Have not seen a Nassib was NOT a wasted pick thread yet.

Picks 1-4 (and 6) are Pugh, Hankins, Moore and Nassib. Cooper Taylor was starting to flash before his injury. Michael Cox is looking like a serviceable backup plus a source of awful puns. Herman may yet have a career.

Two weeks ago many wrote his obituary. Now he's looked good in two preseason games against non-ones and some want to anoint him the next big thing.

The signs have turned positive - but many backup QBs have ripped up preseason never to be heard from again.

Until he does it against a real starting caliber NFL defense in a game that counts no one really knows. If the OL performance does not improve we may find out about him sooner rather than later.

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hear aren't too keen on admitting when they were wrong. Just talk junk about guys without any rationale what so ever then fade to black when it's time to pay the piper.

may wind up pretty good as well....hell, before the year is up we may have found 4 legitimate starters in Beckham, Kennard, Richburg, and Williams

Behre appears to have a lot of potential and Bromley could develop into a solid backup/spot starter

don't know much about Jackson but that's not a bad result from 6 picks

than the Jets game

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may wind up pretty good as well....hell, before the year is up we may have found 4 legitimate starters in Beckham, Kennard, Richburg, and Williams Behre appears to have a lot of potential and Bromley could develop into a solid backup/spot starter don't know much about Jackson but that's not a bad result from 6 picks

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I was wrong.Time will tell but it may turn out to be brilliant.

However he has only played against the 2's and 3's. He only played against the Jets 1's for one drive after the fumble, which meant only going 20 yds. After that it was back to the 2's and 3's.

Remember Painter lit up the 2's and 3's also. I like him, but until I see him against the top competition I think we are getting ahead of ourselves.

true it is only 20, but the toughest 20 when defenses are packed in tight as a matter of fact they have a name for it"Red Zone" and most teams settle for FG's rather than TD's

Clearly has a better command of this offense than Eli at this point. Eli will get better so long as this line gets better. We must keep in mind though...a mobile QB will allow us to see this offense at it's heights.

Nassib is not even close to the QB Eli is, and if placed in for a game against the ones would look bad. Our offense only has a chance with Eli. I say this as a Nassib fan, and one who hoped Nassib can be our QB of the future.

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holy fracknuts...

I never condemned the picks for Nassib. I thought it was too early. It's still too early to praise the deal. But it's great to see him flash.

QB's who don't flash from time to time like Sanchez, will never be very good. Gino Smith has shown some very good play and he along with Nassib may become good QB's.

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and maybe Nassib turns out to be a better pro QB than E.J. Manuel, and maybe Doug Marrone "sux" for not taking him, and maybe Mark Sanchez doesn't "sux" when he gets competent coaching in a stable system and maybe the NFL is really, really hard and maybe Giants fans should consider that two championships in seven years really, really doesn't "sux."

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He was a wasted TWO picks because he cost them a 4th AND a 6th.

IF they had used those picks on OLs like they should have, maybe Eli would not have gotten hurt last year, and maybe he wouldn't have the deer-in-the-headlights behavior now because the midgets might actually have a decent OL now. Or at least a better one than the current slow-motion train wreck.

And note that I NEVER said that Nassib wasn't a good prospect.

Quite to the contrary, I said from the start that he was a good prospect, maybe the best QB prospect to come out last year, but that he didn't make much sense for the GIANTS considering their other extremely serious needs elsewhere.

Having two QBs that can play well but an OL that can't protect either one of them (with a sub-standard running game because the OL can't block well enough and no TEs to throw to, either) does not make any sense. Building on your major strengths while failing miserably to address your major weaknesses is just not a winning strategy. And that is exactly what they did by drafting Nassib.

Further, if they have effectively traded a two-time Super Bowl winning QB that should have several good seasons left for a new guy that has proved absolutely nothing yet, that is more of the totally unnecessary roster churning that is increasingly becoming Reese's M.O., and something that pretty much guarantees that he will continually have major holes in the roster somewhere.

Also note that if Nassib does push Eli aside, they won't get much, if anything, for Eli in trade. They'll just end up releasing him. (And for Eli fans, that almost certainly means no HOF for him either.)

And if they haven't effectively traded Eli for Nassib, there is a very good chance that Nassib will be gone as a free agent after his first contract, just like Griffin, Cofield, Manningham, Nicks, and L. Joseph, which is a further mis-use of scare resources.

Finally, if Nassib does not develop into a winning QB - remember, he is currently beating up on reserve defenders who are mostly going to be out of the league in a couple more weeks - he's still a waste of two draft picks.

So unless Nassib turns out to be another Hostetler-like season-and-Super-Bowl-savior, and I don't see how that happens with this very questionable offensive team around who ever is behind center (plus the other roster issues), the situation just does not turn out well for the team as a whole.

All that said, Eli and Nassib are both GIANTS now and I will continue to root for both of them, and hope they have a good time when they are home during the playoffs. It's not their fault.

I forget that nassib was 6+4, my ohh my would i like that OL depth... I still puzzle about this pick.

Need more good fat guys.

not named Manning gets a SB ring. So, whether Nassib is his successor, or someone else, I wouldn't get all excited. It's going to be a long, lonely 20 years.

Nassib has shown the ability to learn and execute the offense. That is exactly what you want from a second year backup. Bitching about the level of competition is lame. He's gaining great experience and hopefully will be an asset on the sideline and meeting room. And really more than anything hopefully he can execute the offense with consistency during the week with twos. Who are of course a play away from being the ones. Him succeeding isn't a statement on Manning yet, but hopefully soon it will be. Completion and depth is a very, very good thing.

To complacent because tc is soft s him...
he needs a change...I said 2 weeks ago if lions
crush us Arizona game fans will be chanting
nassib.....people laughed..we'll see

To cut bait ASAP. Nassib has obviously shown he's every bit as capable as Eli whose ability to throw off his back is a major weakness. Time to move on

Nassib reminds me of Drew Brees. Compact, quick throwing motions - just enough mobility to extend plays. This is his coming out party - very much like Cruz a few years ago. You can't ignore his play. The idea of having a backup plan after Manning is great to think about - especially if he's tailor-made for this system. Give him another year to develop and if Manning stumbles then the job is all his. Crazy to think Manning's days may be numbered but you always cut bait too soon rather than too late.

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Nassib reminds me of Drew Brees. Compact, quick throwing motions - just enough mobility to extend plays. This is his coming out party - very much like Cruz a few years ago. You can't ignore his play. The idea of having a backup plan after Manning is great to think about - especially if he's tailor-made for this system. Give him another year to develop and if Manning stumbles then the job is all his. Crazy to think Manning's days may be numbered but you always cut bait too soon rather than too late.

Better to cut bait sooner rather than later. But I don't think Eli is "done" per se. Last year's talent was atrocious and he did his best. This year, we are a little better overall I think. WR concerns me as much as our OL. I think Eli will have a solid season due to less turnovers and Nassib will have a year to continue to watch and learn. Next year, who knows?

and then win another with his replacement?

I can't believe people here are honestly talking about Nassib being the next starting QB for the NY Giants.

The odds of that happening are about as good as McAdoo being the next HC. Heck, I'm guessing a good part of BBI actually believes the next era is here and McAdoo/Nassib will be adding a Lombardi to the Giants' trophy case.

The next SB winning QB will be as long as it was waiting from Title to Simms and then again from Simms to Manning.

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It's just as idiotic proclaiming him anothing more than a fringe player as it is calling him a wasted pick. This offseason has been like a retardo tug of war between the chicken little shitheads who think the big blue sky is falling and have their panties in a bunch over who the Giants didn't draft, and the turds who want every second and third teamer to start.

isn't every offseason like that?

How about the 49ers? Montana, then Young.

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How about the 49ers? Montana, then Young.

Yup. And Manning then Luck (no SB yet but a GREAT QB).

The point is, however, that the odds are very much against. From a probability standpoint, it is much more likely to take 15-20 years to find Manning's replacement (defined as the next QB who starts for the Giants for a decade - even without a SB).

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How about the 49ers? Montana, then Young.

Favre then Rodgers.

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He was a wasted TWO picks because he cost them a 4th AND a 6th. IF they had used those picks on OLs like they should have, maybe Eli would not have gotten hurt last year, and maybe he wouldn't have the deer-in-the-headlights behavior now because the midgets might actually have a decent OL now. Or at least a better one than the current slow-motion train wreck.

Totally disagree. Who's to say your 4th and 6th round Olines don't turn out to be turds? If Nassib can become an effective backup for Eli using only 2 QB's, he is well worth a 4th and 6th.

If Nassib eventually becomes good enough to take the torch from Eli, it will be an amazing value pick.

If Nassib becomes good enough for the Giants to get a 1st or 2nd round pick from another team, this will have been a great value also.

Therefore my man, we cannot make any conclusions until we see what happens with Eli and Nassib. What I can tell you is that if Eli misses a few games and Nassib plays well this year, we'll all be damn glad to have given a 4th and 6th.

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Favre then Rodgers.

Another good one. There aren't many.

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In comment 11823367 Klaatu said: Quote: How about the 49ers? Montana, then Young. Yup. And Manning then Luck (no SB yet but a GREAT QB). The point is, however, that the odds are very much against. From a probability standpoint, it is much more likely to take 15-20 years to find Manning's replacement (defined as the next QB who starts for the Giants for a decade - even without a SB).

Baadbill - do mean 15-20 years from now? To find a quality starting QB...i think that is too pessimistic.

See you guys in 20 years.

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Baadbill - do mean 15-20 years from now? To find a quality starting QB...i think that is too pessimistic.

I'm just going with history. When Title retired, nobody thought it would take 15 years to replace him. Same thing for Simms. And that's just the Giants. In the modern history of the NFL, so far we've come up with:
* Montana/Young
* Farve/Rodgers
* Peyton Manning/Luck

Of course you can believe it will be easier than that. I mean, after all, that is what Giant fans thought in 1963. And again in 1993. Why should it be any different when Manning is done?

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Of course you can believe it will be easier than that. I mean, after all, that is what Giant fans thought in 1963. And again in 1993. Why should it be any different when Manning is done?

You have to plan for it and prepare to take some educated risks. (Nassib for a 4th and 6th.) You have to have scouts that really can judge college QBs effectively. You have to know when to cut bait with your former star and either trade for your target guy or draft him.

It's difficult but there probably are 10 very good starting QBs in the NFL at any one time.

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It's difficult but there probably are 10 very good starting QBs in the NFL at any one time.

It's real difficult - which is why so few teams can successfully do it.

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It's real difficult - which is why so few teams can successfully do it.

In Reese we trust?

have moved onto successful seasons shortly after losing/changing QBs that have led them to championships.

If you are saying the measurment stick is just Superbowls then the list may be short as mentioned above. Not sure why Manning/Lick are there though.

But if you are saying just find a quality QB that can get them back to playoffs then the list should be much larger.

spelling problems abound as I type fast...

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have moved onto successful seasons shortly after losing/changing QBs that have led them to championships. If you are saying the measurment stick is just Superbowls then the list may be short as mentioned above. Not sure why Manning/Lick are there though. But if you are saying just find a quality QB that can get them back to playoffs then the list should be much larger.

The issue isn't moving TO a Championship after changing QB. Rather, the issue is moving FROM a Championship winning QB. It takes time.

Here's my test. Forget Championships. Instead, just look at teams that have had a QB for 7 straight years. How long was it before that team had another QB for 7 straight years? Defining it this way, we're just looking at a "franchise QB" defined as a starter for 7 straight years. And then - once you have one, how long does it take to replace him with another?

I'm going to say it takes at least 10 years and probably an average of 15-20 years.

We should all hope that Eli is about to bounce back in a big way. Regardless, having a backup waiting in the wings will add some comfort if we find that Eli is truly in decline.

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In comment 11823493 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: have moved onto successful seasons shortly after losing/changing QBs that have led them to championships. If you are saying the measurment stick is just Superbowls then the list may be short as mentioned above. Not sure why Manning/Lick are there though. But if you are saying just find a quality QB that can get them back to playoffs then the list should be much larger. The issue isn't moving TO a Championship after changing QB. Rather, the issue is moving FROM a Championship winning QB. It takes time. Here's my test. Forget Championships. Instead, just look at teams that have had a QB for 7 straight years. How long was it before that team had another QB for 7 straight years? Defining it this way, we're just looking at a "franchise QB" defined as a starter for 7 straight years. And then - once you have one, how long does it take to replace him with another? I'm going to say it takes at least 10 years and probably an average of 15-20 years.

It probably takes time for one of two reasons...1) the QB in house doesn't just die overnight, he dies a slow death so no change is happening quickly and an early draft pick from an awful season is not yet available, and 2) franchises don't cut bait soon enough...they remember the seasons gone by and think that magic can be rekindled.

QBs for seven straight years are few and far between anyway so the idea that is the measurement stick for how a franchise wins the SB or not is one of many factors.

You could be right about the potential OL picks turning into turds.

But if Nassib plays some games this season because Eli is hurt due to incompetent OL play, all the team has succeeded in doing is shooting itself in the foot. With a .45 I might add, and that makes a big hole.

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You could be right about the potential OL picks turning into turds. But if Nassib plays some games this season because Eli is hurt due to incompetent OL play, all the team has succeeded in doing is shooting itself in the foot. With a .45 I might add, and that makes a big hole.

Agreed.

gambler's fallacy. For the most part there's nothing stopping teams from drafting a top QB after one was drafted before (I guess it makes it harder to get a high first rounder because the team will probably be good, but most QBs don't come from that high up anyway). The reason great QBs don't often happen back to back is because it's because it's rare that you get a great QB to begin with so just drafting two great QBs is tough, but say there are 4 QBs in 20 years after the great QB (Eli in this case), the chances of drafting a Great-Not Great- Not Great-Not Great QB are exactly the same as drafting a Not Great-Not Great-Not Great-Great QB.

Now, everyone is sucking him off. Let's be realistic. He is playing well, but lets not anoint him the next starter yet. He is doing in this in the preseason and most of it has not been against the number one defense.

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gambler's fallacy. For the most part there's nothing stopping teams from drafting a top QB after one was drafted before (I guess it makes it harder to get a high first rounder because the team will probably be good, but most QBs don't come from that high up anyway). The reason great QBs don't often happen back to back is because it's because it's rare that you get a great QB to begin with so just drafting two great QBs is tough, but say there are 4 QBs in 20 years after the great QB (Eli in this case), the chances of drafting a Great-Not Great- Not Great-Not Great QB are exactly the same as drafting a Not Great-Not Great-Not Great-Great QB.

I agree with your analysis. It simply verifies mine and my point. The odds are very good that it is going to take time to replace Manning simply because it isn't easy to draft a great QB, no less to do it back to back.

But these preseason I told you so threads are juvenile at best.