BREAKING: Islamic State, in video titled "A Message to America," beheads American journalist James Wright Foley.
I believe he was captured 3 years ago or so.
I accidentally came across the graphic pics.....you don't want to go there.
Also they are threatening to behead another journalist. Sick, sick bastards.
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yep
it's an ideology common to many - they are just taking it to the next 'logical' place of that ideology because they have the power to do so over these people.
They picked up a few hundred million when they took Mosul, unfortunately right now they have deep pockets of their own making.
The average man on the street has to have something worth living for that is more valuable than a fairy tale worth dying for.
Scary stuff and I know I don't have the answers...
What I got from the Vice Doc (I've watched the whole thing) these are a bunch of chodes with a loose understanding of everything (people, government, the Koran, etc) who've used civil war and whatever the f we did to Iraq to score some easy wins. They're amateur hour and need to be put down asap.
At least it's not Ferguson. Jints had grown tired of that as a flashpoint topic.
Sad state of affairs.
We have oil....foothold in mideast...kill all
terrorists...save a lot of money....
otherwise. Get the hell out...we have enough problems
here
It's not to excuse the horrors of more traditional warfare, but this is that next level of willful brutality that decidedly renders these actors truly sickening. Enormously war-weary (understandably), still Americans are behind snuffing them out.
I'm all for that. Just figured it was noting that a fiscal strike isn't going to be the most effective tactic in this case, they do need to be physical eviscerated and a stepped up bombing campaign is likely to be needed to do so.
It's not to excuse the horrors of more traditional warfare, but this is that next level of willful brutality that decidedly renders these actors truly sickening. Enormously war-weary (understandably), still Americans are behind snuffing them out.
uhhhh ok dude whatever. You can assign whatever breaking point you have and I will assign mine. I don't think the differences are very great. I think they are thiiiiiiiiis close to one another. Just because you are accepting of one kind of brutality and not of another doesn;t mean I have to be. One guy chops off someones head and the other one starves and tortures and shoots in the head, and drops in a hole in the ground. Both atrocities and shameful human behavior. This may be "worse" but its not in a different ballpark.
But ok "one notism"
Yet apparently missed:
Reading comprehension. There are indeed degrees, however. Rape is reprehensible. Raping a child is moreso.
Those were separate points, by the way (hence the two paragraphs. One on your paranoia about a perceived universal reprobation of the Jews. The other my view of ISIS's brutality.
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Just because you are accepting of one kind of brutality and not of another
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not to excuse the horrors of more traditional warfare
Reading comprehension. There are indeed degrees, however. Rape is reprehensible. Raping a child is moreso.
Those were separate points, by the way (hence the two paragraphs. One on your paranoia about a perceived universal reprobation of the Jews. The other my view of ISIS's brutality.
yes the "paranoia" routine. The extremely typical response to any Jewish defense. The "complex". The "paranoia". The "perception". It's old news and an old routine. The point is to continue to make it clear whenever possible and then point out those who complain about the "paranoia".
But anyway...point is these people are not people. And a bigger problem may just be how many of these people are not people.
Really dude?
JAMES FOLEY I call on my friends, family, and loved ones to rise up against my real killers, the US government. For what will happen to me is only a result of their complacency and criminality.
My message to my beloved parents, save me some dignity, and don't accept some meagre compensation, for my death, from the same people who effectively hit the last nail in my coffin with their recent aerial campaign in Iraq.
I call on my brother John, who is a member of the US air force. Think about what you are doing, think about the lives you destroy, including those of your own family. I call on you John, think about who made the decision to bomb Iraq recently and kill those people, whoever they may have been. Think John, who did they really kill? And did they think about me, you, our family when they made that decision?
I died that day John, when your colleagues dropped that bomb on those people they signed my death certificate. I wish I had more time. I wish I could have the hope of freedom and seeing my family once again. But that ship has sailed. I guess all in all I wish I wasn't American.
EXECUTIONER This is James Wright Foley, an American citizen of your country. As a government, you have been at the forefront of the aggression towards the Islamic State. You have plotted against us and have gone far out of your way to find reasons to interfere in our affairs. Today, your military air force is attacking us daily in Iraq, your strikes have caused casualties among Muslims. You're no longer fighting an insurgency, we are an Islamic army, and a state that has been accepted by large number of Muslims world wide, so effectively, any aggression towards the Islamic State, is aggression towards Muslims from all walks of life who has accepted the Islamic caliphate as their leadership, so any attempt by you Obama to deny the Muslims their rights of living in safety under the Islamic caliphate will result in the bloodshed of your people.
NEW PRISONER SHOWN - CAPTION - Steven Joel Sotloff
The life of this American Citizen Obama, depends on your next decision.
The world is denouncing ISIS and the the US (and Peshmerga) is not twiddling their thumbs.
So, yes, when you bring up "Zionists" in a thread that really has nothing to do with them, and then you make stuff up on top of it...you indeed come off paranoid.
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I think the Zionists know what they are dealing with while the rest of the world twiddles their thumbs and tries to avoid offending anyone but the Jews.
The world is denouncing ISIS and the the US (and Peshmerga) is not twiddling their thumbs.
So, yes, when you bring up "Zionists" in a thread that really has nothing to do with them, and then you make stuff up on top of it...you indeed come off paranoid.
My mention of the "Zionists" was meant to describe the way they have experienced these types of groups and to show that the way to deal with these people is not through kind words and diplomacy or politics. They aren't interested in it. My point was that they have experience with groups like this and should be an example instead of thought of as over-reactionary.
Saudia Arabia and Egypt have already come out and said as much.
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Thanks for this buford.
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that the Islamic world needs to stand up and fight along side the "West" against these people who claim to represent their entire nation of people? Muslims around the world can't possibly accept these people as their representatives as the "Islamic Nation". Can they?
Saudia Arabia and Egypt have already come out and said as much. Link - ( New Window )
Good news and a good start. Hopefully not just for their own personal gain but we shall see.
Yeah I'm comfortable relying on the US military for how to proceed. Don't need Israel to "show us what we're dealing with".
"Why aren't we doing something?"
Yes, they need to stand up but they haven't and I don't think they will. They let the tail wag the dog if that's even a good analogy. No one on the Islamic side speaks up against virtually anything that the most evil and extreme Islamists do. At some point you have to ask why, don't you?
You'd have to ask those in a position to do so. Is that even worth the time.
Now, says Jeffrey, the U.S. has to work both to counter ISIL and to support a new government in Iraq.
“It wouldn’t hurt for him to be more aggressive in use of force where the ISIS guys are moving forward,” Jeffrey says of President Barack Obama, whom he largely praises for recent moves to counter ISIL. “That threatens us, it threatens the Shia, it is a humanitarian issue and potentially it threatens the embassy.”
As for ISIL he believes there is “no limit to their ambitions.”
“You have to kill them,” Jeffrey says. “They never stopped in Iraq even when I was there in 2010 and 2011, they had been totally defeated and they had lost their population, we were on their trails and they still didn’t give up. There is no reasoning with them, there is no containing them, you have to kill them.”
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Because Ferguson doesn't deserve attention or outrage? That seems to be what you're insinuating here... believe it or not it's possible to multi-task with attention and outrage.