisable and understandable. However, living life in the grip of irrational fear over what may come to pass, hating people who may or may not harm us, advocating to take affirmative steps to deal with a hypothetical threat... that is a sure fire way to live a miserable, angry life. I choose not to think that way, act that way or talk that way.
It could be I am afforded the luxury of this choice due to the privilege of being a citizen of a wealthy first world nation. It could be that this is all rendered moot tomorrow by some unknown calamity. All I know is my day to day life is a lot fucking easier when I acknowledge that disaster is possible but do not take it personally and do not contribute to the hate and the strife that sow the conditions for ongoing violence and depravity.
Que sera sera....not exactly a cogent plan for a long life and not really the foreign policy I want (although admittedly the one we appear to be getting).
I'll also point out that we vaccinate against viruses and attempt antivirals when infected. We send Bruce Willis to blow up the asteroid. We do what we can, secure buildings , get early warning, do what we need to do to protect ourselves against hurricanes. In most cases we do a bit more than say that it's been a really good run and we're glad we got live in a really cool place.
Que sera sera....not exactly a cogent plan for a long life and not really the foreign policy I want (although admittedly the one we appear to be getting).
I'll also point out that we vaccinate against viruses and attempt antivirals when infected. We send Bruce Willis to blow up the asteroid. We do what we can, secure buildings , get early warning, do what we need to do to protect ourselves against hurricanes. In most cases we do a bit more than say that it's been a really good run and we're glad we got live in a really cool place.
True, but we don't advocate to go drop a nuke preemptively off a chance that someone else may explode one on our soil. If that's the sort of measure we'll take to ensure our safety, are we really ensuring our safety long term? Seems like going crazy yourself to counter someone else's craziness.
I get the dudes with the pitchforks and convenient myopia missing that little point, but would have bet you'd have caught it. 2nd round is on me I guess.
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Que sera sera....not exactly a cogent plan for a long life and not really the foreign policy I want (although admittedly the one we appear to be getting).
I'll also point out that we vaccinate against viruses and attempt antivirals when infected. We send Bruce Willis to blow up the asteroid. We do what we can, secure buildings , get early warning, do what we need to do to protect ourselves against hurricanes. In most cases we do a bit more than say that it's been a really good run and we're glad we got live in a really cool place.
True, but we don't advocate to go drop a nuke preemptively off a chance that someone else may explode one on our soil. If that's the sort of measure we'll take to ensure our safety, are we really ensuring our safety long term? Seems like going crazy yourself to counter someone else's craziness.
Oh I agree and I am not advocating that. But there has to be something in between that and the Jonestown philosophy articulated above.
I get the dudes with the pitchforks and convenient myopia missing that little point, but would have bet you'd have caught it. 2nd round is on me I guess.
The real jihadists don't give a shit about Mecca. ISIS wants to destroy it too. All you'd do is create the ultimate terror recruiting video.
Too bad you shared all those smokes with "them" for naught.
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Before leveling Mecca? Was it not OBVIOUS I was neither advocating nor suggesting killing millions of people? Hell I didn't suggest killing ONE. The idea was to retaliate against the Jihadis' success at destroying a powerful symbol of Western culture by taking down and even more powerful symbol of Islam.
I get the dudes with the pitchforks and convenient myopia missing that little point, but would have bet you'd have caught it. 2nd round is on me I guess.
The real jihadists don't give a shit about Mecca. ISIS wants to destroy it too. All you'd do is create the ultimate terror recruiting video.
Too bad you shared all those smokes with "them" for naught.
Even if it weren't insane on the face of it, the premise is based on a false equivalency. You say jihadist instead of Muslims, admitting that it's an extremist minority. They aren't targeting a minority, they target all westerners. That's why they go after the western symbols you mention. But it's not the same thing if we target Mecca because that's not going against a symbol of the jihadist minority but rather the entire culture. For your tit for tat to work we would need to nuke a symbol uniquely important to jihadists. Osama's house or something. And a nuke would just seem like overkill for a house.
I get the dudes with the pitchforks and convenient myopia missing that little point, but would have bet you'd have caught it. 2nd round is on me I guess.
Spoken like a person relying on his emotions to dictate his views rather than actual knowledge of how complex the world is, especially when it comes to Islamic extremism. But I'm sure he'll argue that he has a unique understanding of the situation since he lives in Israel and has dealt with Muslims more than most of us.
Even ignoring the fact that it would irreparably alienate US allies everywhere (I'm sure Pakistan would love it), why would you punish Indonesian Muslims, Turkish Muslims, American Muslims, etc. because of the psychotic actions of a small group of terrorists?
Finally, after your benevolent "warning" is disclosed, do you expect Riyadh to just sit idly by for their 3rd largest city to be leveled? "Hey if you could make sure the radiation doesn't waft toward Jeddah 50 miles to the west, that'd be great. And we'll make sure OPEC isn't interrupted at all for you. Thaaaaanks."
This isn't a Haaretz comment section, I don't know why the fuck you'd think anyone finds your words worth a listen. Maybe this sort of shit plays in the self-fellating circles you run in, but this and other examples of your verbal santorum has help drive far better posters than you away from the site.
So here's to nukes in shitty vineyards of midlife crisis losers.
Go fuck yourself.
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I'll also point out that we vaccinate against viruses and attempt antivirals when infected. We send Bruce Willis to blow up the asteroid. We do what we can, secure buildings , get early warning, do what we need to do to protect ourselves against hurricanes. In most cases we do a bit more than say that it's been a really good run and we're glad we got live in a really cool place.
Right, we send Bruce Willis, secure buildings, etc. We take prudent and cautious actions. What we don't do is lob nukes at a hypothetical threat.
I am not advocating against having reasonable protections or plans for disaster. I am advocating against letting the specter of danger transform our culture and our mental state.
No bomb detonated by a group like ISIS can possibly destroy America, or Western civilization, or democratic values, or any other institution or component of our culture. Our reaction to the act, or our fear of the hypothetical future possibility of that act can do a hell of a lot of damage, though. That is what terrorism is about.
*"Eradicate" does not not mean nuke Mecca or even ISIS itself.
Please video it and post to youtube.
Thanks!
And really, no one should be coming to the defense of BluLou's idiotic fear-mongering post, which totally lacks any kind of proportionality. Thank god other Israelis (at least the ones I know) don't prescribe to such aggressive stance.
That's got to count for something.
This isn't a Haaretz comment section, I don't know why the fuck you'd think anyone finds your words worth a listen. Maybe this sort of shit plays in the self-fellating circles you run in, but this and other examples of your verbal santorum has help drive far better posters than you away from the site.
So here's to nukes in shitty vineyards of midlife crisis losers.
Go fuck yourself.
This is a fantastic post. Nitro's the best.
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maybe the secret ingredient is 3 percent dead Palestinian blood? It gives it the kick
Either way it was one of those people so close enough.
I specifically said that it wasn't an option.
The view I was responding to was bad shit happens but it won't change who we are and we're in a good place so lets have lunch.
I think he needs to take a little break and stop digging in on his dumb posts, as he's not doing himself any favor.
I think he needs to take a little break and stop digging in on his dumb posts, as he's not doing himself any favor.
BlueLou's in Israel? Is he Jewish?
Gotcha...when I think of brute force, I think of throwing everything you have at an objective. Just a difference in how we define brute force.
Haha...reformed hut burner.
She was actually sort of a terrible person who did a lot of harm.
So perfect analogy, really.
I almost spit out my coffee reading this (tips cap).
I get the dudes with the pitchforks and convenient myopia missing that little point, but would have bet you'd have caught it. 2nd round is on me I guess.
Did it ever occur to you that that symbol of Islam might be pretty important to millions of American citizens who practice Islam? Maybe your country doesn't give a shit its Muslim population but ours does.
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Much of what he's posted relating to Israel and the Middle East have been influenced by his emotional reaction to his daily life in Israel. Yes, he's continued to play the persecution card along with "we're alone in our righteous struggle" schtick in almost all threads dealing with the Middle East. However, in my opinion, he's proven to be pretty harmless in his posts and shouldn't be mistaken with posters like GWG or others.
I think he needs to take a little break and stop digging in on his dumb posts, as he's not doing himself any favor.
BlueLou's in Israel? Is he Jewish?
He apparently also has a hot niece or something. Not that this would be particularly relevant to you.
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Fucking cowards
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and even if one assumes it's logistically possible to evacuate a city of 2M people in 4 weeks (it's not), you understand, right, that you would be destroying what is a cherished site to Muslims everywhere? Not merely to the wicked elements.
Even ignoring the fact that it would irreparably alienate US allies everywhere (I'm sure Pakistan would love it), why would you punish Indonesian Muslims, Turkish Muslims, American Muslims, etc. because of the psychotic actions of a small group of terrorists?
Finally, after your benevolent "warning" is disclosed, do you expect Riyadh to just sit idly by for their 3rd largest city to be leveled? "Hey if you could make sure the radiation doesn't waft toward Jeddah 50 miles to the west, that'd be great. And we'll make sure OPEC isn't interrupted at all for you. Thaaaaanks."
The one question I have with that reasoning is that I don't think this view exists in a large part of Palestinian Muslims - "...because of the psychotic actions of a small group of terrorists?" IE I think a lot Palestinians, Jihadis or not, have strong sympathy with the Gazan Jihadis and don't view them or their actions as "psychotic" at all. That's your Western take on what/who the Jihadis are; I have no idea what the Islamic world at large thinks of them.
I have known American Muslims who feel strongly that the Jihadis have very good reasons to be fighting Israel, and think of them as "freedom fighters" rather than "psychotics." Keep in mind that small crowds of Palestinian cheering the WTC coming down was real, and not necessarily some small group of "psychotics."
Someone above linked the NYTimes article about the extrajudicial assassinations of a group of (was it 7 or 9 or 11) Gazans accused of being "collaborators" with Israel in the wake of two Israeli targeted assassinations of Hamas' military leaders on Thursday. Reading the article is one not struck by the "boisterous crowd" witnessing the assassinations? Or the number of young and very young children among those inspecting the blood stains immediately following the assassinations?
Ronnie, hey man thanks for that!
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Much of what he's posted relating to Israel and the Middle East have been influenced by his emotional reaction to his daily life in Israel.
Nitro, I got three things to say about your diatribe, or rather three things to say that I will post...
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Point blank, you are a fucking retard. Your overt, obsequious religiosity combined with your bigoted bullshit deserve no quarter here. It's masqueraded racism under the guise of something devout. Pa-fucking-thetic. I'll do something your unable to, and not lump the rest of Israelis and associated wannabes with your written diarrhea, if I did I'd be liable to come out pro-Hamas.
This isn't a Haaretz comment section, I don't know why the fuck you'd think anyone finds your words worth a listen. Maybe this sort of shit plays in the self-fellating circles you run in, but this and other examples of your verbal santorum has help drive far better posters than you away from the site.
So here's to nukes in shitty vineyards of midlife crisis losers.
Go fuck yourself.
The first is clearly you know absolutely nothing about what the Ha'aretz posts in their comments section.
The second is that I am impressed by your diction re the use of santorum, I had to look that up in Urban dictionary. Not really surprised you are familiar with the term though.
The third is that you have anger management issues that you should seek counseling for. If my posts, on a website forum, incite you to such hateful diatribe, how would you handle having missiles lobbed at you daily, I wonder?
And go fuck yourself, if you haven't already in one way or another...
I mean, now you know what it means, too. Can the same assumptions you've made about Nitro's awareness of it be applied to you in the future?
The word, I mean.
What makes you so un-surprised that he'd know the term?
What inferences about a person can me made for knowing that term that you don't find surprising?
How, now that you know the meaning of the term, do those same inferences now not apply to you?
duck and cover fucko.
From my experience dealing with more than a few Muslims, I can tell you that the majority of the Islamic world most likely do not identify with Jihadists. That doesn't mean that many don't empathize with the Palestinians and see Israel as heavyhanded oppressors of sort. However, to somehow prescribe to more than a billion people such ridiculous views because you know a specific group of people seem pretty arrogant on your part.
"From my experience dealing with more than a few Muslims, I can tell you that the majority of the Islamic world most likely do not identify with Jihadists. That doesn't mean that many don't empathize with the Palestinians and see Israel as heavyhanded oppressors of sort. However, to somehow prescribe to more than a billion people such ridiculous views because you know a specific group of people seem pretty arrogant on your part."
What makes you think the Muslims you have dealt with make you more prepared to assess what the billion + Muslims on the planet think about Jihadists? I highly doubt anyone (even a Muslim individual) can easily know that answer
"From my experience dealing with more than a few Muslims, I can tell you that the majority of the Islamic world most likely do not identify with Jihadists. That doesn't mean that many don't empathize with the Palestinians and see Israel as heavyhanded oppressors of sort. However, to somehow prescribe to more than a billion people such ridiculous views because you know a specific group of people seem pretty arrogant on your part."
What makes you think the Muslims you have dealt with make you more prepared to assess what the billion + Muslims on the planet think about Jihadists? I highly doubt anyone (even a Muslim individual) can easily know that answer
I see what you did there. I guess it comes down to which side of humanity you want to believe in. Do you choose to believe that the overwhelming view is that of supporting extreme views? Or that of people just wanting to live their lives?
I've dealt with Muslims from almost all nations in the Middle East and Southwest/east Asia, and almost all of them were no different than Americans in their desire to live a peaceful life without bothering anyone else. So I choose to believe that extremism and the support of it is the exception and not the norm. But hey, if you want to view them all as threats, that's your prerogative.
The primary source of funding for the Salafists for the past 5 decades has been Saudi Arabia. Even though the ruling monarchy opposes the Salafists, they are basically too cowardly to take on the powerful clerics in their country who support them. So, the rest of the world suffers the consequences.
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A security source revealed last night that £24 million was paid by at least four European countries for the release of 11 hostages last year.
British and US hostages were seen as being in a ‘different category,’ he said – so demands for an £80 million ransom on Foley were set deliberately high as a provocation.
It has also emerged that:
• Security services believe they are close to identifying the British militants who executed Foley.
• The East Londoners formed a specialist kidnap gang, operating in Syria for up to two years.
• They are thought to have possibly been involved in the seizure of several Westerners, including Foley.
• Their leader was not ‘John’, the left-handed man wielding the knife in the horrific video of Foley’s death, but ‘George’, who goes under the nom-de-guerre of Abu Muhareb (‘Fighter’).
• One former hostage described them as ‘sadistic psychopaths’, regularly handing out brutal ‘punishments’ that included the use of Tasers on hands and bodies.
• They were so vicious that at one stage they were stopped from guarding hostages by IS.
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I equate hamas with Isis (i am sure others dont). Seeing the protests around the world supporting Hamas does make me question whether Muslims in the world want peace with Americans/Jews. And I assume that these protesters for Hamas are fans of Isis to a degree to. That could be my mistake
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