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NFT: Mets at A's game 2

sshin05 : 8/20/2014 4:53 pm
Thought I start a thread on the game. Mets up 7-2, 4th inning.
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ZGiants98  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 6:44 pm : link
I like your dedication to Wilmer, I mean it, you don't hop on and off the bandwagon
RE: Bailed himself out  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:44 pm : link
In comment 11816982 speedywheels said:
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Z - wins and losses don't matter in the big picture, but just the same I'd rather not see them blow a 5-0 lead if possible.


Of course and Im being a bit fecetious but its not like we should be stressing for wins anymore. Even as bad as things are I think we've still been hanging with most teams(aside from the Nats) generally getting splits or playing right with teams. Familia, Mejia, ect are all pitching a lot more than they are used to. Shut em down.
No issues with shutting down the guys you mentioned  
speedywheels : 8/20/2014 6:46 pm : link
Meanwhile, I was at the game last night and the offense did nothing, and today they smack around Smardzjia when I'm not there.

Thanks, guys!
RE: ZGiants98  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:48 pm : link
In comment 11816986 Headhunter said:
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I like your dedication to Wilmer, I mean it, you don't hop on and off the bandwagon


Hey, I wanted him to get a chance. With Tejada, it made zero chance not to but I finally got my wish. Im happy. There are no guarantees. If Flores isn't a major leaguer I won't be upset, but if we never found out at the expense of fucking Ruben Tejada I would have been pissed about it forever. Still too early though. The kid is still very young. We all just watched how TDA struggled at first and he was twice the prospect Flores was. Im not ready to throw in the towel on him yet after a couple weeks.
The young position player on the team that I like the most  
Ira : 8/20/2014 6:51 pm : link
is Campbell. He doesn't get regular playing time, has to play anywhere and yet still hits pretty well.
I'd be totally good with Campbell as a bench/utility guy next year.  
arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 6:54 pm : link
He can play a bunch of positions. He'd be a good fit for that role.
I think Flores will end up traded  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 6:55 pm : link
He simply isn't a full time major league ss and I don't see a place for him unless he ends up a utility bench player for the Mets.
arc  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 6:56 pm : link
I agree he is the perfect fit for that role. And while I am sure he would to be a starter he even content enough to accept that as his role and prepares for it better than most.
The real trade chips  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:00 pm : link
should be Murphy, Gee, and Neise and I think the Mets fan base is seriously underestimating what we can get in return for them. Gee and Neise are still good pitchers and will certainly have value on the trade market. Murphy is an all-star and the likely NL hits leader. With hitting at premium he will net a nice package when he is finally on the market for good and I don't think we are going to miss a beat with Herrera.
We might not have to  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:02 pm : link
trade away a single prospect or or sign a single free agent and still be able to upgrade the team immensely.
I don't think it is wise to trade Murphy  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:04 pm : link
unless you have someone actually pushing him out of the spot. Trading arguably the teams best hitter and creating a hole wit the hopes of a prospect being able to equally fill it is not the smartest move with a team with so many offensive problems.
If Herrera was  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:11 pm : link
a decent prospect or a very good one, I'd agree, but this guy is skyrocketing up the top Minor Leaguers in ALL of baseball regardless of position
Then bring him up when the rosters expend and give him a look  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:15 pm : link
then make him out play Murphy and win the job next spring.
steve  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:20 pm : link
with all due respect, you do not have a competition for a spot in Spring Training
in baseball for a a job. Duda & Ike were 2 veterans they had to make a decision on, but a rookie going against a vet for the job based on Spring Training?
RE: steve  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:23 pm : link
In comment 11817027 Headhunter said:
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with all due respect, you do not have a competition for a spot in Spring Training
in baseball for a a job. Duda & Ike were 2 veterans they had to make a decision on, but a rookie going against a vet for the job based on Spring Training?


I agree I worded it poorly, I should have simply worded it as prove he can do it at this level between the call ups and next spring.
A baseball axiom  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:25 pm : link
you don't win or lose a job in September call up or in Spring Training. You are facing expanded rosters
RE: A baseball axiom  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:30 pm : link
In comment 11817034 Headhunter said:
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you don't win or lose a job in September call up or in Spring Training. You are facing expanded rosters


But if you are thinking of trading away you best hitter you had better let the kid to some extent at least show what he does at the major league level. Trading Murphy without even doing so in my opinion is not wise. It isn't like this team has a surplus of offense that they can easily trade away hitting allow a prospect plenty of time to adjust without it hurting the team. Some teams can do that this team shouldn't.
Steve it really has nothing  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:41 pm : link
to do with just replacing Herrera for Murphy. That's only one part. There are three parts. First... you are replacing him with arguably one of the best 2nd best prospects in baseball at this point who in the least is an upgrade defensively right now and has been hitting out of his mind all year. Two... you are saving the 10-15 million annually it will take to retain Murphy which could be used on another player. Three.... The trade of Murphy likely brings you back a solid player, maybe even a good bat for a position of need. So you are not replacing Murphy with one player. You are replacing him with three.
I mean... one year of 40 year old R.A. Dickey  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:43 pm : link
brought us back Syndergaard, TDA, and Buecerra. 1 month of Marlon Byrd brought us back Vic Black and Dilson Herrera. Murphy is a reigning all-star and possibly hits leader. Seems like the absolute perfect time to sell high and I love the guy.
Z  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:56 pm : link
Well I'll ask you this. With the current state of this organization and this current Mets team and where they are at this point in time with their hopes of Harvey coming back to form next season and looking to make next season one to where they finally may actually challenge for the division imagine just how bad it would be if they traded Murph and it ends up that Herrera proves that he really isn't ready to make the jump?

Just my opinion but this team doesn't need to create an offensive hole for next season without the replacement first showing what he can do at the major league level. At some point trading away talent for picks or prospect can't be a teams main strategy. Murphy shouldn't be traded until they are as certain as they can be he will be properly be replaced in the line-up.

RE: I mean... one year of 40 year old R.A. Dickey  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:58 pm : link
In comment 11817053 ZGiants98 said:
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brought us back Syndergaard, TDA, and Buecerra. 1 month of Marlon Byrd brought us back Vic Black and Dilson Herrera. Murphy is a reigning all-star and possibly hits leader. Seems like the absolute perfect time to sell high and I love the guy.


This team is at an entirely different point in their rebuilding process then when they made those trades, and those guys were much older than Murph who is entering his prime.
Murphy is a professional hitter  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:59 pm : link
no question. He might lead the NL in hits this season. But I get apprehensive every time the ball is hit to Murphy,like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates, you never know what you get. He has improved by leaps and bounds as a 2nd baseman, but................
RE: Murphy is a professional hitter  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 8:03 pm : link
In comment 11817077 Headhunter said:
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no question. He might lead the NL in hits this season. But I get apprehensive every time the ball is hit to Murphy,like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates, you never know what you get. He has improved by leaps and bounds as a 2nd baseman, but................


I don't disagree and am not entirely opposed to his being traded at some point. I just think that you let a prospect push him rather than simply make a trade to hand him a spot with high hopes. Plenty of young players have come up and pushed starters which then displayed to the team that they were viable options for the team to then make a trade creating a spot for them. Why force it?
Well..  
arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 8:03 pm : link
At least he's not in LF anymore

Boy, that was bad.
long term trading Murphy  
Kevin999 : 8/20/2014 8:05 pm : link
would probably be the best thing to do. Unless they are not competitive next year and trade him at the deadline. What I really fear happening, is next year the Mets are in the mix and then at the end of the year they do not pay Murphy and he leaves for nothing.
However the Mets want to be competitive next year and trading him away with no established replacement might send the wrong message. Herrera is hopefully the answer but possible a full year or more away. Only other option is if Flores hits well down the stretch, he could fill the void.
RE: Well..  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 8:05 pm : link
In comment 11817086 arcarsenal said:
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At least he's not in LF anymore

Boy, that was bad.


LOL, yeah with both he and Duda by trying to force them to play in the OF they almost lost them as producers for the team.
Oh by the way  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 8:07 pm : link
Disown Herrara so far tonight

2-3 and hit his 9th home run
Dilson  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 8:08 pm : link
I got fat fingers
RE: Z  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 8:13 pm : link
In comment 11817073 steve in ky said:
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Well I'll ask you this. With the current state of this organization and this current Mets team and where they are at this point in time with their hopes of Harvey coming back to form next season and looking to make next season one to where they finally may actually challenge for the division imagine just how bad it would be if they traded Murph and it ends up that Herrera proves that he really isn't ready to make the jump?

Just my opinion but this team doesn't need to create an offensive hole for next season without the replacement first showing what he can do at the major league level. At some point trading away talent for picks or prospect can't be a teams main strategy. Murphy shouldn't be traded until they are as certain as they can be he will be properly be replaced in the line-up.


Just an example but say we traded Murphy to the Dodgers for Joc Peterson. We use the 10-15 million we would have given Murphy on Lowrie. You would take a Murphy who might walk in free agency in a year anyway over Pederson, Lowrie, and Herrera?? I wouldn't.
I'd trade Murphy  
spike : 8/20/2014 8:16 pm : link
if we can get a cheap productive OF bat back.
Hate  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 8:16 pm : link
Hate to be "evil" but Richards hurt, Angels must be in the market for a SP
RE: RE: I mean... one year of 40 year old R.A. Dickey  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 8:16 pm : link
In comment 11817074 steve in ky said:
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In comment 11817053 ZGiants98 said:


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brought us back Syndergaard, TDA, and Buecerra. 1 month of Marlon Byrd brought us back Vic Black and Dilson Herrera. Murphy is a reigning all-star and possibly hits leader. Seems like the absolute perfect time to sell high and I love the guy.



This team is at an entirely different point in their rebuilding process then when they made those trades, and those guys were much older than Murph who is entering his prime.


I dont understand this point. Sandy already said he is looking for prospects close to major league ready or young players already on a team so the thinking has already changed. Only difference between those trades and one now is that Sandy is no longer looking at players far out in a trade.
RE: Hate  
sshin05 : 8/20/2014 10:09 pm : link
In comment 11817117 DanMetroMan said:
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Hate to be "evil" but Richards hurt, Angels must be in the market for a SP


They'll have to trade before August 31st so that player coming in is eligible for the playoffs.
sshin  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 10:10 pm : link
that means they still have time, plus teams have traded for players just to make the playoffs that were ineligible before.
...  
CGiants07 : 8/20/2014 10:20 pm : link
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 6m
Sources: #Mets have not yet placed Colon on revocable waivers. Would need to get through every other club to reach #Angels. Due $11M in 15

Very  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 10:26 pm : link
real chance he clears. 11 million aint chump change for a block and teams have to know the Mets could just dump him on them to clear the money.
'They'll have to trade before August 31st'  
schabadoo : 8/20/2014 10:36 pm : link
...because I don't think there's any trades after August anyway...
Just got home from the Cyclones game  
Deej : 8/20/2014 11:25 pm : link
left in the 5th. I'll let the team's mid-game tweet tell the story:

Brooklyn Cyclones ‏@BKCyclones 1h

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Not a good night for the Cyclones. Franchise record six errors have led to another franchise record 11 unearned runs. BKLYN trails 14-3.


The errors just kept happening. Rosario dropped a towering pop-up that he was under for a solid half-second. The catcher (#2) literally cant catch. Terrible. And he fought with the pitcher before the game even started. A total embarrassment. Conforto looks solid though -- looked like a pro in a semi-pro league.
Princecum  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 7:52 am : link
7 innings 1run takes the loss for Las Vegas
nice  
feelflows : 8/21/2014 8:10 am : link
9ks as well. I also see leathersich is up to his wild ways.
Come on Z, Niese was put on waivers  
Section331 : 8/21/2014 8:19 am : link
and NO ONE CLAIMED HIM! What makes you think any team would give anything up for him when they wouldn't take him for free? And Gee is a 4 or 5 starter. I'm not saying neither has value, but Niese is overpaid and Gee is arbitration eligible. The Mets are not getting much back in return.

Murphy, yes, could bring a decent return, but I don't buy that Niese and/or Gee will net much.
You do know he was put on revocable waivers  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 8:46 am : link
like probably everyone on the roster was. You do know that?
except Colon  
feelflows : 8/21/2014 8:58 am : link
.... Its strategic lol
Matt Bowman  
sshin05 : 8/21/2014 10:21 am : link
is this guy for real? Doing very well in the PCL and FIP loves him. His K/BB is an incredible 5.20 in AAA. He limits walks and homers and his K/9 is very good (just not Thor good). It's only 5 starts but he's quickly leveled from SSA Brooklyn to AAA in 2 years.
Yes, I know that HH.  
Section331 : 8/21/2014 10:23 am : link
But if Niese was in high demand, a team would put in a claim to see if there was anything they could work out. I'm not saying he has no value, but his value, and Gee's, are vastly overstated here.
RE: Yes, I know that HH.  
Metnut : 8/21/2014 10:29 am : link
In comment 11817628 Section331 said:
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But if Niese was in high demand, a team would put in a claim to see if there was anything they could work out. I'm not saying he has no value, but his value, and Gee's, are vastly overstated here.


Right. I agree with this and its taken me some time to realiize that. Niese and Gee are both legit MLB starters, and thus have value, but with the decline in offense around MLB I don't think we should expect much of a return for either in a trade.

Hopefully they both pitch lights out the rest of the way because I think my heart still believes in Niese more than my head does.
You and I do not know  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 10:31 am : link
which players that a claim was put in on and then withdrawn. Often teams put in a claim to block a rival they know is interested. They don't publicize those moves as SOP. Occasionally something leaks, but unless you work for MLB in NYC, the claims and withdrawals are known by very few
saying someone was put on waivers and no one claimed  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2014 10:35 am : link
him is silly. about any player.

Many teams put their entire team through waivers. this is revocable waivers, and teams do it to gauge interest or other reasons.

irrevocable waivers is only done in extreme cases, normally when you want to outright a player to the minors or you want to unload his salary. Manny ramirez was famously put on irrevocable waivers a during his Red Sox tenure, but he was owed over 100M dollars.

So when the media and some fans went gaga over the fact all anyone needed to do was claim Manny, yeah, and pay him over 100M dollars for the next 5 years.

Niese was on revocable waivers, meaning if he were claimed there is ZERO chance the Mets simply let him go, they'd pull him back and try and work out a trade. The fact he wasn't claimed is no more telling than the fact Mike Trout wasn't claimed.

Gee  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2014 10:40 am : link
almost certainly wouldn't make it through waivers since he's only owed the remainder of 2014 (whatever is left of 3.6 million) and can be retained next year for 5 or so. Niese as has been noted can be dealt to any team, Colon is the interesting one... the Mets perceived cheapness might scare off a blocking team allowing the Mets to deal him. Would love to get back Bedrosian from the Angels in a Colon deal.
BA-  
DanMetroMan : 8/21/2014 11:15 am : link
John (Chicago): Hi JJ, Thanks for chatting. He hasn't made the hot sheet this year, but 2012 2nd rounder Matt Reynolds is hitting .338/.393/.510 in Las Vegas. If you were a betting man, would you wager that he's just another Brad Emaus Las Vegas illusion or something more?
J.J. Cooper: Playing in Las Vegas does make it hard to judge stats. Reynolds .903 OPS actually ranks sixth among Las Vegas hitters with 100+ ABs. Potentially a utility infielder at the big league level, but until the Mets do something about their hole at shortstop, that makes him a starting candidate in New York.
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