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Ten Ton Hammer : 8/21/2014 3:59 pm : link
Taylor Lewan will be playing guard and reserve tackle with the Titans.

Greg Robinson is penciled in as a guard for St. Louis.

Jake Matthews was marked for RT, and even though Sam Baker went out for the year with a torn ACL,it's an open competition for replacement LT.

Cyrus Kouandjio doesn't look good in general. "Bills rookie RT Cyrus Kouandjio was reportedly "dominated" in Wednesday's joint practice with the Steelers.
The whole Buffalo offensive line apparently looked like garbage. OL coach Pat Morris called out Kouandjio during the OL vs. DL drill by saying, "You might as well be Venus de Milo." Venus de Milo is an ancient Greek statue in Paris. Kouandjio has been getting whipped by opposing pass rushers. Once viewed as the favorite at right tackle, Kouandjio will be lucky to earn the swing tackle job. Aug 13 - 6:56 PM"
RE: RE: Hammer  
SGMen : 8/21/2014 4:00 pm : link
In comment 11818196 drkenneth said:
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In comment 11818171 Eric from BBI said:


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Martin would probably be playing RT or LT here.



Exactly. Martin can play every spot except C.
My understanding was that Z. Martin could play both guard positions and RT. He was not considered a LT prospect. In retrospect, maybe we should have drafted him but there was hope Snee would bounce back and maybe have another year or two plus we desperately needed a playmaker. Beckham unfortunately has a hurt hammy and we have to live with that.
33-3  
bc4life : 8/21/2014 4:04 pm : link
Don't understand the left side of that score. Jets O is not so hot. They're certainly nowhere close to the Colts.

Giants O will struggle - they will throw a lot because they will not be able to run the ball.

But this tough defensive test will be good for offense needing a kick in the ass.
RE: Reese  
Riggies : 8/21/2014 4:05 pm : link
In comment 11818210 Andy in Boston said:
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has had some poor drafts no doubt it...and its hurt.

Look around the league though???
Every single team has had multiple bad drafts in the last 8-9 years....EVERY SINGLE TEAM. The Patriots have had some horrendous drafts in the last 5-6 years...but they win, as they have Brady.


Brady didn't exactly beast last season and they won 12 games. Hell, when he missed pretty much a whole season, they were still an 11 win team.

He's certainly a great key to their long term success, but it's certainly not close to just about him up there.
re: Jerry  
bc4life : 8/21/2014 4:05 pm : link
again, he's still coming off that knee procedure. It will take a little time for him to physically get right.
I hope Eli plays  
deadkurtrulz : 8/21/2014 4:06 pm : link
one series and hands the ball to a RB three times before we punt. Then bring in Painter to absorb the beating our OL vs their DL is sure to surrender. Our first team OL has been physically outmatched so far and stunts and blitzes will only make it worse. Hopefully the OL will learn from this beat down and improve before the season begins. There is a good chance the first half will be very ugly.
Rex will bring some pretty fancy blitzes...  
HelmetCatch : 8/21/2014 4:25 pm : link
He needs to get his team ready as well. With their secondary I'm sure they will blitz more than any team in the league this year. We need to watch out for Calvin Pryor as well. That rook comes ready to hit...

With this OL Eli better wear full body armor...
Colt  
dontboobigblue : 8/21/2014 4:30 pm : link
if that's what your father taught you he's a bad father with a terrible temper and terrible outlook on humanity.
RE: Colt  
COLT46 : 8/21/2014 4:40 pm : link
In comment 11818313 dontboobigblue said:
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if that's what your father taught you he's a bad father with a terrible temper and terrible outlook on humanity.


Thanks, My Pop was in " who's who in business ", he worked on Madison avenue and was the best father a man could have. He was the guy you wanted next to you at a party or when you needed someone to have your back. He recently passed away but I will never forget the great advice he has given me. BTW I never lost a fight in my life.
I'll take all the Jets -29  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 4:41 pm : link
action.
I suppose you can be a good dad and give out advice  
BeerFridge : 8/21/2014 4:42 pm : link
that's a little psychopathish.
RE: I suppose you can be a good dad and give out advice  
COLT46 : 8/21/2014 4:46 pm : link
In comment 11818323 BeerFridge said:
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that's a little psychopathish.


If he was a pscho then I'll take ten of him in the next life. :-)~
Giants 42 Jets 10  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 4:50 pm : link
and you can kiss my ass if you disagree
Eli has a note for TC from his mother...  
HelmetCatch : 8/21/2014 4:52 pm : link
Hammer  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 4:54 pm : link
So you are saying drafting a top prospect OT/OG would have not solved some problems for the Giants? I don't get that logic.

As for LT, including Mayock, saw him as a LT. He won't play that in Dallas for obvious reasons.
some  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 4:55 pm : link
of you are getting worked up too much by score predictions.

That - as always - is done more for entertainment.

Don't believe the Jets offense can score 33 on us? Fine. Let some of the points come off of their defense and special teams. Better?
Your right Eric I'm too emotional  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 4:58 pm : link
make that Giants 35 Jets 10
You're  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 4:59 pm : link
.
Don't get me wrong...I liked the Beckham pick (still do)  
drkenneth : 8/21/2014 5:00 pm : link
But Martin is now the starting RG for Dallas, and things sound very good. It made a whole bunch of sense to draft him.
Wait a minute !  
PEEJ : 8/21/2014 5:06 pm : link
I thought we all wanted Aaron Donald !?! *grin*
Second Down  
njm : 8/21/2014 5:08 pm : link
One thing to remember is, at least for Friday, Washington ISN'T going to be seeing Reavis. I'm a little more optimistic about what happens when he runs with the 1's than you.
Wow maybe I'm in the minority here  
map7711 : 8/21/2014 5:14 pm : link
I see a team at least on paper thats better than the 2013 team that finished 7-9. Better secondary-better LBs-new OL (couldn't be worse than last yr) better RBs- different TE (again couldn't be worse than last yr). If ODB and one of the young guys steps up for real- Harris/Washington-I dare say better WRs. Because Nicks did nada. Maybe I'm just a half full glass guy. The offense will take time to gel. I have faith in Eli and Tom. We shall see who's right.
RE: Wow maybe I'm in the minority here  
SGMen : 8/21/2014 5:17 pm : link
In comment 11818386 map7711 said:
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I see a team at least on paper thats better than the 2013 team that finished 7-9. Better secondary-better LBs-new OL (couldn't be worse than last yr) better RBs- different TE (again couldn't be worse than last yr). If ODB and one of the young guys steps up for real- Harris/Washington-I dare say better WRs. Because Nicks did nada. Maybe I'm just a half full glass guy. The offense will take time to gel. I have faith in Eli and Tom. We shall see who's right.
When you put it this way, I can see the positive side. My whole thing is that I really thought Snee would have that veteran "bounce back" year with the surgery and all. I also thought Will Hill would finally show and be a really good player for us. Those were two huge blows to this team along with the loss of WR Beckham.
After Last Year's Bad Season  
Trainmaster : 8/21/2014 5:19 pm : link
many of us realized it was going to take more than one year to fix the issues due to significantly deficient talent in multiple areas on this team. Not having all the fixes in place and working after 3 pre-season games is not surprising.

The secondary and possibly the LB corps are much improved over last year. The OL will likely be better (hard to imagine it being worse). The RB situation (in spite of the loss of Wilson) may be better. WRs may be improved over last year (given the disappearing Nicks we saw last year).

The key of course is Eli and to a slightly lesser extent, the new offensive system. Even after a couple of regular season games, the offense may look bad (how bad was Spags defense after the first two games in 2007?). Hopefully the OL shuffling in games that don't matter will find a combination that can at least protect Eli for 3 and maybe 5 step drops.

As long as the Eagles don't improve significantly this year (one can hope), the NFC East should be a crap shoot and the Giants may still be in play in December. That's probably the best we can hope for, at least based on what we've seen so far.
My additional two cents on the OL  
Red Dog : 8/21/2014 5:20 pm : link
We all know that the GIANTS have way under-invested in the OL (and some other positions) over the past few years.

But the background issue is that they can't make much progress towards rebuilding the roster if they keep letting their increasingly few successful draft choices leave after their first contract. Churning players at key positions just doesn't work long term because you can't build a team or build depth when you churn players.

That's been the NYG trend at DT with Griffin, then Cofield, and now Linval Joseph allowed to walk. So they have to keep spending high draft choices to replace them, and hit the inevitable klinker with Austin which just sets them back more.

So this spring they had to spend a 3rd rounder on Bromley instead of using it to further re-inforce the OL. I have every reason to believe that Bromley is going to be a very good player and won't argue against him as a prospect.

But spending all these draft choices on DTs is part of the reason that the OL sucks so badly now and does not seem to be able to protect their franchise QB, WHICH IS THE MOST DIFFICULT POSITION TO FILL IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE, including General Managers. I don't want to hear the crap about they can't afford to keep guys. They have to find a way to keep the worthwhile players and let the unproductive dreck, which they have plenty of, walk.

Now they are showing signs of churning productive WRs, too, with Manningham and now Nicks being allowed to walk. Nicks was a special case because he wasn't productive last season after being very productive earlier in his GIANTS career, and I still wonder what was behind the rumor that he was not getting along with Kevin Gilbride. But the bottom line is that they are starting to churning WRs, too. And that's another position that Reese and Company love to spend premium draft choices on - not always effectively, either - while neglecting the OL, the TEs, and for the most part the LBs.

And lastly, there is absolutely no reason in the world why a team that has a terrible OL that is not adequately protecting the most scarce resource in the game, a true franchise QB, should not spend multiple top picks on rebuilding OL.

This isn't an easy problem to solve. GIANTS management has backed themselves into a corner that they can't get out of short term. The only thing left is to pray that they haven't ruined Eli as a QB and that he won't get injured this season.
The sad thing is  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 5:21 pm : link
that the "realists" here will gleefully repost my prediction if it goes the other way. At least I gave the "realists" Bulletin Board Material to rejoice over if I'm wrong
Fact: Every position on the Giants has a ? mark with the exception of  
chops : 8/21/2014 5:54 pm : link
corner and safety.and the punter.

Fact: Eli hasn't had time to get used to this new offense.

Fact:The Jets have an outstanding D line.

Result: Trouble on Fri. night.
Red Dog-  
drkenneth : 8/21/2014 5:56 pm : link
Nice post.
I'm going to mostly keep my eye on LT Beatty  
SGMen : 8/21/2014 5:57 pm : link
I think his performance will be very telling. If he hangs in there and holds his own I will breathe a big sigh of relief. I also would love it if Pugh held his own at LT. That would be big because we really don't have a back-up LT worthy of keeping on the current roster.
When did the Jets become the  
Headhunter : 8/21/2014 6:02 pm : link
Seahawks of 2013? They have a terrific defensive front, one of the best in the league, but what else do they have?
Jesus Christ...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 8/21/2014 6:03 pm : link
33-3? When did the Jets become the '89 49ers? Listen, you can be down on this team, but don't be another Graziano.
It's not as bad as some are making this team out to be  
micky : 8/21/2014 6:15 pm : link
and not as good as some dream them to be..js
BTW, Jet's are going to the Snoopy Bowl!  
micky : 8/21/2014 6:16 pm : link
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My Guess Is That Factored Into Eric's 33-3  
Trainmaster : 8/21/2014 6:20 pm : link
score is that fact that this game is the Jets Super Bowl. I can imagine Woody telling Rex to make sure to win this game and win it big.

33-3 has some "little brother" factor in it (or Eric gave it about as much thought as a pre-season prediction deserves; about 10 seconds).
33-3.. LOL  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2014 6:34 pm : link
I'm about as negative as I've been about this team in 5 years and that still looks totally ridiculous to me.

I know it's not a big deal. I just don't even know where that comes from. Even if our first team O struggles again, we aren't going to lose the game by 30 points.
Martin  
geemanfan : 8/21/2014 7:11 pm : link
Is as much of a left tackle as Pugh is . They both don't have the arm length to be franchise left tackles. So to say that Martin would be playing left tackle over here when the best left tackle in the draft is playing right tackle is a little silly.
Jets just finished practice  
nygiants1114 : 8/21/2014 7:17 pm : link
Eagles surprised the league by practicing day before games....lots of other teams following suit, giants have started to use some technology as well.
FYI, this is the time of the offseason  
Randy in CT : 8/21/2014 8:01 pm : link
where Eric gets moody! We're 3-0 and showed some good stuff and a buncha crap, but these are practice games! Ginats 85.
Getz -1
RE: Hammer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/21/2014 8:27 pm : link
In comment 11818351 Eric from BBI said:
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So you are saying drafting a top prospect OT/OG would have not solved some problems for the Giants? I don't get that logic.

As for LT, including Mayock, saw him as a LT. He won't play that in Dallas for obvious reasons.


I'm saying the expectation that we'd be "better off" with Martin seems like an overly simple answer to a far more complicated question. Better prospects, true LT prospects that went to teams needing LTs, are not winning LT positions out of training camp as we debate this, But reading the opinions, people are extremely quick to point out that Martin could step in and play LT right away based on what seems like nothing more than because it was said during the draft by guys like mayock.


Mayock also said teddy bridgewater's pro day, throwing against air, made him change his perception of the kid as a QB and doubt his legitimacy as a pic, despite years of excellent, productive game tape of live action. It's hard to really have a high opinion of his ability to evaluate after a line like that.

For the first time since Bradshaw hobbled off into the sunset  
IIT : 8/21/2014 9:29 pm : link
I'm optimistic about what we have at RB. So there's that.

The state of the OL is a result of Reese's draft philosophy which was to burn premium picks elsewhere and try to develop starters on the line out of later round picks. We can see how well that worked out.

It's difficult to judge Eli accurately because of how crappy the surrounding cast has been recently. How can you draw any reasonable conclusions about him when he's had no protection, no running game, no tight ends, and one receiver who was always doubled?

Today he still has a questionable line that is thinner than rolling papers, no tight ends, and we've replaced broken Nicks with broken ODB.

I do think the defense could become a strength and produce a lot of turnovers. We might, *MIGHT* be able to live off that and a decent running game until our offense sorts itself out.
Eric needs to relax about the Snoopy Bowl  
Killed the K-Gun : 8/21/2014 9:48 pm : link
The score prediction makes it hard for me to consider the rest of the analysis fairly.
Not really getting  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2014 10:15 pm : link
the Reese hate all of the sudden. He is responsible for the roster. The entire 53. How he gets those players or where he drafts them is really insignificant. Have the Giants had bad rosters from 2008-2012? Those teams all looked pretty damn good on paper heading in. For every guy he took a flier on in the 3rd and 4th round that didn't work out he made up with it by finding studs completely undrafted(Cruz, Hynoski, Hill) He's been remarkably efficient in the 1st and 2nd rounds too where you almost have to find players and many teams haven't had the luck he's had there. Its not his fault if a guy breaks his neck. How about Beason for a 7th rounder? Reese has done a fine job and Im happy to have him.
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 10:36 pm : link
just waiting for the Nassib hate in the 3rd quarter when the guy gets clobbered with Asper or whomever they throw out at LT after Beatty and Pugh leave the game.

Who the (blank) in the pro personnel department said, "Hey, Charles Brown and John Jerry can help us"?
I think they were both signed as depth  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2014 10:42 pm : link
signings. Both have started many NFL games and are not that old. The problem with the line is general is that they all got old and needed to be replaced almost at the exact same time. Sure there should have been a better contingency plan, but its not easy to just find 5 starters in year and half or so. If the Giants don't go to the playoffs this year it will be because of the o-line and that might just be what happens. Might take a full year more to replace the whole thing and have it playing on a high level and thats really the only issue with this team. Every thing else is far less significant.
ZGiants98  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 10:46 pm : link
the problem is they needed to start rebuilding the line last year and this year.

Pugh may be someone they can build around (he's struggled a bit this preseason). But they only drafted Richburg this year. It looks like they overpaid and overrated Schwartz. We'll see about Walton.

In a nutshell, I'm not sure we have 5 legit starters.

But I do know we have virtually ZERO depth. If anyone gets hurt - and someone WILL get hurt - it's back to what it was last year.

We have dreadful tight ends. Randle and Jernigan have not stood out. Beckham's rookie year may be a wash. Cruz is going to get doubled again. The good news is our running game should be stronger.

But this is not a good roster right now. And I think this will be proven by how hard the Giants look at the waiver wire in the next two weeks.
Booth and Beatty were actually pretty good  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2014 10:47 pm : link
2 years ago. Snee and Bass weren't ancient. Its not like they had a crystal ball and saw Beatty and Booth regressing the following year AND Beatty breaking his leg, and have Bass and Snee get hurt so bad they have to retire.
ZGiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 10:51 pm : link
Snee, Diehl, and Baas - physically - were all breaking down. Baas was NEVER healthy when he was hurt. And when he wasn't healthy, he sucked. Snee was a shadow of himself the last couple of years. Diehl had a great career here, but really declined the last couple of years too.

The problem was that guys who they drafted like Brewer, McCants, Mosley, Petrus, Koets, etc. didn't develop. We'll see with Mosley, but the rest were busts.
Im with you on the o-line  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2014 10:51 pm : link
Its a real concern. If Beatty can't go we might be fucked. Seems like they did make an effort to address the line but it hasn't gone perfect. Brown has been a mess. Like I said... the o-line will dictate our season.

I could care less about the TE's or if Beckum can play right away. Its so far down the totem pole compared to the o-line. If Eli has time he will find his targets. Cruz is a pro-bowler. Randle has flashed. All of the receivers that make the roster will have talent. He's made household names out of no names a million times already. If he doesn't have time to throw or the line can't open holes for the backs the season is over. If he does, we'll be fine. Its really that simple. At least to me.
I don't think guys like  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2014 10:54 pm : link
McCants, Petrus, Koets were drafted as future starters. They went o-line high the last two years. It was clearly a concern to them. I just think the whole thing unraveled too fast. They should have had a better contingency plan in place, you are right but with salary cap in todays NFL makes that difficult and they rolled the dice. It didn't work out. Now they are scrambling to rebuild it.
ZGiants98  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 10:59 pm : link
I thought getting Randle where they did was a steal and was touting him all last year.

But he made a ton of mental mistakes last year and I haven't seen him do anything yet. We're not even hearing about him making plays in camp.

I'd start giving Washington or Harris some of his playing time.
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