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capone : 8/24/2014 4:28 pm
I'm told that Boston tried to pass Cespedes through waivers, Rockies tried Stubbs and CWS Garcia ( the RF). Some pitchers of note as well will try and find out who.

The mariners came this close to dumping Ackley to the Yankees for a bag of balls on June 30 when he was hitting 8th or 9th and batting 214. He then goes 3 for 4 two days in a row and they took notice - has been one of their best hitters since .

They are blocking all veteran pitchers even if it means they take on salary to keep them form the Angles who lost Richards.

a lot  
MookGiants : 8/24/2014 4:30 pm : link
of players get put on waivers. Not exactly news
Cespedes  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 4:32 pm : link
has one year left at $10M, what were the odds he wouldn't be claimed?

well  
MookGiants : 8/24/2014 4:35 pm : link
he's not worth 10 million dollars based on his production but of course someone would claim him at that number the way money gets thrown around
what happened  
spike : 8/24/2014 4:38 pm : link
to Mets' Colon?
they claimed cespedes and he was pulled back of course  
capone : 8/24/2014 5:08 pm : link
what it means mook is that boston may have had a deal already for him - I for one find that interesting you apparently do not
everybody and their uncles gets put through  
WeatherMan : 8/24/2014 5:17 pm : link
revokable waivers this time of year, no surprise on any of those names to me.
Capone most teams  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 5:22 pm : link
put their entire team on revocable waivers.

if he gets though without a claim they can trade him to anyone.

Otherwise any team can claim anyone and most of the time the player is revoked. I believe if this happens the team claiming him and the current team can work out a trade, but only those two teams.

If they put Cespedes on irrevocable waivers that would be news (like they did with Manny when he was owed $100+M), this, not news.
should  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 5:23 pm : link
say "first" team I believe claiming him...
That's news to me that teams out their whole  
capone : 8/24/2014 6:22 pm : link
Roster on revocable waivers - it's also not true
Did you read this anywhere else?  
Shecky : 8/24/2014 6:46 pm : link
If not, then this is "news". Big news or minor news - still be appreciative of the fact he is sharing what he hears. Not sure the need for the snarky comments in all honesty.
Colon  
DanMetroMan : 8/24/2014 10:59 pm : link
is on waivers, we find out tomorrow afternoon if he cleared, was claimed, if the Mets are going to let him go for free, work a trade etc.
it's fairly common knowledge  
YAJ2112 : 8/24/2014 11:12 pm : link
that most players get put on revocable waivers at this time of year. Not sure why you would claim otherwise.
RE: Colon  
Shecky : 8/25/2014 8:10 am : link
In comment 11823829 DanMetroMan said:
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is on waivers, we find out tomorrow afternoon if he cleared, was claimed, if the Mets are going to let him go for free, work a trade etc.


Dan, curious what your prediction is on what happens with Colon. Always like to hear your thoughts.
Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 8/25/2014 8:19 am : link
Carig is hearing they will NOT let him go for free. I really wish I could guess where this is going but I could see him claimed as a block by the Mariners and the Mariners not looking to make a deal, I could see him unclaimed and the Mets talking deal with the Angels/Dodgers. If I'm the Mets I don't give Colon away.


11 million shouldn't be a reason for dumping a productive player with no return when that player 1) Has given you what you paid for this year 2) Has a very real role on the 2015 team. Niese and Gee have health concerns (Gee has quietly had a terrible overall season), Harvey is coming back from TJ, Montero and Thor are 100% unproven. Does a team without money issues dump a Bartolo Colon because he's making 11 million next year with the same rotation concerns/issues as the Mets? I highly doubt it. Colon has been worth 11.6 million through 24 starts which means he has 7-8 more starts and has already been worth his salary.

Colon 2014 FIP 3.40
Niese 2014 FIP 3.92
Gee 2014 FIP 4.62

In fact in 2014 Colon is 32nd in FIP, so 31 starters have outpitched him.. 11 million "off the books" is a scary reason to get rid of a player of his caliber. Get back talent? Sure, he's going to be 42, that's fine. Just to free up 11 million? Bad sign. Get Bedrosian from the Angels, Dodgers have They have enough quasi interesting guys to find a deal. Windle, Reed, Paco Rodriguez, Zach Bird, Schleber.
Thanks Dan  
Shecky : 8/25/2014 8:25 am : link
Don't have to sell me on the value of Colon as a pitcher. I've repeatedly posted how Colon is top 30 each of the past 3 years and cumulatively. As a afan I'm torn on them dumping him. I don't expect it, but I don't mind it if they did. Reality is he makes up over 10% of next years payroll. And with the teams pitching depth vs SS/LF depth - the extra $11mm might be as valuable or more valuable than a bit player in return.
Niese moved if colon claimed?  
Shecky : 8/25/2014 8:45 am : link
Any chance a desperate Angels team or similar team tried to trade for Niese if Colon claimed? Seems to be the obvious backup plan conversation.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/25/2014 9:18 am : link
don't think teams are going to "gamble" on Jon Niese at 16.5 million with his health concerns. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised.
Paul  
DanMetroMan : 8/25/2014 9:23 am : link
Sewald to AA, signed for 1,000, quite a find for that price
FIP  
Metnut : 8/25/2014 9:29 am : link
isn't adjusted for stadium. The fact Colon pitches in Citi Field and the NL probably makes his FIP look better than it actually is.

Dan you're right that a team without money issues shouldn't dump a productive player for $11M, but whether we like it or not, the team DOES have money issues and we'll need to allocate that money toward improving the lineup. Even with Gee and Niese's injury concerns, you have have to expect Harvey, Monerto and Synderggard to be part of the mix. I'd let Colon go and use the $11M elsewhere.
metnut  
DanMetroMan : 8/25/2014 10:02 am : link
xFIP adjusts for HR rate (which is obviously a big deal in CitiField) and Colon's xFIP is still 3.56. He's been an above average MLB starter this season by any measure. My point is dumping him for free absolutely suggests money problems/low payroll next year.
Gee  
DanMetroMan : 8/25/2014 10:06 am : link
has been quietly awful and Niese has been solid enough but with diminished velocity.


One could argue the only SP the Mets could rely on for 30+ starts next year would be Zack Wheeler, which is scary given the fact this will be his first season doing it. Gee quietly has the 6th worst FIP in all of baseball. We are also ignoring the fact that in order to improve the offense they likely will need to trade some pitching either from the MLB SP ranks or from the "upper" minors ala Thor, Montero, Matz etc.
RE: That's news to me that teams out their whole  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 10:07 am : link
In comment 11823501 capone said:
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Roster on revocable waivers - it's also not true


Strasburg, Harper, and Gio Gonzalez were placed on waivers. It is common.

here is a link to help maybe educate - that it is common and it is true:

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Bob Nightengale of USA Today created quite a stir among a portion of the Nationals' fan base yesterday when he tweeted out that Bryce Harper, Stephen Strasburg, Ian Desmond and Gio Gonzalez were all placed on revocable trade waivers by the Nationals.

Per Nightengale, Desmond and Gonzalez cleared waivers, while Harper and Strasburg were claimed by at least one team but were subsequently pulled back by the Nats.
What's this all mean? Why would the Nats put these four players on waivers during a pennant race?
Let's take a minute to answer those questions and clear this all up.
First of all, don't take Nightengale's report to mean that any of the four players listed above are going anywhere. A team risks nothing by placing its players on revocable trade waivers, and if a player is claimed, as Harper and Strasburg reportedly were, the player can be pulled back off waivers and will remain with his original team.

If a player clears waivers, as Desmond and Gonzalez reportedly did, then that player's team can discuss a trade involving that player with any other team. But again, it doesn't necessarily mean that anything involving that player will happen.
Every year around this time, teams place players on revocable trade waivers largely to determine interest in that player and get a sense of that player's value. It's essentially a way for a team to gauge how other organizations view its players.
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