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NFL wants pay for play for Super Bowl halftime...

Mike in St. Louis : 8/20/2014 12:39 pm
the NFL has supposedly reached out to various musicians (Katy Perry, Coldplay and Rihanna) to see if they would pay the NFL for the "privilege" of playing at halftime of the Super Bowl...all said no (not in article but I heard this on the radio last night)...

really? does the NFL need the money that badly?
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So you the NFL should be not for profit or something?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/20/2014 12:42 pm : link
Free enterprise kind of works...
RE: So you the NFL should be not for profit or something?  
Giantology : 8/20/2014 12:45 pm : link
In comment 11816213 Jimmy Googs said:
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Free enterprise kind of works...


I think the NFL can afford to pay entertainers for halftime entertainment considering they are raking in the cash. Don't be a dope.
That gig is a prooven boon for the acts that get it  
Blue Baller : 8/20/2014 12:45 pm : link
its essentially the most effective advertising campaign available for music acts

why shouldn't they pay for that opportunity?
The NFL likes Coldplay?  
Greg from LI : 8/20/2014 12:46 pm : link
I know its promotion  
viggie : 8/20/2014 12:46 pm : link
but these artists donate their time and rehearsal time and also pay the cost of moving their whole stage show and equipment for this. Paying to play seems a little crappy to me.
I'm sure many could afford to take a 20% pay cut  
Blue Baller : 8/20/2014 12:49 pm : link
does that mean they should?

This isn't Russia, is it Danny?

Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?
If their goal is to give their fans the besr show  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 12:49 pm : link
They would be looking to try and employ who they judged would be able to put on the best show.

At a certain point when the goal has become trying to squeeze out every possible dime when already this profitable will result in a lesser quality product.
So  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2014 12:51 pm : link
I could have had bands bid to play at my wedding but instead I paid them? Man, I fucked that up.
'Told you so.'  
vibe4giants : 8/20/2014 12:51 pm : link
Mark Cuban
RE: I'm sure many could afford to take a 20% pay cut  
Giantology : 8/20/2014 12:53 pm : link
In comment 11816226 Blue Baller said:
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does that mean they should?

This isn't Russia, is it Danny?

Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?


You're sure many people could afford to take a 20% pay cut? Based on... something you just pulled out of your ass?

Nobody is crying for superstar musical acts. The band/act is the one making time and putting on a show, bringing a draw (e.g. female acts who tend to bring in a demographic who otherwise would not watch), and now they have to bid/pay for the opportunity to do so? That makes zero sense.
Doesn't seem too different than  
Enoch : 8/20/2014 12:57 pm : link
the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.
Maybe the Jets should ante up  
Giants2012 : 8/20/2014 1:00 pm : link
so they can play at the Super Bowl?
Great  
The 12th Man : 8/20/2014 1:01 pm : link
entertainment now to the highest bidder.
RE: Doesn't seem too different than  
vibe4giants : 8/20/2014 1:02 pm : link
In comment 11816247 Enoch said:
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.



Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.
RE: Doesn't seem too different than  
MOOPS : 8/20/2014 1:02 pm : link
In comment 11816247 Enoch said:
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.



I think you're talking about changing an entire business model. I don't see that happening.
Giants2012  
JohnB : 8/20/2014 1:03 pm : link
Great f'ing answer!!!!
most entertainers see  
GIANTSr01 : 8/20/2014 1:03 pm : link
a significant spike in their sales/popularity immediately after performing the halftime show. So why shouldn't the NFL get a piece of that since they are providing the avenue for these entertainers to reach 10s of millions of viewers.

I also heard it broken down another way. A 30-sec commercial costs advertisers ~$4M. So the entertainer is basically getting a 12 min "commercial" now worth approximately $100M. That's a huge benefit to the entertainers.
How soon  
sjnyfan : 8/20/2014 1:04 pm : link
before you have to pay to be the country singer that gets to sing 'The Star Spangled Banner'?
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GIANTSr01 : 8/20/2014 1:04 pm : link
In comment 11816261 vibe4giants said:
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.




Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.


How many tune in "just" for the halftime show? I usually take the time to refresh my beer or serve the next round of food if I'm hosting.
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BrettNYG10 : 8/20/2014 1:06 pm : link
In comment 11816261 vibe4giants said:
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.




Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.


Speak for yourself.
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vibe4giants : 8/20/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 11816271 GIANTSr01 said:
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the existing practice of having a "halftime sponsor" who is indubitably paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on the "Pepsi is Awesome Halftime Show." Just pushes the payola down a rung.




Except it's totally different. No one is tuning into the Half-time show in the hopes Pepsi's nipple pops out.



How many tune in "just" for the halftime show? I usually take the time to refresh my beer or serve the next round of food if I'm hosting.



Good to have your one vote registered. But I'm going to hold fast to the crazy idea that the whole point of a flashy half-time show is to draw eyeballs.
RE: Giants2012  
Giants2012 : 8/20/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 11816264 JohnB said:
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Great f'ing answer!!!!


lol - I thought it fit. haha
RE: RE: I'm sure many could afford to take a 20% pay cut  
Blue Baller : 8/20/2014 1:09 pm : link
In comment 11816238 Giantology said:
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does that mean they should?

This isn't Russia, is it Danny?

Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?



You're sure many people could afford to take a 20% pay cut? Based on... something you just pulled out of your ass?

Nobody is crying for superstar musical acts. The band/act is the one making time and putting on a show, bringing a draw (e.g. female acts who tend to bring in a demographic who otherwise would not watch), and now they have to bid/pay for the opportunity to do so? That makes zero sense.


i guarantee you that the NFL brings many more new viewers to these acts then they bring to the game.

They already do the show for free and have been for years. this is just a continuation of that.

Some band will be smart enough to pay up, just watch

The NFL is asking for a % of the subsequent tour revenue  
The Natural : 8/20/2014 1:10 pm : link
that the halftime act earns.
RE: Maybe the Jets should ante up  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2014 1:10 pm : link
In comment 11816254 Giants2012 said:
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so they can play at the Super Bowl?


LOL.

Only problem is, they apparently can't even lure Fireman Ed back.

And I like this idea. No reason to pay these hacks who can barely play an instrument and lip sync their entire "performance."
RE: most entertainers see  
robbieballs2003 : 8/20/2014 1:12 pm : link
In comment 11816266 GIANTSr01 said:
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a significant spike in their sales/popularity immediately after performing the halftime show. So why shouldn't the NFL get a piece of that since they are providing the avenue for these entertainers to reach 10s of millions of viewers.

I also heard it broken down another way. A 30-sec commercial costs advertisers ~$4M. So the entertainer is basically getting a 12 min "commercial" now worth approximately $100M. That's a huge benefit to the entertainers.


So, should the players pay the NFL?
Not if the entertainer is already established  
MotownGIANTS : 8/20/2014 1:16 pm : link
Beyonce does not need the NFL .... Now her sister on the other hand .....
RE: Not if the entertainer is already established  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2014 1:17 pm : link
In comment 11816294 MotownGIANTS said:
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Beyonce does not need the NFL .... Now her sister on the other hand .....


Needs a psychiatrist.
Who watches the halftime anyways?  
Doomster : 8/20/2014 1:21 pm : link
That is when you do the Grillin'......I can't remember the last time I wasted time watching that crap....
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Giantology : 8/20/2014 1:25 pm : link
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does that mean they should?

This isn't Russia, is it Danny?

Are we really crying for the superstar musical acts?



You're sure many people could afford to take a 20% pay cut? Based on... something you just pulled out of your ass?

Nobody is crying for superstar musical acts. The band/act is the one making time and putting on a show, bringing a draw (e.g. female acts who tend to bring in a demographic who otherwise would not watch), and now they have to bid/pay for the opportunity to do so? That makes zero sense.



i guarantee you that the NFL brings many more new viewers to these acts then they bring to the game.

They already do the show for free and have been for years. this is just a continuation of that.

Some band will be smart enough to pay up, just watch


Many of the acts that've played already have compiled quite a huge number of fans. It's not like they're putting unknowns out there. The NFL tries to get an act that will attract more than the average football fan to watch, thus why we end up with acts like Beyonce, Madonna, etc. But if you think the majority of viewers tuning in are new to those acts... not sure what to tell you
' these hacks who can barely play an instrument and lip sync'  
schabadoo : 8/20/2014 1:26 pm : link
They've had a good number of live shows recently...Bruce, Tom Petty, U2, Prince, the Who, the Stones, Paul McCartney. I'd think last year's show would've been live if it wasn't in NJ in the winter.

I'm curious to see what second-tier act they are going to put up there for the fee they're hoping to get.
I wish Sinatra was still around...  
BMac : 8/20/2014 1:29 pm : link
...If they asked him to pay, the NFL would wind up with broken kneecaps.
Playing halftime creates a huge boost in sales  
Blue Baller : 8/20/2014 1:30 pm : link
That is a fact and can't be denied

And these are all very well established acts before hand.

These acts probably didn't need the extra millions in revenue but I think they are happy to get it

An no, I dont think viewers are new to these acts  
Blue Baller : 8/20/2014 1:33 pm : link
I am saying Beyonce and Madonna and Bruno Mars aren't getting tens of millions of middle aged white guys to watch her without the NFL

There are plenty of people  
upstatenyg : 8/20/2014 1:36 pm : link
who just tune in for the halftime show, or loosely view the game at a party, and then get quiet and tune into halftime like it is the main thing.

those people are probably not on bbi, but they def exist.
Attn: Commissioner Goodell  
PeterS : 8/20/2014 1:42 pm : link
You want increased revenues? I have two words for you: pay toilets.
RE: ' these hacks who can barely play an instrument and lip sync'  
Cam in MO : 8/20/2014 1:46 pm : link
In comment 11816320 schabadoo said:
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They've had a good number of live shows recently...Bruce, Tom Petty, U2, Prince, the Who, the Stones, Paul McCartney. I'd think last year's show would've been live if it wasn't in NJ in the winter.

I'm curious to see what second-tier act they are going to put up there for the fee they're hoping to get.


Exactly. All hacks that can barely play an instrument and lip sync.

I get the impulse to monetize it...  
Dunedin81 : 8/20/2014 1:50 pm : link
but as much money as they make off the game maybe it makes sense to look at it holistically. Do you want the game, and the halftime show, to be Disney World where you're selling an overall product knowing that you're making money on the whole so that you don't have to squeeze every penny out of a concessionaire or a gift shop, or do you want it to be the county fair, where every bleeping thing costs $5 and the overall experience is the poorer for it?

Because even if some pop superstar or hip-hop mogul decides to pony up every so often the obvious next step is that a label would pay up and trot out five or six of its headliners for some colossal pile of shit that pisses off everyone and pleases no one.
It's odd hearing all the support  
BayRidgeBlue : 8/20/2014 1:50 pm : link
for "free enterprise" in the NFL when that's the very thing killing the sport. If it weren't for the profit motive would the league be trying to create more offense? Would it be extorting cities into building new stadiums or asking lifelong loyal fans to build new stadiums that we don't need (or want)? Would it go around the country and try to sucker cities into wasting taxpayer money on an event that will provide little in economic benefit? Of course not - but hey, at least we're not socialists!
RE: If their goal is to give their fans the besr show  
Mad Mike : 8/20/2014 1:51 pm : link
In comment 11816227 steve in ky said:
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They would be looking to try and employ who they judged would be able to put on the best show.

At a certain point when the goal has become trying to squeeze out every possible dime when already this profitable will result in a lesser quality product.

Was this mean sarcastically? Because it'd be hard to get much lower in quality. Some years it's not bad - I thought this year was ok, and Tom Petty was pretty good in XLII - but generally they put on really crappy shows. Whether Beyonce is doing it for free or Lady Gaga is paying a little for the privilege isn't going to change the quality much.
RE: ' these hacks who can barely play an instrument and lip sync'  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2014 1:53 pm : link
In comment 11816320 schabadoo said:
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They've had a good number of live shows recently...Bruce, Tom Petty, U2, Prince, the Who, the Stones, Paul McCartney. I'd think last year's show would've been live if it wasn't in NJ in the winter.

I'm curious to see what second-tier act they are going to put up there for the fee they're hoping to get.


I meant the pop acts. Britney, Janet Jackson, etc. Obviously not U2, Rolling Stones, etc. Those are different. :)
both sides are winning  
Csonka : 8/20/2014 1:56 pm : link
the entertainers play a crappyy 20 minute show and possibly get a boost in popularity. and the NFL gets a big name draw to their halftime show which adds to their eyeballs watching and is part of the reason for the obscene TV ad revenue.

I don't know who the NFL is looking at for future performances, but I assume they'll all laugh when asked to pay to play. I'd bet it never happens. Any band worth anything thinks they're bigger than the game anyway.
What I am agging for if their right  
Blue Baller : 8/20/2014 1:57 pm : link
to run their business as they see fit.

If they make bad business decisions and lose customers so be it
Blue Baller..  
BayRidgeBlue : 8/20/2014 2:01 pm : link
What if their business model ends up destroying the sport? Are you OK with that solely to be consistent with an ideology?
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GIANTSr01 : 8/20/2014 2:03 pm : link
In comment 11816289 robbieballs2003 said:
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a significant spike in their sales/popularity immediately after performing the halftime show. So why shouldn't the NFL get a piece of that since they are providing the avenue for these entertainers to reach 10s of millions of viewers.

I also heard it broken down another way. A 30-sec commercial costs advertisers ~$4M. So the entertainer is basically getting a 12 min "commercial" now worth approximately $100M. That's a huge benefit to the entertainers.



So, should the players pay the NFL?


Horrible analogy. There's no NFL without the players. The SB would continue flourishing without the halftime show.
RE: What I am agging for if their right  
Bill L : 8/20/2014 2:05 pm : link
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to run their business as they see fit.

If they make bad business decisions and lose customers so be it


I think that's pretty much it. If they don't get entertainers (or quality entertainers) and it causes them to lose business, then it was a bad decision. If it doesn't, then it was a good decision. But there is no "wrongness" to them asking.
RE: Blue Baller..  
Bill L : 8/20/2014 2:06 pm : link
In comment 11816389 BayRidgeBlue said:
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What if their business model ends up destroying the sport? Are you OK with that solely to be consistent with an ideology?


If the sport gets destroyed because they put up a shitty super bowl halftime show, they've' got more fundamental problems.
Yes - I would be fine with that  
Blue Baller : 8/20/2014 2:09 pm : link
listen we all get a vote, we vote with our dollars (and to a lesser extent our web clicks and TV views)

its a pretty efficient system.

But at the end of the day its their choice to make
RE: RE: So the NFL should be not for profit or something?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/20/2014 2:09 pm : link
In comment 11816215 Giantology said:
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Free enterprise kind of works...



I think the NFL can afford to pay entertainers for halftime entertainment considering they are raking in the cash. Don't be a dope.


Don't be a chucklehead. The NFL is a business and this is business. "Raking in cash" doesn't mean you should just leave money on the table if there is an opportunity to be more profitable. The entertainers clearly benefit before and after they put on this 25 minute show so the NFL is looking to see if it can share in that benefit.

And if an entertainer doesn't want the gig then so be it. But my guess is a show will go on one way or another.
that's just  
Peter from CT : 8/20/2014 2:27 pm : link
ridiculous. Classless.
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