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pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 11:25 am
I've posted quite a bit about the ordeal we're going through initially trying to rescue a puppy and having to return her (two) due to allergies of my of my kids.

We have done some empirical research and my daughter is not allergic to huskies it seems.

We have researched the breed, and feel it's a fit.

there is a local husky breeder to us so we went and checked them out, there were some puppies that were bought already, but she was expecting another littler in a couple weeks. I don't like having to pay for a dog when there are so many out there in need of rescue, but what are you going to do about allergies?

anyway, the breeder emails a couple weeks later, the mother had the litter, 2 gray (which we like) 2 black, and 1 red, first come (with deposit) first serve on your pick of the litter.

I told her I'd try and get there in the next week or so to pick one out.

She emailed me yesterday she "got" another litter, and they're $500 with no papers.

WTF does that mean? She hasn't answered me and it sounds sketchy or it could be totally innocuous?

anyone have thoughts about it?
There are plenty of Husky rescues and breed clubs  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 8/24/2014 11:30 am : link
You might try contacting some of them and see who they might recommend.
checked all over  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 11:41 am : link
for husky rescues and none have any pure bred huskies. Also, we're slightly picky in we want one around a year old or younger.

I'd even be willing to consider a husky mix, but I want (need) my daughter ti interact with it, really breathing in the dander is the only way to know for sure if she will be allergic.

So it means we need may daughter to physically interact with the dog.

It's not easy.
agreed about going through a husky rescue  
Hades07 : 8/24/2014 11:42 am : link
...be careful with breeders, do research on any you are going to do business with. Unfortunately there are some very shady characters out there.

What is different about the husky breed that she is not allergic?
I don't know what it is about huskies, maybe becausethey are generally  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 11:47 am : link
odorless (or have less dander than other breeds).

but our doctor said she could be allergic to one husky and not another, but in general if one from a litter is ok they'd all be ok.

We don't like the -doodle breeds.



Really don't know  
mushroom : 8/24/2014 11:51 am : link
what to make of "She got another litter".
I'd check with the Siberian Husky Club of America Inc. At their website,they will have a breeder referral list. With most of the breed clubs if there has been problems with a breeder they will not appear on the list.
Take your time and find a good reputable breeder. One that has litters with the good of breed , the individual dog, and the new owners of the pup in mine. They should spend time with you explaining the traits and idiosyncrasies of the breed as well as giving health records for the dog. Good Luck!
Good point  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 12:27 pm : link
this breeder is not listed on any national breeder registries.

does that mean avoid at all costs?

I've been there twice to her location. She breeds huskies and golden retrievers and my daughter interacted with the the huskies fine but the golden retrievers were a disaster.

They have a website, no BBB complaints, just looking for a fit and convenience.

The new litter she "got" is shown there, mostly red huskies which I don't like
I don't know how bad your daughter is getting allergies  
Giantology : 8/24/2014 12:31 pm : link
I used to be allergic to cats and have had allergies with some dogs. After being exposed for a while, I've adapted and had less and less allergy symptoms. Something to consider?
Have you looked at breeds that grow hair  
Section331 : 8/24/2014 12:35 pm : link
rather than fur? Wheaton terriers, poodles and some newer hybrids (like labradoodles) grow hair and don't have the dander that can irritate those allergic to it.

The huskie's thick coat helps prevent the dander from getting into the air, but it's still there.
My cousin works for the Husky House...  
Theresa714 : 8/24/2014 12:48 pm : link
Itis a rescue organization. My new dog came from there( not a husky) I see her posting huskies all the time on facebook. I can ask her what they have available.
huskyhouse.org is the website.  
Theresa714 : 8/24/2014 12:51 pm : link
They are in Matawan.
when buying a pure breed  
Blue Baller : 8/24/2014 12:52 pm : link
you can usually buy with or without papers.

You typically pay a bit more for "with papers" as it allows you to breed and show the dog as a pure breed. If you have no intention to do either of these things they are worthless.

Pjcas  
mushroom : 8/24/2014 1:00 pm : link
what is your gut telling you? Do you think the breeder cares about her litters and the breed?
FYI Breeders on a breed club referral list tend to charge more than those not on the list. That's for a variety of reasons , they TEND to spend a lot more time choosing the breeding pair, spend more money caring for the dogs, their puppies tend to be in greater demand from other fanciers of that breed due to the "better" dogs that are produced and the higher prices tend to discourage buyers who will not have the best interest of the dog at heart.
A good breeder will also have a contract for you to sign. In it will be any guarantees concerning the health of the dog, what would occur if you had to give up the dog, a requirement to spay/neuter the dog(if "pet quality") etc.
Oh and another thing  
mushroom : 8/24/2014 1:07 pm : link
If you have the time see if their is any dog shows/trials in your area be it a conformation ,obedience, agility trial etc
Even better see if the local chapter of the Siberian Husky Club is sponsoring a show or trial. While "dog" people can be strange, we love talking about our dogs and can be a get source of information.
Oops  
mushroom : 8/24/2014 1:08 pm : link
get = great
Finding a reputable breeder  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/24/2014 2:18 pm : link
is all the more important with a pure breed. Pure breeds are very susceptible to health issues due to inbreeding. Really need a quality breeder to avoid this.
RE: when buying a pure breed  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/24/2014 2:21 pm : link
In comment 11823115 Blue Baller said:
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you can usually buy with or without papers.

You typically pay a bit more for "with papers" as it allows you to breed and show the dog as a pure breed. If you have no intention to do either of these things they are worthless.

Lack of papers also means it may not really be a purebred dog, which is obviously important to him given the allergy issue.
RE: RE: when buying a pure breed  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/24/2014 2:30 pm : link
In comment 11823221 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 11823115 Blue Baller said:


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you can usually buy with or without papers.

You typically pay a bit more for "with papers" as it allows you to breed and show the dog as a pure breed. If you have no intention to do either of these things they are worthless.



Lack of papers also means it may not really be a purebred dog, which is obviously important to him given the allergy issue.


Purebreds will have a limited registration which means they can't be bred.
jim, I don't think that is true  
Blue Baller : 8/24/2014 2:33 pm : link
But I'm no expert.
This breeder also  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 4:06 pm : link
does not require the puppies to be spayed or neutered.

i asked her about it and she said, you pay $1000 for a puppy who is she to tell you what you can or can't do with it.

The ones she breeds come with papers detailing the mother and father (something and sire or whatever they're called) and the bloodlines.

the ones she was offering me (are on her website) but do not come with papers.

I'm guessing they were abandoned or something or she didn't know one of the puppies was pregnant if that's possible.

anyway, this is her website linked below. I'm going to ask for some referrals, because the breed seems right for us, but at a shelter today looking at another rescue, the shelter worker mentioned be careful with this breeder, her friend has one from there with epilepsy at 2 years old (not necessarily a knock on the breeder, but to be careful).

It might all be moot if my daughter shows no allergy symptoms, we could pick Carly up tomorrow from the shelter:


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Husky Breeders  
schristo5278 : 8/25/2014 1:13 am : link
I would be very cautious about those dogs without papers. It seems like this breeder has had some very good dogs but that doesn't mean they are all going to be good.

The first question I would ask to you about your kids when getting a Siberian Husky is how old are your children? While many huskies are wonderful dogs, they do tend to have a very high prey drive and I personally would recommend avoiding with small children....they tend to look like prey at times...they're small, erratically moving, and often make squeaky noises. That certainly doesn't mean they can't be good with the whole family but you do need to be careful. This breed tends to have an edge to them but that isn't always a bad thing if you are very comfortable with training dogs. They also require a large amount of exercise.

As for the lack of papers, I would ask them specifically why this litter is not registered. I would also recommend meeting the parents. Most breeders don't just happen to stumble upon a litter all of the sudden. The other thing that is bit questionable is the whole lack of spaying or neutering recommendation. Most breeders are very protective of their bloodlines and tend to suggest spaying or neutering in dogs which are not considered to be of "show" quality or if you don't have any intent to show them.

That's just my opinion. As with any purchase, do your due diligence and make sure your research is thorough. You tend to get what you pay for and also tend to regret making an impulse buy.
$500 without papers  
bc4life : 8/25/2014 11:53 am : link
what are you paying for?
Thanks for the advice  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 11:54 am : link
the $500 is buying the dog I guess.

The shelter we go to charges a $450 adoption fee to rescue a dog, so $500 for a pure bred without papers seemed like a good deal.
seems like a lot  
bc4life : 8/25/2014 11:56 am : link
like they fell into some pups and are trying to make $. I wouldn't pay unless I could trace the bloodlines - you don't know what you're getting and vet care is not cheap.
A badly bred dog can be very expensive  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 8/25/2014 12:08 pm : link
I paid $400 to rescue my dog Samson, although that included shots and getting him neutered.
Yep  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 12:15 pm : link
I think we hold off.

the litter that's available in 8 weeks or so, on the website I might consider, those puppies bloodlines are documented and there are some references.

otherwise we'll still look for a rescue my daughter has no allergic reaction to.
If you are concerned about allergies  
Scyber : 8/25/2014 12:39 pm : link
A dog that grows hair and not fur is probably a better bet then a Husky. There are lots of breeds of dogs that have low amount of dander (most terriers for example).
We looked at many of them  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 1:14 pm : link
and not a huge fan of the terriers or the doodles (labradoodles, golden doodles).

it's all messed up now. We wanted to rescue a puppy and that hasn't worked out due to the allergies.

So we read huskies, while they have fur, are relatively odor free and give off less dander than other fur dogs.

So we tested it out and sure enough no reaction.

Same breeder has golden retrievers and I nearly had to stop for claritin on the drive home so my daughter could breathe.

we believe huskies would be a good breed for us from every aspect other the fact we really wanted a rescue.

I'm not buying a labradoodle.

although, there is still some hope we see a mutt at the shelter and my daughter just has no reaction.
You might try fostering a rescue dog  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 8/25/2014 1:28 pm : link
That way you don't have a commitment if things don't work out.
that dog is awesome  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 1:35 pm : link
and thanks for all the replies. we discussed fostering, my kids (and probably me) would grow too attached.

I was practically in tears (and my kids bawled for days) when I had to bring the rescue puppy back.

She's the black one not facing the camera. Awesome dog, heartbroken kids, sad dad, mother couldn't care any less.

There were 6 of these puppies at the shelter and we would have taken any one of them.

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