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NFT: Mets at A's game 2

sshin05 : 8/20/2014 4:53 pm
Thought I start a thread on the game. Mets up 7-2, 4th inning.
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Lucas Duda  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 4:57 pm : link
if he can avoid those stretches where he goes stone cold could be the answer to 1b
Fangraphs  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 4:59 pm : link
According to Baseball Savant, Duda saw 450 pitches while ahead in the count last season, offering at 168 of them. If you like percentages, he swung at 37% of the pitches he saw while ahead. He’s seen 421 of the same pitches this year, and offered at 181 (43%) of them. And his aggressiveness has been rewarded. His ISO, while ahead in the count this season, stands at .507 (!), a remarkable improvement over his .271 mark in 2013.

I’m reminded of Dave Cameron’s post on hidden hackers. Duda is by no means a hacker, nor is he a hidden one. His new-ish aggressiveness, though, is noticeable, and has been a boon for his productivity.

One more thing before we get back to our comparison, Duda’s in good company regarding his power. He ranks 18th in pull ISO, while ranking 16th going the other way. The only other player that ranks top 20 in both is Paul Goldschmidt.
Duda  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 5:00 pm : link
looks like the answer at 1b (ideally with a RH partner) while Ike will be non-tendered. Well done Sandy.
You root for him  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 5:02 pm : link
because:

A) first and foremost we could use a 1b with his power

B) he seems like a quiet humble guy who is well liked in the clubhouse
mets  
sshin05 : 8/20/2014 5:03 pm : link
defense betraying Wheeler. Thanks Murph!
Love  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 5:06 pm : link
Murphy but I really hope they shop him in the off-season. If Herrera is as good as scouts think then spending 10-12 for 4-5 years for Murphy vs. taking back a nice return for Murphy, maybe "accepting" some mediocre veteran for 60-70 games until Herrera comes up makes the most sense.
DMM  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 5:08 pm : link
How long do we ignore what Reynolds is doing every day? Herrera is dominating.
Play Flores  
Csonka : 8/20/2014 5:09 pm : link
at 2B until Hererra is ready.
Murphy was horrible that inning  
Rflairr : 8/20/2014 5:10 pm : link
forget the error. How the hell doesn't he make that play on the Reddick single
HH  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 5:15 pm : link
I've purposely tried to avoid the Wilmer topic since people are obsessed but I really think they should consider calling up Reynolds (40 man stuff aside) and letting him play SS the rest of the way. Let Wilmer mix in a bit at 3b, 2b, SS and platoon with Duda. I'm not real impressed with Wilmer's bat speed to be perfectly honest with you. I think he's in AAA or traded by opening day.
Csonka  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 5:18 pm : link
if Wilmer doesn't hit he doesn't deserve to play. 2015 shouldn't be another "let's suck" year. I'd deal Murphy and deal with a Kelly Johnson type for half a year if need be. I love young players as much (or more) than the next guy but .221/.255/.294 in 72 big league games shouldn't equate with starting 2b, maybe competing with a Kelly Johnson type in ST? But starting 2b? Not when the 2015 Mets MUST be a legit over .500 team. MUST.
RBI  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 5:18 pm : link
single Wilmer lol
Every day  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 5:19 pm : link
Reynolds 3-5
Herrera 2-4

It's like Groundhog Day
Point  
DanMetroMan : 8/20/2014 5:21 pm : link
remains the same. Wilmer Flores either hits the rest of the way or shouldn't be penciled in for the 2015 Mets. He's not some uberprospect like Thor.
No disagreement at  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:22 pm : link
all on Flores. He's getting his chance and he has to hit. Ive seen a lot of hard hit balls lately though but he needs to settle down a bit. Seems like he's being to aggressive early in the count. Likely trying to prove himself.
Although  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:24 pm : link
Flores's defense has been a very pleasant surprise his ticket to the bigs is his bat and there is no sense penciling him anywhere if he's not hitting but how long has he been the starter? 13 games? I do hope Flores is given a bit more time but Reynolds is equally intriguing to me.
Now Duda with an error  
speedywheels : 8/20/2014 6:27 pm : link
Christ....
The funny thing  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:28 pm : link
about Duda is we all were on his band wagon a few years ago(who could forget my infamous 40 homerun potential quip... lol) but we were all equally frustrated by his lack of aggressiveness leading up to this year. We all knew the big lug had it in him but how many fucking times could he take a fastball right down the plate in a hitters count?

The biggest Duda supporters here were calling him "meh" or "nothing special" up until a couple months ago. I was team Ike because of what he showed but I couldn't be happier the light bulb finally went on for Duda.
The Mets are going to blow this game.  
arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 6:34 pm : link
Book it
Familia walks in a run  
speedywheels : 8/20/2014 6:35 pm : link
Three walks and an error.

Nice...
I could care less if we did or not  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:38 pm : link
Aren't we past wins and losses yet? It might even be nice to have a protected pick again, no? I'd shut down Wright, Mejia, Familia, Wheeler, and deGrom. Let Montero get some more starts, maybe call up a Mazzoni or a Verrett. Call up Reynolds and Muno. Its about that time. Start gearing up for 2015.
I liked Duda over Ike  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 6:38 pm : link
going back quite a bit. I wasn't a big fan of Ike.
Bailed himself out  
speedywheels : 8/20/2014 6:40 pm : link
Z - wins and losses don't matter in the big picture, but just the same I'd rather not see them blow a 5-0 lead if possible.
Wow Flores has a cannon  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:40 pm : link
Knocks it down, recovers, takes two steps before picking it tup, and still throws out the runner by two steps.
ZGiants98  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 6:44 pm : link
I like your dedication to Wilmer, I mean it, you don't hop on and off the bandwagon
RE: Bailed himself out  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:44 pm : link
In comment 11816982 speedywheels said:
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Z - wins and losses don't matter in the big picture, but just the same I'd rather not see them blow a 5-0 lead if possible.


Of course and Im being a bit fecetious but its not like we should be stressing for wins anymore. Even as bad as things are I think we've still been hanging with most teams(aside from the Nats) generally getting splits or playing right with teams. Familia, Mejia, ect are all pitching a lot more than they are used to. Shut em down.
No issues with shutting down the guys you mentioned  
speedywheels : 8/20/2014 6:46 pm : link
Meanwhile, I was at the game last night and the offense did nothing, and today they smack around Smardzjia when I'm not there.

Thanks, guys!
RE: ZGiants98  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 6:48 pm : link
In comment 11816986 Headhunter said:
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I like your dedication to Wilmer, I mean it, you don't hop on and off the bandwagon


Hey, I wanted him to get a chance. With Tejada, it made zero chance not to but I finally got my wish. Im happy. There are no guarantees. If Flores isn't a major leaguer I won't be upset, but if we never found out at the expense of fucking Ruben Tejada I would have been pissed about it forever. Still too early though. The kid is still very young. We all just watched how TDA struggled at first and he was twice the prospect Flores was. Im not ready to throw in the towel on him yet after a couple weeks.
The young position player on the team that I like the most  
Ira : 8/20/2014 6:51 pm : link
is Campbell. He doesn't get regular playing time, has to play anywhere and yet still hits pretty well.
I'd be totally good with Campbell as a bench/utility guy next year.  
arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 6:54 pm : link
He can play a bunch of positions. He'd be a good fit for that role.
I think Flores will end up traded  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 6:55 pm : link
He simply isn't a full time major league ss and I don't see a place for him unless he ends up a utility bench player for the Mets.
arc  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 6:56 pm : link
I agree he is the perfect fit for that role. And while I am sure he would to be a starter he even content enough to accept that as his role and prepares for it better than most.
The real trade chips  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:00 pm : link
should be Murphy, Gee, and Neise and I think the Mets fan base is seriously underestimating what we can get in return for them. Gee and Neise are still good pitchers and will certainly have value on the trade market. Murphy is an all-star and the likely NL hits leader. With hitting at premium he will net a nice package when he is finally on the market for good and I don't think we are going to miss a beat with Herrera.
We might not have to  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:02 pm : link
trade away a single prospect or or sign a single free agent and still be able to upgrade the team immensely.
I don't think it is wise to trade Murphy  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:04 pm : link
unless you have someone actually pushing him out of the spot. Trading arguably the teams best hitter and creating a hole wit the hopes of a prospect being able to equally fill it is not the smartest move with a team with so many offensive problems.
If Herrera was  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:11 pm : link
a decent prospect or a very good one, I'd agree, but this guy is skyrocketing up the top Minor Leaguers in ALL of baseball regardless of position
Then bring him up when the rosters expend and give him a look  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:15 pm : link
then make him out play Murphy and win the job next spring.
steve  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:20 pm : link
with all due respect, you do not have a competition for a spot in Spring Training
in baseball for a a job. Duda & Ike were 2 veterans they had to make a decision on, but a rookie going against a vet for the job based on Spring Training?
RE: steve  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:23 pm : link
In comment 11817027 Headhunter said:
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with all due respect, you do not have a competition for a spot in Spring Training
in baseball for a a job. Duda & Ike were 2 veterans they had to make a decision on, but a rookie going against a vet for the job based on Spring Training?


I agree I worded it poorly, I should have simply worded it as prove he can do it at this level between the call ups and next spring.
A baseball axiom  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:25 pm : link
you don't win or lose a job in September call up or in Spring Training. You are facing expanded rosters
RE: A baseball axiom  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:30 pm : link
In comment 11817034 Headhunter said:
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you don't win or lose a job in September call up or in Spring Training. You are facing expanded rosters


But if you are thinking of trading away you best hitter you had better let the kid to some extent at least show what he does at the major league level. Trading Murphy without even doing so in my opinion is not wise. It isn't like this team has a surplus of offense that they can easily trade away hitting allow a prospect plenty of time to adjust without it hurting the team. Some teams can do that this team shouldn't.
Steve it really has nothing  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:41 pm : link
to do with just replacing Herrera for Murphy. That's only one part. There are three parts. First... you are replacing him with arguably one of the best 2nd best prospects in baseball at this point who in the least is an upgrade defensively right now and has been hitting out of his mind all year. Two... you are saving the 10-15 million annually it will take to retain Murphy which could be used on another player. Three.... The trade of Murphy likely brings you back a solid player, maybe even a good bat for a position of need. So you are not replacing Murphy with one player. You are replacing him with three.
I mean... one year of 40 year old R.A. Dickey  
ZGiants98 : 8/20/2014 7:43 pm : link
brought us back Syndergaard, TDA, and Buecerra. 1 month of Marlon Byrd brought us back Vic Black and Dilson Herrera. Murphy is a reigning all-star and possibly hits leader. Seems like the absolute perfect time to sell high and I love the guy.
Z  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:56 pm : link
Well I'll ask you this. With the current state of this organization and this current Mets team and where they are at this point in time with their hopes of Harvey coming back to form next season and looking to make next season one to where they finally may actually challenge for the division imagine just how bad it would be if they traded Murph and it ends up that Herrera proves that he really isn't ready to make the jump?

Just my opinion but this team doesn't need to create an offensive hole for next season without the replacement first showing what he can do at the major league level. At some point trading away talent for picks or prospect can't be a teams main strategy. Murphy shouldn't be traded until they are as certain as they can be he will be properly be replaced in the line-up.

RE: I mean... one year of 40 year old R.A. Dickey  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 7:58 pm : link
In comment 11817053 ZGiants98 said:
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brought us back Syndergaard, TDA, and Buecerra. 1 month of Marlon Byrd brought us back Vic Black and Dilson Herrera. Murphy is a reigning all-star and possibly hits leader. Seems like the absolute perfect time to sell high and I love the guy.


This team is at an entirely different point in their rebuilding process then when they made those trades, and those guys were much older than Murph who is entering his prime.
Murphy is a professional hitter  
Headhunter : 8/20/2014 7:59 pm : link
no question. He might lead the NL in hits this season. But I get apprehensive every time the ball is hit to Murphy,like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates, you never know what you get. He has improved by leaps and bounds as a 2nd baseman, but................
RE: Murphy is a professional hitter  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 8:03 pm : link
In comment 11817077 Headhunter said:
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no question. He might lead the NL in hits this season. But I get apprehensive every time the ball is hit to Murphy,like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates, you never know what you get. He has improved by leaps and bounds as a 2nd baseman, but................


I don't disagree and am not entirely opposed to his being traded at some point. I just think that you let a prospect push him rather than simply make a trade to hand him a spot with high hopes. Plenty of young players have come up and pushed starters which then displayed to the team that they were viable options for the team to then make a trade creating a spot for them. Why force it?
Well..  
arcarsenal : 8/20/2014 8:03 pm : link
At least he's not in LF anymore

Boy, that was bad.
long term trading Murphy  
Kevin999 : 8/20/2014 8:05 pm : link
would probably be the best thing to do. Unless they are not competitive next year and trade him at the deadline. What I really fear happening, is next year the Mets are in the mix and then at the end of the year they do not pay Murphy and he leaves for nothing.
However the Mets want to be competitive next year and trading him away with no established replacement might send the wrong message. Herrera is hopefully the answer but possible a full year or more away. Only other option is if Flores hits well down the stretch, he could fill the void.
RE: Well..  
steve in ky : 8/20/2014 8:05 pm : link
In comment 11817086 arcarsenal said:
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At least he's not in LF anymore

Boy, that was bad.


LOL, yeah with both he and Duda by trying to force them to play in the OF they almost lost them as producers for the team.
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