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Move the extra point to the 1 yard line - Coughlin

BigBlueinChicago : 8/22/2014 11:17 am
Defenderdawg posted the article this morning in his listing that was interesting.

With the preseason experiment to have extra points be 33 yard attempts, Coughlin had a much different view.

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"I didn’t think much of it when it was suggested," he said. "There are some ways to change that part of it if the intent is to make it more exciting. I think that certainly would be one of them. I think you have to be aware of the fact that it’s a 33-yard field goal in November when the wind’s blowing and it’s snowing here and it’s… in Miami it’s 75 degrees. It’s a little different in different parts of the country. You do have to be aware of that. I would say probably the ball will stay at the two, extra points. But if you really want to make it interesting put it at the one."


I never thought of this. Coughlin brings up something that I hope would be considered.

If the ball were at the 1 yard line, what would a team do? One would have to examine the last 5 to 10 seasons of success/failure rates to see the numbers.

More teams you would think would opt to go for the 2. Some conservative types would opt for 1 and face the criticism that his team didn't go for it when they just needed 36 inches.

Should the NFL use Tom's idea?
Link - ( New Window )
It's far and away a better idea than the stupid shit  
Motley Blue : 8/22/2014 11:19 am : link
they've been considering.
brilliant, the man be thinking  
gtt350 : 8/22/2014 11:19 am : link
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This idea has been out there for a while.  
Section331 : 8/22/2014 11:21 am : link
I like it. One would hope it would incentivize teams to go for 2 more often, but with how conservative NFL coaches can be, who knows. It would take a Chip Kelly to do it often and be successful for teams to widely adopt it.
much better idea  
Blue Baller : 8/22/2014 11:29 am : link
than what they are trying
I think you would really see a difference  
hoopy3 : 8/22/2014 11:30 am : link
at the ned of games. For the most part if a team is down by 7 and they score a TD at the end of the 4th, that team typically (not always) plays for overtime and kicks the extra point. I think you would see more teams try to end it and not deal with over-time and go for 2 since the odds would be much closer. I think it is a brilliant idea.
if they must change it  
Hades07 : 8/22/2014 11:34 am : link
this is a much better idea.

Moving it depending on if you are going for 1 or 2 is just stupid because it eliminates the chance of a fake.

Another change that I would not balk on is allowing the defense 1 point for returning a extra point fumble, block or int to the end zone. I wouldn't ask for that change, but I wouldn't be against it either.
Just leave it as it is  
steve in ky : 8/22/2014 11:56 am : link
Why the need to change the dynamic of the game.
Leave it where it is,  
81_Great_Dane : 8/22/2014 12:02 pm : link
but make the player who scored the TD do the kicking.
^^^ yeah, that would be funny watching  
micky : 8/22/2014 12:12 pm : link
A tackle eligible 380lb er try approach and attempt an xp..
RE: Just leave it as it is  
BigBlueinChicago : 8/22/2014 12:24 pm : link
In comment 11819226 steve in ky said:
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Why the need to change the dynamic of the game.


Because no other play in the game currently has a 99% rate of success.
Question,  
Doomster : 8/22/2014 12:29 pm : link
the way it is now, if you go for two, the ball is on the 2 yard line......but sort of removes the element of surprise.....can you still go for two from the new line of scrimmage for the extra point? Would the defense be ready for it? And there would be a lot more room to run a pattern, or even set up a screen....
TC's idea is the best one I've heard yet!  
nicky43 : 8/22/2014 12:46 pm : link
Definitely would make it more exciting as more teams would be tempted to go for two and that kinda forces your opponent to go for two.
I Think The Solution Is Simple  
Trainmaster : 8/22/2014 12:58 pm : link
First, you have to accept that there is a problem or an opportunity. The problem is that the extra point is a boring, nearly automatic play. The opportunity (at for those making money off the games) is to add another commercial break and gain revenue. For fans, it's a chance to see hundreds of more exciting plays.

Given the above, the simple solution is to simply eliminate the 1 point extra point kick. Leave the ball where it has been on the 2 yard line and force teams to add an "exciting scoring play opportunity", with some potential reward.

The record books wouldn't need to change (i.e. TDs are still 6 points and the "value" of a 2 point conversion is as it was).

For the 2013 season (according to the link below), there were 69 2 point conversion attempted with 33 being successful for a success percentage of 47.8%. Of 1267 extra points attempted (according to the same site) in 2013, only 4 were blocked and 1 was missed for a success rate of 99.6%. That is why, when I'm watching a game delayed via DVR, I skip watching the extra point (a 4 in 1000 chance it will be missed).

Eliminate the "automatic" extra point kick and replace it with the 2 point conversion with only about a 1 in 2 chance of success. We would have seen 1300+ 2 point conversions in 2013 if the extra point had been eliminated.

Do it Roger!



Team Two Point Conversion Statistics: 2013 NFL Season - ( New Window )
i like TC's idea  
Mr. Nickels : 8/22/2014 1:07 pm : link
make going for 2 more enticing
Moving The Spot To The 1 Yd Line  
Trainmaster : 8/22/2014 1:14 pm : link
will / would likely increase the 2 pt conversion success rate to over 50%, which would probably be what is necessary to see the 2 pt conversion attempted much more frequently. But we'd also probably see a lot of QB sneaks (injury risk) and short running plays.

At the 2 yard line, I'd guess there would be a lot more passing plays, which again is more exciting / interesting.

Moving the extra point to the 1 yard line is better than the current system, but I still think simply eliminating the kick is the better solution.

I added the link for the extra point kick statistics.
Team Extra Point Statistics: 2013 NFL Season - ( New Window )
2nd Trainmaster's take, well said:  
ChaChing : 8/22/2014 2:02 pm : link
There's still a CHANCE you get nothing from the 2pt tries and go 0-fer. As NYG fans we've seen how hard 1 yd can. Link below says per ESPN it's 65%+ success though I question the sample size of "2pt conversions from the 1 in 2013" vs "goaline situations from the 1," - that too the latter basically on 3rd or 4th down given you only get 1 play on the 2pt. The 1pt is still basically guaranteed vs the 2pt conversion ATTEMPTS, I bet most coaches still take the pt (almost like not taking pts off the board).

But even then I say moving the kick forward simply makes kick play even more meaningless, so we should just give 7 for a TD or 6 and the 2pt try...it'd be great from the 1 to really add intrigue to it, but moving the kick ahead when the fact it's so easy is the issue makes little sense IMO.

Of course I am ignoring revenue / advertising concerns...a whole 'nother ball of wax as a fan I don't care about.

Stats on 1yd vs 2yd % from ESPN - ( New Window )
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