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Can t remember a more significant preseason game

JoefromPa : 8/22/2014 11:23 am
We can minimize preseason won and lost records all we want, rightfully so. But I don t believe the same can be said for a constant inadequate performance by a team s ones. Giants first team defense and especially offense need solid performance tonight to gain momentum heading into season. I really believe that.
Not really worried about the D.  
MOOPS : 8/22/2014 11:44 am : link
They'll come around. Some significant talent there and a few vocal guys with tenure and rep that can and will speak up and light a fire under their asses if and when needed.
Not so on O. Eli, Victor and Beatty are the only ones around long enough to have the right to call their team out and none would.
Since all preseason games are more or less equally insignificant...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/22/2014 11:50 am : link
... the premise of the OP is inherently true.

The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.
RE: Since all preseason games are more or less equally insignificant...  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 11:50 am : link
In comment 11819206 Big Blue Blogger said:
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... the premise of the OP is inherently true.

The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.


Indeed
Fans need  
PEEJ : 8/22/2014 11:52 am : link
a morale booster
RE: RE: Since all preseason games are more or less equally insignificant...  
okiegiant : 8/22/2014 11:53 am : link
In comment 11819208 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11819206 Big Blue Blogger said:


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... the premise of the OP is inherently true.

The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.


Indeed


Indubitably...nothing to really add I just liked the "indeed" response and have been wanting to use indubitably somewhere for awhile.
RE: Since all preseason games are more or less equally insignificant...  
81_Great_Dane : 8/22/2014 12:04 pm : link
In comment 11819206 Big Blue Blogger said:
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... the premise of the OP is inherently true.

The only preseason games that are worth remembering are ones with key injuries and ones that decide the starters at critical positions - especially QB.
I agree. Tonight's game is a big thing for the fans, because we're impatient, but it's really not important.
I personalIy don't put a preseason game in the signifcant category  
steve in ky : 8/22/2014 12:05 pm : link
But granted a nice performance would be welcome by all at this point.
It's absolutely insignificant.  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 12:13 pm : link
If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.

All I care is that they come out of it healthy. That will be significant, because when the games actually count, this team will already be operating on pretty thin margins.

It's a live practice, no more, no less.  
CT Charlie : 8/22/2014 12:15 pm : link
Assuming (hoping) no one gets hurt, Its only real, lasting value is to the players on the bubble.
I would think the first teamers could use some confidence  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 12:20 pm : link
that they indeed are improving with this Offense.

They may be doing so in practice and telling the media they are, but you know they want to see it themselves versus other teams.

So there is some significance...
????????  
Doomster : 8/22/2014 12:20 pm : link
It's absolutely insignificant.
vibe4giants : 12:13 pm : link : reply
If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.

I don't understand how you can say that....last week, the OL had trouble with stunts......it's meaningless if they do better against these stunts? It means they had a problem, and they were able to adjust/fix the way they handle stunts, in practice this week....if the same thing happens, what does that say?
Doomy,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 12:23 pm : link
it most likely says we will not get our timing, our calls, our synchronicity until at least the first quarter(or so) of the regular season..
Tonight I just want to see  
Maximus, Esq. : 8/22/2014 12:25 pm : link
1. A couple of nice drives by the offense
2. No injuries

RE: ????????  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/22/2014 12:26 pm : link
In comment 11819305 Doomster said:
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It's absolutely insignificant.
vibe4giants : 12:13 pm : link : reply
If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.

I don't understand how you can say that....last week, the OL had trouble with stunts......it's meaningless if they do better against these stunts? It means they had a problem, and they were able to adjust/fix the way they handle stunts, in practice this week....if the same thing happens, what does that say?


It says that they are trying different schemes no matter what the defense is to see how players preform.
Get a life  
JS899294 : 8/22/2014 12:26 pm : link
..it is just a game of football
okiegiant, I can understand  
vince : 8/22/2014 12:28 pm : link
the use of the word "indubitably" really nice sounding and it just rolls off the tongue.

But the preseason games are now the "scrimmages" of years past.

They are now merely a means of how well the teams have absorbed the coaching and possible installing of a new scheme.

As we have seen so far with the Giants, the ones and twos are having some difficulty accomplishing that.

The threes are playing college ball and showing their skills and trying to " "Flash" and catch the .coaches eye.
substitue  
vince : 8/22/2014 12:30 pm : link
Installation for installing.

Lousy proof reading.
one more thing OP  
vince : 8/22/2014 12:31 pm : link
What'nhell does OP stand for?
RE: It's absolutely insignificant.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 8/22/2014 12:32 pm : link
In comment 11819282 vibe4giants said:
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If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.

All I care is that they come out of it healthy. That will be significant, because when the games actually count, this team will already be operating on pretty thin margins.


Agree. Fans are reacting way too quickly and they need to be more patient.

There are too many factors (vanilla scheme, new OL, new system, lack of effort due to self preservation of players not trying to get hurt in preseason, Rex Ryan trying too hard to win a meaningless game) to use this game and the preseason in general to make a projection of how the regular season will be.
oh poop  
Maximus, Esq. : 8/22/2014 12:32 pm : link
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Opening Post  
steve in ky : 8/22/2014 12:33 pm : link
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or Original Post  
steve in ky : 8/22/2014 12:33 pm : link
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RE: ????????  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 12:34 pm : link
In comment 11819305 Doomster said:
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It's absolutely insignificant.
vibe4giants : 12:13 pm : link : reply
If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.

I don't understand how you can say that....last week, the OL had trouble with stunts......it's meaningless if they do better against these stunts? It means they had a problem, and they were able to adjust/fix the way they handle stunts, in practice this week....if the same thing happens, what does that say?


I have no idea what the Jets are interested in working on this week. Or who they want to look at. Everyone's got micro-agendas in the pre-season. These little snapshots won't ultimately prove anything about what's coming.

Now, no shit, it would nice if the Giants looked better at certain, specific things. But that makes this game significant? As in, this will, for sure, tell us something about the regular season? Is it significant that the Giants are undefeated thus far? Of course not.

I hope the Giants, particularly the OL look better than they have. But will it be noteworthy? Erase what's come before? Say something definitive about what's to come? No. It'll be a pre-season game. That, barring a significant injury, will wind up as forgotten as every other one.
The only thing significant about tonight  
nygiants16 : 8/22/2014 12:36 pm : link
is the team actually has a little bit of a gameplan for this game...So this is the closest we will see to what the Offense and Defense will want to do...

The first 3 games the offense and Defense were pretty vanilla and there was not a whole lot of gameplanning for their opponnent it was more like we want to run these certain plays so we are going to run them no matter what...

Tonight the plays will be more geared toward what the Jets like to do...so that is the only significant part i see...
RE: okiegiant, I can understand  
okiegiant : 8/22/2014 12:40 pm : link
In comment 11819332 vince said:
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the use of the word "indubitably" really nice sounding and it just rolls off the tongue.

But the preseason games are now the "scrimmages" of years past.

They are now merely a means of how well the teams have absorbed the coaching and possible installing of a new scheme.

As we have seen so far with the Giants, the ones and twos are having some difficulty accomplishing that.

The threes are playing college ball and showing their skills and trying to " "Flash" and catch the .coaches eye.


I know, I love it, but you just don't get many chances to use indubitably in a normal conversation. '56 really helped me out.

I would love to see the offense do a little something tonight but I honestly just want zero injuries.

The Giants are going to improve(unless the injury bug appears)whether they play well tonight or not. Also, even if they do put together a couple of nice drives does it honestly mean anything? It's not like all the problems can be fixed in a half of football.

Patience and crossed fingers.
Giant question marks  
deadkurtrulz : 8/22/2014 12:54 pm : link
The game is not significant but the question marks are.

Who is our X WR? We know it won't be Beckham any time soon if at all. Who will it be ?

Is the OL adequate ? Not interested in what they can be in six weeks. What will they be when season starts?

What kind of offense are we now with new OC ? Giants have shown nothing so far. I'm not buying the BS 'plain vanilla' excuse anymore. I don't care if we have to go full tutti-fruitti tonight but we need to show something.
RE: It's absolutely insignificant.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 12:58 pm : link
In comment 11819282 vibe4giants said:
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If the Ones do well, it will be as meaningless as if they don't.


If they had a camera on Coughlin during the first half, you would see it wasn't meaningless to him.
you know what most fans...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/22/2014 1:04 pm : link
never grasp about preseason is that each team's approach is different. Some are trying certain things or certain personnel to get extra work or for fine tuning for later in the year. Some want to work on blitz packages or protection schemes and don't really care about the results.

Frankly, the fans panic, but nobody here has a clue what the Giants want to accomplish. I keep hearing that our starters have sucked donkey balls because the O has sputtered, but the D has looked darn good (save for the ridiculous penalties that all teams are suffering from), and yet while sucking horse cock, the team is still 1-1-1 when the starters depart.

We can act as if we have legitimate points to make about preseason, but we don't. No matter how much we wish we did.
RE: you know what most fans...  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 1:13 pm : link
In comment 11819444 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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never grasp about preseason is that each team's approach is different. Some are trying certain things or certain personnel to get extra work or for fine tuning for later in the year. Some want to work on blitz packages or protection schemes and don't really care about the results.

Frankly, the fans panic, but nobody here has a clue what the Giants want to accomplish. I keep hearing that our starters have sucked donkey balls because the O has sputtered, but the D has looked darn good (save for the ridiculous penalties that all teams are suffering from), and yet while sucking horse cock, the team is still 1-1-1 when the starters depart.

We can act as if we have legitimate points to make about preseason, but we don't. No matter how much we wish we did.


Pretty much what I'm saying. As fans, everyone here has a different idea of what we think it important. But the Giants (and Jets) could be looking at/for totally different things. The Giants biggest takeaway from tonight could be from just one or two plays that most of us don't even notice.

This thread is about a fan's feelings. And how people will feel based on what they see and think is important to them. Confusing that with reality is a fan's prerogative. But it's not significant.

And the line about putting the camera on TC and taking significance from that is ridiculous. His demeanor, like Eli's placidity, is a personality trait. You can point a camera at them any time and see the same thing.
FMiC please stop being sensible  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/22/2014 1:13 pm : link
It ruins the flow of the thread
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arcarsenal : 8/22/2014 1:17 pm : link
It's significant in the sense that we still need to see basic execution. If the protections still look really bad, I think you'd have to be fairly concerned. If Eli is still missing guys high or just mechanically not looking good again, I think it's also justified to be a bit concerned.

I don't care about final score or anything like that but just the basic fundamentals need to be much better than we've seen.
Nope...Coughlin's personality has many sides. He is visibly  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 1:23 pm : link
disappointed in his starters and has said so repeatedly in the past week. He wants improvement on the field, even preseason games, and show "meaningful" progress.

RE: .  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 1:24 pm : link
In comment 11819480 arcarsenal said:
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It's significant in the sense that we still need to see basic execution. If the protections still look really bad, I think you'd have to be fairly concerned. If Eli is still missing guys high or just mechanically not looking good again, I think it's also justified to be a bit concerned.

I don't care about final score or anything like that but just the basic fundamentals need to be much better than we've seen.


It would certainly be nice to see Eli playing better. But that would have been true in any number of regular season games over the last season and a half, too. The story of Eli (™) will play out over the longer term this season. We still won't be able to take away much from good or bad Eli in whatever time he gets tonight. We'll all feel better when (if) he has a significantly good stretch in the regular season again.
Off the top of my head, I can only remember two pre season games  
BeerFridge : 8/22/2014 1:25 pm : link
Cruz's three tds and when eli got jacked up and bled all over everything.

The most significant preseason game is a little like being the tallest midget.
RE: Nope...Coughlin's personality has many sides. He is visibly  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 1:31 pm : link
In comment 11819494 Jimmy Googs said:
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disappointed in his starters


Of course he is. They've played badly. He wants them to play better. You really think there's a nugget of special insight there? This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.

That really obvious point doesn't come close to supporting the OP's contention that this is a uniquely significant pre-season game for the Giants.
RE: Off the top of my head, I can only remember two pre season games  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 1:33 pm : link
In comment 11819502 BeerFridge said:
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Cruz's three tds and when eli got jacked up and bled all over everything.


For me, it's '98 against the Jets. Sehorn's injury.

RE: RE: Off the top of my head, I can only remember two pre season games  
BeerFridge : 8/22/2014 1:34 pm : link
In comment 11819518 vibe4giants said:
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In comment 11819502 BeerFridge said:


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Cruz's three tds and when eli got jacked up and bled all over everything.




For me, it's '98 against the Jets. Sehorn's injury.


Dammit. Now I remember that one. Wonder what BBI was like that day. 75 threads asking about why he's returning kicks!
RE: RE: Nope...Coughlin's personality has many sides. He is visibly  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 1:39 pm : link
In comment 11819514 vibe4giants said:
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In comment 11819494 Jimmy Googs said:


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disappointed in his starters




Of course he is. They've played badly. He wants them to play better. You really think there's a nugget of special insight there? This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.

That really obvious point doesn't come close to supporting the OP's contention that this is a uniquely significant pre-season game for the Giants.


The point is not representing to support the OP's contention. It is to refute your comment that how the One's play in this game is meaningless. Wake up...
RE: It's absolutely insignificant.  
bob16 : 8/22/2014 1:39 pm : link
Oh yeah? Why don't ask Allie Sherman about that? I do believe he would disagree with you.
1969 vs Jets was pretty significant  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/22/2014 1:41 pm : link
Allie Sherman got fired for losing to the the defending Super Bowl Jets.
Tonight is a very important night for the franchise  
NYG82 : 8/22/2014 1:47 pm : link
The first team offense needs to show something, anything, that remotely reflects competence and growth. The final result means nothing but the way they play means everything. I would play the first team offense until they perform or the 4th quarter starts, whichever occurs first. If it is the latter then holy shit are we in trouble this year.
I wonder  
JoefromPa : 8/22/2014 1:58 pm : link
If Coughlin, Eli and the rest of the organization believe tonight's game is insignificant. My guess is they do!
BTW Vibe - this nugget of insight from you was special too...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 2:01 pm : link
In comment 11819514 vibe4giants said:
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This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.
RE: RE: RE: Nope...Coughlin's personality has many sides. He is visibly  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11819530 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 11819514 vibe4giants said:


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In comment 11819494 Jimmy Googs said:


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disappointed in his starters




Of course he is. They've played badly. He wants them to play better. You really think there's a nugget of special insight there? This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.

That really obvious point doesn't come close to supporting the OP's contention that this is a uniquely significant pre-season game for the Giants.



The point is not representing to support the OP's contention. It is to refute your comment that how the One's play in this game is meaningless. Wake up...


Honestly, post something worth waking up for. So far you have a camera pointed at TC and a really obvious observation about coaches caring about how their team's play. And…. (Snooze.)
RE: BTW Vibe - this nugget of insight from you was special too...  
vibe4giants : 8/22/2014 2:13 pm : link
In comment 11819582 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 11819514 vibe4giants said:


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This time of year, that's the position of most NFL coaches. They want their team, particularly their starters, to, get this, play well.




That was ironic understatement intended to mock your point. You may still be able to find it behind you, as it obviously flew straight over your head.
Really?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/22/2014 2:14 pm : link
how witty of you...
You just haven't been watching these games  
Motley Blue : 8/22/2014 2:24 pm : link
from a perspective of a Jets fan. Do that and you'll realize how life & death this match up really is.
Game Is Significant for Rex Ryan  
clatterbuck : 8/22/2014 3:37 pm : link
and Woody Johnson. They want the Snoopy trophy.
There is only 1 thing I do not want to be discussing  
Headhunter : 8/22/2014 3:41 pm : link
after the game win, lose or draw is significant injuries to our guys. I was at the game Sehorn got his and if you put a gun to my head I don't remember who won that game, truth be told, I don't remember who won last year's game . I do remember Sanchez getting blasted by Austin.
FMiC  
LG in NYC : 8/22/2014 3:50 pm : link
Not disagreeing with the overall point of your post... but as regards the 1-1-1 record you cite... I assume the 1 win is the Bills game?

Well we only scored against their 2's, so not sure that should be counted as a Win.
FMiC and Vibe,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 4:04 pm : link
of course
Preseason games I remember:  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/22/2014 4:05 pm : link
- A couple of wins over the Steel Curtain era Steelers that gave me false hope;

- Simms's ACL in 1982.

I faintly recall Sehorn's injury, but I was listening to that one on the radio. I also have vague memories of big plays by guys who were scarcely heard from again, like Jonathan Carter, Da'Rel Scott and the immortal Sean Bennett.
RE: 1969 vs Jets was pretty significant  
Big Blue '56 : 8/22/2014 4:11 pm : link
In comment 11819533 Steve in South Jersey said:
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Allie Sherman got fired for losing to the the defending Super Bowl Jets.


Good one..I was at that game(it was on my birthday and during Woodstock weekend)...Sherman was teetering on a thread before that game..The Jets, the world champions, wanted this game much more..We didn't even show up in any phase..Even to me, a fan, one could see that there was zero effort by all, first, second, third and fourth stringers..It started with Mike Battle's opening KO TD return which showed us waving bye as he passed palyer after player to Namath slicing us like a surgeon..You'd never know this was a preseason game judging by the super effort put out by the Jets..
Yeah we will be talking  
Headhunter : 8/22/2014 4:23 pm : link
about it all the way up to kickoff on Thursday against the Pats. But the next
6 days will be a barn burner
most signifcant pre-season game in a while  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/22/2014 7:04 pm : link
I kind of agree with this. But at the same time it's still a pre-season game and they tend to mean very little in the big picture. But it's still important to show some signs of life offensively, to get a positive sustained drive or two going.

The 3rd (4th for us because of the HOF game) pre-season game is usually the most important. Our 1s have looked very mediocre thus far on offense. Our offense just needs to show something. I'm not talking about schematically, we all know how vanilla the pre-season is. But in terms of individual player execution, I want to see our passing game really show some positive signs tonight. Just straight up man pass blocking, RBs picking up blitzes, and Eli throwing strikes. That's what I'm looking for tonight.

Very pumped for this game tonight.
agreed  
chris r : 8/22/2014 7:11 pm : link
obviously preseason games aren't significant, but it would be great to kill the negative vibes with a strong first string TD drive before getting the subs in.
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