BBI, I'll be the hardass, why don't more people contribute?

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Was $12,600. I'm currently 59 years old and unemployed.

Sorry.

if your contributions are down and you don't feel you're getting "reimbursed" (and I use that word since I know while this isn't a job for you, it't not charity per se either) fairly. just say so, I'll donate again, not everyone is in a financial position to donate, and maybe this will come off like I'm a jackass but fortunately I am and I love this site (even when people yell at me), so don't be shy, let us know if you're not getting the right level of donation.

charge for each entry.

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Just a guess...

In comment 11823460 aquidneck said:

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Was $12,600. I'm currently 59 years old and unemployed. Sorry.

And Eric understands that and has said ad infinitum, if it's a burden, DON'T donate..It's those who can afford even $5-10 that he's appealing to

the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free, not unlike downloading music, movies, etc.

Just donated for the first time. I freaking love this site .

For me.

no, smartass, I didn't make this an NFT, for two reasons.

1) BBI is primarily a football site, so this thread is about a football site, even if it isn't about football per se.

2) If I made it an NFT, it wouldn't reach those people who choose to only read FTs, which would defeat my purpose, wouldn't it?

Thanks for asking.

In comment 11823464 OldPolack said:

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charge for each entry.

I guess I couldn't afford to stay around, then :)

if people have electricity in their homes, what to speak of internet access, they can afford 20 bucks a year.

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send a card or cookies. There's more to life than just taking.

about the best steak houses or where do I go in Aruba who don't contribute you should be ashamed

they are parasites

utterly comfortable with.

I plan on donating this year, but have to wait until the end.

year and this year will be no different.

Where else can you go for such entertainment.

I don't feel like it because....I don't feel like it

Your friend,

Route9inleh

In comment 11823515 kickerpa16 said:

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utterly comfortable with. I plan on donating this year, but have to wait until the end.

You're a shitty person. Donate.

of spending days if not weeks of time here( if you added up all the time spent cumulatively) and did something else for entertainment with that time, that it would all be free

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What is the average donation? I never wanted to look like a schmuck and donate $5, because despite the thought, I thought it would be viewed more like an insult and being cheap.

To be honest the past few years have been tough on me. I was paying tuition the last two years for my MBA, out of pocket over $1000 a month. The year before I had just bought a house and didn't feel comfortable with the cadence of my expenses at the time. This year I'm starting to have to save for a ring for my hopefully future fiancé as my thread last night indicated. If donations are really that far down though, I will donate to help out. This site is great for giants news, all New York sports and all sports for that matter, current events and advice whether you participate or just hang in the background.

In comment 11823519 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 11823515 kickerpa16 said: Quote: utterly comfortable with. I plan on donating this year, but have to wait until the end. You're a shitty person. Donate.

Kickerpa's got a 45 page excel sheet with all of the reasons he hasn't donated, along with how his decisions have impacted the price of grain in the third world. Life is complicated sometimes.

In comment 11823522 Big Blue '56 said:

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Wish it could be an exit fee, sometimes.

some posters, like Kickerpa, invest a lot of time in good posts, bringing value to the site. There are more than one way to contribute.

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is entirely different from BBI. If I am a good enough musician to get people to listen to my music for free, there is a better chance than pre-Internet that they will attend my concerts. Concert attendance is up, and so are seat prices, I believe. Many more types of music have a live show following than used to be the case, as per the huge increase in the popularity of Americana. That is largely an Internet-driven phenomenon.

BBI doesn't come with a parallel model. If you want what it offers, you need to support it.

You cannot tell anyone how to feel about anything, it's their feeling, not yours, fuck off.

You cannot tell anyone how to spend their money. They earned it, their choice, fuck off again.

In comment 11823536 Joey in VA said:

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You cannot tell anyone how to feel about anything, it's their feeling, not yours, fuck off. You cannot tell anyone how to spend their money. They earned it, their choice, fuck off again.

By your rules:

1. Make sure not to tell a murderer that they should bad about it.

2. Make sure not so suggest that people should help the needy.

Also, by saying "fuck off" you are implicitly telling someone how they should feel. By your own rules, just don't say anything.

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bullshit, just a rational for being cheap

you can't tell me how I feel, either, so you can also fuck off.

Not that I actually told anyone how to feel. If you want to incessantly feel like a miserable creep, as you apparently seem to desire, be my guest.

Please.

when you come out of your deep depression, if ever, please go back to my original post and point out where I told anyone how to feel.

In comment 11823546 manh george said:

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when you come out of your deep depression, if ever, please go back to my original post and point out where I told anyone how to feel.

He may have been responding to HH, who suggested that some people should feel ashamed for not contributing.

No it's not. You don't tell anyone what to do with money they earned, it has nothing to do with you. You can offer a way to donate, solicit donations, but don't go so far as to strong arm people into anything when you have literally no idea of anyone's financial status.

I donate every year, every single year, I'm not "being cheap" I pay my god damn money because it's worth it, but I won't badger anyone into it.

The fuck off..yeah, basically you don't have any right to tell anyone what to do with their money. Zero.

when the ticket taker asks me for my ticket, I'll walk right past him and say I earned my money how dare you tell me how to spend it!

You didn't tell anyone how to feel, I simply stated two things I firmly believe in. One of which you stepped on.

Maybe I will come out of it, maybe I will get over an addict destroying my marriage and the pain that goes with it, but until then yep..i'm a jerk and i'm not taking any crap from anyone about anything.

I've tried to contribute $50 each year for the past three years via PayPal, and Eric has refunded my money each year.

I may be banned from BBI, but that doesn't mean that I don't visit the site multiple times each day and glean a lot of Giants information (as well as a lot of NGT and NFT information) from the site.

Since I'm a daily visitor to the site, a $50 contribution to keep the site going is something that I feel obligated to do.

It's just sill that Eric won't swallow his pride and accept my contribution.

After all, banned BBI members CAN and DO still benefit from the site.

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is what I meant to say...

There I agree, never take crap from anyone, don't back down

So now you can go back and show me where I told anyone what to do with their money.

In my possibly distorted view, asking what the thinking is behind not donating isn't the same as telling people they have to donate. Maybe it is. Can't see it.

I don't make a lot but I can afford five or ten. Thanks for the nudge.

The notion that everything on the internet should be free definitely plays a part though.

it just shows you support this

I think Eric should consider creating a "Banned-Member Fine" system.

Similar to the way the NFL levies fines, the amount could increase with each subsequent banning.

And, it should start with a genuinely punitive amount. Like, say, a $100 fine for the first banning, $250 for the second banning, and $500 for the third banning. Then, after three bannings, the offending poster would have to pay a fine of $1,000 to be reinstated.

If a banned member truly loves BBI THAT much, and is willing to spend his/her money to be reinstated, then this "Banned-Member Fine" system could actually benefit the site.

After all, as I've already stated, banned members CAN and DO continue to visit, and benefit from, BBI. Why not get some money from these people?

Eric seems to get wonderful perks. I'd rather not donate. I did donate 400 hours of free community service in 2013.

Best Giants website around.

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And, it should start with a genuinely punitive amount. Like, say, a $100 fine for the first banning, $250 for the second banning, and $500 for the third banning. Then, after three bannings, the offending poster would have to pay a fine of $1,000 to be reinstated.

...gingers, amirite?

Yes, Wu, you're right.

Oh man! What a clever one you are!

Now, if only Mike McCreary was a banned BBI member.

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My bad, Wu.

You certainly know your gingers. Good for you!

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the reason more people don't donate is its not mandatory or required and people assume those who are able to afford it will.

In comment 11823581 YamaBike said:

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I think Eric should consider creating a "Banned-Member Fine" system. Similar to the way the NFL levies fines, the amount could increase with each subsequent banning. And, it should start with a genuinely punitive amount. Like, say, a $100 fine for the first banning, $250 for the second banning, and $500 for the third banning. Then, after three bannings, the offending poster would have to pay a fine of $1,000 to be reinstated. If a banned member truly loves BBI THAT much, and is willing to spend his/her money to be reinstated, then this "Banned-Member Fine" system could actually benefit the site. After all, as I've already stated, banned members CAN and DO continue to visit, and benefit from, BBI. Why not get some money from these people?

100 seems high for 1 banning but don't hate the idea. 50 for 1st offense,150 for 2nd and 500 for 3rd after that

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too! (You did just get married, right?)

or had a birthday. Or both

married not yet ... in the event planning stages!

Knew it was something like that. Don't want to jinx it.

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Is the number two reason why I do not contribute

donation sent

I love this site and just donated.

not because I do not like the website and not because I am cheap, it is because I refuse to pay for content on the internet. Any sites I have visited in the past that have gone the pay model I have moved on. This has been proven over and over that this model does not work (there are sites that have much more original content that have tried and failed to make this work). The way to make money on an internet website is advertising, which this site already does. To say you need to donate to keep it running is disingenuous if Eric could make more money making this site a subscription site he would, fact is he cant. One of the only things i don't like about this site is these posts asking for donations, it feels like taking advantage of people that don't really understand how the business side of the internet works.

I didn't contribute last year as I was laid off for a few months. I have contrubuted before that and should have done so in 2014 as I am employed and settled. Just too damn busy to even breathe, no excuse just the facts. Thanks for the kick in the ass, I will send a check to Eric. I check BBI daily and value this site and the varied opinions immensley.

Send me an email Eric when you get my check. Best,

Frank

a serious message is posted saying "BBI will be shutting down in 60 days unless X amount of money is raised."

Then you'll see the donations rolling in. Most people expect the site to be here regardless. Whether or not that's fair is for others to decide but I'm pretty sure that's how it is right now.

designate a substantial amount of our incomes every year between the two of us for St. jude's, Leukemia (the disease that took my dad), the PBA and our local fire department rain or shine. We visit hundreds of websites a week.

And whether or not people donate to bbi, there needs to be a call out thread for donations? Is everyone also donating to the Giants? Or Giants.com?

I enjoy the website and I won't disclose whether or not I donate. That said, you're not a hardass, you're just shortsighted.

if X amount of dollars to get some egregious troll banned? If we surpass it and hit our stretch goal, an automatic ban for anyone who posts a thread about cutting Eli or firing Coughlin after the first regular season loss...

I have my own selfish reasons for donating.

I donate because I spend way too much time on here hungrily snuffing up every thing I can of meaning about the Giants - and this site has it. I know and have met Eric and I know and have spent time with Gary - they are not making a lot of money doing this - they do it because they love doing it and they give of themselves until it hurts - I don't always agree with Eric - but I support him because of what he's been able to assemble, it's excellence, and the fact that I would be very unhappy if this site wasn't around.

When I'm able to - I give what I can - when times are tough - and I can't give - I don't.

The idea that everything on the internet should be free???? - That's a bunch of bull. Someone has to pay - the question is who should.

Given that - Eric purposely doesn't allow a lot of ads on BBI - and removes them when they disturb the quality of life here - he gets a pittance for the advertising; that he puts up with a lot of grief from a lot of morons all year round; that he spends a ton of time keeping this site ship-shape and posting insightful, biting, thought provoking and stimulating content, and remains very dedicated to all this - along with a full time job and a two kid nuclear family - makes it merit your consideration.

Ask yourself - what you value more - being able to visit this site - and would you have wished you gave something if you are/were able, and it would have made the difference in this site staying online or not .... If the answer is that you are able and really would rather give something to see the site remain - and wouldn't appreciate it not being around - then you should donate - you have reasons to.

For my money this is the finest NY Giants site anywhere - bar anything else that is available - it has provided me and my family and friends with outstanding opportunities as a fan - unavailable elsewhere - and I personally place a value on that which make it worth a few bucks every once and a while and I place that value forward so that I know that I have done what I can so it remain available to me.

Good post. I feel the same way. I spend too much time here not to contribute when asked to.
Eric, thanks for this great site.

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is the reason why I no longer donate to this site.

If the BBI powers-that-be actually put effort into a transparent, reasonable moderation system, I would be more than happy to open my checkbook.

Oh well.

But Joey crushing it made it worth reading.

Professional Bowling Association?

I actually find the idea of a donation campaign awkward. I'd honestly rather have Eric charge me 20 bucks a year or whatever to post here.

Eric solicits donations for the site, but doesn't provide much, if any context for what my donation should be. This isn't like going to the grocery store and being asked to figure out how much a pound of apples should cost. I literally have no clue what it costs Eric to keep the site running and I don't know what is expected of me or others. He has repeatedly turned down opening up his books to the very people he's asking for money from. Ultimately I still donate because I 100% believe Eric to be a genuine person just trying to keep a good thing going here. Even in the FAQ for the campaign, the question of "How much should I donate?" is answered with "Whatever you're comfortable with" or something.

Just give me a number. I value what this site provides and I'm happy to help support it (I donated the last two years). But I find the whole "name your own price" in a situation where I'm being asked to determine the "value" of his hard work and my enjoyment a bit off-putting.

Again, it's by no means a big deal or a deal-breaker for me. I just think it's strange creating a situation where guys like manh george all of sudden looking into the pockets of strangers for a monetary value that is personal and elusive.

/rant over?

we're just two peas in a pod

In comment 11823799 Route 9 in LEH said:

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we're just two peas in a pod

Route 9 - you were in the front of the line taking advantage - with your family and your little girl - for a once in a lifetime opportunity with Antrel Rolle - that was given to you courtesy of this site and the contributions of BBIers - That's how that trophy gets paid for

Except you care a bit more about me than I do.

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please go fuck yourself on a sledgehammer. Thanks

Did we meet? I don't think so. Only ones I met that day were Gary, Fish, and Sec 103. I don't remember meeting a gidie. Obviously, we didn't because I don't have a kid and came solo. Unless I have a mystery child I don't know about in Tallahassee. I posted the pictures for all the BBI eye to see. It was fun. I'll donate when Exit 172 is banned. Kidding. I do like him.

Opinions vary.

I'm not the type to call people out for not donating when it is not mandatory. I rather explain why I donate and hope that others feel the same way I do. I understand where and why threads like this get started because the OP hopes to generate feedback and donations for the site.

On the other hand, some of you guys have given some extremely disingenuous reasons for your decisions and I hate bad rationalizations. If you don't feel like it then don't donate. Pretty simple, if you ask me.

I didn't call anyone out, because I have no idea who contributed and who didn't. So, the first callout came from elsewhere. And a number of people here indicated that they needed a push, and responded.

Ironically, before posting this, I guessed who would be the biggest attackers. I wasn't disappointed.

When I first donated years before anyone ever did(and I was the ONLY one) and then years later helped him set up a P.O. Box for donations, that he needed to go to a semi-subscription site like Scout. Free stuff for many, but exclusive stuff (stories, premium message board, etc.) for a small monthly fee.

Now I know Eric recently said he was approached by Scout and turned them down, but that doesn't mean he can't use that model. It would triple his income*(at least) and no more begging and making people feel guilty who don't donate for whatever reason (income, principle, not getting a thank you note, etc.).

It would be easy to set up and more profitable and no more begging.

Win, win, win.

In comment 11823551 Headhunter said:

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when the ticket taker asks me for my ticket, I'll walk right past him and say I earned my money how dare you tell me how to spend it!

That really is an excellent analogy

Both for and against a donation drive.

Just my opinion, no matter your income or current situation, if you use the site for football info or many of the other threads that generate discussion you should kick some to the site. Be it even $1 it still adds up. This site has been a staple in many peoples lives for years and that deserves some kind of a contribution IMO...

that is your business, but to write about it makes me think you are a cheap fuck trying to make you feel better about yourself. If you don't want to donate , shut up about it and don't justify it by writing about your reasons
like that gives you credibility

In comment 11823890 Headhunter said:

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that is your business, but to write about it makes me think you are a cheap fuck trying to make you feel better about yourself. If you don't want to donate , shut up about it and don't justify it by writing about your reasons like that gives you credibility

so in a thread asking why more people don't donate, you tell people who give actual reasons to stfu?

And I urge all who can to do the same.

and mg was being a cunthead to him.

I donate some years. Others, I don't. Was going to this year and then got massively turned off by some of the drek that was allowed to post some amazingly offensive nonsense here. "Oh, they're sorry so they are allowed back after 5 seconds" is horseshit.

Maybe that will all change to me--but for now, fuck off.

HE deserves it. He works realy hard on this. Having joined with the cap stuff, I see how involved he is with things. Same with Gary. It's a team effort. I'd be up for that Scout model myself. Having said that, I should donate too.

you don't want to donate why should we want to know why? Are we supposed to have a come to Jesus moment and say to ourselves he/she are right, nobody should donate? You got your reasons keep them to yourself, Eric is asking for help to keep this going , I don't need to read your excuses. If it shuts down, I won't be able to anyway

In comment 11823904 Headhunter said:

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you don't want to donate why should we want to know why? Are we supposed to have a come to Jesus moment and say to ourselves he/she are right, nobody should donate? You got your reasons keep them to yourself, Eric is asking for help to keep this going , I don't need to read your excuses. If it shuts down, I won't be able to anyway

So stay off threads asking why?

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First the movie theater analogy. It's horrible. Eric doesn't require a contribution. A movie theater is a transaction- your money for their product. BBI is not- it's a voluntary donation.

Then, right in the OP is this:

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That means there are many, many hundreds who visit the site regularly, enjoy it in some fashion, and don't contribute a plugged nickel. What is that about? Is it the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free? Is it laziness? Is it cheapness? Is it a suspicion that Eric is somehow double-dipping? (If it's that be man enough to say so.)

And then HH:

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If you don't want to donate , shut up about it and don't justify it by writing about your reasons like that gives you credibility

Awesome.

thread on Eric gives I believe, it costs money he needs to supplement the ad revenues to keep this place going. I want it to survive. If he keeps it going then why don't you start a thread in December why you don't contribute. But not now

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In comment 11823914 Headhunter said:

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thread on Eric gives I believe, it costs money he needs to supplement the ad revenues to keep this place going. I want it to survive. If he keeps it going then why don't you start a thread in December why you don't contribute. But not now

Then shouldn't you be complaining to mg for asking instead of the folks that are answering the question in the OP?

Sorry Cam I should have used tying up women and safe words in my poor analogy

In comment 11823921 Headhunter said:

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Sorry Cam I should have used tying up women and safe words in my poor analogy

Still would have been a poor analogy. They don't ask for, nor receive donations other than the bodily fluid kind.

Agreed - except I don't think it needs to be 60 days. Shutting the site down now for even 3 days I think would draw a ton of donations and I do think Eric should consider doing that.

In comment 11823922 Cam in MO said:

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In comment 11823921 Headhunter said: Quote: Sorry Cam I should have used tying up women and safe words in my poor analogy Still would have been a poor analogy. They don't ask for, nor receive donations other than the bodily fluid kind.

and it's usually involves more begging than asking, does it not?

shutting down has been a real possibility. If you've been here a while you know that Eric isn't a bullshitter. I may going about it the wrong way, but I'd like to have BBI around. After the donation campaign ends and hopefully Eric keeps it going, that would be the appropriate time to tell people why you don't donate. Then again if he shuts it down it won't matter

(which may or may not happen -- it's really nobody's business but mine if I do) and THEN the site shut down as a way to drive more, I think I'd be inclined to cancel my payment.

Appeals are one thing. Blackmail and ransom are different.

In comment 11823923 DavidinBMNY said:

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Agreed - except I don't think it needs to be 60 days. Shutting the site down now for even 3 days I think would draw a ton of donations and I do think Eric should consider doing that.

I don't know, if this place were to shut down for any period of time, I'd just move along. I'd go back to getting my Giants news from the beat writers and now FB and my current events from the news. Hell, I'd probably even be a little more productive at work.

Sometimes it's teasing and begging, sometimes it's...a struggle.

look it up online, but I would bet that donation rates are low for almost all sites (and software). I doubt BBI is unique. When there are no added perks for donating, I imagine that most people won't do it (on any site).

or have to move along.

In comment 11823878 montanagiant said:

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In comment 11823551 Headhunter said: Quote: when the ticket taker asks me for my ticket, I'll walk right past him and say I earned my money how dare you tell me how to spend it! That really is an excellent analogy

It's actually a terrible analogy.

I have mixed feelings about this thread. On one hand, I like that old people have something to feel good about themselves over. On the other, I hope they don't hurt themselves in the circle jerk.

are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit.

In comment 11823944 Jon from PA said:

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are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit.

Make sure to donate to Facebook, Youtube and reddit!

In comment 11823685 bigblitz2001 said:

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not because I do not like the website and not because I am cheap, it is because I refuse to pay for content on the internet. Any sites I have visited in the past that have gone the pay model I have moved on. This has been proven over and over that this model does not work (there are sites that have much more original content that have tried and failed to make this work). The way to make money on an internet website is advertising, which this site already does. To say you need to donate to keep it running is disingenuous if Eric could make more money making this site a subscription site he would, fact is he cant. One of the only things i don't like about this site is these posts asking for donations, it feels like taking advantage of people that don't really understand how the business side of the internet works.

Well then, may I suggest you move on again? This is BOTH family and a website..Through this site I have made lifelong friends. Some have been guests at my house..Others I saw every summer during training camp in Albany..We've shared an awful lot offline...I have become friendly with people associated with the Giants and some reporters because of this site.

There are websites and then there is BBI..ASIDE from those who truly are experiencing hard times, a $10-15 donation(or less if that's all you can afford) in lieu of a few packs of cigs or a few drinks, is ALL it would take

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Well then, may I suggest you move on again? This is BOTH family and a website..Through this site I have made lifelong friends. Some have been guests at my house..Others I saw every summer during training camp in Albany..We've shared an awful lot offline...I have become friendly with people associated with the Giants and some reporters because of this site.

While this is a more than worthy reason, not everyone has had the same 'family' experience with BBI that you have had. To some, it's just a site they read and they have no desire to meet (or interact with) other BBIers.

how will I find out if Brett makes it out of puberty and develops a man's voice?

In comment 11823973 Headhunter said:

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how will I find out if Brett makes it out of puberty and develops a man's voice?

Follow my Youtube channel!!!

donate?

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It's like a real life Tobias from Arrested Development.

if you grow a pair of tits, pass

In comment 11823971 Cam in MO said:

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Quote: Well then, may I suggest you move on again? This is BOTH family and a website..Through this site I have made lifelong friends. Some have been guests at my house..Others I saw every summer during training camp in Albany..We've shared an awful lot offline...I have become friendly with people associated with the Giants and some reporters because of this site. While this is a more than worthy reason, not everyone has had the same 'family' experience with BBI that you have had. To some, it's just a site they read and they have no desire to meet (or interact with) other BBIers.

Fair enough, but NOT my point per se to the poster..The poster said it was just a website as others are. I was pointing out the difference, to me, of this vs other websites. Non-personal interaction is fine as the are no "rules of engagement." Just citing the extra BONUS, to me, of being here..

A quick note: If nothing else, Just the DAILY threads by DefenderDawg with all his Giants and around the league news that would take us an inordinate amount of time to access on our own, is worth a donation, imv..I daresay, very few if any posters provide that ANYWHERE on the web..

I am not sure his interests are best served starting a thread in the middle of the drive asking why people don't contribute and which results in people debating the merits of donating and posting what they don't like about the site.

We should be paying him for his great work then.

internet works. Phew, so relieved.

enough revenue to keep itself going. I'm surprised there's an issue with that. There are so many eyes on here I'd think an advertiser would pay well to be linked here.

It would save the trouble of relying on charity.

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internet works. Phew, so relieved.

It's a series of tubes. That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

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That means there are many, many hundreds who visit the site regularly, enjoy it in some fashion, and don't contribute a plugged nickel. What is that about? Is it the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free? Is it laziness? Is it cheapness? Is it a suspicion that Eric is somehow double-dipping? (If it's that be man enough to say so.)

In comment 11824000 Curtis in VA said:

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Quote: That means there are many, many hundreds who visit the site regularly, enjoy it in some fashion, and don't contribute a plugged nickel. What is that about? Is it the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free? Is it laziness? Is it cheapness? Is it a suspicion that Eric is somehow double-dipping? (If it's that be man enough to say so.)

Good point, Curtis, that was very sexist.

In comment 11823944 Jon from PA said:

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are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit.

I feel the same way. I took a break for BBI a year ago, and really, my quality of life improved: less wasted time. But I still feel like just taking without giving something back is lame.

Brett: good counterexamples with Reddit and Facebook. We do use sites were we just "take" content. There are a lot of sites like that. Honestly, do they do donation drives? I don't know. If not, they don't count. Wikipedia would be a good example though.

I'm only here for the hot chick threads and BlueLou's relationship advice anyway.

if you come here frequently and use the site and can afford to donate...anything, I think people should. I will donate - people have a right to ask others to donate. I appreciate the site.

It takes Eric and others a good deal of time, effort, and money to keep the site up and running. People come here and think they shouldn't pay, while others shoulder the burden. Pretty surprised we have this back and forth every year.

and not give reasons when that's exactly what the OP was asking for. But if we're being honest, the OP just wanted to guilt the people who haven't donated.

I'm not proud that I don't donate, but I feel no guilt either. I use this site as a message board. I don't really read any of the BBI articles or go to BBI get togethers. If you asked me what was on the BBI front page right now I wouldn't be able to tell you. I post things that I feel like saying and read posts that other people feel like saying.

That being said, I don't understand why Eric wouldn't just let the ad's go crazy and to put his Amazon thing as a sticky. He's really not taking advantage of the platform he has IMO.

Eric the answer is simple.

Tell people to film themselves dumping water on their head and the contributions will multiply ten fold!

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In comment 11823944 Jon from PA said: Quote: are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit. I feel the same way. I took a break for BBI a year ago, and really, my quality of life improved: less wasted time. But I still feel like just taking without giving something back is lame. Brett: good counterexamples with Reddit and Facebook. We do use sites were we just "take" content. There are a lot of sites like that. Honestly, do they do donation drives? I don't know. If not, they don't count. Wikipedia would be a good example though.

Don't get me wrong, I've donated in the past. And I too took a break and even changed my handle and I also found I wasted much less time than when I posted under my previous handle. I was just commenting on the silly notion of everybody freaking out if BBI were to shut down.

Eric would be nuts to shut down the site. He'd almost certainly be able to fetch six figures - to just shut it down would be crazy.

I'll just follow Rich Houston to the new board

if this shuts down

What would take it's place (besides Giants.com) as the number one source for Giants info? Eh, whatever I'd guess I'd have to follow the drivel chicken scratch by the idiots who run the Giants 101 Facebook. Settle. Settle.

and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.

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and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.

Yeah, well Brett has been blowing random dudes in the bathroom at Penn station to support his meth habit, and he still donated.

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and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.

I'm sorry you you got laid off but there's no way in hell I would have done the same. I guess that shows your loyalty to this internet message board?

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In comment 11824345 Chef said: Quote: and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house. Yeah, well Brett has been blowing random dudes in the bathroom at Penn station to support his meth habit, and he still donated.

Given most are repeats, I wouldn't call them random.

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In comment 11824345 Chef said: Quote: and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house. Yeah, well Brett has been blowing random dudes in the bathroom at Penn station to support his meth habit, and he still donated.

I wouldn't exactly call infecting random dudes with the herp "donating".

has a market cap of like 193 billion. Comparing BBI to facebook is fucking stupid, they make PLENTY of money on the backs of the readers. Eric does not, therefore needs donations. You cheap fucks need to donate.

if it's just a few dollars.

Piece of shit.

Can not afford it

Nowhere does it say "pay site" it is a free site, and one of the best sites around yes. But some people are laid off and can not afford a penny...Dont make people feel bad who don't contribute to a site.

I am laid off with no income but I will donate what I can today

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In comment 11824345 Chef said: Quote: and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house. I'm sorry you you got laid off but there's no way in hell I would have done the same. I guess that shows your loyalty to this internet message board?

It shows you what you want it to.. I find BBI a great resource for my favorite team and entertainment and I found that it was worth my support.

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then you shouldn't donate. I can't speak for Eric, but I doubt he wants money from people who can't afford it.

There's plenty of people who can afford it, and spend shit loads of time here who don't donate.

When people complain about things on the site to Eric, the first thing I would do if I were him is check if they donated. If they didn't donate, I'd kindly tell them to fuck off

Grandfather existing members in; and charge newcomers one time sign up fee. It would reduce dependency on donation drive and also eliminate dupes/trolls. Could still have annual donation drive but poor showing in a particular year could be offset by new annual BBI enrollees. Just a thought.

has a good idea.

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Grandfather existing members in; and charge newcomers one time sign up fee. It would reduce dependency on donation drive and also eliminate dupes/trolls. Could still have annual donation drive but poor showing in a particular year could be offset by new annual BBI enrollees. Just a thought.

That model has been a consistent failure on the internet. New people will not pay for an account when they haven't experienced whether it's worth it or not.

Having said that, if the site goes away, what will I do?

Well I won't be coming to this site but life will go on an I will still watch Giants football.

In comment 11824784 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 11824416 Maximus, Esq. said: Quote: Grandfather existing members in; and charge newcomers one time sign up fee. It would reduce dependency on donation drive and also eliminate dupes/trolls. Could still have annual donation drive but poor showing in a particular year could be offset by new annual BBI enrollees. Just a thought. That model has been a consistent failure on the internet. New people will not pay for an account when they haven't experienced whether it's worth it or not.

it works with the old people. I think my father is one of the 1M+ people who still pay AOL for dial-up because they can't figure out how to cancel.

Eric should target the older BBI crowd, get on auto-pay plans and those usually even last until a few months (at least) past death.

In comment 11824784 Jim in Fairfax said:

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In comment 11824416 Maximus, Esq. said: Quote: Grandfather existing members in; and charge newcomers one time sign up fee. It would reduce dependency on donation drive and also eliminate dupes/trolls. Could still have annual donation drive but poor showing in a particular year could be offset by new annual BBI enrollees. Just a thought. That model has been a consistent failure on the internet. New people will not pay for an account when they haven't experienced whether it's worth it or not.

Problem is when most people experience BBI (or at least the forum) they won't want to pay for that either.

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Having said that, if the site goes away, what will I do? Well I won't be coming to this site but life will go on an I will still watch Giants football.

Sorry not buying the blase attitude..Many of us check in a zillion times a day..You think you can flick a switch and simply go elsewhere? Most other sites really, really suck, format and information-wise...As far as football is concerned(my only sports interest), I'd feel the loss of BBI big time..No problem admitting that..Not sure how many others would honestly come clean about that

Dave Klein will be there to fill the void and he will charge

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Sorry not buying the blase attitude..Many of us check in a zillion times a day..You think you can flick a switch and simply go elsewhere? Most other sites really, really suck, format and information-wise...As far as football is concerned(my only sports interest), I'd feel the loss of BBI big time..No problem admitting that..Not sure how many others would honestly come clean about that

I'm with you on that one Doc, were this place to disappear I'd miss the hell out of it.

As far as pricing goes, a subscription to post would kill new signup numbers to the long term detriment of the site, and I'm not a fan of separate boards for paying members, as that dilutes the conversation. Perhaps creating user tiers instead? Have level 1 be free, can view and comment on threads, but not create new threads. Level 2 for $5 a month or $50 a year (incentive discount on the longer term purchase) gets full privileges to create new threads as well as the basic level 1 rights. Would that work? I don't know, it's something I think most folks would be able to afford though.

it's Weatherman being spot on predicting snowfalls and hurricanes better than anyone else out there. That is one example besides the Giant talk, there is lot more I'd miss

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Dave Klein will be there to fill the void and he will charge

Hahahahaha! Fuck him.

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In comment 11824416 Maximus, Esq. said: Quote: Grandfather existing members in; and charge newcomers one time sign up fee. It would reduce dependency on donation drive and also eliminate dupes/trolls. Could still have annual donation drive but poor showing in a particular year could be offset by new annual BBI enrollees. Just a thought. That model has been a consistent failure on the internet. New people will not pay for an account when they haven't experienced whether it's worth it or not.

The other way around might work though. Maybe you charge current members an amount that would be painless for most ($5 or $10 per year), and then you let newcomers use it for free for a year or two before they pay the $5 or $10.

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Piece of shit.

Heh...best post of this thread