"At ddds" with their story? The guy was advancing toward the officers and close enough that he died at one of their feet, was in fact armed with a knife, was not obeying verbal commands, and was behaving erratically just as the citizen who called the police said.
But let's hammer them for misstating the grip, because that's the key piece.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
"At ddds" with their story? The guy was advancing toward the officers and close enough that he died at one of their feet, was in fact armed with a knife, was not obeying verbal commands, and was behaving erratically just as the citizen who called the police said.
But let's hammer them for misstating the grip, because that's the key piece.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
who thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this.... completely justified. You don't advance towards an officer with a knife in your hand. He got what was coming to him.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
I guess you are trying to make a point, but think we are too stupid to get it the 1st, 3rd & 5th time so you kept hammering it home so there can be no mistake as to what it is
a person that thinks these police shootings are getting out of hand. But this is completely justified. You don't advance towards and officer with a weapon. He got what was coming to him.
I don't envy the extremely difficult and stressful situation that the police found themselves in, but wouldn't seeing someone act erratically like that and him telling the officers to shoot him make one think that maybe this isn't just a violent offender case as much as a person with severe mental issues?
I'm sure the police actions will be found justified in the end (and rightly so with the danger posed by this individual), but I think cases like this speaks volumes to how lacking our law enforcement's capability to deal with citizens with mental health issues. And that's not knocking the police as much as pointing out the obvious about how difficult their jobs are with the limited resources available.
You're missing the fact that you can't just pick out a body part and shoot it. Especially in a high stress situation. They are highly inaccurate when firing multiple rounds outside of a controlled setting. Center mass is the easiest and largest target to focus.
headline meant to stir up controversy and attact eyeballs (shocker). THis was suicide by cop and I feel bad that the officers were not only put in a life-threatening situation but were forced to kill a person too chicken-shit to do it himself.
One time to fire my 9mm semi auto handgun. I put a full torso target 10 yards out. He got cocky and tried to be a bad ass, unloaded the clip rapidly. ONE bullet grazed the very bottom right corner of the target. The other 9 completely missed. He learned pretty quickly how inaccurate a handgun was.
I thought I might have to turn in my man card admitting that
My comment to the original poster wasn't meant to be some demeaning man card type comment. It was simple fact. Some people don't realize how difficult it is to fire a weapon.
Go fire a pistol for the first time with no prior instruction and you literally will be lucky to hit the side of a barn.
Now you have cops who are facing a situation of maybe not surviving their shift for the first time. While trained and qualified, they never had to do it under that amount of stress.
Center mass.
I've seen people miss targets at mere 3 yards away...
with a handgun. Nothing about shooting a handgun is ever easy without much training, especially when you are in stressful situation with heart pumping fast and adrenaline spike in your system.
with all other things being equal, the longer the barrel, the more accurate the weapon is.
Trigger control and grip are very important when shooting handguns. The more stressful the situation (or faster you fire), the less you are focusing on those two crucial elements.
are trained extensively in firearms. I'm not saying stressful situations don't make it tougher, but typically many rounds have gone through a service revolver under various training scenarios and the shooter is well trained. Most know how to deal with the pressure, but there are many physiological (fight or flight; tache pysche) things that happen to a person in a combat situation and everyone responds differently. Trust me, I've been there. I'd like to say I responded perfectly everytine. Sadly, I can't. Every situation is different. For those people who question every action taken by LE, I ask them to step into these situations and see how they'd do. I'm certain most would fail.
which makes it exponentially harder to hit something like a "knee" with one shot that would maybe stop the guy in order that they satisfy the arm chair QB's who will criticize them for firing six shots.
are trained extensively in firearms. I'm not saying stressful situations don't make it tougher, but typically many rounds have gone through a service revolver under various training scenarios and the shooter is well trained. Most know how to deal with the pressure, but there are many physiological (fight or flight; tache pysche) things that happen to a person in a combat situation and everyone responds differently. Trust me, I've been there. I'd like to say I responded perfectly everytine. Sadly, I can't. Every situation is different. For those people who question every action taken by LE, I ask them to step into these situations and see how they'd do. I'm certain most would fail.
I will have to respectfully disagree with the training part on this post.
LE may get extensive training (to what extent beyond their required training though?) using handguns (their primary weapon) while the military gets enough using rifles (their primary weapon), but ask any conventional military enlisted or officer about how much handgun training they have gotten and they will be able to tell you most likely on one hand (or two depending on how long they have been in service). Aside from an annual pistol qualification (for which most in the military get waivers due to optempo), very few get the ability to really learn how to shoot handguns in stressful situations.
Conversely, one of the main issues I've had with these police officers having M-4 throughout this situation is that they most likely don't get the level of training that is required to fully appreciate the gravity of having such firepower in their hands (really getting to know that importance of proper rifle muzzle location for each situation), as evidenced in that "I will fucking kill you" video and plethora of photos where these officers are aiming their rifles at unarmed protesters.
knows that the last thing they ever want to do is use their weapon. And those who have shot or those who have justifiably killed a suspect are often very affected by it.
Having to protect the public while protectibg yourself every day is not easy, yet we expect officers to be perfect and seem to nitpick everything they do.
If a man is approaching you with a knife, this is what happens. it is what almost every one of us would do, even if we would be affected afterward by the outcome.
This idea that we can convict the police officer because he fired 6 shots (!) and didn't merely shoot Brown in the leg is ridiculous... yet many (including many BBIers) have essentially stated just that.
To further add to the point regarding firing six rounds at a charging
aggressor, you will be surprised how little time it takes to fire off six round (or even a full magazine of 15) when you are in a stressful situation. Let's just say that you probably can do all of that before before you can blink twice.
Why to they have to empty there guns on him? A shot in the leg would have made more sense.
Who say's they were shooting to kill? They were shooting to stop a man with a weapon from advancing and possibly harming them.
There is a difference between using deadly force and attempting to kill someone- they're not the same thing. Police are authorized in certain situations to use deadly force- meaning that they are aware that there is a possibility of death to the person. They are never authorized to "shoot to kill". They aren't executioners.
the fact that Wilson hit Brown with six shots from his pistol
Is what convinces me that the incident happened at very close range, say 10 feet or closer rather than the 35 feet some people have suggested. Wilson would have to be one hell of a marksman to put six rounds on target from 35 feet in a high-stress situation like that.
Plus lets be honest. These guys are likely a little scared and don't want to die. They want to go home and see their families at the end of the day like anyone else and to expect them to be attacked and yet not do everything to ensure they stop the threat is unfair. Again it is easy to sit back and criticize when you are safe on the sidelines.
The bottom line is many people should hold the person attacking the police more accountable than they do. And if there is evidence that a policeman shot a person with out any cause then he should be held accountable for that, but for goodness sake don't attack a man defending himself because you think you would have done it differently.
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But let's hammer them for misstating the grip, because that's the key piece.
But let's hammer them for misstating the grip, because that's the key piece.
Pretty much how it goes these days.
If it were only that easy but it's not like it is on TV.
Police are taught to shoot center mass only because it's the easiest target and bullets often don't come out
If he shoots the guys leg it misses bone and goes right through and hits a little kid the title of the article is police shoot child.
I'm sure the police actions will be found justified in the end (and rightly so with the danger posed by this individual), but I think cases like this speaks volumes to how lacking our law enforcement's capability to deal with citizens with mental health issues. And that's not knocking the police as much as pointing out the obvious about how difficult their jobs are with the limited resources available.
You've obviously never shot a hand gun.
You're missing the fact that you can't just pick out a body part and shoot it. Especially in a high stress situation. They are highly inaccurate when firing multiple rounds outside of a controlled setting. Center mass is the easiest and largest target to focus.
My comment to the original poster wasn't meant to be some demeaning man card type comment. It was simple fact. Some people don't realize how difficult it is to fire a weapon.
Now you have cops who are facing a situation of maybe not surviving their shift for the first time. While trained and qualified, they never had to do it under that amount of stress.
Center mass.
It never made it off the floor because it's basically putting every cop at risk and is simply unrealistic for anyone that's ever shot a gun.
Trigger control and grip are very important when shooting handguns. The more stressful the situation (or faster you fire), the less you are focusing on those two crucial elements.
Plus these "targets' are moving erratically.
You have a man card? There must have been some processing error somewhere.
I will have to respectfully disagree with the training part on this post.
LE may get extensive training (to what extent beyond their required training though?) using handguns (their primary weapon) while the military gets enough using rifles (their primary weapon), but ask any conventional military enlisted or officer about how much handgun training they have gotten and they will be able to tell you most likely on one hand (or two depending on how long they have been in service). Aside from an annual pistol qualification (for which most in the military get waivers due to optempo), very few get the ability to really learn how to shoot handguns in stressful situations.
Conversely, one of the main issues I've had with these police officers having M-4 throughout this situation is that they most likely don't get the level of training that is required to fully appreciate the gravity of having such firepower in their hands (really getting to know that importance of proper rifle muzzle location for each situation), as evidenced in that "I will fucking kill you" video and plethora of photos where these officers are aiming their rifles at unarmed protesters.
Having to protect the public while protectibg yourself every day is not easy, yet we expect officers to be perfect and seem to nitpick everything they do.
If a man is approaching you with a knife, this is what happens. it is what almost every one of us would do, even if we would be affected afterward by the outcome.
Who say's they were shooting to kill? They were shooting to stop a man with a weapon from advancing and possibly harming them.
There is a difference between using deadly force and attempting to kill someone- they're not the same thing. Police are authorized in certain situations to use deadly force- meaning that they are aware that there is a possibility of death to the person. They are never authorized to "shoot to kill". They aren't executioners.
Sure the majority of police want nothing to do with using their gun. But there are several that are trigger happy.
The bottom line is many people should hold the person attacking the police more accountable than they do. And if there is evidence that a policeman shot a person with out any cause then he should be held accountable for that, but for goodness sake don't attack a man defending himself because you think you would have done it differently.