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Three guys who should make the team

blueblood'11 : 8/24/2014 12:49 pm
Preston Parker, Corey Washington, and Talley. They have all been impressive in their own way with Parker, in my mind being the most impressive of the three. All three seem to just have that know what to do factor when they are on the field.

To add to that, I really think Parker will replace Jernigan. I don't think Manningham makes the team and will be replaced by Washington. I know Beckham is waiting in the wings but I really hope Parker and Washington get playing time in the regular season if they make the team.
I'd be surprised if Jernigan is let go by TC  
Big Blue '56 : 8/24/2014 12:52 pm : link
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I've like Talley since last year  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 1:01 pm : link
but I don't see it happening for him. I think the other 2 make it, but JJ hangs on before Talley
Beckham Injury Just About Assures  
clatterbuck : 8/24/2014 1:07 pm : link
Jernigan sticks.
Three  
AcidTest : 8/24/2014 1:07 pm : link
guys who should make the team:

Washington.
Parker.
Gaines.

Don't see Talley making the team. Harris going to IR saves JJ.
"One Play JJ"?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 8/24/2014 1:13 pm : link
- TC
Gaines was being ridiculed 2 weeks ago  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 1:14 pm : link
Has he really progressed that much since then? I haven't really paid attention to him. I did think Herman played well in the 4th qtr Friday
I just don't see us going into the season with only two veteran WR's  
SGMen : 8/24/2014 1:16 pm : link
Cruz and Randle? What if either one was hurt??

Granted, these young guys have looked good in pre-season against backups but they haven't had live action yet. I don't like to judge too much based on pre-season games.

I think we'll end up carrying 7 wideouts. It isn't perfect but I would not be shocked to see that happen due to special teams (Parker) and need for veteran presence (JJ).

One thing that could possibly happen is a Green Bay cut coming our way??
They don't really have a choice but to carry Gaines now, whether  
Riggies : 8/24/2014 1:19 pm : link
people ridiculed him or not.

They need a body that can play tackle.
They need a body that can play tackle.  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 1:21 pm : link
Granted he's a body, but can he play tackle?
Well, they deluded themselves into thinking Charles Brown could.  
Riggies : 8/24/2014 1:25 pm : link
Unless another team cuts someone actually good, the Giants are pretty much stuck with hoping on a guy like Gaines.
blue  
SBlue46 : 8/24/2014 1:56 pm : link
I agree..unless he plays bad thurs...
Jj is only slot next to Cruz. ..
mara wants him to prove he can or cant play
also ..8 say we carry 7 wr...
on less te..
The first two figure to make it, Talley is probably out  
JonC : 8/24/2014 2:00 pm : link
He was behind Harris who was behind Jernigan.

Gaines probably is out unless they're feeling good enough about Beatty (and Brewer) to let Brown go.
No on Talley  
jeff57 : 8/24/2014 2:10 pm : link
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talley  
CGiants07 : 8/24/2014 2:18 pm : link
Is ticketed for practice squad.the having only 2vet wr's argument is meaningless since we are in brand new system
CG  
JonC : 8/24/2014 2:19 pm : link
I doubt the coaches would concur.
RE: The first two figure to make it, Talley is probably out  
BMac : 8/24/2014 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11823191 JonC said:
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He was behind Harris who was behind Jernigan.

Gaines probably is out unless they're feeling good enough about Beatty (and Brewer) to let Brown go.


Letting Brown go would probably be addition by subtraction. There may not be an other Tackle on the team right now who is much better (outside of the starters), but there also doesn't appear to be anyone who is worse or who will stay consistently bad.
backup ol is  
CGiants07 : 8/24/2014 2:20 pm : link
Up in the air still as it depends on brown brewer and schwartz injuries
RE: RE: The first two figure to make it, Talley is probably out  
JonC : 8/24/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 11823218 BMac said:
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In comment 11823191 JonC said:


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He was behind Harris who was behind Jernigan.

Gaines probably is out unless they're feeling good enough about Beatty (and Brewer) to let Brown go.



Letting Brown go would probably be addition by subtraction. There may not be an other Tackle on the team right now who is much better (outside of the starters), but there also doesn't appear to be anyone who is worse or who will stay consistently bad.


Yeah, that's why I mentioned Brewer. He's seen quite a few LT reps this camp and I'd rather not keep Brown and him if we can help it.
RE: CG  
CGiants07 : 8/24/2014 2:23 pm : link
In comment 11823217 JonC said:
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I doubt the coaches would concur.

Coaches haven't been giving jernigan any compliments said he has been up and down
I don't go entirely by what's said in the media  
JonC : 8/24/2014 2:24 pm : link
I'm hearing JJ is probably safe, fwiw.
I  
AcidTest : 8/24/2014 2:59 pm : link
don't get the love for Brown. He was dreadful at the end of last year with the Saints, and has been equally bad for us this preseason. PFF has given him one of it's lowest grades.

Gaines and Brewer have grades of 4.1 and 2.0 respectively. I'm not saying PFF is the end all be all of assessments, but reviewing the games shows both have played well, especially Gaines. This is only his second year in the league, and he played at a relatively small school, Tennessee State. He has excellent size and arm length. Here's his draft profile from nfl.com. He won't make it through waivers to the PS.

As far as Brewer is concerned, he looked better against Pittsburgh than he did against Indianapolis, but is still worth keeping over Brown.

Beatty, Richburg, Walton, Mosley, and Pugh as the starters. Gaines, Brewer, Jerry, and either Reynolds or a vet FA obtained after cuts as the backups. Herman doesn't count because of his suspension. Deal with that in a month.
Rogers Gaines should be cut right now  
mrvax : 8/24/2014 3:30 pm : link
No NFL tackles should weigh what he does.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/roster?team=NYG

http://www.nfl.com/player/rogersgaines/2539318/profile
It says he weighs 239, with a two  
TheMcThrill : 8/24/2014 4:02 pm : link
That's doesn't seem right...
RE: It says he weighs 239, with a two  
mrvax : 8/24/2014 4:07 pm : link
In comment 11823304 TheMcThrill said:
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That's doesn't seem right...


Yeah, it is a typo. Other sources have him at 334-339.
Do you  
RetroJint : 8/24/2014 5:21 pm : link
notice that Brown's pass block set is reminiscent of Roman Oben? Like a praying mantis with a hernia. I hope Talley makws it. He is a physical wide receiver who will tackle & block. Giants need that.
No one was ridiculing Rogers Gaines.  
Klaatu : 8/24/2014 6:03 pm : link
They weren't praising him, either - more like they were ignoring him, which is a mistake, in my opinion. I've seen more out of him this summer than I have in three years of James Brewer...and I've seen enough of Charles Brown to know that he needs to go, quickly.
I watched Gaines  
Joey in VA : 8/24/2014 6:08 pm : link
Very closely on a re-watch yesterday morning and he has improved light years in about a month. He's probably a keeper if this team is being honest about talent evaluation. Asper could stick too, both of them played solid football last week.

Eric Herman looked good in spots too, I'd hang onto him if we can
No way Talley makes this team.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/24/2014 6:20 pm : link
Jernigan is safe, but he didn't exactly earn it.

Offensive Line roster is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Just a complete mess of guys that can be anywhere between Bad to Serviceable to Good depending on the play you watch.

.....  
Klaatu : 8/24/2014 6:23 pm : link


All aboard the Gaines Trainz! Joey's buying!
Seriously  
Joey in VA : 8/24/2014 6:55 pm : link
Fuck you. I'm done with this goddamn site because of fucksticks like you.
Buh-bye.  
Klaatu : 8/24/2014 6:56 pm : link
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RE: I just don't see us going into the season with only two veteran WR's  
djstat : 8/24/2014 9:00 pm : link
In comment 11823148 SGMen said:
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Cruz and Randle? What if either one was hurt??

Granted, these young guys have looked good in pre-season against backups but they haven't had live action yet. I don't like to judge too much based on pre-season games.

I think we'll end up carrying 7 wideouts. It isn't perfect but I would not be shocked to see that happen due to special teams (Parker) and need for veteran presence (JJ).

One thing that could possibly happen is a Green Bay cut coming our way??


So JJ is considered a veteran why? 3 catches in a meaningless game does not wipe away three years of no contributions
cox can go to practice squad for a few games  
CGiants07 : 8/24/2014 9:05 pm : link
to allow us to carry a 7th wr
RE: I watched Gaines  
The_Taxman : 8/25/2014 1:56 am : link
In comment 11823492 Joey in VA said:
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Very closely on a re-watch yesterday morning and he has improved light years in about a month. He's probably a keeper if this team is being honest about talent evaluation. Asper could stick too, both of them played solid football last week.

Eric Herman looked good in spots too, I'd hang onto him if we can


This^^^^.

I'd go Gaines and Asper over Brown and Jerry. Brown has looked awful and is hurt on top of it. Jerry isn't healthy and add to that hasn't looked all that great either. Gaines has size and potential. Asper is versatile and looked solid last week. I know it probably won't happen, but my 4 backups would be Gaines, Asper, Reynolds and Brewer. I know they are vets, but neither Jerry or Brown have shown enough plus both are nicked up. Best case scenario Schwartz is hopefully back in 6 weeks and the o-line depth gets a lot better. But for now, I think the 4 I mentioned are our best options as the 4 backups to Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Mosley-Pugh.
Asper will be 29 in November.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/25/2014 4:43 am : link
He's the 22nd-oldest player on the current roster, and the 3rd-oldest offensive lineman behind Reynolds and Beatty. That doesn't mean Asper can't make the team, but it does raise the bar. He can't make it as a developmental prospect; he probably needs to be high enough on the depth chart to get a shirt on Sunday, and maybe be the first guy off the bench at a couple of positions. That's a possibility with Schwartz out, but it still means climbing over guys who are both younger and more experienced (e.g. Brewer, Jerry and Brown). It does help him that none of those guys have solidified a spot so far.

What the team does with Gaines might depend in part on the prognosis for Schwartz. If Schwartz stays on the roster as a medical scratch for the first month or two, it's harder to keep a project OL who won't dress: there's room for one at most. On the other hand, Gaines is helped by the absence of competition from Day Three draft picks. The Giants did draft a lineman (Richburg), but he will dress and probably start; so if they carry a developmental blocker, Gaines is competing for that spot with marginal prospects like John Sullen. FWIW, I think Gaines would clear waivers. There isn't a strong market for a small-school project in September - especially one on his third trip to the waiver wire.

The guy helped most by the Schwartz situation might be Dallas Reynolds. If Richburg is a starting guard, Reynolds is the only credible backup at center. That's a fairly important spot, considering Walton's health history. Although center is Richburg's natural position, his promotion at G might take him off the C depth chart for now, except as a last resort. He has his hands full learning to play guard.

The guy whose 2014 prospects were hurt most by Schwartz's injury (other than Schwartz himself, and maybe Eli Manning), could be Cooper Taylor. If the Giants use their designation for return on Schwartz, Taylor is likely done for the year. Ideally, Schwartz only misses a month or so, and can be carried on the roster. That would give Flaherty a couple of options for reinforcements in October, when Herman and Schwartz could both return. If that's how things play out on the OL, Taylor is the leading candidate for designation. Of course, Reese could keep the tag in his pocket; but the experience with Andre Brown in 2012 and 2013 seems to have taught the Giants that the designation is most valuable in Week 1, and that it loses value pretty rapidly as the season progresses.
I'd be a good chunk of cash  
bc4life : 8/25/2014 8:32 am : link
they don't keep 7 wrs.
RE: Asper will be 29 in November.  
The_Taxman : 8/25/2014 3:16 pm : link
In comment 11823886 Big Blue Blogger said:
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He's the 22nd-oldest player on the current roster, and the 3rd-oldest offensive lineman behind Reynolds and Beatty. That doesn't mean Asper can't make the team, but it does raise the bar. He can't make it as a developmental prospect; he probably needs to be high enough on the depth chart to get a shirt on Sunday, and maybe be the first guy off the bench at a couple of positions. That's a possibility with Schwartz out, but it still means climbing over guys who are both younger and more experienced (e.g. Brewer, Jerry and Brown). It does help him that none of those guys have solidified a spot so far.

What the team does with Gaines might depend in part on the prognosis for Schwartz. If Schwartz stays on the roster as a medical scratch for the first month or two, it's harder to keep a project OL who won't dress: there's room for one at most. On the other hand, Gaines is helped by the absence of competition from Day Three draft picks. The Giants did draft a lineman (Richburg), but he will dress and probably start; so if they carry a developmental blocker, Gaines is competing for that spot with marginal prospects like John Sullen. FWIW, I think Gaines would clear waivers. There isn't a strong market for a small-school project in September - especially one on his third trip to the waiver wire.

The guy helped most by the Schwartz situation might be Dallas Reynolds. If Richburg is a starting guard, Reynolds is the only credible backup at center. That's a fairly important spot, considering Walton's health history. Although center is Richburg's natural position, his promotion at G might take him off the C depth chart for now, except as a last resort. He has his hands full learning to play guard.

The guy whose 2014 prospects were hurt most by Schwartz's injury (other than Schwartz himself, and maybe Eli Manning), could be Cooper Taylor. If the Giants use their designation for return on Schwartz, Taylor is likely done for the year. Ideally, Schwartz only misses a month or so, and can be carried on the roster. That would give Flaherty a couple of options for reinforcements in October, when Herman and Schwartz could both return. If that's how things play out on the OL, Taylor is the leading candidate for designation. Of course, Reese could keep the tag in his pocket; but the experience with Andre Brown in 2012 and 2013 seems to have taught the Giants that the designation is most valuable in Week 1, and that it loses value pretty rapidly as the season progresses.


I agree. I'm hoping Schwartz is only out for about 6-8 weeks. We can carry him on the roster for that long while giving the temp IR tag to Taylor. I think Taylor is going to be a weapon on defense for us since we play a lot of 3 safeties. If he can be healthy by week 10, that would be huge.
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