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I Love Clams Casino : 8/23/2014 8:01 pm
If you're putting a cold piece of cheese on a hot burger after you take it off the grill, you're doing it wrong. Please stop. You put the cheese on the burger while it's still on the grill.....no cold cheese.....please......


That is all.
Agreed. Also....  
JerryNYG : 8/23/2014 8:06 pm : link
It is okay, and even encouraged to chop up mushrooms, peppers and onions really fine and mix them with salt, pepper and parmesean cheese, then work them into your ground beef mix.

Also, a small dimple on the top of your patty helps prevent "blowouts"

Also, you only need to flip burgers once... leave them the fuck alone the rest of the time
he's probably one of those that press down on the patties  
WeatherMan : 8/23/2014 8:08 pm : link
repeatedly while grilling and wonders why his burgers are dry
Brother in law  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/23/2014 8:15 pm : link
And ya can't say shit to these people.....too sensitive about everything....really wears on my nerves....and yes the burgers are in fact dry.
Where do you stand in regard to a buttered, toasted bun?  
Marty in Albany : 8/23/2014 8:16 pm : link
Is that gilding the lily?
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise  
WeatherMan : 8/23/2014 8:19 pm : link
dry burgers and cold, not melted on cheese... oof.
RE: Where do you stand in regard to a buttered, toasted bun?  
JerryNYG : 8/23/2014 8:35 pm : link
In comment 11822441 Marty in Albany said:
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Is that gilding the lily?


There is nothing wrong with honing all aspects of your burger game until it is vicious...
So, what you're really saying is...  
BMac : 8/23/2014 8:38 pm : link
...that Eli is cold cheese and Nassib is hot cheese!
RE: he's probably one of those that press down on the patties  
baadbill : 8/23/2014 8:56 pm : link
In comment 11822432 WeatherMan said:
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repeatedly while grilling and wonders why his burgers are dry


My 67 yo sister-in-law took over the grill last weekend during a family outing ... there were maybe 15 juicy burgers on the grill that were half way finished ... and within 10 seconds of taking over, she begins pressing down on each burger with the spatula ... I mean I went nuts ... I totally lost it ... "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" I screamed. "Just STOP!"

wtf? I mean, seriously, wtf?
Hmmm..  
Rick5 : 8/23/2014 9:00 pm : link
I'll have to try that. I've always brought a pot of water to a boil and then put a can of Cheez Wiz in it for about 5 minutes. You then bring the burgers in and spray the Cheez Wiz on top.
Another aspect that drives me crazy,  
Diver_Down : 8/23/2014 9:00 pm : link
is when the cold toppings are placed on the bottom bun with the hot burger on top. It is fucking backwards. The hot, juicy meat is placed on the bottom bun, and then dressed with cold toppings. When you bite into the burger, your taste-buds should be assaulted with the juice and flavor of the burger not a soon to be wilted piece of lettuce.
A tomato has no  
bob in tx : 8/23/2014 9:08 pm : link
business being on a burger. If you want a tomato, eat a salad or a BLT. But stay off my burger.
I have 3 ways of making a burger.  
Peter in Atlanta : 8/23/2014 9:11 pm : link
Gas grill...charcoal grill...and a flat top. The first 2 melt the cheese with a closed lid. The last one gets a small dome with water to steam the cheese.
RE: I have 3 ways of making a burger.  
Rick5 : 8/23/2014 9:15 pm : link
In comment 11822506 Peter in Atlanta said:
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Gas grill...charcoal grill...and a flat top. The first 2 melt the cheese with a closed lid. The last one gets a small dome with water to steam the cheese.

Didn't you post a picture with about 62 grills in your backyard a year or so ago? Do you really use all of those? LOL. That was impressive.
RE: A tomato has no  
WeatherMan : 8/23/2014 9:35 pm : link
In comment 11822504 bob in tx said:
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business being on a burger. If you want a tomato, eat a salad or a BLT. But stay off my burger.

Damn right.
Meh.  
Enoch : 8/23/2014 9:39 pm : link
If the bun is properly toasted, the cheese doesn't stay cold for long.
RE: RE: he's probably one of those that press down on the patties  
natefit : 8/23/2014 9:40 pm : link
In comment 11822493 baadbill said:
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In comment 11822432 WeatherMan said:


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repeatedly while grilling and wonders why his burgers are dry



My 67 yo sister-in-law took over the grill last weekend during a family outing ... there were maybe 15 juicy burgers on the grill that were half way finished ... and within 10 seconds of taking over, she begins pressing down on each burger with the spatula ... I mean I went nuts ... I totally lost it ... "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" I screamed. "Just STOP!"

wtf? I mean, seriously, wtf?


this has always amazed me. what is the thought process behind people who do this? Squeeze out the fat lol?
RE: A tomato has no  
lawguy9801 : 8/23/2014 9:47 pm : link
In comment 11822504 bob in tx said:
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business being on a burger. If you want a tomato, eat a salad or a BLT. But stay off my burger.


Ftw
I've started grilling onions for a burger topping, though  
lawguy9801 : 8/23/2014 9:49 pm : link
Now I can't eat one without them.
A burger is NOT a burger...  
x meadowlander : 8/23/2014 9:49 pm : link
...without the tomato, pickles and lettuce.

And for the love of God, TOAST THE ROLL. Takes 30 seconds.
I do have a real question...  
jgambrosio : 8/23/2014 9:52 pm : link
I've been buying pre-made burgers from fresh market lately (not frozen, I'm talking from the meat counter) with the "toppings" all mixed in with the meat - portabella & gouda, three cheese, blue cheese and bacon, etc.... when I stick the burgers on the grill, the cheese all melts out and it basically ends up being just beef. Is there any way to stop this??
Not a huge fan  
pjcas18 : 8/23/2014 10:06 pm : link
of tomato on a burger - and no one in my family is so we don't even serve them, but I do like a slice of red onion. and some bacon every now and then,

Also, lately been eating chopped onions on my hot dogs, different kind of onion, but they're pretty versatile.
using your hands, push it all back in  
natefit : 8/23/2014 10:07 pm : link
while theyre still on the grill
Is there any way to stop this??  
Bill in UT : 8/23/2014 10:15 pm : link
yeah, stop buying burgers with all the toppings mixed in. Seriously, it you want to do that, especially with cheese, you need a thick enough burger so there's a decent layer of meat above and below the cheese. I assume the burgers you buy are pressed down kinda flat. If not, they're just putting the cheese too close to the surface. It's called an inside-out burger, btw
RE: I do have a real question...  
JerryNYG : 8/23/2014 10:20 pm : link
In comment 11822548 jgambrosio said:
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I've been buying pre-made burgers from fresh market lately (not frozen, I'm talking from the meat counter) with the "toppings" all mixed in with the meat - portabella & gouda, three cheese, blue cheese and bacon, etc.... when I stick the burgers on the grill, the cheese all melts out and it basically ends up being just beef. Is there any way to stop this??


I don't buy them premade, but when I make them myself I use the following technique to avoid that:

1. Take the meat and roll it into a ball like you would a meatball.

2. Place the ball on a flat surface and gently apply pressure until it is evenly flat

3. Put the chopped up veggies, cheese, etc. on top of the flat meat, pressing it in gently.

4. Repeat the rolling into a ball part of the process.

5. Repeat the gently flattening process.

Generally speaking, once I get into the groove, it only takes a couple minutes per patty. I find I don't lose much out of them this way. Maybe you could just do steps four and five with your preformed patties? Also, if you put a little dimple on top of the patties when it is cooking it will be less likely to split and leak on the side so that might help also.
I think Clams  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/23/2014 10:22 pm : link
must've cut the cheese
RE: RE: I do have a real question...  
jgambrosio : 8/23/2014 10:35 pm : link
In comment 11822593 JerryNYG said:
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In comment 11822548 jgambrosio said:


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I don't buy them premade, but when I make them myself I use the following technique to avoid that:

1. Take the meat and roll it into a ball like you would a meatball.

2. Place the ball on a flat surface and gently apply pressure until it is evenly flat

3. Put the chopped up veggies, cheese, etc. on top of the flat meat, pressing it in gently.

4. Repeat the rolling into a ball part of the process.

5. Repeat the gently flattening process.

Generally speaking, once I get into the groove, it only takes a couple minutes per patty. I find I don't lose much out of them this way. Maybe you could just do steps four and five with your preformed patties? Also, if you put a little dimple on top of the patties when it is cooking it will be less likely to split and leak on the side so that might help also.


This is similar to what I do when I make them myself. We just get them premade because it's convenient... the lady gets home after 7 from work and myself even later generally. We tend to get them on the weekend, freeze if necessary, thaw and grill.
I use bubba burgers  
napoleon : 8/23/2014 10:55 pm : link
Does that make me lazy/uneducated??
RE: tomato on burgers  
Red Dog : 8/23/2014 11:26 pm : link
Tomato on burgers is just wrong. Turn them into ketchup and put that on burgers.

That is all.
If you're bothering to charcoal grill  
B in ALB : 8/23/2014 11:41 pm : link
burgers you've probably got too much time on your hands and it's amateur hour. Better to throw them on the flat top and steam the cheese with a cover and water. Gas grilled burgers are fine but if you have a stove top with a griddle or flat attachment the best burgers will be cooked there. You lose no fat and you can steam the last minute. Plus you can bang out bacon, onions, the buns, whatever and lose no flavor.
Our Recipe  
Fred-in-Florida : 8/24/2014 7:41 am : link
Usually has about 85% lean meat. Need a little fat to burn.

1 egg per pound of meat. A little ketchup. keeps the burger moist.
Chopped onion(sweet). Mix together.

We have Tupperware containers to form the patties. Generally about 1/4 lb. per patti.

Store in refrig or freeze them. Defrost but not all the way before grilling. Helps keep them from breaking up.

Flip ONE TIME and never press then burger! Loses all the juice!

Put any toppings mushrooms, peppers, onions with Cheese on top close the lid to melt!

Tomatoes are good on a burger..each to their own!

Another I like is a pizza burger.

Top with a large spoonful of 'Gravy' (not sauce). Sprinkle Mozzaralla(sp) cheese on the gravy. Close lid and melt cheese.

Warm bun on grill but don't toast it!



good burgers are made in a hot pan  
oghwga : 8/24/2014 8:16 am : link
Not on the grill. Grass Fed and pan fried
Here's the deal  
BigBlueShock : 8/24/2014 8:59 am : link
If you're adding shit to the meat, and mixing it up, that is meatloaf, not a burger. If you want stuff added to the burger, it goes on top.
Also Fred  
BigBlueShock : 8/24/2014 9:02 am : link
This is America. It is sauce, not gravy. Gravy goes on mashed potatoes.
RE: RE: I have 3 ways of making a burger.  
Peter in Atlanta : 8/24/2014 9:12 am : link
In comment 11822510 Rick5 said:
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In comment 11822506 Peter in Atlanta said:


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Gas grill...charcoal grill...and a flat top. The first 2 melt the cheese with a closed lid. The last one gets a small dome with water to steam the cheese.


Didn't you post a picture with about 62 grills in your backyard a year or so ago? Do you really use all of those? LOL. That was impressive.


I sold the S670 gas grill and gave the kettle charcoal grill away. I have and use Weber Performer, Smokey Mountain, and Summit Grill Center. I also have a Camp Chef Expedition with a flat top.
RE: Meh.  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/24/2014 10:57 am : link
In comment 11822532 Enoch said:
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If the bun is properly toasted, the cheese doesn't stay cold for long.


Enoch.....NO. no......and no.......NO. Please stop. If you've had guests and you've done this, trust me...they haven't said anything because they are being nice......there s no way the cheese is melted properly. The cheese must me completely melted, into liquid form, and hopefully some brown burnt edges....it so freakin easy. Why wouldn't you just put in on there before the burger is done and let the cheese do it's thing??? there's so little in life.....
another thing to consider  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 11:16 am : link
From what I can find, American cheese melts at about 145 degrees. Other cheeses, like Swiss or blue, melt considerably higher. So unless you like your burgers well done, it's going to be hard to melt cheese that's sitting in the middle of the meat.
RE: another thing to consider  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/24/2014 11:44 am : link
In comment 11822988 Bill in UT said:
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From what I can find, American cheese melts at about 145 degrees. Other cheeses, like Swiss or blue, melt considerably higher. So unless you like your burgers well done, it's going to be hard to melt cheese that's sitting in the middle of the meat.


Yes. Ya close the lid on the grill....problem solved.
Closing the grill will only help if the cheese is  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 11:47 am : link
on top. It will have no effect if the cheese is inside the burger, other than getting you to well-done faster or burning the burger from flames
As far as flipping goes  
T in NJ : 8/24/2014 2:02 pm : link
Flipping every 15 seconds reduces the cooking time to medium rare (125 degrees internal) by 2 minutes. And it reduces the percentage of over-cooked meat in the patty.

And since you should be resting your burgers 5 minutes before serving, this should give the cheese (which should be at room temperature) plenty of time to melt.

RE: As far as flipping goes  
T in NJ : 8/24/2014 2:12 pm : link
In comment 11823195 T in NJ said:
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Flipping every 15 seconds reduces the cooking time to medium rare (125 degrees internal) by 2 minutes. And it reduces the percentage of over-cooked meat in the patty.

And since you should be resting your burgers 5 minutes before serving, this should give the cheese (which should be at room temperature) plenty of time to melt.


Also should mention that this assumes that the patty is about 8oz and an inch and a half thick..
you BBQ snobs are insufferable  
M in CT : 8/24/2014 5:56 pm : link
great, you have a certain way that you like to cook your burger or eat your burger, but guess what? other people like other shit.

I like charcoal grilling burgers. I like mixing shit into my burgers. I like cold cheese on a hot burger AND tomato, AND an untoasted potato roll as my bun. and yes, I put ketchup on my hotdogs.

go fuck yourself.
but yeah  
M in CT : 8/24/2014 5:58 pm : link
anyone who presses the juices out of their burgers is an asshole.
I've never seen a professional chef recommend  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 6:04 pm : link
doing the flipsies
My wife starting  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 7:04 pm : link
putting lipton onion soup mix in the ground beef.

it's awesome.

RE: you BBQ snobs are insufferable  
eli4life : 8/24/2014 8:03 pm : link
In comment 11823473 M in CT said:
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great, you have a certain way that you like to cook your burger or eat your burger, but guess what? other people like other shit.

I like charcoal grilling burgers. I like mixing shit into my burgers. I like cold cheese on a hot burger AND tomato, AND an untoasted potato roll as my bun. and yes, I put ketchup on my hotdogs.

go fuck yourself.


Amen
If it tastes good  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 8:05 pm : link
Do it
RE: RE: you BBQ snobs are insufferable  
T in NJ : 8/24/2014 10:26 pm : link
In comment 11823643 eli4life said:
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In comment 11823473 M in CT said:


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great, you have a certain way that you like to cook your burger or eat your burger, but guess what? other people like other shit.

I like charcoal grilling burgers. I like mixing shit into my burgers. I like cold cheese on a hot burger AND tomato, AND an untoasted potato roll as my bun. and yes, I put ketchup on my hotdogs.

go fuck yourself.



Amen


Great, you like shit. Have at it.
RE: you BBQ snobs are insufferable  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/25/2014 8:20 am : link
In comment 11823473 M in CT said:
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great, you have a certain way that you like to cook your burger or eat your burger, but guess what? other people like other shit.

I like charcoal grilling burgers. I like mixing shit into my burgers. I like cold cheese on a hot burger AND tomato, AND an untoasted potato roll as my bun. and yes, I put ketchup on my hotdogs.

go fuck yourself.


Don't serve that shit to people...you're the only one who likes it that way....although I do agree with you on the tomato. Cold cheese, pffft....ya freakin deviant...
RE: A tomato has no  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/25/2014 8:35 am : link
In comment 11822504 bob in tx said:
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business being on a burger. If you want a tomato, eat a salad or a BLT. But stay off my burger.


Bah. Sacrilege. A fried egg is what doesn't belong on a burger.
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