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BBI, I'll be the hardass, why don't more people contribute?

manh george : 8/24/2014 5:41 pm
In his newest note on the topic, Eric notes that the contributions come from the same people from year to year, and that last week only a dozen contributions were received.

That means there are many, many hundreds who visit the site regularly, enjoy it in some fashion, and don't contribute a plugged nickel. What is that about? Is it the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free? Is it laziness? Is it cheapness? Is it a suspicion that Eric is somehow double-dipping? (If it's that be man enough to say so.)

I wonder how many of those who don't contribute would be upset if the site were shut down. Of that group, I wonder how many could afford $20 a year or some such?

I just don't understand the thinking. Crap on me all you like, but also consider your own motives. I think this sucks, even if we squeak through again for another year.

Pile on me all you like, now. Then go to Paypal.
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Their rite of passage?  
Big Blue '56 : 8/24/2014 5:43 pm : link
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my income before taxes in 2013  
aquidneck : 8/24/2014 5:45 pm : link
Was $12,600. I'm currently 59 years old and unemployed.

Sorry.
Eric  
pjcas18 : 8/24/2014 5:48 pm : link
if your contributions are down and you don't feel you're getting "reimbursed" (and I use that word since I know while this isn't a job for you, it't not charity per se either) fairly. just say so, I'll donate again, not everyone is in a financial position to donate, and maybe this will come off like I'm a jackass but fortunately I am and I love this site (even when people yell at me), so don't be shy, let us know if you're not getting the right level of donation.
Eric on non-football items,  
OldPolack : 8/24/2014 5:52 pm : link
charge for each entry.
NFT.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/24/2014 5:54 pm : link
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Some people are selfish bastards?  
okiegiant : 8/24/2014 5:58 pm : link
Just a guess...
RE: my income before taxes in 2013  
Big Blue '56 : 8/24/2014 5:59 pm : link
In comment 11823460 aquidneck said:
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Was $12,600. I'm currently 59 years old and unemployed.

Sorry.


And Eric understands that and has said ad infinitum, if it's a burden, DON'T donate..It's those who can afford even $5-10 that he's appealing to
Generally, it is  
JonC : 8/24/2014 6:05 pm : link
the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free, not unlike downloading music, movies, etc.
well your post worked on me.  
ballanda : 8/24/2014 6:16 pm : link
Just donated for the first time. I freaking love this site .
...and yes, it was the "everything should be free" mentality  
ballanda : 8/24/2014 6:17 pm : link
For me.
And while I'm in the mood...  
manh george : 8/24/2014 6:23 pm : link
no, smartass, I didn't make this an NFT, for two reasons.

1) BBI is primarily a football site, so this thread is about a football site, even if it isn't about football per se.

2) If I made it an NFT, it wouldn't reach those people who choose to only read FTs, which would defeat my purpose, wouldn't it?

Thanks for asking.

RE: Eric on non-football items,  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2014 6:23 pm : link
In comment 11823464 OldPolack said:
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charge for each entry.


I guess I couldn't afford to stay around, then :)
Your are 100 correct, mg  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:24 pm : link
if people have electricity in their homes, what to speak of internet access, they can afford 20 bucks a year.
100% correct  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:24 pm : link
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And if you can't give money  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:25 pm : link
send a card or cookies. There's more to life than just taking.
The same people who post  
Headhunter : 8/24/2014 6:27 pm : link
about the best steak houses or where do I go in Aruba who don't contribute you should be ashamed
I'll say for you mg  
Headhunter : 8/24/2014 6:30 pm : link
they are parasites
Several reasons the past few years, which I'm  
kickerpa16 : 8/24/2014 6:33 pm : link
utterly comfortable with.

I plan on donating this year, but have to wait until the end.
Haven't missed a  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/24/2014 6:35 pm : link

year and this year will be no different.

Where else can you go for such entertainment.
Dear hardass,  
Route 9 in LEH : 8/24/2014 6:37 pm : link
I don't feel like it because....I don't feel like it

Your friend,

Route9inleh
RE: Several reasons the past few years, which I'm  
BrettNYG10 : 8/24/2014 6:37 pm : link
In comment 11823515 kickerpa16 said:
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utterly comfortable with.

I plan on donating this year, but have to wait until the end.


You're a shitty person. Donate.
I just can't fathom the idea  
Headhunter : 8/24/2014 6:39 pm : link
of spending days if not weeks of time here( if you added up all the time spent cumulatively) and did something else for entertainment with that time, that it would all be free
Many opinions on here should come with an entry fee  
Big Blue '56 : 8/24/2014 6:40 pm : link
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Out of curiosity  
jgambrosio : 8/24/2014 6:44 pm : link
What is the average donation? I never wanted to look like a schmuck and donate $5, because despite the thought, I thought it would be viewed more like an insult and being cheap.

To be honest the past few years have been tough on me. I was paying tuition the last two years for my MBA, out of pocket over $1000 a month. The year before I had just bought a house and didn't feel comfortable with the cadence of my expenses at the time. This year I'm starting to have to save for a ring for my hopefully future fiancé as my thread last night indicated. If donations are really that far down though, I will donate to help out. This site is great for giants news, all New York sports and all sports for that matter, current events and advice whether you participate or just hang in the background.
RE: RE: Several reasons the past few years, which I'm  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:45 pm : link
In comment 11823519 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 11823515 kickerpa16 said:


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utterly comfortable with.

I plan on donating this year, but have to wait until the end.



You're a shitty person. Donate.

Kickerpa's got a 45 page excel sheet with all of the reasons he hasn't donated, along with how his decisions have impacted the price of grain in the third world. Life is complicated sometimes.
RE: Many opinions on here should come with an entry fee  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:45 pm : link
In comment 11823522 Big Blue '56 said:
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Wish it could be an exit fee, sometimes.
but jokes aside  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:49 pm : link
some posters, like Kickerpa, invest a lot of time in good posts, bringing value to the site. There are more than one way to contribute.
is, not are  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:50 pm : link
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The entertainment world model, where downloads are free...  
manh george : 8/24/2014 6:51 pm : link
is entirely different from BBI. If I am a good enough musician to get people to listen to my music for free, there is a better chance than pre-Internet that they will attend my concerts. Concert attendance is up, and so are seat prices, I believe. Many more types of music have a live show following than used to be the case, as per the huge increase in the popularity of Americana. That is largely an Internet-driven phenomenon.

BBI doesn't come with a parallel model. If you want what it offers, you need to support it.
two things I firmly believe in  
Joey in VA : 8/24/2014 6:51 pm : link
You cannot tell anyone how to feel about anything, it's their feeling, not yours, fuck off.

You cannot tell anyone how to spend their money. They earned it, their choice, fuck off again.
RE: two things I firmly believe in  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:53 pm : link
In comment 11823536 Joey in VA said:
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You cannot tell anyone how to feel about anything, it's their feeling, not yours, fuck off.

You cannot tell anyone how to spend their money. They earned it, their choice, fuck off again.


By your rules:

1. Make sure not to tell a murderer that they should bad about it.

2. Make sure not so suggest that people should help the needy.

Also, by saying "fuck off" you are implicitly telling someone how they should feel. By your own rules, just don't say anything.
and I'm mostly just busting your balls, Joey  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:54 pm : link
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Joey in Va  
Headhunter : 8/24/2014 6:55 pm : link
bullshit, just a rational for being cheap
So Joey...  
manh george : 8/24/2014 6:55 pm : link
you can't tell me how I feel, either, so you can also fuck off.

Not that I actually told anyone how to feel. If you want to incessantly feel like a miserable creep, as you apparently seem to desire, be my guest.

Please.
Btw, Joey...  
manh george : 8/24/2014 6:57 pm : link
when you come out of your deep depression, if ever, please go back to my original post and point out where I told anyone how to feel.
RE: Btw, Joey...  
Moondwg : 8/24/2014 6:58 pm : link
In comment 11823546 manh george said:
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when you come out of your deep depression, if ever, please go back to my original post and point out where I told anyone how to feel.


He may have been responding to HH, who suggested that some people should feel ashamed for not contributing.
Bullshit?  
Joey in VA : 8/24/2014 6:59 pm : link
No it's not. You don't tell anyone what to do with money they earned, it has nothing to do with you. You can offer a way to donate, solicit donations, but don't go so far as to strong arm people into anything when you have literally no idea of anyone's financial status.

I donate every year, every single year, I'm not "being cheap" I pay my god damn money because it's worth it, but I won't badger anyone into it.

The fuck off..yeah, basically you don't have any right to tell anyone what to do with their money. Zero.
I'm going to go to the movies  
Headhunter : 8/24/2014 7:00 pm : link
when the ticket taker asks me for my ticket, I'll walk right past him and say I earned my money how dare you tell me how to spend it!
manh  
Joey in VA : 8/24/2014 7:00 pm : link
You didn't tell anyone how to feel, I simply stated two things I firmly believe in. One of which you stepped on.

Maybe I will come out of it, maybe I will get over an addict destroying my marriage and the pain that goes with it, but until then yep..i'm a jerk and i'm not taking any crap from anyone about anything.
As I stated on the  
YamaBike : 8/24/2014 7:03 pm : link
I've tried to contribute $50 each year for the past three years via PayPal, and Eric has refunded my money each year.

I may be banned from BBI, but that doesn't mean that I don't visit the site multiple times each day and glean a lot of Giants information (as well as a lot of NGT and NFT information) from the site.

Since I'm a daily visitor to the site, a $50 contribution to keep the site going is something that I feel obligated to do.

It's just sill that Eric won't swallow his pride and accept my contribution.

After all, banned BBI members CAN and DO still benefit from the site.
Can I take the ice bucket challenge instead?  
Anakim : 8/24/2014 7:04 pm : link
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"As I stated on the "Contribution" thread"  
YamaBike : 8/24/2014 7:04 pm : link
is what I meant to say...
Joey  
Headhunter : 8/24/2014 7:05 pm : link
There I agree, never take crap from anyone, don't back down
OK  
manh george : 8/24/2014 7:07 pm : link
So now you can go back and show me where I told anyone what to do with their money.

In my possibly distorted view, asking what the thinking is behind not donating isn't the same as telling people they have to donate. Maybe it is. Can't see it.
It's been too long since I've given.  
odunde : 8/24/2014 7:09 pm : link
I don't make a lot but I can afford five or ten. Thanks for the nudge.
Full time student with a tight budget  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/24/2014 7:17 pm : link
The notion that everything on the internet should be free definitely plays a part though.
You can donate $1.00  
Headhunter : 8/24/2014 7:17 pm : link
it just shows you support this
Also, as a "frequently banned member,"  
YamaBike : 8/24/2014 7:18 pm : link
I think Eric should consider creating a "Banned-Member Fine" system.

Similar to the way the NFL levies fines, the amount could increase with each subsequent banning.

And, it should start with a genuinely punitive amount. Like, say, a $100 fine for the first banning, $250 for the second banning, and $500 for the third banning. Then, after three bannings, the offending poster would have to pay a fine of $1,000 to be reinstated.

If a banned member truly loves BBI THAT much, and is willing to spend his/her money to be reinstated, then this "Banned-Member Fine" system could actually benefit the site.

After all, as I've already stated, banned members CAN and DO continue to visit, and benefit from, BBI. Why not get some money from these people?
There's advertising on the site and  
madgiantscow009 : 8/24/2014 7:19 pm : link
Eric seems to get wonderful perks. I'd rather not donate. I did donate 400 hours of free community service in 2013.
Just contributed.  
mjoseph487 : 8/24/2014 7:20 pm : link
Best Giants website around.
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