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BBI, I'll be the hardass, why don't more people contribute?

manh george : 8/24/2014 5:41 pm
In his newest note on the topic, Eric notes that the contributions come from the same people from year to year, and that last week only a dozen contributions were received.

That means there are many, many hundreds who visit the site regularly, enjoy it in some fashion, and don't contribute a plugged nickel. What is that about? Is it the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free? Is it laziness? Is it cheapness? Is it a suspicion that Eric is somehow double-dipping? (If it's that be man enough to say so.)

I wonder how many of those who don't contribute would be upset if the site were shut down. Of that group, I wonder how many could afford $20 a year or some such?

I just don't understand the thinking. Crap on me all you like, but also consider your own motives. I think this sucks, even if we squeak through again for another year.

Pile on me all you like, now. Then go to Paypal.
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I'll make it simple  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 7:53 am : link
thread on Eric gives I believe, it costs money he needs to supplement the ad revenues to keep this place going. I want it to survive. If he keeps it going then why don't you start a thread in December why you don't contribute. But not now
the reasons Eric gives  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 7:55 am : link
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RE: I'll make it simple  
Cam in MO : 8/25/2014 7:56 am : link
In comment 11823914 Headhunter said:
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thread on Eric gives I believe, it costs money he needs to supplement the ad revenues to keep this place going. I want it to survive. If he keeps it going then why don't you start a thread in December why you don't contribute. But not now


Then shouldn't you be complaining to mg for asking instead of the folks that are answering the question in the OP?


the reasons Eric gives  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 7:56 am : link
Sorry Cam I should have used tying up women and safe words in my poor analogy
RE: the reasons Eric gives  
Cam in MO : 8/25/2014 8:01 am : link
In comment 11823921 Headhunter said:
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Sorry Cam I should have used tying up women and safe words in my poor analogy


Still would have been a poor analogy. They don't ask for, nor receive donations other than the bodily fluid kind.

illmatic  
DavidinBMNY : 8/25/2014 8:02 am : link
Agreed - except I don't think it needs to be 60 days. Shutting the site down now for even 3 days I think would draw a ton of donations and I do think Eric should consider doing that.

RE: RE: the reasons Eric gives  
Jon from PA : 8/25/2014 8:05 am : link
In comment 11823922 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 11823921 Headhunter said:


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Sorry Cam I should have used tying up women and safe words in my poor analogy



Still would have been a poor analogy. They don't ask for, nor receive donations other than the bodily fluid kind.


and it's usually involves more begging than asking, does it not?
Every year since I've been here  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 8:07 am : link
shutting down has been a real possibility. If you've been here a while you know that Eric isn't a bullshitter. I may going about it the wrong way, but I'd like to have BBI around. After the donation campaign ends and hopefully Eric keeps it going, that would be the appropriate time to tell people why you don't donate. Then again if he shuts it down it won't matter
If I donated  
Wuphat : 8/25/2014 8:07 am : link
(which may or may not happen -- it's really nobody's business but mine if I do) and THEN the site shut down as a way to drive more, I think I'd be inclined to cancel my payment.

Appeals are one thing. Blackmail and ransom are different.
RE: illmatic  
Jon from PA : 8/25/2014 8:08 am : link
In comment 11823923 DavidinBMNY said:
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Agreed - except I don't think it needs to be 60 days. Shutting the site down now for even 3 days I think would draw a ton of donations and I do think Eric should consider doing that.


I don't know, if this place were to shut down for any period of time, I'd just move along. I'd go back to getting my Giants news from the beat writers and now FB and my current events from the news. Hell, I'd probably even be a little more productive at work.
Depends on what I'm in the mood for.  
Cam in MO : 8/25/2014 8:10 am : link
Sometimes it's teasing and begging, sometimes it's...a struggle.




It's probably possible to  
Rick5 : 8/25/2014 8:13 am : link
look it up online, but I would bet that donation rates are low for almost all sites (and software). I doubt BBI is unique. When there are no added perks for donating, I imagine that most people won't do it (on any site).
You can voluntarily move along  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 8:15 am : link
or have to move along.
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BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 8:18 am : link
In comment 11823878 montanagiant said:
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In comment 11823551 Headhunter said:


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when the ticket taker asks me for my ticket, I'll walk right past him and say I earned my money how dare you tell me how to spend it!



That really is an excellent analogy


It's actually a terrible analogy.

I have mixed feelings about this thread. On one hand, I like that old people have something to feel good about themselves over. On the other, I hope they don't hurt themselves in the circle jerk.
the dynamics of BBI  
Jon from PA : 8/25/2014 8:18 am : link
are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit.
RE: the dynamics of BBI  
BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 8:27 am : link
In comment 11823944 Jon from PA said:
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are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit.


Make sure to donate to Facebook, Youtube and reddit!
RE: I dont donate  
Big Blue '56 : 8/25/2014 8:31 am : link
In comment 11823685 bigblitz2001 said:
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not because I do not like the website and not because I am cheap, it is because I refuse to pay for content on the internet. Any sites I have visited in the past that have gone the pay model I have moved on. This has been proven over and over that this model does not work (there are sites that have much more original content that have tried and failed to make this work). The way to make money on an internet website is advertising, which this site already does. To say you need to donate to keep it running is disingenuous if Eric could make more money making this site a subscription site he would, fact is he cant. One of the only things i don't like about this site is these posts asking for donations, it feels like taking advantage of people that don't really understand how the business side of the internet works.


Well then, may I suggest you move on again? This is BOTH family and a website..Through this site I have made lifelong friends. Some have been guests at my house..Others I saw every summer during training camp in Albany..We've shared an awful lot offline...I have become friendly with people associated with the Giants and some reporters because of this site.

There are websites and then there is BBI..ASIDE from those who truly are experiencing hard times, a $10-15 donation(or less if that's all you can afford) in lieu of a few packs of cigs or a few drinks, is ALL it would take
To be fair,  
Cam in MO : 8/25/2014 8:38 am : link
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Well then, may I suggest you move on again? This is BOTH family and a website..Through this site I have made lifelong friends. Some have been guests at my house..Others I saw every summer during training camp in Albany..We've shared an awful lot offline...I have become friendly with people associated with the Giants and some reporters because of this site.


While this is a more than worthy reason, not everyone has had the same 'family' experience with BBI that you have had. To some, it's just a site they read and they have no desire to meet (or interact with) other BBIers.

If there is no BBI  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 8:38 am : link
how will I find out if Brett makes it out of puberty and develops a man's voice?
RE: If there is no BBI  
BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 8:39 am : link
In comment 11823973 Headhunter said:
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how will I find out if Brett makes it out of puberty and develops a man's voice?


Follow my Youtube channel!!!
Do I have to  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 8:40 am : link
donate?
Yes.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 8:40 am : link
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I second Brett's youtube channel.  
Cam in MO : 8/25/2014 8:41 am : link
It's like a real life Tobias from Arrested Development.

Then I don't care  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 8:42 am : link
if you grow a pair of tits, pass
RE: To be fair,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/25/2014 8:47 am : link
In comment 11823971 Cam in MO said:
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Well then, may I suggest you move on again? This is BOTH family and a website..Through this site I have made lifelong friends. Some have been guests at my house..Others I saw every summer during training camp in Albany..We've shared an awful lot offline...I have become friendly with people associated with the Giants and some reporters because of this site.




While this is a more than worthy reason, not everyone has had the same 'family' experience with BBI that you have had. To some, it's just a site they read and they have no desire to meet (or interact with) other BBIers.


Fair enough, but NOT my point per se to the poster..The poster said it was just a website as others are. I was pointing out the difference, to me, of this vs other websites. Non-personal interaction is fine as the are no "rules of engagement." Just citing the extra BONUS, to me, of being here..

A quick note: If nothing else, Just the DAILY threads by DefenderDawg with all his Giants and around the league news that would take us an inordinate amount of time to access on our own, is worth a donation, imv..I daresay, very few if any posters provide that ANYWHERE on the web..
While I am sure Eric appreciates the sentiment  
steve in ky : 8/25/2014 8:47 am : link
I am not sure his interests are best served starting a thread in the middle of the drive asking why people don't contribute and which results in people debating the merits of donating and posting what they don't like about the site.
DefenderDawg's great.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 8:48 am : link
We should be paying him for his great work then.
I'm just really glad that guy is here to explain to me how the  
BeerFridge : 8/25/2014 8:51 am : link
internet works. Phew, so relieved.
A site this busy shouldn't have any issues generating  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/25/2014 8:53 am : link
enough revenue to keep itself going. I'm surprised there's an issue with that. There are so many eyes on here I'd think an advertiser would pay well to be linked here.

It would save the trouble of relying on charity.
RE: I'm just really glad that guy is here to explain to me how the  
Cam in MO : 8/25/2014 8:55 am : link
In comment 11823995 BeerFridge said:
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internet works. Phew, so relieved.


It's a series of tubes. That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

hmmm...good pitch. But your delivery needs some work.  
Curtis in VA : 8/25/2014 8:56 am : link
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That means there are many, many hundreds who visit the site regularly, enjoy it in some fashion, and don't contribute a plugged nickel. What is that about? Is it the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free? Is it laziness? Is it cheapness? Is it a suspicion that Eric is somehow double-dipping? (If it's that be man enough to say so.)







RE: hmmm...good pitch. But your delivery needs some work.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 8:58 am : link
In comment 11824000 Curtis in VA said:
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That means there are many, many hundreds who visit the site regularly, enjoy it in some fashion, and don't contribute a plugged nickel. What is that about? Is it the modern idea that everything on the Internet should be free? Is it laziness? Is it cheapness? Is it a suspicion that Eric is somehow double-dipping? (If it's that be man enough to say so.)









Good point, Curtis, that was very sexist.
RE: the dynamics of BBI  
Moondwg : 8/25/2014 9:03 am : link
In comment 11823944 Jon from PA said:
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are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit.


I feel the same way. I took a break for BBI a year ago, and really, my quality of life improved: less wasted time. But I still feel like just taking without giving something back is lame.

Brett: good counterexamples with Reddit and Facebook. We do use sites were we just "take" content. There are a lot of sites like that. Honestly, do they do donation drives? I don't know. If not, they don't count. Wikipedia would be a good example though.
I'm fine with that, actually.  
Curtis in VA : 8/25/2014 9:04 am : link
I'm only here for the hot chick threads and BlueLou's relationship advice anyway.
to my mind  
bc4life : 8/25/2014 9:05 am : link
if you come here frequently and use the site and can afford to donate...anything, I think people should. I will donate - people have a right to ask others to donate. I appreciate the site.

It takes Eric and others a good deal of time, effort, and money to keep the site up and running. People come here and think they shouldn't pay, while others shoulder the burden. Pretty surprised we have this back and forth every year.
I love how HeadHunter is telling other people to stfu  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 9:07 am : link
and not give reasons when that's exactly what the OP was asking for. But if we're being honest, the OP just wanted to guilt the people who haven't donated.

I'm not proud that I don't donate, but I feel no guilt either. I use this site as a message board. I don't really read any of the BBI articles or go to BBI get togethers. If you asked me what was on the BBI front page right now I wouldn't be able to tell you. I post things that I feel like saying and read posts that other people feel like saying.

That being said, I don't understand why Eric wouldn't just let the ad's go crazy and to put his Amazon thing as a sticky. He's really not taking advantage of the platform he has IMO.
....  
SamTheTram : 8/25/2014 9:12 am : link
Eric the answer is simple.

Tell people to film themselves dumping water on their head and the contributions will multiply ten fold!
RE: RE: the dynamics of BBI  
Jon from PA : 8/25/2014 9:28 am : link
In comment 11824005 Moondwg said:
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In comment 11823944 Jon from PA said:


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are entertaining enough for me to not want to voluntarily move along. But if it went away, I wouldn't lose any sleep. Just like any number of websites I visit.



I feel the same way. I took a break for BBI a year ago, and really, my quality of life improved: less wasted time. But I still feel like just taking without giving something back is lame.

Brett: good counterexamples with Reddit and Facebook. We do use sites were we just "take" content. There are a lot of sites like that. Honestly, do they do donation drives? I don't know. If not, they don't count. Wikipedia would be a good example though.


Don't get me wrong, I've donated in the past. And I too took a break and even changed my handle and I also found I wasted much less time than when I posted under my previous handle. I was just commenting on the silly notion of everybody freaking out if BBI were to shut down.
I don't view the threat of shutdown as credible, anyway.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 9:45 am : link
Eric would be nuts to shut down the site. He'd almost certainly be able to fetch six figures - to just shut it down would be crazy.
If this place shuts down  
Blue Baller : 8/25/2014 9:56 am : link
I'll just follow Rich Houston to the new board

I'll sign up for Paulie's board  
Headhunter : 8/25/2014 10:09 am : link
if this shuts down
If there were no BBI  
Route 9 in LEH : 8/25/2014 10:11 am : link
What would take it's place (besides Giants.com) as the number one source for Giants info? Eh, whatever I'd guess I'd have to follow the drivel chicken scratch by the idiots who run the Giants 101 Facebook. Settle. Settle.
I was staring a lay of right in the eye and I still donated  
Chef : 8/25/2014 11:56 am : link
and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.
RE: I was staring a lay of right in the eye and I still donated  
Cam in MO : 8/25/2014 12:08 pm : link
In comment 11824345 Chef said:
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and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.


Yeah, well Brett has been blowing random dudes in the bathroom at Penn station to support his meth habit, and he still donated.


RE: I was staring a lay of right in the eye and I still donated  
Jon from PA : 8/25/2014 12:10 pm : link
In comment 11824345 Chef said:
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and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.


I'm sorry you you got laid off but there's no way in hell I would have done the same. I guess that shows your loyalty to this internet message board?
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BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 12:12 pm : link
In comment 11824359 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 11824345 Chef said:


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and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.



Yeah, well Brett has been blowing random dudes in the bathroom at Penn station to support his meth habit, and he still donated.



Given most are repeats, I wouldn't call them random.
RE: RE: I was staring a lay of right in the eye and I still donated  
Jon from PA : 8/25/2014 12:12 pm : link
In comment 11824359 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 11824345 Chef said:


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and yes I eventually was laid off with a wife family and house.



Yeah, well Brett has been blowing random dudes in the bathroom at Penn station to support his meth habit, and he still donated.



I wouldn't exactly call infecting random dudes with the herp "donating".
facebook  
MookGiants : 8/25/2014 12:18 pm : link
has a market cap of like 193 billion. Comparing BBI to facebook is fucking stupid, they make PLENTY of money on the backs of the readers. Eric does not, therefore needs donations. You cheap fucks need to donate.
even  
MookGiants : 8/25/2014 12:19 pm : link
if it's just a few dollars.
Fuck off, Mook.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/25/2014 12:20 pm : link
Piece of shit.
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