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I have never seen such negativity

PhilD : 8/22/2014 10:32 am
on BBI. I admit that the Giants have not done very well in the preseason games. I feel that the Giants will make adjustments and improvements over the next 2 weeks. They will be respectable this season. They are not as bad as they look.


Phil, it's every year, save for perhaps 2008 and 2012  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 10:34 am : link
pre-season..I just go with it at this point
I agree  
wangchung : 8/22/2014 10:37 am : link
So much negativity this year. We had a pretty big offseason and I have no doubt it will take time for this team to find itself. But we've got some serious talent!
I've said it before, I'll say it again...  
x meadowlander : 8/22/2014 10:38 am : link
...if you can't be optimistic during preseason, why bother? The Coughlin Giants have been streaky ever since he arrived. You know what? This season will have hot streaks and cold streaks, just like every other season we've had over the last decade.

Learn to enjoy the good. We are among the few privileged teams to be in contention virtually all of the last 10 years, for at least a chunk of the season.

And this one will be no different.

I predict playoffs.
It seems par for the course...  
okiegiant : 8/22/2014 10:38 am : link
and I honestly think it's just a defense mechanism for some posters.

I will say it bothers me at times(just every now and again)but as I mentioned in another thread...you have to admit it can be entertaining as well.

The problem is it sometimes gets in the way of a good discussion, but then again, so can the over the top optimism.
You would think every time our QB dropped back  
Headhunter : 8/22/2014 10:38 am : link
he was sacked or hit, our running backs got stuffed behind the LOS every carry. The WR's & TE's never were open. The Dline hasn't gotten within 5 yards of the opposing QB, our DB's can only hold grab but cannot cover. But Weatherford is a hell of a punter
wang  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2014 10:39 am : link
Serious talent? On offense? I don't agree with that statement at all.

As for negativity, I assume Phil hasn't been around here very long. ;)

Years where things were very dark on BBI...1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2013.
RE: It seems par for the course...  
UConn4523 : 8/22/2014 10:40 am : link
In comment 11819032 okiegiant said:
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and I honestly think it's just a defense mechanism for some posters.

I will say it bothers me at times(just every now and again)but as I mentioned in another thread...you have to admit it can be entertaining as well.

The problem is it sometimes gets in the way of a good discussion, but then again, so can the over the top optimism.


100% defense mechanism. Nothing wrong with being critical, but some posters are unbearable with the doom and gloom. It's like people learned nothing from our 2 SB runs. Anything can happen.
Tough not be be  
Marty866b : 8/22/2014 10:41 am : link
a bit negative. Our quarterback has led the league in interceptions the last two of three years and has looked awful in camp and in games. Let's just hope it doesn't continue.
I think the negativity is perfectly understandable.  
Klaatu : 8/22/2014 10:43 am : link
As "Ike" said in The Longest Day, "I don't like it, but there it is."
You haven't seen anything yet.....  
Simms11 : 8/22/2014 10:44 am : link
just wait till halftime tonight! People will probably ready to jump off bridges. JETS have very formidable Dline and our oline is still work in progress. Could be ugly!
It's a combination of  
George : 8/22/2014 10:44 am : link
the nasty hangover from last season's binge and purge experience, coupled with total uncertainty caused by a new OC and a batch of free agents and draft picks most of us know little about.

In other words, this team is, on one hand, a total mystery and, on the other, the group that gave us 0-6 and 7-9 in 2013.

Hence the bitchiness.

I can't say I'm surprised.

The team is coming off the worst season in the TC era outside  
UberAlias : 8/22/2014 10:45 am : link
of the first.

The offense was horrid last season and between camp and preseason there have been few signs of things improving.
I believe the building blocks for greatness are still in place  
GiantSteps : 8/22/2014 10:46 am : link
There's a lot of talent on this team, but I think this particular preseason has been disheartening because of the whole "snakebitten" phenomenon hitting hard and early. One recent first round pick gone for good. Another one sidelined indefinitely. Other guys who can't seem to get/stay on the field, and the o-line has me feeling only a little less skittish than it seems to have Eli feeling. As Eli goes, so this team goes.

If Eli and some of our other key starters can make it to the end of the season healthy, then I think we've got the pieces in place to make some real progress this year, and maybe even vie for some kind of real contention in the near future (if not this year, then certainly next year, barring significant injuries).

My only real questions these days are about Reese. I think everything else could fall into place with time and a little good luck.
Negativity is what we do.  
BeerFridge : 8/22/2014 10:47 am : link
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It's not negativity  
Dan in WNY : 8/22/2014 10:48 am : link
When it's simply telling it like it is.

Right now, and I emphasize NOW, this team stinks. The QB is skittish, the OL can't block, the WRs are average at best and the #1 draft pick can't get on the field. There's no TE. The LBs are average and the DL looks like it will be below average especially if JPP can't return to form.

I see very little to be excited about.
Score will not be important tonight....  
Simms11 : 8/22/2014 10:48 am : link
progress on O will be very important tonight. Eli getting into some rhythm, running game getting 4 yds per carry, 1st downs, moving the chains, etc.

If we see progress on O, I think you'll see some positive posts, if not, could be worse then what you've seen so far.
Negativity is bred  
Doomster : 8/22/2014 10:50 am : link
by on field play.....do you expect everyone to be happy with the way this offense has performed? When Reese made the off season moves he did, it looked good on paper....it hasn't translated onto the field thus far.....Didn't we ignore last preseason's play of this OL saying it will get better once the season starts? How did that work out?

Yes, the OL could get better.....it may take time...it may take the whole season.....but you can't deny that the OL has not been a top priority of the front office for years, just like the linebacker and TE positions......they have got away with guys like Boss and Ballard stepping up, and having their OL grow old without solid replacements...instead they have hoped that mid to late round picks would fix the OL, and it has failed.....the OL is the base of the offense, without it, there are no holes, no matter who is carrying the ball.....there is no time to pass, no matter who the qb or receivers are.....it's been ignored for too long, and Reese is counting on a rookie, a guard playing out of position, and other teams castoffs to fix the problem.....the odds are not in his favor thus far....

And if one of these starters goes down, who is the replacement? This line is average at best, and there are no backups, if needed.....After the first preseason game, seeing Eli throw to his backs, and getting rid of the ball quickly, gave hope for this line, as bad as it is....what happened after that first game?
C'mon!  
River Mike : 8/22/2014 10:53 am : link
We were a horror show last season and so far this pre-season the starters have been horrible ... and you don't understand why there is negativity?! I, for one am not predicting doom for the regular season. I think we've taken steps in the right direction and eventually it will show, and I will continue to root for them no matter what. But you can't understand the negativity? Seriously?
My peak of irrational optimism was September 1973.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/22/2014 10:55 am : link
After a solid 8-6 finish in 1972, the Giants went 6-0 in exhibition games, and opened the regular season with a solid win over Houston. They won one game the rest of the year.

My peaks of irrational pessimism came at various points in the 2007 and 2011 seasons, when I firmly concluded that the Giants were done and vowed not to waste any more Sundays watching them.

It's a long season, and it should be a pretty interesting one. Let's try to enjoy the ride.

The thing that lacks here more than anything else is perspective.  
BLUATHRT : 8/22/2014 11:00 am : link
It's understanding where things are at a given point and taking it for that, and that alone. People want to take one negative performance and put an eternal label on a player or the team. Right now, you have no idea wht the product will look like week 1 or 5 or 17. So as opposed to calling for Reese and Ross to be fired, or calling Eli shit, or shit in this system, or the O-line crap...how about we see the actual product on the field when the games matter? If at the end of the year, this team, once given an opportunity to Gel with new players and a new offensive system is still horrible...then take out the axe and hankies.
I think they just don't want to tip their hand for  
#10* : 8/22/2014 11:03 am : link
regular season. Soon as season starts Victor will be targeted early and often.
I'm not usually pessimistic about the team,  
yatqb : 8/22/2014 11:05 am : link
but as of now I don't see an OL that's fixed, and I think it will take a while into the season before Eli and the receivers catch on to the new schemes. I'm also not certain that OBJ and Randle together make up for what a healthy Nicks brought to this team, although that remains to be seen. Given all that I don't see even a .500 year. Hope I'm wrong, because it hurts when we lose.
The reasons for negativity are abundant  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2014 11:07 am : link
the team had weaknesses that were were not addressed.

the offensive failure started with the o-line. How was that addressed? By bringing in a average RG and asking him to play LG. Seriously, does anyone really believe Schwartz at LG is a noticeable upgrade over Boothe?

he's not.

A center who hasn't played a meaningful snap in two seasons. a backup for the ailing and under-performing LT who is among he worst at his trade.

The RG retired on the eve of camp, and maybe that's a blessing in disguise, but instead of moving Schwartz to his natural position they're toying with an unproven rookie next to the only solid member of the line, a 2nd year RT who has looked shaky this PS (and I'm fine with him looking shaky in the PS).

the rest of the offensive additions which I like (ODB, Jennings, Williams) are irrelevant if the line sucks.

And Tight end was almost entirely ignored.

On defense the Giants lost the heart and soul of the team in Tuck and sack leader, as well as linval Joseph, they might have replaced them adequately, maybe not. remains to be seen.

the one are I thought was majorly improved was the secondary, but that was lessened a little with the Hill situation and Taylor injury (though admittedly Taylor was a "hope he develops" player not a sure thing.

This team is staring 4 - 12 in the face if the o-line isn't straightened out.

and if the o-line plays ok could be 8 - 8.

I hope for better but my sense is this team will live and die with the o-line. I hope they improve and prove me to be wrong, but i don't see it happening in one season.
Telling it like it is??????  
Mike L. : 8/22/2014 11:08 am : link
Were Eric and other telling us like it is after the Washington game in week 15 2007 and Shockey broke his leg??? How about 2 years ago after having Washinton just destroy us a home to go to 7-7 with the mighty Jets out fro blood??? The same people telling us there's little talent on the team now, 2 pre season games in, were the same telling us those teams simply were talented enough to make a run. Both times they were proven wrong. Other times the predictions of crapiness have proven right. The O-Line has talent, Beatty 2nd rounder - proven performer until last year, Swartz prover performer on a playoff team last year, Walton 3rd rounder, proven performer until unjury - looks healthy now, Pugh, talented 1st rounder coming off decent rookie campaign, RG is somewhat uncertain, but Richberg certainly looks like an option, and DD was bad there last year. I predict whoever is there this year performs better. Who predicted it wouldn't take time for the new OL to jell???
RE: I think they just don't want to tip their hand for  
River Mike : 8/22/2014 11:08 am : link
In comment 11819087 #10* said:
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regular season. Soon as season starts Victor will be targeted early and often.


Yeh, that's it ... don't want to tip their hand. Why didn't I think of that. And TC with the old disappointed and upset act, crafty devil!
RE: RE: I think they just don't want to tip their hand for  
Gman11 : 8/22/2014 11:10 am : link
In comment 11819099 River Mike said:
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In comment 11819087 #10* said:


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regular season. Soon as season starts Victor will be targeted early and often.



Yeh, that's it ... don't want to tip their hand. Why didn't I think of that. And TC with the old disappointed and upset act, crafty devil!


I think that is similar to the Joe Gibbs Master Plan the Redskins came up with a few years ago.
This place gets increasingly negative  
beatrixkiddo : 8/22/2014 11:13 am : link
when the season starts to roll out.

The offseason everyone is optimistic, and looking forward to the season. Then the Season comes near, and the team isn't blowing out everyone in the league so you get massive shares of pessimism. I avoid this place after a loss, even before last year when the team wasn't horrible, a loss is the end of the world to some people.

I think this season will be an improvement from last, and I like the more realistic posters who can see it with that perspective. We don't really know what this team is capable of, lets face it there are a TON of new faces, this is really a new team, especially with a new offense being implemented.

Things I will look forward too: Player development, OL improvement, Hopefully building on our defensive unit from last year, more ball control and less turnovers. I'd like to see some of these 1st, and 2nd year players really start to make an impact this season. I think the past 2 drafts are key to this franchise having success in the long run.
Bad Drafts, Injuries, Eli's performance, OL woes  
SGMen : 8/22/2014 11:13 am : link
Take your pick but there is a lot to be worried about. I have said this a number of times but the only way the Giants are going to win games early in the year (say first 7 games, pre-bye week) is if they do the following:
1. Don't turn it over. Win the turnover battle.
2. Run the ball. It will help Eli to at least get a short passing game going.
3. Special Teams. I think our unit has potential to be one of the better ones overall.
4. Defense. I think this unit is the NFC East's best. But I am assuming JPP returns to form and the back seven perform up to expectations. Losing Cooper Taylor hurts cause I think he'd have played a lot.

So if Eli is at least "efficient" and isn't forcing things we could win some close games. I mean AZ lost their best DL in Dockett so that helps us. Detroit is likely too good for us for opening day in their house. We'll see how it goes.
They needed OT Taylor Lewan  
Giants2012 : 8/22/2014 11:16 am : link
Yes, the Giants could have used a receiver but needed OL. They needed Lewan in round 1 and Richburg in round 2. That would have solidified this mess of an OL. The Giants gambled by staying put on draft day and lost as Tennessee took the OT the Giants needed

Lewan - Schwartz - Walton - Richburg - Pugh


Beatty could have been the extra TE and cut next offseason.

That would have solidified the OL. Now it's a mess and one injury away from another disaster.
RE: This place gets increasingly negative  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2014 11:17 am : link
In comment 11819114 beatrixkiddo said:
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when the season starts to roll out.

The offseason everyone is optimistic, and looking forward to the season. Then the Season comes near, and the team isn't blowing out everyone in the league so you get massive shares of pessimism. I avoid this place after a loss, even before last year when the team wasn't horrible, a loss is the end of the world to some people.

I think this season will be an improvement from last, and I like the more realistic posters who can see it with that perspective. We don't really know what this team is capable of, lets face it there are a TON of new faces, this is really a new team, especially with a new offense being implemented.

Things I will look forward too: Player development, OL improvement, Hopefully building on our defensive unit from last year, more ball control and less turnovers. I'd like to see some of these 1st, and 2nd year players really start to make an impact this season. I think the past 2 drafts are key to this franchise having success in the long run.



Last year did not seem overly pessimistic IMO and the team started 0 - 6. Record-wise I don't think the Giants duplicate that, but I think the team could be worse.
I guess you weren't around when Dave Brown  
Peter in Atlanta : 8/22/2014 11:27 am : link
was the QB.
I think Giant fans are football fans  
deadkurtrulz : 8/22/2014 11:38 am : link
first. Unlike Jet fans Giant fans can view and evaluate Giant players realistically. Everyone is not great because they are wearing Giant uniforms. It is not about negativity. I think it is more about realistic expectations. During the TC era the Giants have mostly had a strong OL/DL core and have tried to add talent to the skill positions to compliment that. That is why most Giant fans believed we could beat NE in both super bowls despite being heavy underdogs. We knew we would knock Brady on his ass. Our strong running game and clutch plays by Eli made us champions twice. But the success was mostly due to our strong OL/DL core. Giants had a strong foundation to build around.

Many of us now believe Giants are below average at both the OL/DL positions. If the foundation is weak it is hard to have high expectations for the coming season. Maybe our fears are exaggerated and Giants will win and make the playoffs. Of course we will be rooting for wins every week. But this team has holes and it is not crazy or negative to have doubts and concerns about the upcoming season.
its easy to be negative  
msh : 8/22/2014 12:08 pm : link
i get the mood after last years 0-6 start and why people worry the season will be another one as bad as last year
and it could be

i like alot of what the giants did in the offseason i would argue that the addition of mclain and beason with dennard and williams gives them the best LB corp since they had pierce and mitchell back there and possibly a better unit overall

jennings is an everydown back and williams looks like the power runner they have searched for since jacobs in his prime and as good as jacobs was he was always tackled far to easily for his size,losing wilson is a blow he would have given them the speed to scare defences that they no longer have

i like the DL if jpp returns to 2011 form this team could be really tough on defence upfront,and in the secondry which has been a weakness for them even in the 86 superbowl team collins being the only standout in that unit back then
they now have the best secondry they have had

the whole crux of the teeth gnashing is 2 areas eli manning and the OL,i would have liked another OL pick in the early rounds as they realistically needed to replace both snee and diehl and took a centre over a guard and tackle,they have some past success with turning other teams castoffs into a good OL and if schwartz and walton can be the new ohara and mckenzie they could be good there

then theres eli he is a real head scratcher sometimes he can be pierless and he can be a liability and you never know which one your going to get in a given play never mind game or season. i personnaly think the new system is what he needed,the old one was clearly not working,maybe the change will force him to play differently far too much pressure was laid on eli to win under gilbride and eli tries too hard when things arent going well and he tries to push passes to people he shouldnt which leads to his huge turnover stats
Haven't been around long, have ya?  
GFL in WV : 8/22/2014 12:08 pm : link
This place used to be the Wild West of negativity with a lot of personal vendettas, insults and the occasional threat thrown in. It has cleaned up a lot over the years but that streak of negativity has always remained. Even if you accept the load of nutcases, band wagon fans, and even mentally challenged people that inhabit a game thread as the exception, there has always been negativity.

As an older fan I can speak as to why for my fellow old geezers. We actually saw Allie Sherman, the years of teams that just couldn't play, the failure of Fran Tarkenton, a merry go round of incompetent coaches and "there's always next year" promises that never were made good. We learned a long time ago not to have too much faith in this team and Parcells did indeed fix that but it still raises its head occasionally when we see things that remind us of the old days. Sort of an older Giants fan PTSD.

My only comfort is that I have seen other teams look like pure crap this pre-season too and they can't all be bad teams. The Steelers went down like 24-0 last night and Ben R. looked like some tourist they hung his jersey on for most of the night and spent time on his back. Their defense sucked. Watched the Browns stink the joint up too. Several other unworthy performances by teams I don't remember. I will stick with the old axiom that we haven't seen what the Giants can really do although I have seen enough to have my psychiatrist on speed dial to help with the Giants Fan PTSD.

Whatever happens, I know I will be dumb enough to keep rooting for them. I was born that way, it's genetic. Go Giants!!
More than a few BBIers  
81_Great_Dane : 8/22/2014 12:10 pm : link
talk as if they'd rather see the team lose, so they can be proven right, than see it win and have to admit Eli doesn't suck, or TC is a good coach, or Reese shouldn't be fired.
When it comes to the BBI negativity  
Semipro Lineman : 8/22/2014 12:16 pm : link
there are at least two different points to address. First is the over-the-top-ism type of negative. Some of this can be just ridiculous attention-whoring by posters looking to make the most minor item into a huge deal so they get recognition to moron endlessly repeating something another moron said which now makes it a legitimate analysis of the team. This doesn't include the trolls who are of course more prominent when the team is struggling

Second is the people who are expressing their honest opinions about the current state of the team. Since there are obvious flaws and areas of concerns this second group has a lot to discuss.

Taking all of it together may make the negativity is seem a bit overwhelming. Learn to distingish between the two groups, ignore the first set of fools and focus on the merits of the agruments brought by the second group. It will give you a clearer picture of the challenges faced by the Giants
Not Negativity  
Samiam : 8/22/2014 12:18 pm : link
Its the whining that bugs me; sometimes we sound like Jets fans with the woe is me attitude. Every fan should be worried now but the negativity shouldnt really start until we see this kind of play during the season. Teams have looked great and teams have sucked in the preseason and did a 180 during the season. Still, expecting an OL to come together after a few preseason games and a few practice is a reach when none of the 5 players ever played together as a unit.
I remember....  
hazydavey : 8/22/2014 12:19 pm : link
...this place was extremely negative leading up to the 2011 season.

Eli was very shaky and coming off a season when he led the league in interceptions. We lost our starting TE (Boss), our best DT (Cofield)and our most experienced WR (Steve Smith) to free agency without replacing any of them.

We had no tight end worth mentioning (Travis Beckham and Bear Pasco had about 20 career receptions between them) . Our defense couldn't stop the run. Our starting middle linebacker tore his ACL and was lost for the year. Our best pass rusher held out and then showed up injured. Our starting CB (TT) tore his ACL and was lost for the season, our #1 draft pick, Prince Amukamara was injured with a broken foot.

"Hopefully, this will be rebuilding year" - was one of the more optimistic sentiments.

And then we lose week 1 to the hapless Redskins.

This place was all gloom and doom.
Guess Phil wasn't here  
CT Charlie : 8/22/2014 12:21 pm : link
when we lost to the Falcons and Ravens in 2012.
By the way,  
Semipro Lineman : 8/22/2014 12:22 pm : link
if you subscribed to the notion that it’s the Optimists vs the Realists on the forum then you are a knucklehead.

Optimist or Pessimist is just a description of a person’s opinion. Dressing up one side of the debate as “Realist” is complete bullshit.
negativity or honesty  
hitdog42 : 8/22/2014 12:27 pm : link
the giants offense sucked last year
the giants offesns sucked for the 2nd half of 2012
the giants have a new offense this year... and new players... and so far it looks not just poor yardage wise... but confidence wise terrible.

eli has looked worse each passing game since mid way through 2012. much of this is because the line has been awful... but even with that, he looks poor.

we actually dont have a TE... this is factual, not opinion... and the OL still has qustion marks...

So at the end of the day.. im not sure people are being negative... they are just being honest with what they have seen over the recent seasons.

poeple saying "sky ios falling" "people so negative and overreacting"- i disagree... most people are rational and are just responding to what they see and watch.... the irrational... at this stage, is the person who thinks we are just going to flip the switch and all of a sudden be good.

i have not thrown in any towel on this year... we have the personel to improve... we need time to mesh... but currently and based on reccent seasons, it doesnt look good for the offense
HazyDave  
Mike L. : 8/22/2014 12:40 pm : link
good post - i remember that time well. Bottom line is that the NFL season is a marathon. Look at how Vick and the Eagles started out last year - looked unstoppable in week 1. By week 8 they were 3-5 coming off a 15-7 loss to our Giants. There is ebb and flow to almost every season. People keep bitching about the line not being fixed or talented. I see at least 6 talented lineman on the team, with another 2 (Jerry and Brown) who have started multiple NFL games. Somehow the Saints won several games with Brown playing tackle he started 13 games. We sign him as a backup at a cheap rate, how is that bad? What was the better option, drafting Martin? How would he do starting at LT? Who would we have as an option down the road at WR? Beckham won't be on the shelf forever. it just seems that way.
this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2014 12:41 pm : link
is like the good old days on BBI (1995-1997):

The Optimists versus The Realists....

Good times.
I'm usually very optimistic  
nicky43 : 8/22/2014 12:52 pm : link
But this year, JR has given TC a team that even TC will not be able to whip into shape let alone secure a good Win record with. That is why I'm worried.
RE: They needed OT Taylor Lewan  
Reb8thVA : 8/22/2014 1:11 pm : link
In comment 11819118 Giants2012 said:
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Yes, the Giants could have used a receiver but needed OL. They needed Lewan in round 1 and Richburg in round 2. That would have solidified this mess of an OL. The Giants gambled by staying put on draft day and lost as Tennessee took the OT the Giants needed

Lewan - Schwartz - Walton - Richburg - Pugh


Beatty could have been the extra TE and cut next offseason.

That would have solidified the OL. Now it's a mess and one injury away from another disaster.


Agree totally
It's about perspective  
hazydavey : 8/22/2014 1:17 pm : link
I wouldn't call myself an optimist. There are too many reasons to be very concerned with this team.

But pessimism isn't synonymous with reality any more than optimism is.

It's usually a mistake to put so much on a preseason game, but we're doing it precisely because things don't look very good right now. Still, just a few sustained drives from Eli and the OL against the Jets first-team defense and opinions will change and quickly.

The main thing is... it's early. And it's a long season.
Not so sure trading up to pick Lewan was the answer.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/22/2014 1:27 pm : link
So far, Phil in LA seems to have been right about him.
Dumb retaliation and facemasks, just like in college. - ( New Window )
people arent putting anything on the preseason game....  
hitdog42 : 8/22/2014 1:44 pm : link
they are putting it on EVERY GAME SINCE MIDWAY THROUGH 2012!!!!!!!!
It could be  
Jerry in DC : 8/22/2014 1:45 pm : link
that the Giants just aren't that good and people are responding to it. Sometimes I feel like people see it as a moral badge of honor to be optimistic regardless of the real situation.

I don't agree with this. We're all sports fans, mostly fans of multiple teams across sports. Sometimes the team you root for isn't good. Rooting for a team that isn't good, doesn't make you bad or dumb. Nor does acknowledging that they're not good.

Of course the Giants could be good this year. It's possible. It seems unlikely to me based on what we've seen for the past 1.5 seasons and what we know about the team right now. Personally, I completely discount anything that happens in preseason.

There do seem to be some people who freak out about it, which I don't get. If they're not good, they're not good. It sucks. Rooting for a good team is really fun. But your team isn't going to be good every year.
hope springs  
natefit : 8/22/2014 2:03 pm : link
eternal. Especially every August
The Giants fans on this board...  
Frank in Mexico City : 8/22/2014 5:55 pm : link
are generally pretty snarky and skew pessimistic unless the Giants are on a playoff winning streak. This makes the commentary interesting, insightful and occasionally disturbing.

When your QB is 1 for 9 in the last 2 games, seems to have a terminal case of happy feet, operates behind a line that is one blitz away from allowing a career ending hit, seems to be struggling to operate in a new system with a new coordinator and is being outplayed by your 3rd string QB. I would say pessimism is warranted.

It will get real ugly if the Jets stomp on us like Philly did to Pittsburgh last night.

I say they right the ship tonite...

RE: C'mon!  
chris r : 8/22/2014 5:57 pm : link
In comment 11819072 River Mike said:
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We were a horror show last season and so far this pre-season the starters have been horrible ... and you don't understand why there is negativity?! I, for one am not predicting doom for the regular season. I think we've taken steps in the right direction and eventually it will show, and I will continue to root for them no matter what. But you can't understand the negativity? Seriously?


This.
Come on PhilD. You haven't seen real negativity  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 6:06 pm : link
until you log onto this site around...say 9pm tonite?
a little good news?  
Headhunter : 8/22/2014 6:28 pm : link

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Beckham just jogged off the field. No, it wasn't full speed. But no, there wasn't even a hint of an uneven gait #goodsigns
RE: They needed OT Taylor Lewan  
Giants2012 : 8/23/2014 12:20 am : link
In comment 11819118 Giants2012 said:
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Yes, the Giants could have used a receiver but needed OL. They needed Lewan in round 1 and Richburg in round 2. That would have solidified this mess of an OL. The Giants gambled by staying put on draft day and lost as Tennessee took the OT the Giants needed

Lewan - Schwartz - Walton - Richburg - Pugh



That would have solidified the OL. Now it's a mess and one injury away from another disaster.


and down goes Schwartz. Unreal
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