NGT: Washington has a full blown QB Controversy

with a good arm. Not an NFL QB. The NFL knows how to stop the read option now. Have the DE crush the QB on every play. I hope the deadskins keep playing Bobby as much as possible. The Giants have a much better chance with him in there.

last year is bieng victimized by the terrible Ol play. We needed a new GM two years ago who would have shored up our OL to protect his franchise QB during his peak years. Now the ungrateful know/nothing fans as usual want to blame the QB for the problems.

In comment 11822831 Giantology said:

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We'd be going through the same thing

Don't forget TC.

is a decent QB whose tools were affected by the decision to leave him in while he was injured. His main assets are good arm strength to go along with elusive running.

When you make one of those aspects irrelevant, he either has to learn to change his style or remain somewhat ineffective.

RG3 will miss time and Cousins is a legit NFL quality QB. It will be fun to watch.

If Manning replicates last year, there damn well better be a controversy because that shit was pure bad.

outplaying his friend.

I thought it was a stupid move. Cousins has played well at times. It would be unreal if he replaced RG3 as starter unless Bob was injured again.

In comment 11822831 Giantology said:

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We'd be going through the same thing

But..... he is a 2x Superbowl winner.

If my aunt had balls...........

If the same thing happens as last year that means the offensive line is still terrible which means the we has no chance. When being critical of the qb you must
take in account the ol

while fairly successful, retarded Bobby's progress as a pocket QB. He never had to learn to read defenses.

Just speculation on my part fueled by the predraft rumblings of his character, but as a starting "franchise" QB of the Redskins you have to assume that he's interacted with Thiesmann multiple times. For Joe to come out and say he should be benched based on the play of the backup in preseason...wow. I would have to think that there's something personal to that.

The qb has no chance

couldn't agree more. Re RGIII, still think he's a great athlete trying to play quarterback and his athletic skills are being compromised by injury. The Washington Snyders are in a tough spot.

is talking about controversy basically among fans. Have you not seen BBI during and after games? Myself I'll reserve judgement but I can tell you if Eli starts the year the way he played last year this place will be wild.

will be even worse than it was last season. All four teams have major weaknesses that will be exploited when they play games outside the division.

I can easily see the Division winner limping into the playoffs with a 7-9 record.

And yes, that includes Philadelphia, which is going to have more problems in the passing game this year than last.

In comment 11822847 Blue21 said:

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Eli is throwing picks and looking like last year...we'll have one too.

LOL...Holy shit!

In comment 11822847 Blue21 said:

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Eli is throwing picks and looking like last year...we'll have one too.

Sure then TC can channel Dan Reeves and put Nassib in to throw 4 INTs ala Tommy Maddox. Eli is not the problem w the offense. It's the shit Reese has given this team on OL.

The good news is Reese will most likely ale some more WRs and DL early and sign a few more washed up offensive line whom the "in Reese we trust" crowd will insist don't suck regardless of how bad they play

parodying Eric.

And from what I've seen, most Washington fans are still solidly pro RG III and not buying into this... yet.

controversy among fans if Eli doesn't play well. Even if it is the Oline's fault. The backup QB is often seen as a savior by fans.

I can see reporters trying their best to stir up shit also. Good thing the coaches run the team and not the fans/reporters.

Manning had a truly awful season last year, accumulating INTs at what could possibly be a record pace or close to it while he was running for his life. Do you all remember how God awful he was??

All it would take is another start like last years. The media will be all over it and the fans will jump on the bandwagon. And before you know it there will be "whispers in the organization from unnamed sources." Its already started on this board to a degree with people (knowledgable people) talking about how Eli might be done.

I dont know if he is or he isnt, but you can bet the cries for Nassib will come hard and fast if Eli doesnt pick it up. Doesnt matter what he's done in the past. People only care about the here and now.

Just saying Eli is not immune. Nassib is close to becoming the "new shiny."

In comment 11822938 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 11822831 Giantology said: Quote: We'd be going through the same thing But..... he is a 2x Superbowl winner. If my aunt had balls...........

How do you know your aunt doesn't have balls? Give your uncle a call sometime.

had no running game, and wasn't on page with the receivers. He had to throw quickly, so he was guessing/hoping where the WR's would be. My issue is people like to say Eli stunk, but in reality no QB could have survived. I would also bet (I have no knowledge of this) that Gilbride told him to keep firing, hoping the WR's would catch on.

Awful and he was running for his life you have more than likely already answered why he was "awful". Eli is not immune to a qb controversy, but it will be a controversy amongst the blind

I'll say this. If at the end of the season Eli hasn't shown to be a premier QB in the league, I would not break the bank to re-sign him. If he has another season like last year, I wouldn't re-sign him and rebuild around another QB. Whether is is Nassib or not remains to be seen.

With regard to Nassib, I think he's secured the #2 spot. A great resurgence during the last two weeks. Painter is toast. They won't keep 3 QB's with all the other issues present on the roster.

"but in reality no QB could have survived"

Really? Now who is talking out of their ass? Eli certainly had little help but he made too many bone headed plays all by himself. If we are assigning blame for his performance he is certainly front and center.

Bob has not looked comfortable as QB yet. The most valuable player on that team is Cousins IMO and I hope he stays on the bench.

Andrew Luck was, is, and always will be a far superior QB than Novelty Bob.

for a QB controversy in DC, RG will get hurt in the first 2 games and Kirk will take over. RG is a great QB as long as he can run the read option run/pass game, too bad he's not as big as Cam Newton.

Nassib was a wasted draft choice by Reese 2 short weeks ago. Now, if Eli has a few bad games, never the talent issues around and in front of him, we'll have a QB controversy. And, the season hasn't even started yet but people here are ready to write off the season.

I came to the conclusion that RGIII just can't help himself. It almost looks as if he is looking for an excuse to run. And when he does run, he still doesn't look like he is comfortable in sliding or really wants to slide. I think Washington could be a good team, the Giants will have their hands full with Washington. Cousins is a drop back passer, whole different deal. Washington has the receivers and the O line to give a guy like Cousins good targets.

From what I have seen, RGIII was limping already in the game I saw, this situation will take care of itself through an RGIII injury. Cousins seems to me to more dangerous the way the Skins are now constructed. RGIII seems to genuinely not want to run first, but just can't get the handle on it. He will get hurt running around.

when a qb like eli has "little help" he will try to do more and more to make up for it leading to more and more mistakes. Manning has shown he likes to keep plays alive which has lead to a lot of mistakes, but it sure has been worth it. Eli is a proven player in this league, the OL is unproven. Eli doesn't need a perfect situation, most of all he needs the interior of the line to do their job, pressure up the middle kills most qbs, the good ones can deal with outside pressure.

regardless. Will criticize and keep playing him. Does not matter.

..for their new offense. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that he is.

Watch this place if he starts throwing picks.As I said but was diregarded. I'll reserve judgement but I guarantee this place will be wild if he starts turning the ball over. Last game he could have easily thrown 2 or 3 picks and fumbled twice. His fault? Maybe not but he will get the blame guaranteed.

Less informed fans make those comments but the majority of the fan base is more than willing to stick it out with Bobby Three Sticks.

ago and has looked good for 3 games. Eli has had a couple of series where he has looked good if that and the rest has looked like crap sure a lot can be blamed on the OL. I was hoping Eli would show a little more than he has. Nassib has had to scramble and throw on the run also and it hasn't ended in a fumble. Fans are just looking for more from their 15 million 2 super bowl MVP QB.

So now Eli making bad choices is a good thing?

I give up.

In comment 11823084 Samiam said:

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Nassib was a wasted draft choice by Reese 2 short weeks ago. Now, if Eli has a few bad games, never the talent issues around and in front of him, we'll have a QB controversy. And, the season hasn't even started yet but people here are ready to write off the season.

Its amazing isn't it? I was glad the Giants drafted Nassib, thought all those bitching about it were silly. Now we have one half of a preseason game, played against backups and we might have a future QB controversy..It just boggles the mind when you read shit like this on here.

game this year. He had on bad game which is to be expected from a 2 year QB.

Frankly, he was never really beloved by the fanbase at large in the first place and most have probably already turned on him (easily more so than Washington fans have on RG III at least). Even the most pro-Eli Giant fan "place" in BBI has already started with guys creating painfully stupid threads about how Nassib is already just as good as and probably better than a young Eli was and posters going on about Nassib should have won the starting QB job this pre-season if things were fair... a mere two weeks after Nassib was demoted behind a known shit stain QB like Curtis Painter by the team itself and without a single pass thrown in a real game.

Only John Madden ever said "we" were smart and as it has been shown repeatedly, he was very much wrong about that.

A controversy for the team itself though? Not happening like it may eventually for Washington (as Snyder & Co will waver and may need/feel obligated to stir the pot for various reasons). Eli is going to play out the year, one way or another, unless he's injured at some point.

In comment 11822938 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 11822831 Giantology said: Quote: We'd be going through the same thing But..... he is a 2x Superbowl winner. If my aunt had balls...........

Eric made that comment in another thread. Giantology is mocking it.

Get your head in the fucking game.

told us RGIII was gonna rule the NFC East for the next decade? Doesn't take Danny Boy long to fuck something up.

Its like you saw "Eli" and "God awful" and nothing else. :-)

I'm sorry that you got that out of my post, either i communicated it poorly or you are just looking for an argument.

Eli likes to keep plays alive which has resulted in mistakes and also in great plays, that is what i was saying. I'm sure you can agree on that.

In comment 11823086 crick78 said:

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when a qb like eli has "little help" he will try to do more and more to make up for it leading to more and more mistakes. Manning has shown he likes to keep plays alive which has lead to a lot of mistakes, but it sure has been worth it. Eli is a proven player in this league, the OL is unproven. Eli doesn't need a perfect situation, most of all he needs the interior of the line to do their job, pressure up the middle kills most qbs, the good ones can deal with outside pressure.

Excellent post, Crick. For better or worse, Eli always tries to make a play and often it doesn't work out. But, sometimes you get a helmet catch.

In comment 11823193 bceagle05 said:

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told us RGIII was gonna rule the NFC East for the next decade? Doesn't take Danny Boy long to fuck something up.

Or perhaps ESPN was wrong about RG3.

doesn't strike me as above average either. Serviceable is the word I would use.

He isn't overly accurate. Cousins doesn't strike me as good enough to scare you, just efficient maybe.

The Skins will finish last in the division, watch.