We can minimize preseason won and lost records all we want, rightfully so. But I don t believe the same can be said for a constant inadequate performance by a team s ones. Giants first team defense and especially offense need solid performance tonight to gain momentum heading into season. I really believe that.
Not so on O. Eli, Victor and Beatty are the only ones around long enough to have the right to call their team out and none would.
The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.
The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.
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... the premise of the OP is inherently true.
The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.
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Indubitably...nothing to really add I just liked the "indeed" response and have been wanting to use indubitably somewhere for awhile.
The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.
All I care is that they come out of it healthy. That will be significant, because when the games actually count, this team will already be operating on pretty thin margins.
They may be doing so in practice and telling the media they are, but you know they want to see it themselves versus other teams.
So there is some significance...
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If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.
I don't understand how you can say that....last week, the OL had trouble with stunts......it's meaningless if they do better against these stunts? It means they had a problem, and they were able to adjust/fix the way they handle stunts, in practice this week....if the same thing happens, what does that say?
2. No injuries
vibe4giants : 12:13 pm : link : reply
If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.
I don't understand how you can say that....last week, the OL had trouble with stunts......it's meaningless if they do better against these stunts? It means they had a problem, and they were able to adjust/fix the way they handle stunts, in practice this week....if the same thing happens, what does that say?
It says that they are trying different schemes no matter what the defense is to see how players preform.
But the preseason games are now the "scrimmages" of years past.
They are now merely a means of how well the teams have absorbed the coaching and possible installing of a new scheme.
As we have seen so far with the Giants, the ones and twos are having some difficulty accomplishing that.
The threes are playing college ball and showing their skills and trying to " "Flash" and catch the .coaches eye.
Lousy proof reading.
All I care is that they come out of it healthy. That will be significant, because when the games actually count, this team will already be operating on pretty thin margins.
Agree. Fans are reacting way too quickly and they need to be more patient.
There are too many factors (vanilla scheme, new OL, new system, lack of effort due to self preservation of players not trying to get hurt in preseason, Rex Ryan trying too hard to win a meaningless game) to use this game and the preseason in general to make a projection of how the regular season will be.
vibe4giants : 12:13 pm : link : reply
If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.
I don't understand how you can say that....last week, the OL had trouble with stunts......it's meaningless if they do better against these stunts? It means they had a problem, and they were able to adjust/fix the way they handle stunts, in practice this week....if the same thing happens, what does that say?
I have no idea what the Jets are interested in working on this week. Or who they want to look at. Everyone's got micro-agendas in the pre-season. These little snapshots won't ultimately prove anything about what's coming.
Now, no shit, it would nice if the Giants looked better at certain, specific things. But that makes this game significant? As in, this will, for sure, tell us something about the regular season? Is it significant that the Giants are undefeated thus far? Of course not.
I hope the Giants, particularly the OL look better than they have. But will it be noteworthy? Erase what's come before? Say something definitive about what's to come? No. It'll be a pre-season game. That, barring a significant injury, will wind up as forgotten as every other one.
The first 3 games the offense and Defense were pretty vanilla and there was not a whole lot of gameplanning for their opponnent it was more like we want to run these certain plays so we are going to run them no matter what...
Tonight the plays will be more geared toward what the Jets like to do...so that is the only significant part i see...
But the preseason games are now the "scrimmages" of years past.
They are now merely a means of how well the teams have absorbed the coaching and possible installing of a new scheme.
As we have seen so far with the Giants, the ones and twos are having some difficulty accomplishing that.
The threes are playing college ball and showing their skills and trying to " "Flash" and catch the .coaches eye.
I know, I love it, but you just don't get many chances to use indubitably in a normal conversation. '56 really helped me out.
I would love to see the offense do a little something tonight but I honestly just want zero injuries.
The Giants are going to improve(unless the injury bug appears)whether they play well tonight or not. Also, even if they do put together a couple of nice drives does it honestly mean anything? It's not like all the problems can be fixed in a half of football.
Patience and crossed fingers.
Who is our X WR? We know it won't be Beckham any time soon if at all. Who will it be ?
Is the OL adequate ? Not interested in what they can be in six weeks. What will they be when season starts?
What kind of offense are we now with new OC ? Giants have shown nothing so far. I'm not buying the BS 'plain vanilla' excuse anymore. I don't care if we have to go full tutti-fruitti tonight but we need to show something.
If they had a camera on Coughlin during the first half, you would see it wasn't meaningless to him.
Frankly, the fans panic, but nobody here has a clue what the Giants want to accomplish. I keep hearing that our starters have sucked donkey balls because the O has sputtered, but the D has looked darn good (save for the ridiculous penalties that all teams are suffering from), and yet while sucking horse cock, the team is still 1-1-1 when the starters depart.
We can act as if we have legitimate points to make about preseason, but we don't. No matter how much we wish we did.
Frankly, the fans panic, but nobody here has a clue what the Giants want to accomplish. I keep hearing that our starters have sucked donkey balls because the O has sputtered, but the D has looked darn good (save for the ridiculous penalties that all teams are suffering from), and yet while sucking horse cock, the team is still 1-1-1 when the starters depart.
We can act as if we have legitimate points to make about preseason, but we don't. No matter how much we wish we did.
Pretty much what I'm saying. As fans, everyone here has a different idea of what we think it important. But the Giants (and Jets) could be looking at/for totally different things. The Giants biggest takeaway from tonight could be from just one or two plays that most of us don't even notice.
This thread is about a fan's feelings. And how people will feel based on what they see and think is important to them. Confusing that with reality is a fan's prerogative. But it's not significant.
And the line about putting the camera on TC and taking significance from that is ridiculous. His demeanor, like Eli's placidity, is a personality trait. You can point a camera at them any time and see the same thing.
I don't care about final score or anything like that but just the basic fundamentals need to be much better than we've seen.
I don't care about final score or anything like that but just the basic fundamentals need to be much better than we've seen.
It would certainly be nice to see Eli playing better. But that would have been true in any number of regular season games over the last season and a half, too. The story of Eli (™) will play out over the longer term this season. We still won't be able to take away much from good or bad Eli in whatever time he gets tonight. We'll all feel better when (if) he has a significantly good stretch in the regular season again.
The most significant preseason game is a little like being the tallest midget.
Of course he is. They've played badly. He wants them to play better. You really think there's a nugget of special insight there? This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.
That really obvious point doesn't come close to supporting the OP's contention that this is a uniquely significant pre-season game for the Giants.
For me, it's '98 against the Jets. Sehorn's injury.
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Cruz's three tds and when eli got jacked up and bled all over everything.
For me, it's '98 against the Jets. Sehorn's injury.
Dammit. Now I remember that one. Wonder what BBI was like that day. 75 threads asking about why he's returning kicks!
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disappointed in his starters
Of course he is. They've played badly. He wants them to play better. You really think there's a nugget of special insight there? This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.
That really obvious point doesn't come close to supporting the OP's contention that this is a uniquely significant pre-season game for the Giants.
The point is not representing to support the OP's contention. It is to refute your comment that how the One's play in this game is meaningless. Wake up...
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disappointed in his starters
Of course he is. They've played badly. He wants them to play better. You really think there's a nugget of special insight there? This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.
That really obvious point doesn't come close to supporting the OP's contention that this is a uniquely significant pre-season game for the Giants.
The point is not representing to support the OP's contention. It is to refute your comment that how the One's play in this game is meaningless. Wake up...
Honestly, post something worth waking up for. So far you have a camera pointed at TC and a really obvious observation about coaches caring about how their team's play. And…. (Snooze.)
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This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.
That was ironic understatement intended to mock your point. You may still be able to find it behind you, as it obviously flew straight over your head.
Well we only scored against their 2's, so not sure that should be counted as a Win.
- Simms's ACL in 1982.
I faintly recall Sehorn's injury, but I was listening to that one on the radio. I also have vague memories of big plays by guys who were scarcely heard from again, like Jonathan Carter, Da'Rel Scott and the immortal Sean Bennett.
Good one..I was at that game(it was on my birthday and during Woodstock weekend)...Sherman was teetering on a thread before that game..The Jets, the world champions, wanted this game much more..We didn't even show up in any phase..Even to me, a fan, one could see that there was zero effort by all, first, second, third and fourth stringers..It started with Mike Battle's opening KO TD return which showed us waving bye as he passed palyer after player to Namath slicing us like a surgeon..You'd never know this was a preseason game judging by the super effort put out by the Jets..
6 days will be a barn burner
The 3rd (4th for us because of the HOF game) pre-season game is usually the most important. Our 1s have looked very mediocre thus far on offense. Our offense just needs to show something. I'm not talking about schematically, we all know how vanilla the pre-season is. But in terms of individual player execution, I want to see our passing game really show some positive signs tonight. Just straight up man pass blocking, RBs picking up blitzes, and Eli throwing strikes. That's what I'm looking for tonight.
Very pumped for this game tonight.