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FB Outsiders: Eli

exiled : 8/22/2014 1:47 pm
I really like this site. Always level-headed analysis based on numbers but *in context*. (And FYI, really useful for football pools). This article looks at what went wrong Eli last year, and offers some hope for a more promising season this year.

Talks about the specifics of Gilbride's scheme--what Eli was expected to do, despite the line and Nicks, calling it unsustainable: "It seemed impossible for him to be successful in that scheme with that talent." Also, some significant insights on the draft choices.

Definitely worth a read.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2014/film-room-eli-manning
Something I took from that article  
gmen9892 : 8/22/2014 2:12 pm : link
That you RARELY saw with the Giants are receivers that were running wide open. Be it the scheme or the players (more likely the former), you almost NEVER saw a play where a Giants WR was wide open.
gmen  
Joe in Knoxville : 8/22/2014 2:14 pm : link
on that note as good as our defense was last year how many times did you see 3rd and 8+ and guys running wide open down the middle of the field against our defense for easy first downs
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PEEJ : 8/22/2014 2:15 pm : link
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Interesting read...  
Britt in VA : 8/22/2014 2:53 pm : link
Thanks. Pretty much goes along with what a lot of people have been saying about Eli, well, the ones that believe that it was more of a product of the system and supporting cast rather than the QB himself.
I got a positive out of this  
SGMen : 8/22/2014 3:00 pm : link
Eli, when he had time, still made solid throws. He had no running game and limited talent to throw to as Nicks was a shell of his former self; we had no real TE presence; and, no RB to throw to or dump off. The OL was also among the league's worst. In Gillbride's system, that spells death.
I'd Like to Staple This  
clatterbuck : 8/22/2014 3:15 pm : link
to Ralph Vacchiano's forehead.
Any update on the  
Rob in NYC : 8/22/2014 3:25 pm : link
Eli trade?
Who would trade for him when everybody already knows...  
Britt in VA : 8/22/2014 3:35 pm : link
we're going to cut him at the end of the year?
Eli is the only reason  
SHO'NUFF : 8/22/2014 3:40 pm : link
Gilbride's 'antiquated' offense lasted so long and did so well...any other QB would have washed out, including Big Ben and Rivers. I also doubt Brees and Rodgers would've done well in Gilbride's offense. Peyton, maybe. Brady, maybe.
thanks for this  
Moondwg : 8/22/2014 3:41 pm : link
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RE: I'd Like to Staple This  
robbieballs2003 : 8/22/2014 3:48 pm : link
In comment 11819725 clatterbuck said:
Quote:
to Ralph Vacchiano's forehead.


Hahahahahaha. The only problem with that is he wouldn't be able to see it.
Notice on the pass charts  
Chicken Teriyaki Boy : 8/22/2014 4:05 pm : link
Eli is the only QB with a majority of passes beyond 5 yards.

The more even distribution of Eli's passes across the field relative to the other QBs.

The deep shots in the GB offense seem to be right at 30 yards as opposed 40+ in Gilbride's system.

I like this article  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/22/2014 6:34 pm : link
a lot as it uses visual data to echo sentiments I and many others have shared over the years. My only criticism is that I think he apportions too much fault to the idea that Gilbride's system is outdated, rather than the absolute worst fit for the personnel the Giants had (horrid O-line, receiver injuries, zero run game, etc.).

I also think the writer missed an opportunity to highlight the lack of a securty blanket for Eli that all other quarterbacks seem to have-- pass-catching running backs, and pass-catching tight ends. A QB under durress NEEDS RBs to dump the ball off to, and/or a big tight end that makes all the catches, even to gain a handful of yards. It keeps drives moving, keeps defenses on their heels, and keeps the QB upright and his rhythm alive.

Sure, the author highlighted the lack of passing to running backs but chalked it up entirely to the scheme, rather than the several year stone-handedness of our running backs.

As far as the tigh ends go, it has been a carousel at the position and last year's Brett Myers experiment was only the most recent disaster.


I did like, however, that the author mentioned that the other great quarterbacks could not have succeeded here either (and he should have poitned to Peyton in the Super Bowl to show exactly what happens to an otherwise legendary quarterback when he has no time to throw the ball and no one open).

Overall, though, I think the article was one of the best analyses out there for what went wrong with Eli and the Giants offense.
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