Fells and Donell both had penalties... Davis got most of 1st team reps but whiffed badly on some blocks, Robinson with the least mistakes, congratulations, you are the best of the worst, you win the Giants TE starting job.
I hope Schwartz doesn't have a season ending injury.
Also, with the exception of Cruz we have no real proven receiving talent. I hope Randle is better in the regular season than what he has shown to date.
There were some breakdowns in OL in first half but they did OK. Richburg looked good and Walton was OK. Beatty seemed steady which is the most I could hope for.
The OL is a mess. Beatty, Schwartz, Mosley, and Jerry. Holy shit. Even Pugh looked confused on a sack. Missed blocks, being easily beaten on inside swim moves, and getting pushed back into the QB. Richburg and Gaines were the only bright spots on the OL.
Nothing from the TEs. James and Jackson were awful. Run D was suspect.
Nassib again looked very good. As did Washington, Moore, Williams, and Parker.
Injuries are the key. Kuhn, Bowman, and JPP don't look serious. Hopefully. Harris and Schwartz could be out for awhile. Harris maybe to IR.
Think JJ is in trouble now. Brewer as well. Gaines seems more stable.
1. Beatty looking pretty good
2. Eli gets his groove back on final drive
3. Nassib has a future
4. Moore could leapfrog JJP soon
3. Washington is 3rd or 4th receiver
Wondering how long or serious Schwartz toe injury and how long he'll miss games.
Eli's two minute drill drive looked promising. Still think he's "hearing footsteps" and lost confidence in OL. Can overcome that get back up to par..Season will tell. OL even with that last drive..still has me concerned. Is Richburgh ready to step in when it gets real at LG or not?
like he has talent and Williams looks promising and Kennard is going to be a monster. Does Reese's last 2 drafts suck?
Until the offense has more than 1 possession other than the 2 minute warning in a game, its still reasonable to be suspect of what this team can do. They had 90 yards with 2 minutes to go in the first half.
a few years when Elis contract is up. If we can get some return on our investment for Nassib in a trade then that helps too. If he sits on the team, and doesn't start ever then people will debate it.
God I hope a decent TE shakes loose this week. What an abomination our TE position is.
The OL actually looked NFL caliber once Richburg took over for Schwartz. Beatty whiffed once, but I thought he held up ok. I haven't given up on that unit yet - I think there's a combination that can be halfway decent.
Running backs looked good. We desperately need Beckham to get healthy. If he's in the mix with Cruz, Randle and Washington, that could be fun.
Nice to see Eli have a bounce to his step and a few smiles after that TD drive. He needed it.
I feel a LITTLE better after tonight, so I'll take it.
the team as a redzone option if nothing else. Essentially the 5th WR of the 5 on game day with Parker fighting Jernigan. Washington has the height that none of the other receivers can offer.
I think they IR Harris, they've liked him enough to keep him on the PS. His injury shouldn't be a career limiting one unless he's been horribly unlucky, and he's done well enough to swallow the salary until next year.
He's looked like shit, but if Richburg has to play whichever RG/LG he was supposed to, that means Moseley or Jerry are going to have to start... and that isn't likely to be pretty.
The defense got gassed in the first half. Due to the 5 punts, by the offense. But they only gave up 10 points. So it wasn't that bad. I'm glad the offense got it going a little bit.
I saw some improvement, but this is still a work in progress.
On the plus, this is a much better run-blocking unit than last year. I guess anything would be better than last year, but this OL does open lanes to run in. They need to be more consistent there.
On the plus, this is a much better run-blocking unit than last year. I guess anything would be better than last year, but this OL does open lanes to run in. They need to be more consistent there.
Pass blocking is an issue.
Good post. If they can get 3rd and 3s or shorter, It will only help the passing game. Thought Richberg played much better tonight.
Heard some of it here, not much improvement. Did not see/hear the game but any speculation why Eli did not look good to some of you tonight? Im not worried yet but was hoping to hear of more sharpness on O. Also, thoughts on the running game? Been here a long time, Gmen fan for 50 years and past season ticket holder. I don't post much as you folks -95% anyway :) - provide great insight so I come here to learn. Here is to a good season. I for one, am optimistic. Kudo's to Eric of course and to Connor.
Some of these guys need to drink the Eli and Rolle anti-injury juice
He is pretty far at the end of the bench. Manningham, Jernigan, Talley, Harris and Parker all seem ahead of him. It will be pretty hard if he doesn't make the team. But is he ready to contribute in real games?
I think both Jernigan and Manningham should be gone, but they are getting the reps, so.......?
I not one of those guys to get on Perry but this playing off the LOS
He is pretty far at the end of the bench. Manningham, Jernigan, Talley, Harris and Parker all seem ahead of him. It will be pretty hard if he doesn't make the team. But is he ready to contribute in real games?
I think both Jernigan and Manningham should be gone, but they are getting the reps, so.......?
The other way to look at this is that Manningham, Talley, and Parker were put out there because the coaches wanted to give them one last look. None of them have really stood out like Washington or Harris have.
There's no way Washington doesn't make the team. I believe you're looking at the lack of reps the wrong way.
short term IR a guy like Cooper Taylor right away. It is for starters. But Schwartz may be done. Ho hum another FA bust.
Corey Washington is an NFL starter. Eerily similar to Cruz 2010 preseason.
Ryan Nassib. Keeper.
I would only keep the two veteran TEs if healthy for now. Have to pick up someone's cuts.
Do you people still think Conner is better than Hynoski?
Right now, I think Hyno has the position. I am hoping the Giants can pull off some kind of trade for an OL or maybe a veteran will be an early cut. We need a body.
so I doubt we get "smoked." My expectations are as low as everyone else's, but the offense took some baby steps tonight. At the end of last season all we had was Eli, Cruz and Pugh. We can add two good backs to that mix, and we'll see where we are with Beckham, Washington and Randle. Richburg looks like a keeper. Rome wasn't built in a day.
is looking like a really big problem for Eli and the offense. I don't think we challenged the middle of the field once. Donnell killed one drive with two penalties; maybe some good blocking in run game but invisible otherwise. I think Manningham is gone and Jernigan should be.
we probably get smoked...That OL looks terrible...
One thing why does the 2nd team communicate more at the LOS with the QB and point out potential blitzers more than the 1st team? Noticed that even in the Colts game.
Our 2's scored on a 20 yards drive against the Jets 1's
after the fumble. The other TD's were against the Jets backups. I was listening to the Jets radio station and they made a point of saying this. The Eli 91 yd drive against the Jets 1's was pretty impressive.
look at the plays we can during the 2 min drill and see if we can add similar up tempo plays and go from there. At least it's good that BM and the QBs communicate on what to add and what to take out.
Offense struggled. But that was expected, with the jets defense. To me, that's the challenge, this offensive line needed. And they did make some improvements. Overall, I think, the Giants can build off this.
but man do we need bodies. Jerry threw numbers at the position this year but most of it was dogshit unless Richburg does the unlikely and plays well as a rookie.
but man do we need bodies. Jerry threw numbers at the position this year but most of it was dogshit unless Richburg does the unlikely and plays well as a rookie.
I thought he was pretty good. I thought he was really good at RG. He got to the 2nd line a few times on the run game. I think he would be better than Mosley, but with Schwartz out.... we may just have to hold our breath with Mosley and hope for the best.
after the fumble. The other TD's were against the Jets backups. I was listening to the Jets radio station and they made a point of saying this. The Eli 91 yd drive against the Jets 1's was pretty impressive.
So offense in a hurry up situation setting means positive/impressive?
But offense in a normal situation in the red zone against the same defense should be dismissed?
I had wanted to get rid of Nassib, and tonight he ran . . . .
the offense better than Eli. He's more athletic. And Eli has looked poor since the second preseason game. But all that will change once the regular season starts.
Right?
This is going to sound wrong, but isn't the Marcus Harris
injury conducive to an IR, redshirt type season? Too many WRs for them all to make the squad, a 4 week injury could easily be deemed 6 weeks, at which point what the hell, just IR him.
Not to make light of his injury, of course, but that it could be somewhat advantageous.
Running game was great. We pushed around a great front 7.
Walton and Richburg both good in pass and run blocking from what I seen.
Eli in that 2 minute drill. A side from that awful pass to Cruz on the non INT.
McAdoo's play calling - especially on that last drive.
DaMonster
Nassib, Parker, Williams, Washington all looked great.
-'s
Beatty and Schwartz - both where on Roller Skates all night. Beatty better wake his ass up.
TEs - a side from their penalties they contributed zilch !
When we blitz we still have our corners 10 yards off the ball, makes zero sense.
JPP - he looks like he doesn't even want to play, he better wake up come week 1.
Charles James - he didn't look good on that one drive for the TD.
And the biggest crapola of them all....
THE REFS.
Game started and 7:30 and felt like it just ended 15 minutes ago. These flags are ridiculous. What about Mario getting rocked out of bounds... No flag ?
injury conducive to an IR, redshirt type season? Too many WRs for them all to make the squad, a 4 week injury could easily be deemed 6 weeks, at which point what the hell, just IR him.
Not to make light of his injury, of course, but that it could be somewhat advantageous.
What are you arguing? That its commonplace for a rookie to come in, start, and do well for all 16 games at any position? If you're saying its just possible, I never said it was impossible.
RE: RE: This is going to sound wrong, but isn't the Marcus Harris
injury conducive to an IR, redshirt type season? Too many WRs for them all to make the squad, a 4 week injury could easily be deemed 6 weeks, at which point what the hell, just IR him.
Not to make light of his injury, of course, but that it could be somewhat advantageous.
You mean like they did with Cruz?
With the most violent of hamstring injuries, exactly.
but can block. Kellen Davis almost got Jennings killed on that embarrassing whiff. They have to acquire someone in the next 13 days.
I've defended Eli all along due to the shitty o-line (which was shitty again tonight), but no one can defend the plays when he doesn't throw the ball away. They almost turned the ball on 2 separate occasions.
Thank GOD Nassib has taken over the backup spot... no roster spot will be wasted on Painter.
I've been adamant that Jernigan won't get cut, but I'm not so sure anymore. He has been as bad as humanly possible in these games.
The defensive linemen have seen a screen pass before, right?
RE: At this point, I'd settle for a TE who literally cannot run or catch,
but can block. Kellen Davis almost got Jennings killed on that embarrassing whiff. They have to acquire someone in the next 13 days.
I've defended Eli all along due to the shitty o-line (which was shitty again tonight), but no one can defend the plays when he doesn't throw the ball away. They almost turned the ball on 2 separate occasions.
Thank GOD Nassib has taken over the backup spot... no roster spot will be wasted on Painter.
I've been adamant that Jernigan won't get cut, but I'm not so sure anymore. He has been as bad as humanly possible in these games.
The defensive linemen have seen a screen pass before, right?
Previously, I'd have said you always had a good chance of picking up a serviceable blocking tight end after final cuts, but I'm not sure there's that many in the league now following the growth in move and extremely athletic receiving tight ends.
but can block. Kellen Davis almost got Jennings killed on that embarrassing whiff. They have to acquire someone in the next 13 days.
I've defended Eli all along due to the shitty o-line (which was shitty again tonight), but no one can defend the plays when he doesn't throw the ball away. They almost turned the ball on 2 separate occasions.
Thank GOD Nassib has taken over the backup spot... no roster spot will be wasted on Painter.
I've been adamant that Jernigan won't get cut, but I'm not so sure anymore. He has been as bad as humanly possible in these games.
The defensive linemen have seen a screen pass before, right?
Previously, I'd have said you always had a good chance of picking up a serviceable blocking tight end after final cuts, but I'm not sure there's that many in the league now following the growth in move and extremely athletic receiving tight ends.
Well then, I'd settle for one of those extremely athletic receiving tight ends. :)
is playing its amazing how little help hes getting. first drive jernigan drops a 3rd down conversion
then we cant go 2 plays without a sack or somebody running unblocked into the backfield. its such a bad brand of football
nassib has the perfect skillset for the WCO. the TD pass to hynoski eli would've been sacked. nassib easily escapes the pressure and finds hyno on the run. other than eli it's been a long time since we've had a drafted QB looking this promising
...you'd think Nassib was the veteran and Eli the rookie. Eli looks dreadful, and frankly I suspect that his glory is well behind him. The question thus becomes....how many INTs and fumbles does he give up before Nassib gets his shot? My guess...Nassib sees nothing past past preseason.
Eli, Tom, and Reese...better be on a very short leash this season.
Just watched Coughlin t/w players in the locker room after the game.
You both work for me
Also, with the exception of Cruz we have no real proven receiving talent. I hope Randle is better in the regular season than what he has shown to date.
TE - ha ha ha.
a ton of work to do on the offensive line.
I don't know how Jernigan makes this team.
disappointed in the run defense.
I hope JPP is ok.
Damontre Moore is getting better every game.
Nassib is playing great.
I'm concerned about Schwartz. Not because he's injured, but because he's been bad and will start because he's getting paid.
Nassib, Jennings, Williams, Talley, DaMonster looked good.
Best of all that fat fuck Ryan does not get his Snoopy.
a ton of work to do on the offensive line.
I don't know how Jernigan makes this team.
disappointed in the run defense.
I hope JPP is ok.
Damontre Moore is getting better every game.
Nassib is playing great.
Nothing from the TEs. James and Jackson were awful. Run D was suspect.
Nassib again looked very good. As did Washington, Moore, Williams, and Parker.
Injuries are the key. Kuhn, Bowman, and JPP don't look serious. Hopefully. Harris and Schwartz could be out for awhile. Harris maybe to IR.
Think JJ is in trouble now. Brewer as well. Gaines seems more stable.
2. Eli gets his groove back on final drive
3. Nassib has a future
4. Moore could leapfrog JJP soon
3. Washington is 3rd or 4th receiver
Eli's two minute drill drive looked promising. Still think he's "hearing footsteps" and lost confidence in OL. Can overcome that get back up to par..Season will tell. OL even with that last drive..still has me concerned. Is Richburgh ready to step in when it gets real at LG or not?
Until the offense has more than 1 possession other than the 2 minute warning in a game, its still reasonable to be suspect of what this team can do. They had 90 yards with 2 minutes to go in the first half.
The OL actually looked NFL caliber once Richburg took over for Schwartz. Beatty whiffed once, but I thought he held up ok. I haven't given up on that unit yet - I think there's a combination that can be halfway decent.
Running backs looked good. We desperately need Beckham to get healthy. If he's in the mix with Cruz, Randle and Washington, that could be fun.
Nice to see Eli have a bounce to his step and a few smiles after that TD drive. He needed it.
I feel a LITTLE better after tonight, so I'll take it.
Coughlin said Schwartz injury is "pretty serious"
And Cruz was a factor and played better. Only mistake was not going out of bounds at the end of the half. Jennings is going to be a horse this year.
Tom Coughlin said Geoff Schwartz's injury is "serious ... It's hard to play with a toe that's not functioning."
I think they IR Harris, they've liked him enough to keep him on the PS. His injury shouldn't be a career limiting one unless he's been horribly unlucky, and he's done well enough to swallow the salary until next year.
Coughlin said Schwartz injury is "pretty serious"
Sounds like there might have been a break then.
He's looked like shit, but if Richburg has to play whichever RG/LG he was supposed to, that means Moseley or Jerry are going to have to start... and that isn't likely to be pretty.
Pass blocking is an issue.
Pass blocking is an issue.
Good post. If they can get 3rd and 3s or shorter, It will only help the passing game. Thought Richberg played much better tonight.
I think both Jernigan and Manningham should be gone, but they are getting the reps, so.......?
I think both Jernigan and Manningham should be gone, but they are getting the reps, so.......?
The other way to look at this is that Manningham, Talley, and Parker were put out there because the coaches wanted to give them one last look. None of them have really stood out like Washington or Harris have.
There's no way Washington doesn't make the team. I believe you're looking at the lack of reps the wrong way.
If it's dislocation and not a break, it's probably just a pain management issue. But any foot injury to OL can be a massive issue.
Corey Washington is an NFL starter. Eerily similar to Cruz 2010 preseason.
Ryan Nassib. Keeper.
I would only keep the two veteran TEs if healthy for now. Have to pick up someone's cuts.
Do you people still think Conner is better than Hynoski?
Corey Washington is an NFL starter. Eerily similar to Cruz 2010 preseason.
Ryan Nassib. Keeper.
I would only keep the two veteran TEs if healthy for now. Have to pick up someone's cuts.
Do you people still think Conner is better than Hynoski?
Geoff Schwartz will have an MRI tomorrow, which will be telling. Giants hoping for just a few weeks, not the alternative. Both in play.
Rookie WR Marcus Harris has AC joint shoulder injury. Out 3-4 weeks. "I hope they keep me around," he said. #nyg
Geoff Schwartz will have an MRI tomorrow, which will be telling. Giants hoping for just a few weeks, not the alternative. Both in play.
Corey Washington is an NFL starter. Eerily similar to Cruz 2010 preseason.
Ryan Nassib. Keeper.
I would only keep the two veteran TEs if healthy for now. Have to pick up someone's cuts.
Do you people still think Conner is better than Hynoski?
so after 4 preseaon games..Schwartz is a FA bust? C'mon now!
One thing why does the 2nd team communicate more at the LOS with the QB and point out potential blitzers more than the 1st team? Noticed that even in the Colts game.
Richburg looks promising so far
I thought he was pretty good. I thought he was really good at RG. He got to the 2nd line a few times on the run game. I think he would be better than Mosley, but with Schwartz out.... we may just have to hold our breath with Mosley and hope for the best.
Herzlich actually looks decent.
So offense in a hurry up situation setting means positive/impressive?
But offense in a normal situation in the red zone against the same defense should be dismissed?
Right?
Not to make light of his injury, of course, but that it could be somewhat advantageous.
Running game was great. We pushed around a great front 7.
Walton and Richburg both good in pass and run blocking from what I seen.
Eli in that 2 minute drill. A side from that awful pass to Cruz on the non INT.
McAdoo's play calling - especially on that last drive.
DaMonster
Nassib, Parker, Williams, Washington all looked great.
-'s
Beatty and Schwartz - both where on Roller Skates all night. Beatty better wake his ass up.
TEs - a side from their penalties they contributed zilch !
When we blitz we still have our corners 10 yards off the ball, makes zero sense.
JPP - he looks like he doesn't even want to play, he better wake up come week 1.
Charles James - he didn't look good on that one drive for the TD.
And the biggest crapola of them all....
THE REFS.
Game started and 7:30 and felt like it just ended 15 minutes ago. These flags are ridiculous. What about Mario getting rocked out of bounds... No flag ?
Not to make light of his injury, of course, but that it could be somewhat advantageous.
You mean like they did with Cruz?
What are you arguing? That its commonplace for a rookie to come in, start, and do well for all 16 games at any position? If you're saying its just possible, I never said it was impossible.
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injury conducive to an IR, redshirt type season? Too many WRs for them all to make the squad, a 4 week injury could easily be deemed 6 weeks, at which point what the hell, just IR him.
Not to make light of his injury, of course, but that it could be somewhat advantageous.
You mean like they did with Cruz?
With the most violent of hamstring injuries, exactly.
2. No TE = negative impact on running game, pass protection, and receiving.
I've defended Eli all along due to the shitty o-line (which was shitty again tonight), but no one can defend the plays when he doesn't throw the ball away. They almost turned the ball on 2 separate occasions.
Thank GOD Nassib has taken over the backup spot... no roster spot will be wasted on Painter.
I've been adamant that Jernigan won't get cut, but I'm not so sure anymore. He has been as bad as humanly possible in these games.
The defensive linemen have seen a screen pass before, right?
I've defended Eli all along due to the shitty o-line (which was shitty again tonight), but no one can defend the plays when he doesn't throw the ball away. They almost turned the ball on 2 separate occasions.
Thank GOD Nassib has taken over the backup spot... no roster spot will be wasted on Painter.
I've been adamant that Jernigan won't get cut, but I'm not so sure anymore. He has been as bad as humanly possible in these games.
The defensive linemen have seen a screen pass before, right?
Previously, I'd have said you always had a good chance of picking up a serviceable blocking tight end after final cuts, but I'm not sure there's that many in the league now following the growth in move and extremely athletic receiving tight ends.
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but can block. Kellen Davis almost got Jennings killed on that embarrassing whiff. They have to acquire someone in the next 13 days.
I've defended Eli all along due to the shitty o-line (which was shitty again tonight), but no one can defend the plays when he doesn't throw the ball away. They almost turned the ball on 2 separate occasions.
Thank GOD Nassib has taken over the backup spot... no roster spot will be wasted on Painter.
I've been adamant that Jernigan won't get cut, but I'm not so sure anymore. He has been as bad as humanly possible in these games.
The defensive linemen have seen a screen pass before, right?
Previously, I'd have said you always had a good chance of picking up a serviceable blocking tight end after final cuts, but I'm not sure there's that many in the league now following the growth in move and extremely athletic receiving tight ends.
Well then, I'd settle for one of those extremely athletic receiving tight ends. :)
then we cant go 2 plays without a sack or somebody running unblocked into the backfield. its such a bad brand of football
nassib has the perfect skillset for the WCO. the TD pass to hynoski eli would've been sacked. nassib easily escapes the pressure and finds hyno on the run. other than eli it's been a long time since we've had a drafted QB looking this promising
Eli, Tom, and Reese...better be on a very short leash this season.