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Mike Carey refused to ref Redskins games

TICSUAP : 8/20/2014 11:47 am
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The league respectfully honored my request not to officiate Washington,” Carey told the Washington Post. “It happened sometime after I refereed their playoff game in 2006, I think.

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RE: Historical fact:  
Dunedin81 : 8/20/2014 12:35 pm : link
In comment 11816156 PeterS said:
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European and later American explorers, settlers and armies wiped out over 90% of the Native American race. It was genocide.

You don't like PC, liberal or weak thinking than would anyone have a problem if a sports team called themselves the SS?


Well let's be a little more nuanced. The primary killer was disease, and war went both ways (google King Philip's War for illustration). But suffice it to say the government has not always dealt honestly with the Native Americans, and that is being charitable.
RE: So I guess its OK  
vibe4giants : 8/20/2014 12:36 pm : link
In comment 11816194 Ron from Ninerland said:
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If an MLB ump from Alabama, lets say refuses to work Yankee games ?


Flawless analogy. Lock this thread now! It belongs to the ages!!
Well..  
kickerpa16 : 8/20/2014 12:39 pm : link
We didn't treat them like the Belgians treated the Congolese.
Win?
Last I heard  
Big Al : 8/20/2014 12:45 pm : link
Walt Coleman has not worked a Raiders game since 2002. Maybe he does not like insults of pirates and such types but maybe he just does not want to get murdered (tuck rule).
It seems to me that most people  
Curtis in VA : 8/20/2014 12:47 pm : link
who think the name should not be changed are just so wired to be anti-PC about everything that they can't separate the two issues. At least thats my perception living here in the Washington area.

I'm very much anti-PC myself. And there's a part of me that doesn't want to admit that crowd is ever right about anything but man, whats true is true no matter which side it comes from. Its a slur and its wrong. I'm all for Snyder hopefully deciding to change it, and good on Carey for doing what he did.
Curtis  
Big Al : 8/20/2014 12:52 pm : link
From one right wing nut to another, agreed.
I agree with Curtis  
Bill L : 8/20/2014 12:56 pm : link
as a sop to those who hang on, I keep wondering if you could make the argument that the word has transitioned to really only mean the football team and nothing else. Sort of trying to use the argument (I forget what it's called but they used it for In God We Trust on money and A.D. on college diplomas) that something has been around so long that it's lost any other connotation. But I really can't.
If this is true  
The 12th Man : 8/20/2014 12:56 pm : link
then screw the NFL. The fact they let him get away this is appalling. So now we have referees telling the league what games they will officiate. Totally wrong in my opinion.
I wonder when....  
Wonderphil11 : 8/20/2014 12:57 pm : link
the NFL will change it's stance on this as they're really not doing the brand any favors the longer this lingers...one of their teams has an obvious racial slur as it's name, c'mon...it may have taken a long time for people to "realize" this but the voices will only grow louder.
RE: I think the name's insulting and should be changed,  
Randy in CT : 8/20/2014 12:59 pm : link
In comment 11816182 Mad Mike said:
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but this seems a little not quite right to me. I completely respect Carey's opinion, but he works for the NFL, and the NFL has made the decision, thus far, that the name is acceptable. As a one-off decision, showing sensitivity to a guy who feels uncomfortable by the name, I guess it's fine. But what if 5 refs, or 10, or however many, decide they don't want to do their games anymore either. Obviously the league can't start limiting Washington games to a small circle of refs who don't object to the name. So then a handful of refs who object now don't get the same consideration Carey got, because it's simply not feasible.

Showing consideration to an individual ref who prefers not to have any association with the name seems more or less fine, but more generally allowing people to work for the league, except for the one team in the league whose name they find insulting, doesn't really seem fine to me. If the league accepts the name, they accept the name, and I don't think they should excuse people from responsibilities related to that one team.
I sort of agree with this. However, Carey is saying that something within his place of employment is insulting/racist and he wants no part of it and with this action he's hoping for change. That part I certainly respect.
maybe as a rookie ref  
Les in TO : 8/20/2014 1:00 pm : link
he didn't have the tenure or cred to decline reffing for certain teams, but as one of the best refs in the game, he earned the right to make that call and it sounds like there was nothing in his deal with the nfl that prevented him from choosing games with his conscience (or the nfl was willing to accomodate him because he's a darn good ref). sounds like the free market at work to me, so both libs and conservatives can be happy!
RE: RE: RE: What a loser.  
Randy in CT : 8/20/2014 1:01 pm : link
In comment 11816127 Bill L said:
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He had no problem officiating Redskins' games in previous years and collecting a paycheck in doing so.

Now all of a sudden he's "offended"?

It's amazing and sad how the Liberal Media has a stranglehold on the weak-minded people of this country.

It is a shame that not only will Eric not have a problem with this post, he will condone and agree with it.



I don't agree with his view and there are logical errors, as Vibe and others have pointed out. However, it's no less legit than anything else posted here, so I don't know why Eric would or should get involved for this specific post.
"Liberal Media". Do we have to go over the political posts angle again? We tend to stay away from party lines/cliched points which insult one or the other parties.
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GiantFilthy : 8/20/2014 1:01 pm : link
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The league respectfully honored my request not to officiate Washington,” Carey told the Washington Post. “It happened sometime after I refereed their playoff game in 2006, I think.


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If this is true
The 12th Man : 12:56 pm : link : reply
then screw the NFL. The fact they let him get away this is appalling. So now we have referees telling the league what games they will officiate. Totally wrong in my opinion.
RE: ===  
T-Bone : 8/20/2014 1:08 pm : link
In comment 11816259 GiantFilthy said:
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The league respectfully honored my request not to officiate Washington,” Carey told the Washington Post. “It happened sometime after I refereed their playoff game in 2006, I think.





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If this is true
The 12th Man : 12:56 pm : link : reply
then screw the NFL. The fact they let him get away this is appalling. So now we have referees telling the league what games they will officiate. Totally wrong in my opinion.



Thank you Filthy.
I am SO ANGRY that a guy asked his boss for something  
BeerFridge : 8/20/2014 1:16 pm : link
and the boss agreed!
Ditka  
Simms : 8/20/2014 1:19 pm : link
Painfully have to agree with him one this one to some degree.

Are the browns going to be next ? Others posts on this topic.

The NFL juggles crews for a reason, too (avoiding the fix etc.) and yet I respect Carey's stance as its his right too.
But in the real world if I refuse a project I am out of a job.

Its all well and good to share tongue and cheek comments, but at the end of the day when does it end? Where is the line drawn?


I'm For Anything  
Trainmaster : 8/20/2014 1:21 pm : link
that causes the NFL team in Washington and their owner embarrassment, court costs, distractions, fewer quality free agents etc. that keep them from winning football games.
Come on...  
Dunedin81 : 8/20/2014 1:24 pm : link
the rub of it is that this name has been an embarrassment and the scope and scale of that embarrassment is increasing with every passing day. It's not "PC" to point out that a slur is a slur is a slur.
RE: Ditka  
BeerFridge : 8/20/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 11816303 Simms said:
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Painfully have to agree with him one this one to some degree.

Are the browns going to be next ? Others posts on this topic.

The NFL juggles crews for a reason, too (avoiding the fix etc.) and yet I respect Carey's stance as its his right too.
But in the real world if I refuse a project I am out of a job.

Its all well and good to share tongue and cheek comments, but at the end of the day when does it end? Where is the line drawn?



Well, the line is first drawn where the employer draws it. This is what happened here.
'We didn't treat them like the Belgians treated the Congolese.'  
schabadoo : 8/20/2014 1:32 pm : link
I blame that son of a bitch Van Owen...

RE: RE: What a loser.  
NYGmen58 : 8/20/2014 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11816095 Randy in CT said:
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He had no problem officiating Redskins' games in previous years and collecting a paycheck in doing so.

Now all of a sudden he's "offended"?

It's amazing and sad how the Liberal Media has a stranglehold on the weak-minded people of this country.

It is a shame that not only will Eric not have a problem with this post, he will condone and agree with it.


Huh?
RE: So I guess its OK  
montanagiant : 8/20/2014 2:59 pm : link
In comment 11816194 Ron from Ninerland said:
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If an MLB ump from Alabama, lets say refuses to work Yankee games ?


Why would a name that celebrates our armies during a few world wars cause an umpire to not ump it? Help me out here, not seeing the correlation
RE: 'We didn't treat them like the Belgians treated the Congolese.'  
Mad Mike : 8/20/2014 3:07 pm : link
In comment 11816328 schabadoo said:
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I blame that son of a bitch Van Owen...

Nice
From reading just that excerpt  
bradshaw44 : 8/20/2014 3:14 pm : link
I figured he just hated the stadium and fans as much as the rest of the NFL does.
RE: From reading just that excerpt  
Mad Mike : 8/20/2014 3:23 pm : link
In comment 11816609 bradshaw44 said:
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I figured he just hated the stadium and fans as much as the rest of the NFL does.

Well, he hasn't asked off Eagles games...
RE: RE: From reading just that excerpt  
bradshaw44 : 8/20/2014 3:26 pm : link
In comment 11816627 Mad Mike said:
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Well, he hasn't asked off Eagles games...


Very True
Filthy  
Modus Operandi : 8/20/2014 3:40 pm : link
Yawn. That isn't even the dumbest 12th man post this year.
montana  
Modus Operandi : 8/20/2014 3:41 pm : link
I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.
RE: RE: So I guess its OK  
UAGiant : 8/20/2014 3:47 pm : link
In comment 11816575 montanagiant said:
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In comment 11816194 Ron from Ninerland said:


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If an MLB ump from Alabama, lets say refuses to work Yankee games ?



Why would a name that celebrates our armies during a few world wars cause an umpire to not ump it? Help me out here, not seeing the correlation


Slippery slopes have never been slippier, causing False Equivalencies to escalate to this point.
These threads  
Chaka : 8/20/2014 3:48 pm : link
are a really great way to identify morons

RE: RE: So I guess its OK  
Jimmy Googs : 8/20/2014 4:03 pm : link
In comment 11816575 montanagiant said:
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In comment 11816194 Ron from Ninerland said:


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If an MLB ump from Alabama, lets say refuses to work Yankee games ?



Why would a name that celebrates our armies during a few world wars cause an umpire to not ump it? Help me out here, not seeing the correlation


Just because it fits as to how ridiculous these types of threads have become...the NY Yankees didn't get their name from celebrating our armies in WWI and WWII.

but hell, what's in a name anyway...
Man...  
Chris in Philly : 8/20/2014 4:04 pm : link
the stupidity here can be breathtaking.
well  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/20/2014 4:29 pm : link
I'm off to my vaudeville show where I wear my blackface...who's coming?
Could it be that the League honored his request  
Blackbeard : 8/20/2014 4:44 pm : link
to be sure that he didn't go to litigation?
RE: These threads  
lawguy9801 : 8/20/2014 4:48 pm : link
In comment 11816682 Chaka said:
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are a really great way to identify morons


Yeah - the people who've watched the NFL their whole lives, and then began being offended by the Redskins name about 6 months ago because of an orchestrated PR campaign.
What if Jeff Triplette refused to work Redskins games ?  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/20/2014 5:06 pm : link
We'd have a whole new thread with everybody chiming in about how they should fire his ass
RE: montana  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/20/2014 5:09 pm : link
In comment 11816666 Modus Operandi said:
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I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.


Thank goodness I have people on BBI to tell me whats offensive and what isn't
RE: RE: montana  
Randy in CT : 8/20/2014 5:19 pm : link
In comment 11816869 Ron from Ninerland said:
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I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.



Thank goodness I have people on BBI to tell me whats offensive and what isn't
Ron it is so clear that even anti-PC folks are on board. Your inability to see it is shameful. Though I'm sure you won't feel any.
RE: RE: RE: montana  
lawguy9801 : 8/20/2014 5:46 pm : link
In comment 11816891 Randy in CT said:
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I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.



Thank goodness I have people on BBI to tell me whats offensive and what isn't

Ron it is so clear that even anti-PC folks are on board. Your inability to see it is shameful. Though I'm sure you won't feel any.
we

Well, not for nothing but about 6 months ago, the "offensive" name that has been around for 80 years was not so self-evidently "shameful." Only after the weak-minded snapped to attention when told did it become so in certain quarters.
There are some weak-minded around here  
Randy in CT : 8/20/2014 5:57 pm : link
alright.
lawguy 9801.  
Blackbeard : 8/20/2014 7:13 pm : link
Don't you know better than to disagree with Randy in Ct?

He may not always be right, but he is never wrong!
RE: RE: RE: RE: montana  
BrettNYG10 : 8/20/2014 7:20 pm : link
In comment 11816919 lawguy9801 said:
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I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.



Thank goodness I have people on BBI to tell me whats offensive and what isn't

Ron it is so clear that even anti-PC folks are on board. Your inability to see it is shameful. Though I'm sure you won't feel any.

we

Well, not for nothing but about 6 months ago, the "offensive" name that has been around for 80 years was not so self-evidently "shameful." Only after the weak-minded snapped to attention when told did it become so in certain quarters.


I know you're not a big fan of facts, but there have been protests over the name since the 1980's.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: montana  
Wuphat : 8/20/2014 7:22 pm : link
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I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.



Thank goodness I have people on BBI to tell me whats offensive and what isn't

Ron it is so clear that even anti-PC folks are on board. Your inability to see it is shameful. Though I'm sure you won't feel any.

we

Well, not for nothing but about 6 months ago, the "offensive" name that has been around for 80 years was not so self-evidently "shameful." Only after the weak-minded snapped to attention when told did it become so in certain quarters.



I know you're not a big fan of facts, but there have been protests over the name since the 1980's.


And, you know, Carey made the request 8 years ago, not 6 months ago.
Actually, I'm wrong.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/20/2014 7:25 pm : link
Earliest documentation is from the 70's.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: montana  
BrettNYG10 : 8/20/2014 7:31 pm : link
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I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.



Thank goodness I have people on BBI to tell me whats offensive and what isn't

Ron it is so clear that even anti-PC folks are on board. Your inability to see it is shameful. Though I'm sure you won't feel any.

we

Well, not for nothing but about 6 months ago, the "offensive" name that has been around for 80 years was not so self-evidently "shameful." Only after the weak-minded snapped to attention when told did it become so in certain quarters.



I know you're not a big fan of facts, but there have been protests over the name since the 1980's.



And, you know, Carey made the request 8 years ago, not 6 months ago.


You're small minded for thinking that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: montana  
BrettNYG10 : 8/20/2014 7:32 pm : link
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I'm not sure Ron understands the fact one name is racist and the other isnt.



Thank goodness I have people on BBI to tell me whats offensive and what isn't

Ron it is so clear that even anti-PC folks are on board. Your inability to see it is shameful. Though I'm sure you won't feel any.

we

Well, not for nothing but about 6 months ago, the "offensive" name that has been around for 80 years was not so self-evidently "shameful." Only after the weak-minded snapped to attention when told did it become so in certain quarters.



I know you're not a big fan of facts, but there have been protests over the name since the 1980's.



And, you know, Carey made the request 8 years ago, not 6 months ago.


You're small minded for thinking that.
So small minded I had to post it twice, I guess.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/20/2014 7:32 pm : link
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Some of that liberal media shit flooding the site  
Wuphat : 8/20/2014 7:33 pm : link
I guess
I'm also in the anti-PC crowd  
Servo : 8/20/2014 8:22 pm : link
and I can't understand how those who defend the name refuse to acknowledge the context of the franchise's history of abject, manifest racism.

Then add in the imagery the team has used in its logos and mascots over the years, the original lyrics of "Hail to the Redskins," etc., and there is just no denying that the name is a racial slur and nothing else. (Oh, and how about the middle-aged high school band rejects marching around the field--out of step--in ridiculous cigar store Indian headdress? That's a celebration of the indigenous culture, right?) There is no rational argument on the other side.

As a resident of the area, I find it embarrassing that the team that purports to represent my community (and the nation's capital, no less) has a racial slur for a name and I have felt this way for a long time.
I am not a fan of PC  
Matt M. : 8/20/2014 8:41 pm : link
But, this issue is not about being PC. It is about a derogatory term being used as a team name. This official went to his boss and asked not to be put in a situation that makes him feel uncomfortable. There is nothing wrong with that. Perhaps if more did this, the league would apply some pressure to change the name.
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