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GiantNatty : 8/19/2014 5:16 pm
Last year, coming out of the preseason, I was critical of the roster. I thought the roster screamed of indulgence: three QBs and four TEs and keeping a number of old players who were clearly past their primes (Diehl, Snee, Thomas).

I hope this year the Giants take a different approach. It's time to start making room for some younger, hungrier players. I fully realize that I'm dealing with less knowledge than the coaching staff, but we gave them the benefit of the doubt last year and look what happened.

For instance, this year, with my untrained eye, I would make the following decisions at this point:

Harris/Washington over Jernigan. In three years, Jernigan has done nothing. In three games, Washington has three game winning catches. Harris has been making plays all summer as well. Jernigan has had ample opportunities but still can't put it all together.

McBride over Hosley. Hosley is another player that hasn't put it all together and now faces a suspension. Time to cut ties.

McManus over Brown. They've been toe-to-toe all summer, yet McManus has a stronger leg, more upside, and is less expensive. Time to give the job to a guy who can be our kicker for the forseeable future.

Nassib over Painter. It doesn't make much sense to carry three QBs when you have one of the more durable QBs in the league as your starter. Given that if Eli gets injured, it doesn't really matter who replaces him, it makes more sense to give the roster spot to someone else who plays in a rotational position (like Kuhn). Nassib is again younger and likely has more upside.

Same for TEs. Keep only three. I suspect that's the way the team is headed in any event, but if they carry four again, I think it would be a mistake.

Just my two cents...
I think people complain about our depth  
robbieballs2003 : 8/19/2014 5:24 pm : link
But our depth has produced three wins in three games. For years not one backup QB could lead our offense to a TD in the preseason. Now if we can just upgrade the talent of our starters.
i like most of what you said  
odunde : 8/19/2014 5:26 pm : link
BUT:

1) i don't think its a fight between mcbride and hosely. I think McBride is likely on the team. I would think it is more likely between Hosely, Jackson and James for the last spot. I'm kind of hoping we cut ties with Hosely, find a way to IR Jackson and keep James.

2) TC might agree with you, but I'd like to keep Jernigan along with Harris and Williams. Trindon Holliday has been banged up and failed to followup on his early minicamp success and Manningham is still struggling. Jernigan still seems like a good potential fit for the system, and it would be nice to have the backup slot receiver. I'd like to see us enter the season with Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Jernigan, Harris and Williams.
I  
AcidTest : 8/19/2014 5:41 pm : link
think Harris and Washington are on the team. Along with Cruz, Randle, and the yet to play OBJ, that makes five WRs. I think we only keep six, so the last spot is between JJ and Parker. I'd give it to Parker, but we've got two more preseason games, and this decision certainly won't be made until the final cut down.
I agree wit everything but..  
Matt Dodge : 8/19/2014 5:43 pm : link
As the poster above stated, I would keep all 3 (Jernigan/Harris/Washington) I think Harris is the best of the bunch..
Jernigan  
djhagone : 8/19/2014 5:50 pm : link
He has been productive when given the opportunity. Washington has been playing garbage time against corners who won't even be in the league next week.
My roster thoughts...  
Jerry K : 8/19/2014 5:57 pm : link
I'm leaning towards a wr corps of Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Parker, Harris, and Washington. Never been impressed by Jernigan. Parker (and/or Demps) can handle his return duties.

No way I want four tight ends. It would keep better players at other positions off the roster.

Don't care for Holsey. I'd keep McBride. Not sure about James.


I think  
RetroJint : 8/19/2014 6:24 pm : link
Parker has beat out Jernigan. Harris & Washington for a spot: I've got Harris. McBride , Bowman & James are too close to call. Davis should be one of the TEs. Cox over Gaskins. Both FBs. Nassib over Painter. I have a feeling Mike Patterson is going to get cut. New K. Demos: Si Holiday No Anderson or Atkins over Herzlich.
I d keep 7 wr's  
SBlue46 : 8/19/2014 6:38 pm : link
3 TE's.....one can be Washington
RE: My roster thoughts...  
kepler20 : 8/19/2014 6:42 pm : link
In comment 11815162 Jerry K said:
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I'm leaning towards a wr corps of Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Parker, Harris, and Washington. Never been impressed by Jernigan. Parker (and/or Demps) can handle his return duties.

No way I want four tight ends. It would keep better players at other positions off the roster.

Don't care for Holsey. I'd keep McBride. Not sure about James.



mcbride's play at the end of last season easily lets him make the team this year. Hosley has a tragic history of failure at every turn.
I would keep Z.Bowman & James ahead of mcbride & Hosley..  
prdave73 : 8/19/2014 6:48 pm : link
IMO Hosley and Mcbride have looked horrible. They need to give these others guys a good look. I agree with giving Washingon/Harris a chance to make the roster, they definitely deserve it..
Disagree About Jernigan Making Plays:  
clatterbuck : 8/19/2014 7:04 pm : link
I haven't seen much of that, including last game when he could have made a big play and let the ball go through his hands. The only reason to keep him is to have a backup slot receiver with a little experience. I hope Giants cut their losses with him. I'd keep Cruz, Randle, Beckham, Harris, Parker, and Washington. Scary lack of experience but I don't think Jernigan is a difference maker. The youngsters could be.
RE: I would keep Z.Bowman & James ahead of mcbride & Hosley..  
Optimus-NY : 8/19/2014 7:06 pm : link
In comment 11815215 prdave73 said:
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IMO Hosley and Mcbride have looked horrible. They need to give these others guys a good look. I agree with giving Washingon/Harris a chance to make the roster, they definitely deserve it..



I agree.
SBlue46  
geelabee : 8/19/2014 7:11 pm : link
Agree on the 7 WR...but the Giants have garbage at TE...no sense in giving a roster spot to marginal players...the should keep 2 TEs...I would even think about keeping the 2FBs on the roster who I think could provide blocking and serve the same purpose as some of the TEs
RE: I think  
Del Shofner : 8/19/2014 7:21 pm : link
In comment 11815178 RetroJint said:
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Parker has beat out Jernigan. Harris & Washington for a spot


Parker has looked that good? Haven't been hearing that much about him.
I agree with clatterbuck.  
Red Dog : 8/19/2014 7:23 pm : link
I hated the Jernigan pick when they made it because I don't think an undersized WR is ever worth a 3rd round pick, and don't think he's really shown enough this summer to keep around despite his three good games at the end of last season.

I note with interest that those were the only decent games he's had as a GIANT since he was drafted in 2011.

JJ has only one position, backing up Cruz in the slot. He could be used as a Wildcat guy, but the GIANTS don't run that. He does have some value running an end around, but again, how often to the GIANTS use a WR to rush the ball?

There is an argument to be made that once again they drafted a guy who doesn't really fit the team and what they run, like Sinorice Moss, Sintim, and Beckum among others before him.

Jernigan really hasn't done squat this summer when given a chance to play as an outside WR. He has repeatedly failed to win the punt return job, He was a mediocre kick off returner at best. And he is worthless otherwise as a special teamer, particularly worthless as a gunner.

Harris seems to be able to do anything JJ can do that the GIANTS are interested in and a lot more, including being a decent gunner, something that this team sorely needs. And he can't be any worse as a WR because except for those three games, JJ was a total waste as a WR.

Parker is a proven NFL receiver, albeit with some fumbling history, who seems to be at least as good as JJ if not better as a return man.

Washington has the God-given talent that JJ will never have - serious height.
at corner it is likely between mcbride and james for the last slot  
CGiants07 : 8/19/2014 7:30 pm : link
since drc, prince,thurmond,bowman and Jackson are making the team
zero chance  
kepler20 : 8/19/2014 8:30 pm : link
mcbride doesnt make the team. they gave him a FA contract, and you want to cut him before he plays 1 down??
I'd keep Jernigan over Parker  
djm : 8/19/2014 8:32 pm : link
But good points all around.

I'd think Washington and even Harris are locks. Washington looks too good to cut and when you factor in the need for a bigger WR.... No brainer.
RE: I'd keep Jernigan over Parker  
kepler20 : 8/19/2014 8:35 pm : link
In comment 11815349 djm said:
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But good points all around.

I'd think Washington and even Harris are locks. Washington looks too good to cut and when you factor in the need for a bigger WR.... No brainer.


impossible to cut washington!!!!! he's killed it in both practice and game situations. Half the time it's hard enough to get players to show something in either arena. To find one that consistently done both???


un-cut-able.

he's making the team. At this point he's more of a lock to making the final 53 than Eli is.
RE: at corner it is likely between mcbride and james for the last slot  
SGMen : 8/19/2014 8:36 pm : link
In comment 11815268 CGiants07 said:
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since drc, prince,thurmond,bowman and Jackson are making the team
McBride is a lock to make this team. He is solid and if Prince is out he'll be playing an awful lot week 1.
i have zero complaints about the roster build this year  
GiantsFan84 : 8/19/2014 9:40 pm : link
Reese did everything anyone could expect and then some. I liked the draft and all the free agent moves. If the team fails this year it will not be due to a bad offseason, simply that this team may take more than 1 year to finish the rebuild process.

Of courses, if Reese, Ross & Company hadn't screwed over  
Red Dog : 8/19/2014 10:06 pm : link
the roster so badly during the five year stretch starting in spring 2008, they would not be in the rebuilding from near zero mode that they are in now.
Well said Giant Natty  
Spock : 8/19/2014 10:10 pm : link
I agree with every point you made. I wish you would have gone deeper.
RE: i have zero complaints about the roster build this year  
SGMen : 8/19/2014 10:32 pm : link
In comment 11815452 GiantsFan84 said:
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Reese did everything anyone could expect and then some. I liked the draft and all the free agent moves. If the team fails this year it will not be due to a bad offseason, simply that this team may take more than 1 year to finish the rebuild process.
Very well said. My only off-season beef is that if the Giants knew Odell's hamstring was an issue and needed healing then why take him in round one when we needed OL help? Imagine Z. Martin and Richburg developing together? We also picked up the UFA's as best as we could. TE is an issue but there wasn't much out there.
...  
Toth029 : 8/20/2014 1:08 am : link
Cruz
Randle
Beckham
Washington
Harris
Jernigan

That's fine, especially since guys like Harris being able to plat ST's and JJ can do returns. Also keep an eye on Preston Parker.

I don't think they want to stash away either Harris or Washington, since they will be scooped up. Parker cannot be used for PS, unfortunately. They will probably throw Talley there again.
RE: RE: i have zero complaints about the roster build this year  
BMac : 8/20/2014 6:10 am : link
In comment 11815488 SGMen said:
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In comment 11815452 GiantsFan84 said:

My only off-season beef is that if the Giants knew Odell's hamstring was an issue and needed healing then why take him in round one when we needed OL help? Imagine Z. Martin and Richburg developing together? We also picked up the UFA's as best as we could. TE is an issue but there wasn't much out there.


Where is this coming from? What hamstring issue before camp? This is just another disgruntled fan who wanted to take a Guard with the 12th pick when the need for a top WR was obviously much greater.
McBride and james  
Fish : 8/20/2014 9:34 am : link
Are making this team. They are proven.

That's all I got to offer.
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