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prdave73 : 8/22/2014 2:07 am
It just hit me but the Giants have the worst offensive line in the NFC East division imo.. It sucks really and Reese is mainly to blame for this. All the other Teams have focused on fortifying their Oline and each team has at least one stud or quality LT and more. Redskins Trent Williams, Eagles Jason Peters, and Cowboys Tyron Smith. Smh.. What do the Giants have at LT? All three teams have solid Olines, and imo that's where it all starts. It could be the main reason the Giants offense is struggling?? It's sad really because it not fair to Eli Manning and this new OC McAdoo. Eli doesn't have much time left for Reese to be experimenting and hoping this Oline he put together pans out.. Now I know it is what it is so I'm really hoping the Giants Oline can get it together and make something happen, but things don't look so good right now and the odds are against them..
Well said  
TMS : 8/22/2014 4:33 am : link
and very true. Coughlin's (pushed for drafting Snee) first order of business was to fortify the lines when he came here. We did it and won the two SBs. But dropped the ball since then in the draft and FA. Now we are paying the price.
Yup,  
prdave73 : 8/22/2014 5:08 am : link
and of course we as Giants fans don't want to hear this but unfortunately it is what it is, the Giants right now need to find a way to fix this quick before it becomes a huge issue and rides into the season..
IMHO this OL has the potential to be "average" - I agree  
SGMen : 8/22/2014 5:53 am : link
Average means middle of the pack, adequate but not dominant like say the Eagles or Cowboys OL's are right now.

For the line to be average the following must come true:

LT Will Beatty must have a bounce back year and play like he did in 2012. If he plays like he did in 2013 or worse is hurt and unproductive we are in for a long season.

LG Richburg (my predicted starter) is a rookie and he'll have growing pains but the kid is smart and he can move. He is on the small side so I'm sure he'll get bull rushed a bit but he'll learn.

OC Walton is coming back from some injuries but has some experience and has looked adequate so far. Lets hope he holds up and his experience helps out.

RG Schwartz was decent last year which is why we signed him and my gut tells me he'll be fine. He is big so I expect us to run right a lot.

RT Pugh had a decent rookie season and I expect an even better one this year as he has added muscle and experience now.

Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Schwartz-Pugh is my expected opening lineup for game 5 of the pre-season and they'll maybe play 2 series. They will start opening day and they are likely a better group than anything we saw last year.

If TE Donnell or Davis start they have to be an improvement in the blocking department compared to last year as well. So if this group can at least run and Eli doesn't turn it over we just have to hope our defense and solid special teams carry us early in the year to victories.
You could  
St. Jimmy : 8/22/2014 5:54 am : link
see problems in 2011 but they kept going with the veteran players so you get what you get this year 4 positions in flux. It is a story of what happens when you draft poorly.
why is Schwartz not playing RG?  
George from PA : 8/22/2014 6:03 am : link
Jerry.....was intended to start. Does he suck too?

Brown can not play left tackle...bust?

We have bodies....but they have been as bad as last year...not sure what they do
St. Jimmy...  
M.S. : 8/22/2014 6:52 am : link

...exactly right!

This mess has been a-comin' for several years now.

Many, many BBIers were a lot more distressed about it than Jerry Reese -- if we judge by the actions he has taken to address the O-line.

He has failed so far.

Not good.

Not pretty.

Watch them tonight  
RetroJint : 8/22/2014 6:53 am : link
The Jets are a dominant front seven with 2 All Pro defensive linemen. Rexasaurus doesn't like the Giants so he will use some exotic pressures. And like every other team in the lesgue they know the Giants presently don't have a deep threat at WR. The starters will work deepest into this game. Judge the O-Line in the context of this game. Jets have a couple of suspect corners so Giant wide receivers should be able to come free on some of their routes, which has been another problem.
would Kevin Boothe start on this team?  
aquidneck : 8/22/2014 6:59 am : link
Kevin Boothe is an interior OL. Both Giants Gs and their C are new this year. Theoretical improvements over Boothe. The tackles are the same as last year, so if you're gonna get improvement it has to come (or most of it has to come) from the interior.

Are they really better with this group?. If Boothe were here, would he start.

First round pick  
Tark10 : 8/22/2014 7:56 am : link
Many fans wanted an impact player with the 12th pick in the first round. Well, we supposedly got one with Beckham. Now we're worried about the OL. Meanwhile, Dallas has Zak Martin..Seems like us fans are just never happy.
Reese  
AcidTest : 8/22/2014 8:00 am : link
has neglected the OL, which was especially bad given that his $100M QB is aging, and immobile. There are many questions about Beatty, Schwartz, Walton, Richburg, Pugh, and of course Mosley, Brewer, Jerry, etc. Too many IMO not to justify a lot of criticism of Reese.

The good news is that there is a real possibility that the current OL problems are more a function of a lack of chemistry than of talent. Most of them have never played together, and they are also learning a new offense. The combination of the two might make for some early struggles and ugly plays, followed by slow, but steady, improvement as the season progresses.

The problem is that in the interim they have to protect Eli, who basically can't move, either forward, and now apparently not even laterally to dodge the rush. If he gets hit enough, and sufficiently frustrated, he may start throwing it up for grabs in a desperate desire to try and make plays. He's done it before. Many times, especially last season.

As far as the Jets are concerned, I expect Rex to treat this like a regular season game, at least for the first half. That means lots of pressure on our suspect OL from his excellent front four, not only to harass Eli, but also to protect his depleted secondary.

I'm sure the first team offense will come out with a lot of fire given their struggles so far, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have a lot of success. The question is whether the OL can protect Eli long enough for him and the WRs to take advantage of the secondary of the Jets.
Booths isn't really very good  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/22/2014 8:03 am : link
Solid or average. Him and Schwartz are probably a wash. Richberg is a rookie so he may be great but on a line in flux he's going to probably struggle at times if he starts.

The bigger problem is LT. Beatty like many feared looks like he may not be ready physically. And even if he is what do we have there? He's also 30. Martin over OBjr and Richberg Should have been Reese's picks. Walton is coming back after a long layoff. Again. Who knows

Reese has fucked up this OL. Even if it's average is it a long term group. Doubtful. This line needs a lot more but you can't point out how badly Reese does with his drafts and his position group without silly excuses.

He ignores the OL for years compared to the DL, WR, and DBs. Problem is many of his high picks are gone.

If we are worried think what Cougin must be feeling.
hope eli  
SBlue46 : 8/22/2014 8:07 am : link
Still standing after game
nassib  
SBlue46 : 8/22/2014 8:08 am : link
Will light up 2nd half
wonder  
SBlue46 : 8/22/2014 8:10 am : link
What mac thinks about oline coach...Flaherty
Except for WR and DL, Reese will not draft a player with a prime pick  
SB : 8/22/2014 8:31 am : link
...(i.e. in rounds 1-3) unless the position is in total crisis. Well over half of our prime picks were used on receivers or DL. That is why we are dangerously thin at nearly every other position.
It is going to take time to turn this OL into a cohesive unit.  
Victor in CT : 8/22/2014 8:55 am : link
They are starting from scratch outside of Pugh. Even if Beatty is healthy, is he really that good? Schwartz, Richburg and Walton (if healthy) might be good players, but they have only had 1 camp together. Brown sucks, Jerry probably does too, Brewer is Dewey Oxberger, Moseley only looks good in comparison to Brewer, Brown and Jerry.

To repeat my 2 cents yet again, I still think it was a major mistake to pass on Martin. If JR felt it too high to take a G (which I think is ridiculous if the player is that good)then he should have tried to swing a trade with someone hot for Beckham (was anyone?) and maybe ADD an extra pick for a change.
Absolutely agree prdave73  
nicky43 : 8/22/2014 8:56 am : link
Reece has taken too many gambles with this line and now our oline clearly sucks. And you are right that it's not fair to Eli, or McAdoo, or to TC, or any of the players on the team.

As a result of Reece's blunder this year, we will not be able to judge McAdoo's new offensive so no matter how bad it may look, we can't blame anyone but Reece.

JR needs to do something fast to upgrade not just one but at least 2 positions on the line if we are to have any chance this year. But to do that, it would show he made a mistake and I don't think he's man enough to admit that. So he'll force TC and Eli to go through the season much like what we saw last year and it won't be pretty.

Man up JR. Everybody makes mistakes even you. The fans will forgive you if you can just identify the error and do something good to fix it. Make a trade. Surely we have enough good depth at a few positions to trade one of our valued players so we can have a halfway decent oline.

I know, we hate to lose a valued player but we are in serious trouble and desperate times call for desperate actions. I'd gladly sacrifice our first round pick or a top valued player for a quality upgrade anywhere on our line!

Because if not.....we surely will see a repeat of 2013 and the fans will be robbed from seeing what a TC and Eli can do in a new offensive scheme.
Nicky  
aquidneck : 8/22/2014 9:07 am : link
We added 4 vets and a 2nd round draft choice to the OL this past offseason. Dollars to donuts we're done.

Gonna have to sink or swim with this crew, I think.

If the team shits the bed this year, Reese, TC, McAdoo, etc. are all gone. The new administration will want all their draft assets in place.

And who would we trade with? Don't think teams are lining up to get rid of quality OL two weeks before the start of the regular season.

It's the NFL. Everybody has a chance at the playoffs going in.

You do realize the reason we don't have some of those  
barens : 8/22/2014 9:12 am : link
offensive linemen you mentioned is because they haven't been drafting high year in and year out. It's not Jerry Reese' drafting, it's because the better teams in the NFL don't get a crack at the great offensive linemen, it's just the way it is sometimes.
Depth aside  
UberAlias : 8/22/2014 9:12 am : link
Our WRs and TEs may be worse than our OLine.
Aquidneck....  
nicky43 : 8/22/2014 9:18 am : link
I hope you are wrong because what we have is far from good enough to give Eli a fighting chance. JR clearly got thrown off his game in the draft. Why did he take a Center when he brought in a Vet Center if FA? Because he was worried that Walton wouldn't be good enough is the only answer. You can assume he did it to nail down the Center position long term when we needed so many immediate upgrades on the line.

Jerry and Brown are two other vets he brought in in FA and they suck. Schwartz is the only upgrade he provided with two potential Center upgrades. Clearly JR blew it.

You may be right about no one will want to give up a quality OL guy for us but that is why I'm saying we need to sacrifice a first round pick or a top player we have. It's the only move JR can make and I'll repeat that I doubt JR is man enough to do it.

By the way, this is the first year I have ever been posting in a negative light. I'm ALWAYS very optimistic and I don't mind losing as much many here at BBI. But I was excited to see what a new offense can do and our oline is clearly not good enough to give any offense a chance. AND JR clearly knew how bad the oline was coming into this season.
RE: You do realize the reason we don't have some of those  
Victor in CT : 8/22/2014 9:19 am : link
In comment 11818891 barens said:
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offensive linemen you mentioned is because they haven't been drafting high year in and year out. It's not Jerry Reese' drafting, it's because the better teams in the NFL don't get a crack at the great offensive linemen, it's just the way it is sometimes.


I have to disagree. Reese has not made OL a priority in the draft or FA until he was forced to. And when he had a chance with a high pick this year he passed on Martin to take Beckham.
Yes, so far it has been an offensive line  
jeff57 : 8/22/2014 9:32 am : link
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Boone is still available via trade  
JFIB : 8/22/2014 9:33 am : link
Can anyone think of any other way to add much needed talent to this seasons offensive line? JR needs to get this done. He's a powerful guard and an experienced tackle in case Willy B. goes down. There is no other option. I pray JR is just waiting to see what happens tonight and then gets it done.
I agree with this line can  
St. Jimmy : 8/22/2014 9:36 am : link
get better as the season goes on, but they really screwed themselves by penciling Snee in as the starter at right guard. They signed a right guard which they moved to left guard. Why should the guy change positions if you are signing him as a free agent? It complicates things. Plus does anyone doubt, that if Snee doesn't retire, he's starting game one for this team no matter how he looks in preseason? Because of this decision, we are shuffling the line positions going into game 3 to see if we can get something to gel. Not a good position to be in with Eli's lack of mobility. Maybe in week 6 this will come together.
we havent really neglected the O-line  
hitdog42 : 8/22/2014 9:44 am : link
the choices just havent panned out.

Pugh was a first rounder... richburg a 2nd rounder... beatty a 2nd rounder...
We signed Baas... health fail
we just signed one of the top OG on the market... lets see how that goes but you hope to get a top tier guy...
We have maybe neglected 1 extra OL signing/draftee... which isnt much.

the issue is of the guys we have selected or taken, none have proven to be a stud. lets hope that changes.

and yes i agree our OL is the worst in the division... its just more a function of players chosen to be giants not being as good as we thought/hoped... not as much fully neglecting the posiition.

Blind faith in vets didnt help either.
RE: RE: You do realize the reason we don't have some of those  
barens : 8/22/2014 9:45 am : link
In comment 11818898 Victor in CT said:
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offensive linemen you mentioned is because they haven't been drafting high year in and year out. It's not Jerry Reese' drafting, it's because the better teams in the NFL don't get a crack at the great offensive linemen, it's just the way it is sometimes.



I have to disagree. Reese has not made OL a priority in the draft or FA until he was forced to. And when he had a chance with a high pick this year he passed on Martin to take Beckham.


Victor, even if we did draft Martin, people are talking about Tyron Smith, Trent Williams and Jason Peters. Martin would have been the 4th offensive tackle taken, and who knows how much higher they had Beckum rated.

Either way, last year, they took an offensive tackle in round 1, and this year an interior OL in round 2, so I'd say they are making a concerted effort to improve the offensive line.
This oline has some skill.......  
Simms11 : 8/22/2014 9:58 am : link
they need to keep working as a unit and continue to build chemistry. It may take a little while. I know fans can't be patient, but this takes time and we may be in for more ugliness before it gets better. The Giants are still seeing which combination of players, and at which position, they have the best chance for success. With that said, I would also like to see Schwartz at RG, Richburg at LG and Mosely back to being a reserve. To me the best combo ( left to right) is Beatty, Richburg, Walton, Schwartz and Pugh. I'm surprised that they haven't tried that yet, but maybe it's coming?!

At any rate, this was not going to be a 1 year fix IMO anyway. Hopefully we can solidify at least 80% of the line this year and continue to add quality players next year.

The quick/short drop passing should help the line and the O this year., as well.
In defense of Reese ….  
Manny in CA : 8/22/2014 10:14 am : link
Whether you favor the Best-Player-Available or Fill-An-Overwhelming-Need philosophies, it was hard for him to pass on Beckham.

- We saw what defenses did to us last year, when Hakeem Nicks decided to play "no-show"; they double and tripled teamed Victor Cruz. (Not to mention last year's FA mistake - Brandon Myers, who could not block and was never a Jimmy Graham type pass catching threat) -

So, he goes out and drafts a top shelf type lineman (Richburg) and "shot-guns it", picking up for FAs- Brown, Jerry, Schwartz, and Walton, hoping that at least two of these five are good enough to start. ( John Mara just about pulled his hair out, witnessing the disaster that was the O-line last year, and he might succeed with this year's version).

But, as an arm-chair GM, I would have done things a bit different - traded down and picked up Kelvin Benjamin and two #2s; AND held on to Boothe.


Tonight is an important marker for the OL  
JonC : 8/22/2014 10:19 am : link
Let's see if the synergy is improved after the recent shuffle, as it is clear they're concerned with the lack of performance from the unit. Schwartz is struggling without a solid LT next to him, which is a concern given he was put at LG to help Beatty.

I don't have great confidence in Beatty given Pugh being given LT reps, and Beatty's mental makeup has always been a part of his woes. If Pugh is solid at LT, he likely stays there and Beatty's cut next Winter to get rid of the cost and cap hit.

This is also an opening for Richburg to win an OG gig, he's clearly pushing Mosley.

as I said  
aquidneck : 8/22/2014 10:22 am : link
And said in another thread, I think they'll stand pat, but I'd like to see them shorten their bench a little by only keeping 8 of these guys. Two of Brewer, Brown, Jerry and Reynolds must go, hopefully three if Giants think they can trust Gaines as a player.

Use the paractice squad to evaluate and develop young guys with potential upside. Now with 10 available it should be easy to keep two, maybe three with new talent rotating in.

And then, depending on how things are going, you get to make a decision on Herman in October.
The only way to know, the only way,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 10:25 am : link
is time. It needs time..You don't suddenly become in sync after a few practices and pre-season games..Could take 4 or 5 regular season games to get the calls and timing down imv..Perhaps we'll know by then..But informed judgements at this point in time are always welcome..
RE: Tonight is an important marker for the OL  
barens : 8/22/2014 10:28 am : link
In comment 11818998 JonC said:
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Let's see if the synergy is improved after the recent shuffle, as it is clear they're concerned with the lack of performance from the unit. Schwartz is struggling without a solid LT next to him, which is a concern given he was put at LG to help Beatty.

I don't have great confidence in Beatty given Pugh being given LT reps, and Beatty's mental makeup has always been a part of his woes. If Pugh is solid at LT, he likely stays there and Beatty's cut next Winter to get rid of the cost and cap hit.



This is also an opening for Richburg to win an OG gig, he's clearly pushing Mosley.


I wouldn't think tonight is going to be the best barometer for our offensive line considering the Jets front 7 is most likely one of the best in the NFL. I can almost garantee that the running game will look bad, but I just hope they could give Eli enough time, because their secondary is awful at the moment.
RE: RE: Tonight is an important marker for the OL  
JonC : 8/22/2014 10:30 am : link
In comment 11819010 barens said:
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Let's see if the synergy is improved after the recent shuffle, as it is clear they're concerned with the lack of performance from the unit. Schwartz is struggling without a solid LT next to him, which is a concern given he was put at LG to help Beatty.

I don't have great confidence in Beatty given Pugh being given LT reps, and Beatty's mental makeup has always been a part of his woes. If Pugh is solid at LT, he likely stays there and Beatty's cut next Winter to get rid of the cost and cap hit.



This is also an opening for Richburg to win an OG gig, he's clearly pushing Mosley.




I wouldn't think tonight is going to be the best barometer for our offensive line considering the Jets front 7 is most likely one of the best in the NFL. I can almost garantee that the running game will look bad, but I just hope they could give Eli enough time, because their secondary is awful at the moment.


To this point the OL has shown virtually zero, so when I say marker I mean show some life, some synergy, some positives that could portend the arrow might be pointing up.
Boothe's value,  
Doomster : 8/22/2014 10:35 am : link
was his versatility.....someone in the line gets hurt, he could sub immediately into the game without missing a beat.....the guys playing to the left and right of him, were getting payed way more than he was, and in some cases not playing at his level....Reese nickel and dimed Booth....Boothe should have been a reserve, a good one......but they forced him to start and payed him nothing....glad he got more money with the Raiders....

With the moves he made in the off season to fix this line, if it doesn't pan out, how much longer can he be the GM? Especially if the Giants miss the playoffs, 5 out of the last 6 years? When was the last time the Giants had a losing record two years in a row? 10 years ago? Could be sweeping changes.....but I doubt it....this organization tends to maintain the status quo......they sometimes need a real slap to get on track again.....
barens,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 10:36 am : link
the antidote to a poor secondary is a DL like the Jets have
JonC  
aquidneck : 8/22/2014 10:44 am : link
JonC said:
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I don't have great confidence in Beatty given Pugh being given LT reps, and Beatty's mental makeup has always been a part of his woes. If Pugh is solid at LT, he likely stays there and Beatty's cut next Winter to get rid of the cost and cap hit.


I think this is too pessimistic.

Pugh taking snaps at LT has more to do with both Brewer and Brown being injured and out for this game (pretty sure that's the case, but could be wrong). The plan with Beatty is to give him 30 snaps, I think.

Beatty is being managed to get him ready to start game one. The Giants are counting on him, I think. Hopeful the line will look better as the guys get used to playing together. Also hopeful (and not unreasonable to think) that one of Richburg, Mosely and Jerry emerges.




RE: Tonight is an important marker for the OL  
Reb8thVA : 8/22/2014 10:45 am : link
In comment 11818998 JonC said:
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Let's see if the synergy is improved after the recent shuffle, as it is clear they're concerned with the lack of performance from the unit. Schwartz is struggling without a solid LT next to him, which is a concern given he was put at LG to help Beatty.

I don't have great confidence in Beatty given Pugh being given LT reps, and Beatty's mental makeup has always been a part of his woes. If Pugh is solid at LT, he likely stays there and Beatty's cut next Winter to get rid of the cost and cap hit.

This is also an opening for Richburg to win an OG gig, he's clearly pushing Mosley.


Should have cut bait with Beatty this year. When Lewan was in range I kept hoping to see the Giants trade up for him. When the Titans took Lewan I hoped Martin was the pick. We got ODB instead who may turn out to be exceptional but it won't matter if the line cannot protect Eli.
Look at some of the Cowboys recent first round picks.....  
Reb8thVA : 8/22/2014 10:47 am : link
LT- Tyron Smith
OC- Travis Frederick (ok perhaps a reach but still a solid player)
OG/OT Zack Martin

The Cowboys OL should become a strength in the next few years
Instead of cutting bait....  
Reb8thVA : 8/22/2014 10:49 am : link
I mean they should have drafted his replacement and cut him next year when its more favorable
RE: RE: Tonight is an important marker for the OL  
JonC : 8/22/2014 10:50 am : link
In comment 11819050 Reb8thVA said:
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In comment 11818998 JonC said:


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Let's see if the synergy is improved after the recent shuffle, as it is clear they're concerned with the lack of performance from the unit. Schwartz is struggling without a solid LT next to him, which is a concern given he was put at LG to help Beatty.

I don't have great confidence in Beatty given Pugh being given LT reps, and Beatty's mental makeup has always been a part of his woes. If Pugh is solid at LT, he likely stays there and Beatty's cut next Winter to get rid of the cost and cap hit.

This is also an opening for Richburg to win an OG gig, he's clearly pushing Mosley.




Should have cut bait with Beatty this year. When Lewan was in range I kept hoping to see the Giants trade up for him. When the Titans took Lewan I hoped Martin was the pick. We got ODB instead who may turn out to be exceptional but it won't matter if the line cannot protect Eli.


I also wanted one of those two OL but knew they loved ODB, and Reese tends to put a high premium on WRs.

aquid, I'd say your position is part of the overall thought process, but I do know Beatty's not inspiring a ton of confidence either. As I said Richburg is making a push at OG, his play and the shuffle are part of the decision mesh.
Beatty's contract makes it imperative he is a solid performer. If Pugh makes an impact at LT, the calculus begins to change.

Cowboys  
George : 8/22/2014 10:53 am : link
It's like someone in the Dallas organization suddenly stopped dropping acid on draft day and did something smart for a change.

BTW, I think our OL will be better than Washington's this year (RG III won't last past October 31) and won't be as horrible as everyone on BBI fears. They'll improve week by week, barring catastrophic injury.

I'm more concerned about WR and TE than OL, frankly.
the issue  
BigBlueCane : 8/22/2014 11:12 am : link
isn't Reese drafting Beckham.

It's him reaching for Wilson, Holsey and others in the preceding years.
RE: the issue  
barens : 8/22/2014 11:46 am : link
In comment 11819111 BigBlueCane said:
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isn't Reese drafting Beckham.

It's him reaching for Wilson, Holsey and others in the preceding years.


I don't know anyone at the time who would have called those players reaches, especially when you are picking last in each round. Plus, Wilson was just bad luck, plain and simple.

Offensive Line  
BigBlueinChicago : 8/22/2014 12:00 pm : link
is the biggest difference currently between the Giants and the Eagles, which is why you have to favor Philadelphia significantly until otherwise proven.

At the moment, the Giants do not have 5 starting offensive linemen as much as they are "seeking" 5 starting offensive linemen who can start.


We've spent roughly 1/3...  
Ryan : 8/22/2014 12:02 pm : link
..of our picks in rounds 1-3 over the last 8 years on WRs - right now the only sure thing we have at the position is a guy we didn't draft. Those are the picks that need to pan out in order to maintain a strong core.

It's not that we've missed a ton in the past as Smith, Manningham and Nicks were all home runs that fizzled because of injury. Right now we're essentially carrying the draft picks used to replace all of them (Beckham, Randle, Jernigan) and 2 of the 3 look like they could be misses and Beckham hasn't gotten on the field yet. The only time since the '07 season where we really had some continuity was '11 where Nicks and Mario had become acclimated and Cruz hit the ground running and provided a huge spark.

Injuries combined with positional values within our system drove a huge consumption of resources at one position and our returns currently look like shit. Coupled with the choice to risk the next wave of the offensive line to mid-round cluster drafting until the unit reached a breaking point.....the result is nearly the entire offensive roster was fucked up.

As of right now there just no way to tell what kind of shape we're in given the implementation of a new system.
Plenty of people loathed the Wilson pick when it happened.  
Riggies : 8/22/2014 12:04 pm : link
You can't fault the team for his injuries, but first round running backs generally isn't smart in this era, outside of a very few exceptions.
The good news about our O-line is that at least  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 12:11 pm : link
the other three NFC East teams don't, at the moment, have elite pass rushers on their teams.

The Redskins have a few guys that can do a pretty good job (Orakpo, Kerrigan and Hatcher if he is healthy), but both Eagles and Cowboys don't really have anybody to fear.

Poof  
OC : 8/22/2014 1:27 pm : link
Funny how all the "In Reese We Trust" folks went MIA.
Acid Test  
MotownGIANTS : 8/22/2014 1:33 pm : link
raised a very good point...lack of chemistry vs lack of talent...

We applaud Reese and Co on the cap situation but rake him over the coals for OL neglect (there is some merit to the nay-sayers), however if Acid is correct as many of us hope then really the neglect was there but addressed in an economical fashion. There are only so many $$, FA and picks to go around...we have spent many on WRs ... had those been OLs we'd be saying Eli needs weapons....

I think there is no way to please everyone all the time or answer and fill all holes immediately.
^Giants aren't exactly brimming with weapons right now either.  
Riggies : 8/22/2014 1:49 pm : link
They've got probably the worst TE group in the NFL, a decent enough but not all-world RB duo, and WRs may be bottom third of the league if things don't fall right.

The offensive talent in general on this team right now is somewhat scary and not in a good way.
Ryan  
JonC : 8/22/2014 1:58 pm : link
Solid, accurate post.
RE: You do realize the reason we don't have some of those  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/22/2014 2:53 pm : link
In comment 11818891 barens said:
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offensive linemen you mentioned is because they haven't been drafting high year in and year out. It's not Jerry Reese' drafting, it's because the better teams in the NFL don't get a crack at the great offensive linemen, it's just the way it is sometimes.


Bullshit. Reese could have grabbed Max Unger instead of Sintim years ago. Unger is a great center who helped Seatlle win the Superbowl. Reese chose to sign Bass. Why couldn't he have drafted more OL instead of guys like Travis Beckum, Barden, Jernigan and Marcin Austin. Bit don't let facts get in the way that he doesn't like to draft OL high until the OL fell apart.

He drafted Randell high too. He didn't invest high picks early on his GM tenure on that unit and many of his high picks aren't on the team or look like middle of the road players at best.

He messed up and it's biting the team in the ass
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BigBlueCane : 8/22/2014 7:09 pm : link
I said I hated the Wilson pick when it happened and was chastised for it.

I said Randle would be the best player of him and Wilson and sadly that is also true.

Reese learned from Accorsi and he learned the wrong lessons. He thinks he can rely on his OL coach to turn journeymen free agents into quality starters (just as McNally did). All the while, he spends premium draft picks on 'sexy' positions like CB's (which have been rendered useless because of the league rules on pass interference), WR's and guys who run REALLY fast.

Reese is to blame for the majority of the team's current woes. IMO Reese and Ross should be held accountable for the team's struggles this year.

Much more then Coughlin.
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