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More from Kevin Gilbride on Current Giants Offense

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 7:18 pm
FYI.
Ex-coordinator Kevin Gilbride confident in Eli, new Giants offense - ( New Window )
good interview  
TimsGiants : 8/21/2014 7:37 pm : link
http://podcastone.com/Ross-Tucker-Football-Podcast

He was on Wednesdays show...good listen.
Gilbride interview - ( New Window )
Good article  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 8/21/2014 7:38 pm : link
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"My feeling is they're kind of fighting through this, and once they start paring down the offense for a specific opponent, they'll be much better than they've shown to date," said Gilbride


Some here still assert that Gilbride never game planned.
I don't by this...  
okiegiant : 8/21/2014 7:40 pm : link
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The bigger the game, the better he plays. We own every [offensive] record that they have there over the last decade, so you're always gambling when you change your approach. But I'm very confident in Eli.


Manning is washed up. A poster on BBI told me so... :)
this article  
Andy in Boston : 8/21/2014 8:37 pm : link
and the other Gilbride article make alot of sense. Very practical, no over reaction and coming from a guy who is a 30 year NFL coach. Hopefully it gets people here to relax a little....instead of making completely over the top assumptions about this season based on Eli's preseason stats...and a poor outing by the ones against Indy. Enough.
It's not about Eli's preseason stats.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/21/2014 8:41 pm : link
Eli's been struggling since mid to late 2012.
Very good observations,  
PeterS : 8/21/2014 8:48 pm : link
not to mention classy.
RE: Good article  
eclipz928 : 8/21/2014 8:59 pm : link
In comment 11818483 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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Quote:


"My feeling is they're kind of fighting through this, and once they start paring down the offense for a specific opponent, they'll be much better than they've shown to date," said Gilbride



Some here still assert that Gilbride never game planned.


The criticism for Gilbride around here wasn't so much about whether he game planned as much as it was about his ability to adjust once that game plan was shown not to be working.
All we can do is hope that much of Eli's perceived decline  
SGMen : 8/21/2014 9:07 pm : link
is due to the decline of the talent around him. I believe much of it due to the talent degrading, particularly the talent on the OL.

I have high hopes that the opening day lineup will be better than what we have seen in pre-season. Again, tomorrow night will be telling.
RE: It's not about Eli's preseason stats.  
hitdog42 : 8/21/2014 9:25 pm : link
In comment 11818550 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Eli's been struggling since mid to late 2012.


This + the eye test... which shows a guy lacking confidence
Why did Gilbride's offense struggle in the redzone and short yardage  
NYG in NC : 8/21/2014 9:45 pm : link
even when we had good a good 0-line and good running backs? Sure...the offensive numbers were good during his tenure but it did have it's flaws.
gilbride  
SBlue46 : 8/21/2014 9:47 pm : link
Needs to get a job w cowboys
can't wait till  
SBlue46 : 8/21/2014 9:48 pm : link
His son gets fired and he starts talking trash about
mara.
Cant wait  
dep026 : 8/21/2014 9:51 pm : link
til Eric realizes you are Bossman and bans your ass again.
NYG in NC  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/21/2014 10:33 pm : link
I'll always remember Jacobs and Bradshaw fondly, but they weren't the kind of guys who kept teams up at night.

We were near dead last in rushing a couple of times with them here.

Same with the OL, the reason guys like McKenzie and O'Hara were let go is they declined fast. As did Snee and Diehl who we held onto longer than we should have.
Didn't Bradshaw & Jacobs  
vince : 8/22/2014 1:28 am : link
Both have 1,000 yard seasons together?

Or is your memory failing you.

Me thinks you've jumped on the "Sky is Falling" bandwagon.

Surprises and dismays me.
Pretty sure that was Jacobs and Ward  
Sonic Youth : 8/22/2014 2:39 am : link
Not Jacobs and Bradshaw
RE: NYG in NC  
Moondwg : 8/22/2014 7:20 am : link
In comment 11818656 Eric from BBI said:
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I'll always remember Jacobs and Bradshaw fondly, but they weren't the kind of guys who kept teams up at night.

We were near dead last in rushing a couple of times with them here.

Same with the OL, the reason guys like McKenzie and O'Hara were let go is they declined fast. As did Snee and Diehl who we held onto longer than we should have.


I think that they kept people up in 2008, when Jacobs averaged 5 yards a pop. Remember when we dropped 200 yards on the vaunted Ravens defense?
RE: I don't by this...  
Joey in VA : 8/22/2014 8:10 am : link
In comment 11818486 okiegiant said:
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Quote:


The bigger the game, the better he plays. We own every [offensive] record that they have there over the last decade, so you're always gambling when you change your approach. But I'm very confident in Eli.



Manning is washed up. A poster on BBI told me so... :)


You don't by it eh? You should be buying a vowel. Can anyone have an opinion without snarky worthless posts like this? What do you see out of Eli that convinces you he's the same player that he was in 2011? Those of us with the opinion that he's on the decline or close to the end have it due to.....watching, re-watching and looking closely to form an opinion. So sorry if that's too much work for you to "by" into.

Sideline snickering and jeering, my favorite part of BBI, where the peanut gallery chimes in just to chime in without offering anything of substance. I equate you and your ilk to the dingy crowds of medieval folks who would gather 'round and yell "Hang 'em!" regardless of facts, they just wanted a good hanging before picking stuff out of their teeth.
if Eli is really on the decline, the Giants are headed for a long  
Victor in CT : 8/22/2014 8:32 am : link
dark period. If this season is a disaster TC and Eli could very well BOTH be gone. And then it's truly start over time.

I don't think he is done. I think it's more a function that the OL has sucked for going on 3 years and he is gun shy. And now he is learning a completely different style of offense, one that you could argue doesn't compliment his skills. You all know I am a proponent of the old Perkins/Erhardt playbook, I think the talent they have is more suited to that than to this WC offense. Also, receivers aside from Cruz are middling. Randle may very well prove to be nothing more than a great practice player. If that happens they are in trouble. Beckham may never be 100% this year, you never know with hamstring injuries. Jernigan blows, no TEs and a bunch of FAs round out the WR core. Ugly. The OL is a work in progress. On the plus side, they have 2 solid RBs and a good fullback.

I am not expecting much, especially early.
Eli is not done  
bc4life : 8/22/2014 8:35 am : link
I think the reason he played so poorly last year was an MIA OLine (rushing pars per game - mid 80s), him trying to force things, and communication breakdowns between he and his receivers (something Coughlin recently confirmed was a huge problem).

I think the better question to ask where is he at regarding his career trajectory. Well, if they make the playoffs this year - he will be 34 years old. No one can deny - 34 is very old in NFL years. The point being - he's not going to get better, he may play better because of improved personnel and new system, but physically he is on the decline. To me, the critical question is what is the rate of that decline, which in turn, would allow us to know - when will he be done?

Personally, I think he won't be playing three years from now. Let's be realistic - Eli playing as an NFL QB at 37 or 38? Few would have expected that when he started his career, so few should expect that to happen now.

Staying in the old system with upgraded personnel would have given us a better idea of how much effective playing time he has left. Changing the system is another factor which will negatively impact his performance, at least for a time.

At any rate, if his replacement is not on the roster this very minute - Reese had better find him soon. Because while I think Eli MAY have two decent years of football left. His career is winding down and he probably is not the same player he was a few years ago.
I think this is an interesting comment:  
cnuke : 8/22/2014 9:05 am : link
"I still think somebody else has to emerge at receiver, whether it's Rueben Randle, [Corey] Washington or [Marcus] Harris."

It's interesting he doesn't mention JJ, but mentions both Washington and Harris, assuming he knows a more than us about what the Giants thoughts on the various receivers are.
RE: I think this is an interesting comment:  
Victor in CT : 8/22/2014 9:26 am : link
In comment 11818877 cnuke said:
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"I still think somebody else has to emerge at receiver, whether it's Rueben Randle, [Corey] Washington or [Marcus] Harris."

It's interesting he doesn't mention JJ, but mentions both Washington and Harris, assuming he knows a more than us about what the Giants thoughts on the various receivers are.


because he knows JJ sucks
RE: Eli is not done  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 9:31 am : link
In comment 11818831 bc4life said:
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I think the reason he played so poorly last year was an MIA OLine (rushing pars per game - mid 80s), him trying to force things, and communication breakdowns between he and his receivers (something Coughlin recently confirmed was a huge problem).

I think the better question to ask where is he at regarding his career trajectory. Well, if they make the playoffs this year - he will be 34 years old. No one can deny - 34 is very old in NFL years. The point being - he's not going to get better, he may play better because of improved personnel and new system, but physically he is on the decline. To me, the critical question is what is the rate of that decline, which in turn, would allow us to know - when will he be done?

Personally, I think he won't be playing three years from now. Let's be realistic - Eli playing as an NFL QB at 37 or 38? Few would have expected that when he started his career, so few should expect that to happen now.

Staying in the old system with upgraded personnel would have given us a better idea of how much effective playing time he has left. Changing the system is another factor which will negatively impact his performance, at least for a time.

At any rate, if his replacement is not on the roster this very minute - Reese had better find him soon. Because while I think Eli MAY have two decent years of football left. His career is winding down and he probably is not the same player he was a few years ago.


Brady and Peyton should play into their 40s..Eli has been healthy(ankle, that's about it), his arm is still strong and he is mentally strong and smart..Now if OL play continues as per '12 and '13, then yes, it's probable that 3 years max could be his swan song..Otherwise, I'd be surprised if he DOESN'T play into his 40s
I don't fear Eli is done, but I'm afraid he's shellshocked  
jcn56 : 8/22/2014 10:08 am : link
ala what happened to Kurt Warner after his time with the Rams (although maybe not to the same extent). He needed some time afterwards to regain his composure, which he certainly didn't get back until he got to Arizona (although he flashed a bit here).

I think the OL and a quicker offense could save that, just hoping the OL comes through with their part of the bargain.
You guys are reading too much into this interview  
Carthonfan : 8/22/2014 10:35 am : link
Gilbride has long standing personal and professional relationships with everyone in the Giants org, particularly Eli and Coughlin. He is not going to bad mouth or second guess them in the pre season.
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