the NFL has supposedly reached out to various musicians (Katy Perry, Coldplay and Rihanna) to see if they would pay the NFL for the "privilege" of playing at halftime of the Super Bowl...all said no (not in article but I heard this on the radio last night)...
really? does the NFL need the money that badly?
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I think the NFL can afford to pay entertainers for halftime entertainment considering they are raking in the cash. Don't be a dope.
why shouldn't they pay for that opportunity?
This isn't Russia, is it Danny?
Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?
At a certain point when the goal has become trying to squeeze out every possible dime when already this profitable will result in a lesser quality product.
This isn't Russia, is it Danny?
Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?
You're sure many people could afford to take a 20% pay cut? Based on... something you just pulled out of your ass?
Nobody is crying for superstar musical acts. The band/act is the one making time and putting on a show, bringing a draw (e.g. female acts who tend to bring in a demographic who otherwise would not watch), and now they have to bid/pay for the opportunity to do so? That makes zero sense.
Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.
I think you're talking about changing an entire business model. I don't see that happening.
I also heard it broken down another way. A 30-sec commercial costs advertisers ~$4M. So the entertainer is basically getting a 12 min "commercial" now worth approximately $100M. That's a huge benefit to the entertainers.
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.
Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.
How many tune in "just" for the halftime show? I usually take the time to refresh my beer or serve the next round of food if I'm hosting.
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.
Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.
Speak for yourself.
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.
Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.
How many tune in "just" for the halftime show? I usually take the time to refresh my beer or serve the next round of food if I'm hosting.
Good to have your one vote registered. But I'm going to hold fast to the crazy idea that the whole point of a flashy half-time show is to draw eyeballs.
lol - I thought it fit. haha
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does that mean they should?
This isn't Russia, is it Danny?
Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?
You're sure many people could afford to take a 20% pay cut? Based on... something you just pulled out of your ass?
Nobody is crying for superstar musical acts. The band/act is the one making time and putting on a show, bringing a draw (e.g. female acts who tend to bring in a demographic who otherwise would not watch), and now they have to bid/pay for the opportunity to do so? That makes zero sense.
i guarantee you that the NFL brings many more new viewers to these acts then they bring to the game.
They already do the show for free and have been for years. this is just a continuation of that.
Some band will be smart enough to pay up, just watch
LOL.
Only problem is, they apparently can't even lure Fireman Ed back.
And I like this idea. No reason to pay these hacks who can barely play an instrument and lip sync their entire "performance."
I also heard it broken down another way. A 30-sec commercial costs advertisers ~$4M. So the entertainer is basically getting a 12 min "commercial" now worth approximately $100M. That's a huge benefit to the entertainers.
So, should the players pay the NFL?
Needs a psychiatrist.
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does that mean they should?
This isn't Russia, is it Danny?
Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?
You're sure many people could afford to take a 20% pay cut? Based on... something you just pulled out of your ass?
Nobody is crying for superstar musical acts. The band/act is the one making time and putting on a show, bringing a draw (e.g. female acts who tend to bring in a demographic who otherwise would not watch), and now they have to bid/pay for the opportunity to do so? That makes zero sense.
i guarantee you that the NFL brings many more new viewers to these acts then they bring to the game.
They already do the show for free and have been for years. this is just a continuation of that.
Some band will be smart enough to pay up, just watch
Many of the acts that've played already have compiled quite a huge number of fans. It's not like they're putting unknowns out there. The NFL tries to get an act that will attract more than the average football fan to watch, thus why we end up with acts like Beyonce, Madonna, etc. But if you think the majority of viewers tuning in are new to those acts... not sure what to tell you
I'm curious to see what second-tier act they are going to put up there for the fee they're hoping to get.
And these are all very well established acts before hand.
These acts probably didn't need the extra millions in revenue but I think they are happy to get it
those people are probably not on bbi, but they def exist.
I'm curious to see what second-tier act they are going to put up there for the fee they're hoping to get.
Exactly. All hacks that can barely play an instrument and lip sync.
Because even if some pop superstar or hip-hop mogul decides to pony up every so often the obvious next step is that a label would pay up and trot out five or six of its headliners for some colossal pile of shit that pisses off everyone and pleases no one.
At a certain point when the goal has become trying to squeeze out every possible dime when already this profitable will result in a lesser quality product.
Was this mean sarcastically? Because it'd be hard to get much lower in quality. Some years it's not bad - I thought this year was ok, and Tom Petty was pretty good in XLII - but generally they put on really crappy shows. Whether Beyonce is doing it for free or Lady Gaga is paying a little for the privilege isn't going to change the quality much.
I'm curious to see what second-tier act they are going to put up there for the fee they're hoping to get.
I meant the pop acts. Britney, Janet Jackson, etc. Obviously not U2, Rolling Stones, etc. Those are different. :)
I don't know who the NFL is looking at for future performances, but I assume they'll all laugh when asked to pay to play. I'd bet it never happens. Any band worth anything thinks they're bigger than the game anyway.
If they make bad business decisions and lose customers so be it
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a significant spike in their sales/popularity immediately after performing the halftime show. So why shouldn't the NFL get a piece of that since they are providing the avenue for these entertainers to reach 10s of millions of viewers.
I also heard it broken down another way. A 30-sec commercial costs advertisers ~$4M. So the entertainer is basically getting a 12 min "commercial" now worth approximately $100M. That's a huge benefit to the entertainers.
So, should the players pay the NFL?
Horrible analogy. There's no NFL without the players. The SB would continue flourishing without the halftime show.
If they make bad business decisions and lose customers so be it
I think that's pretty much it. If they don't get entertainers (or quality entertainers) and it causes them to lose business, then it was a bad decision. If it doesn't, then it was a good decision. But there is no "wrongness" to them asking.
If the sport gets destroyed because they put up a shitty super bowl halftime show, they've' got more fundamental problems.
its a pretty efficient system.
But at the end of the day its their choice to make
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Free enterprise kind of works...
I think the NFL can afford to pay entertainers for halftime entertainment considering they are raking in the cash. Don't be a dope.
Don't be a chucklehead. The NFL is a business and this is business. "Raking in cash" doesn't mean you should just leave money on the table if there is an opportunity to be more profitable. The entertainers clearly benefit before and after they put on this 25 minute show so the NFL is looking to see if it can share in that benefit.
And if an entertainer doesn't want the gig then so be it. But my guess is a show will go on one way or another.
Blue Baller, so you're pretty much saying that provided 31 families/individuals make a massive amount of money (much of it off of the taxpayer) from a "business" they inherited (all 3 NY owners qualify) then it's cool if they fundamentally alter the nature of the sport to suit their needs? For the life of me I can't understand why you wouldn't find a Green Bay model more preferable to the perverse thing we have now.
Don't be so dramatic. You act like the NFL always negotiates against 6 year olds.
BTW - if the NFL didn't care about running itself like a profitable business, you would ultimately hate the product and not watch it.
Blue Baller, so you're pretty much saying that provided 31 families/individuals make a massive amount of money (much of it off of the taxpayer) from a "business" they inherited (all 3 NY owners qualify) then it's cool if they fundamentally alter the nature of the sport to suit their needs? For the life of me I can't understand why you wouldn't find a Green Bay model more preferable to the perverse thing we have now.
Um, yeah. It's their business.
We are always free to find something else to entertain us if they provide a poor product.
The counter-argument is that there is one half-time show, and even among the 'elite' artists they become commoditized on that stage - it doesn't matter if it's Beyonce/Katy Perry/BrettNYG10(!!!!!) up there, it'll draw viewers regardless (I'm not sure whether that's true or not, I haven't seen ratings over a long time period for the show). Therefore, NFL has all the leverage (theoretically) if it's the boost to the artists that it's believed to be.
And what difference does it make if the NFL decided it wants to be pretty profitable plus another 10% (just throwing that out as a %).
The entertainer can always say "no".
SNL, for instances, gets a little risky, occasionally, booking lesser known acts. But they can afford to. The NFL is in the business of pleasing the masses. That's their brand. Their interest.
It's certainly also a win for the artists. And that's why they do it without being paid.
(See how easy that is?)
Again, the artists can all say "no" and the NFL would need to re-address what the market is saying.
Or maybe a top artist will ultimately say "yes".
But good job with the pro-Corporate cash grab stance. The voice of the Big Guy is underrepresented out there in the world
Jimmy Googs, who's being dramatic? I understand that you're cool with it, but it doesn't take away from the reality that the sport is being diluted solely for the benefit of the owners. Also, why are negotiations even taking place? If we're going to go down this road then lets do it - let them build their own new stadiums and fund their own events.
Either way, it doesn't affect you, only the millionaire "little guy" artist.
SNL, for instances, gets a little risky, occasionally, booking lesser known acts. But they can afford to. The NFL is in the business of pleasing the masses. That's their brand. Their interest.
It's certainly also a win for the artists. And that's why they do it without being paid.
Oh yeah, I think they need a big name - but there's only one Super Bowl half time show and a lot of big names. Which is why the NFL only pays for expenses and not more, obviously. I don't think that leverage extends to collecting ticket sales.
And if the market for new stadiums/events wasn't around then the owners would have to address whether they build their own. But that isn't the market right now and hasn't been for some time.
Jimmy Googs, who's being dramatic? I understand that you're cool with it, but it doesn't take away from the reality that the sport is being diluted solely for the benefit of the owners. Also, why are negotiations even taking place? If we're going to go down this road then lets do it - let them build their own new stadiums and fund their own events.
Before it's a sport, it's a business.
So whatever "integrity" there is, with respect to how it's played or with entertainment decisions, so long as it's not illegal, will be filtered by the viewer. If the viewer finds it so objectionable so that it becomes unwatchable, then the business will either have to change or fail. Not sure what's odd about that.
Blue - the pro Corporation supports the multi-millionaire NFL Owners.
The con Corporation supports the multi-millionaire most famous artists on the planet.
Unlimited supply, no. But enough that the leverage tilts towards the NFL.
This "market" talk is ridiculous. I'd imagine that the vast majority of people - football fans or not - disapprove of taxpayers building stadiums for millionaire owners but our political process favors those with money so of course they're built..but hey, it's legal and profitable for the owners so I'm cool with it.
Sell it to the highest bidder. Anyone want to start a collection for Wilco?
Nevertheless, i like all the conspiracy theories so keep them coming...
I'm curious to see what second-tier act they are going to put up there for the fee they're hoping to get.
These are some of the top entertainers in the world and they already provide their time, talent and fame for free so the NFL can sell ads during halftime. Now the NFL expects them to pay a stage fee on top of that like they were some garage band.
I'm sure that there are acts out there that would pay, or at least their labels would, but I doubt those would be the ones the NFL would be able to sell advertisers on.
But this is just par for the course. The NFL hates the idea that anyone out there is making money on their thing and not kicking back 95 cents on the dollar.
All I said was that the league is currently structured in a manner that is antagonistic to most fans in terms of the quality of play and the direction of the sport. Most of us, myself included, have too much love and nostalgia for the sport and the Giants to walk away - that in no way means that we like where things are headed.
The latest flurry of defensive penalties is a directive from the Leagues Competition Committee. Yes it will help the Offense, especially if the Defense doesn't adapt. But my guess is either they will and/or the refs will calm it down because fans are not enjoying the product as much. We'll see, but I think it is clearly over-reaching to say it was a directive from owners to pilfer more money thru commercials and longer games.
Relative to new stadiums being funded by taxpayers. This is voted on in the local community or at least I think it always is. While I don't disagree that is often challenged by groups who do not think it is warranted, however it goes to a democratic vote. If the politics are dirty, that is a different issue and not for our debate.
I don't know what they are, but I don't think I would be surprised.
Again, you sound as if a potential hosting city (just like an entertainer for halftime) has to stipulate. Negotiate, put up your own demands, back down, step up...whatever, but stop short of complaining that life is unfair.