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I fear it's going to be a long year, my friends...

Damon : 8/23/2014 11:56 pm
I apologize if I'm captain obvious here.. But I'm usually guilty of being too optimistic... The O-Line sucks. Period. Beatty is done. We don't know what we'll have with Schwartz, and aside from Pugh it's a bunch of ?s.

The Defense will be formidable.. But that's very contingent on Beason coming back along with Prince. Prince and DRC are a dynamic tandem on the outside... But without Beason, McClain will lead the league in tackles +5 yards. He's slow and unimpressive.

Sure it would take a while for the new offense to fire on all cylinders... But with that porous O-Line... I fear Eli is going to be in trouble all year.
I thought you were going to tell us it was leap year  
dep026 : 8/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
but this year will be as long as the 75% of the years we live in.
Okay.  
SoDev : 8/24/2014 12:09 am : link
Thanks for letting us know.
A year on Saturn  
BigBlue in Keys : 8/24/2014 12:23 am : link
Is equal to nearly 30 Earth years.
I have to confess:  
81_Great_Dane : 8/24/2014 12:24 am : link
For the first time, I'm really concerned about Eli. He looks like a turnover machine. He got a little lucky on some plays last night or we'd be in full-on meltdown.

Yes, the O-line is a problem, but so what? Every QB gets hurried. Every QB gets hit. Not every QB fumbles or throws the ball to the other team as often as Eli.

He's far from a rookie, he should know better.
It may be worse than that.  
Josh in MD : 8/24/2014 12:51 am : link
Not sure that the defense will be strong. Good corners and perhaps good against the run once Beason returns. But zero pass rush. Pierre-Paul may be as washed up as Beatty.
The Giants primary problem this year will be the same problem  
GeofromNJ : 8/24/2014 12:58 am : link
they had last year. They lack a tight end who can block and is also a receiving threat. I said it last year, and I'll say it again. Reese's biggest failure was failing to resign Martellus Bennett. With Bennett on the roster last year, the Giants make the playoffs. This year, the running game will be better because the running backs are better, but without a tight end to block on running plays, provide protection on blitzes, and be a legitimate receiving threat, all of which Bennett was, the Giants will have trouble sustaining drives.
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SoZKillA : 8/24/2014 1:39 am : link
Okay.

See you next August for training camp.
What a fiasco that Bennett affair was.  
Reese's Pieces : 8/24/2014 2:18 am : link
Sign him away from his obscurity with the Cowboys, coach him up to a good two way tight end, then hand him over to the Bears. Maybe the Bears will do us a favor some day.

From what I remember reading, Bennett wasn't one of those guys who learned to love Coughlin's eccentricities. Really, isn't it time Coughlin ditched his "five minutes early" rule?

Next thing you know, Reese will be putting a Super Bowl countdown clock in the locker room.
here are some positives tho  
ANGPASS : 8/24/2014 2:19 am : link
1-Richburg is now a starter (hopefully we don't care when schwartz comes back)
2-the kid washington looks pretty good and is a big body wR we all were hoping we would have on the roster
3-Oh yea, OBJ is still in our back pocket
4-Damonster looks pretty legit
5-the run game looks pretty good that play action could work out better than recent years
6-andre williams looks like a stud to complement jennings
7-Nassib looks really good. i was a little skeptical on him before becasue he always seems to throw bullets for every pass. but he showed a lot on touch on his throws against the colts and jets that i am sold he will be good. this is a great system for him


So we won't win the superbowl this year. we have a pretty good future i think.
RE: here are some positives tho  
AcidTest : 8/24/2014 6:55 am : link
In comment 11822690 ANGPASS said:
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1-Richburg is now a starter (hopefully we don't care when schwartz comes back)
2-the kid washington looks pretty good and is a big body wR we all were hoping we would have on the roster
3-Oh yea, OBJ is still in our back pocket
4-Damonster looks pretty legit
5-the run game looks pretty good that play action could work out better than recent years
6-andre williams looks like a stud to complement jennings
7-Nassib looks really good. i was a little skeptical on him before becasue he always seems to throw bullets for every pass. but he showed a lot on touch on his throws against the colts and jets that i am sold he will be good. this is a great system for him


So we won't win the superbowl this year. we have a pretty good future i think.


Good list. To it I would add: (8) Hankins looks really good, and (9) our secondary is strong, with DRC, Prince, and Thurmond. Biggest problem is the OL, especially since Eli is so immobile. We saw in at the end of the first half what Eli can do if given time, but I doubt this OL can create that much time for him on a regular basis. Second biggest problem of course is no TE. This is where criticism of Reese is legitimate IMO.
Picture looks a lot brighter  
PhilSimms15 : 8/24/2014 7:23 am : link
If and when our first round pick gets on the field. Just a few months ago, ODB was rated as a near can't miss prospect and Giants were lauded for grabbing him.

With his speed, route running ability and great hands, Eli gets another high quality weapon.

We just have to hope the hamstring injury is a blip and not the beginning of an injury prone career.
I think the early going could be rough. New Offense, new O-Line  
Victor in CT : 8/24/2014 7:23 am : link
lack of weapons.

Defense lacking a pass rush.

September could be ugly. If the OL gels and they pick up the offense they could finish strong. Both big "IFs".
Picture looks a lot brighter  
PhilSimms15 : 8/24/2014 7:24 am : link
If and when our first round pick gets on the field. Just a few months ago, OBJ was rated as a near can't miss prospect and Giants were lauded for grabbing him.

With his speed, route running ability and great hands, Eli gets another high quality weapon.

We just have to hope the hamstring injury is a blip and not the beginning of an injury prone career.
Oh the negativity  
blueblood'11 : 8/24/2014 7:50 am : link
Damon, you must have been reading Ralph Vacchiano in the Daily News today. How the fuck does he know the addition of Richburg as a result of Schwartz going down isn't a positive rather than a negative. Richburg was on the line for the two minute drive at the end of the half. It's no coincidence the line played better on that side when he went in.

Sometimes when shit like that happens it's forces your hand and viola. I remember when Rich Suebert eventually got his chance. I don't recall who he replaced but like a lot of others I said to myself who the hell is this guy.

Yeah the Giants have had a lot to work through but there are a lot of able bodied players on this team and you just never know in this league. When things come together and it all starts to click you have a chance. I'm usually a pessimist when it comes to football because of all the parameters that make it so difficult to keep teams together.

The one thing the Giants have is depth and a lot of it at every position. That may be something of an advantage as the season goes along that will serve them well as the inevitable attrition factor takes it toll on everyone. No team can avoid it. It's just the way it is in the NFL.
RE: What a fiasco that Bennett affair was.  
BMac : 8/24/2014 8:01 am : link
In comment 11822689 Reese's Pieces said:
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Sign him away from his obscurity with the Cowboys, coach him up to a good two way tight end, then hand him over to the Bears. Maybe the Bears will do us a favor some day.

From what I remember reading, Bennett wasn't one of those guys who learned to love Coughlin's eccentricities. Really, isn't it time Coughlin ditched his "five minutes early" rule?

Next thing you know, Reese will be putting a Super Bowl countdown clock in the locker room.


It had NOTHING to do with Coughlin. The Giants wouldn't/couldn't match the Bears' offer. Remember, they were tight against the cap at that point.
Schwartz  
RetroJint : 8/24/2014 8:04 am : link
is not a great player. The problem with Richburg playing LOG is he is also the back-up C, who is a reclamation project. & you have to keep Reynolds, who stinks.
Early schedule is favorable  
mikeinbloomfield : 8/24/2014 8:04 am : link
No playoff teams until Philly in week 6. Might give the offense time to work out the kinks.
The question is  
COLT46 : 8/24/2014 8:04 am : link
the Defense going to step up until the offense gets its shit together? Is big brother going to look out for "little brother", until he can look out for himself?
RE: It may be worse than that.  
deadkurtrulz : 8/24/2014 8:13 am : link
In comment 11822669 Josh in MD said:
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Not sure that the defense will be strong. Good corners and perhaps good against the run once Beason returns. But zero pass rush. Pierre-Paul may be as washed up as Beatty.


This is how I feel as well. Everybody assumes the D will be solid with all our proven pass rushers gone. Every NFL QB will pick us apart if he is sitting back there with no rush. Even Geno Smith looked confident and composed and he stinks. It's a passing league and without pressure the D can't get off the field. We all debate the skill positions endlessly but it does not matter much when you are weak at the core. Giants have real issues on the OL/DL and it severely limits their chances for success this year.
Eli is a drop back QB  
natefit : 8/24/2014 8:22 am : link
trying to run a West Coast O. That seems like a bad fit.
hahaha  
aquidneck : 8/24/2014 8:28 am : link
11-5 bitches!
I don't get this  
BigBlueShock : 8/24/2014 8:28 am : link
"Beatty is done" nonsense. Are you guys watching the games? He's actually looked ok, considering the amount of time that he's been away. Sure he's had some moments, but isn't that what preseason is for? Yes, he was awful last year, but he was pretty damn good two years ago. Hopefully we get THAT Beatty back.
It was always going to be a long year.  
Klaatu : 8/24/2014 9:18 am : link
Anyone who thinks otherwise is sadly mistaken. I don't think it's going to be an unmitigated disaster (say, 2-4 wins), I do think the Giants will be more competitive than they were last year, but they're still far from being serious contenders.

The Giants are still paying the price for bad drafting, bad luck, and a lack of foresight. As far as the draft goes, I think they've turned a corner philosophically (which is why I'm not in the "Fire Reese" camp just yet), but they're going to need another productive offseason to be able to compete with the truly elite teams.
Things are going to continue to look bad probably through  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/24/2014 9:31 am : link
game 2 - Hoping for a spark as it comes together and the GMen go on a run - the Oline looked surprisingly good after Schwartz came off the field - I don't get it - but it did
RE: I don't get this  
UberAlias : 8/24/2014 9:53 am : link
In comment 11822783 BigBlueShock said:
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"Beatty is done" nonsense. Are you guys watching the games? He's actually looked ok, considering the amount of time that he's been away. Sure he's had some moments, but isn't that what preseason is for? Yes, he was awful last year, but he was pretty damn good two years ago. Hopefully we get THAT Beatty back.


They all took turns getting beat on Thursday. Drive after drive ended with a punt and each time pressure was at the root. I did not see one guy getting killed, they all took turns. When they finally got it together on that last drive things took off.
More than any preseason in recent memory, I find it difficult to  
baadbill : 8/24/2014 10:32 am : link
get a sense of how this team will perform this year. However, I'm going to make a prediction that sounds crazy at this point, but I seriously believe will prove true:

The Giants offense will be the strength of this team and the lack of a pass rush on D will be its Achilles heel.

In addition, the Giants offense is going to perform very differently in Game 1 than what it has shown thus far in preseason. For game 1 they will be practicing a game plan that will be a small fraction of the playbook - and will have practiced that game plan for two full weeks. And it is going to make a world of difference imo.
The team looked better in this game  
JonC : 8/24/2014 10:57 am : link
They're showing signs of progress, cohesion, confidence, etc. Players looked like their assignments are making sense and there was an assertiveness to their play.

The roster has holes; he OL is short on talent, which impacts Eli's confidence and performance, etc. I'm still not of the belief we've got enough firepower to consistently generate a pass rush with our DE unit as is.

But, it's still early, the team should improve as long as it stays healthy. Need leaders to emerge ...

Its too early for this, and I am still positive  
PatersonPlank : 8/24/2014 11:06 am : link
The Jets game was much better. They have 2 more weeks to keep improving. I am still expecting the offense to put up big numbers versus Detroit.
How was the jet game better?  
dontboobigblue : 8/24/2014 12:37 pm : link
Our quarterback made 4 awful plays that could have easily been turnovers. Eli is as bad as the OL at this point. Sign me up for jameis winston
Beatty just doesn't "want" it enough.  
arcarsenal : 8/24/2014 12:43 pm : link
He doesn't love playing football enough to be the player he should be. He'll probably be passable. But I don't expect much beyond that going forward.
Its always a long  
oldog : 8/24/2014 1:56 pm : link
year when your season ends at the SB.
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