I watched every Giant game last year and the first 4 games this year and have reached 2 conclusions. JPP is either a has-been or just isn't putting forth the effort. He received a pass last year because he was recovering from an injury. This year looks like last year. He doesn't have a bull-rush or spin move and gets zero penetration off the line of scrimmage. The left tackle seems to handle him with ease. My suggestion is to move him to left end and start Moore at right end. Moore has the speed and enthusiasm and needs the experience to develop this year in to a prime defensive end.
My 2nd proposal is far more difficult to state. Eli Manning attempting to run the new offense is like watching Chris Christie perform ballet. It just doesn't work. Eli looks totally uncomfortable in this new offense. If we disregard the final 1:37 of the 2nd quarter of the Jet game, he has accomplished next to nothing in the preseason. This is my proposal. Sam Bradford suffered a season ending ACL injury. Would the Giants consider trading Eli to the Rams for next years 1st round pick? Just the thought of this makes me sick, but considering the way things are progressing it may not be such a bad idea. Elevate Nassib to be the starter and keep Painter as the experienced back-up and let Nassib develop. I could see Beckham, Cruz, and Washington as the eventual starters. I know this is a major move with Eli. I've been a die-hard fan since 1971. Curious how this scenario would be received by other posters.
If they are going to win this year some things are going to have to break right on the OL inlcuding Beatty and Walton bouncing back, Richburg/Mosley developing quickly. If not they're, not going to e that good. But they have a better chance to win hoping a few things break right on the OL and its solid AND having a big time deep threat at WR, a top CB and a solid running back rather than getting the sure fire good OL and not having those other weapons.
So I endorse Reese's strategy in principle at least.
2. I hope its not the case, but I think Eli is done. I think the days of bad athletes at the QB position are over (unless you are a precision passer and have tremendous command of an offense - neither of which are Eli's traits).
How can you say Eli doesn't have total command of an offense? If nothing else, that is one of his greatest strengths. He has known the Giants offense inside and out almost from day one. This may be a new offense, but the same work ethic and football IQ exist.
We've spent a fair number of mid-round picks on the OL over the years and few, if any, have developed into good NFL players or even average starters. Coaches, both positional and head, get credited with that type of development when it happens (i.e. Seattle with DBs, previous iterations of the Giants on the OL, many QB coaches, etc).
The flip-side would be that coaches would get deducted credit for the failure of players to develop. This doesn't really happen, understandably so, because there's a knowledge vacuum. We just don't know if those players really didn't have the material or if the material wasn't maximized.
I'm not saying that this is the case. I couldn't possibly have the information necessary to claim it. Really, nobody could have that information, although people on the inside would be closer to having it. But it is something to consider.
And I'd add that we attempted to address that with Baas but failed.
I think the investment has been there in terms of signings and draft picks, but the execution has been quite poor.
Hopefully it changes this season.
Honestly, you can even date back to them signing say Shawn Andrews after 2009, as them trying to rebuild/invest and it not ending up working out for them.
(Though that's one deal that I don't blame them for not working. It was a little risk/great reward that unfortunately they only got rewarded with one season out of. If his back had somehow held up, that would have been a huge boon to this team the last few years, as he was a proven quality player and not just a one-year wonder like a Baas, for example.)
he's the epitome of a rhythm quarterback. When he's in synch and the offensive timing is down he's as good as there is.
he's not great when things break down (consistently).
This team will live and die with the OL, I was concerned about it last year (and that's when I thought Beatty was good), I'm concerned about it this year when I don't know what to think of Beatty.
In fact, that's the problem. I don't know what to think of Schwartz at LG (where he has not been adquate) and is now injured, no clue what to think of Walton, no idea what to think of Richburg and hope Pugh is just rusty.
A lot of questions on the one unit that can make or break the season.
I easily can be proven incorrect as the season draws to a close, but I have to believe an interior of Walton, Richburg and whomever (for now) mans the other OG spot will allow Eli to step up into the pocket(his strength) better, perhaps much better than Baas, Snee and Boothe did..
he's the epitome of a rhythm quarterback. When he's in synch and the offensive timing is down he's as good as there is.
he's not great when things break down (consistently).
This team will live and die with the OL, I was concerned about it last year (and that's when I thought Beatty was good), I'm concerned about it this year when I don't know what to think of Beatty.
In fact, that's the problem. I don't know what to think of Schwartz at LG (where he has not been adquate) and is now injured, no clue what to think of Walton, no idea what to think of Richburg and hope Pugh is just rusty.
A lot of questions on the one unit that can make or break the season.
Mostly agree aside from his 2011 year. He was in a zone that year and his pocket awareness was so amazing that he would always seem to slide step the rush and find a spot to make a strong and accurate throw from.
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I'd argue that the OL needed major investment starting in 2010.
And I'd add that we attempted to address that with Baas but failed.
I think the investment has been there in terms of signings and draft picks, but the execution has been quite poor.
Hopefully it changes this season.
Honestly, you can even date back to them signing say Shawn Andrews after 2009, as them trying to rebuild/invest and it not ending up working out for them.
(Though that's one deal that I don't blame them for not working. It was a little risk/great reward that unfortunately they only got rewarded with one season out of. If his back had somehow held up, that would have been a huge boon to this team the last few years, as he was a proven quality player and not just a one-year wonder like a Baas, for example.)
I forgot about him, great point. He was really good when he was healthy. That was an excellent signing, despite his issues.
The question should be how far away are the Giants from contending. If they are not close then Eli is a wasted asset. Eli is special as a player and a perfect fit for NY with his even demeanor. Yet, that did not save him last year when the rest of the offense disintegrated.
Those who really like him as a player might consider whether he would benefit from moving to a team that can actually protect him, offer a quality TE and at least a couple of receivers who might stretch the field. Unless things come together soon for this offense, Eli will be running for his life all year and getting blamed for every loss.
Ask Eli's dad how it felt to play with a rebuilding-average team for an entire career.
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1. I'd guess JPP is playing it safe and not going balls out here in pre-season.
2. I hope its not the case, but I think Eli is done. I think the days of bad athletes at the QB position are over (unless you are a precision passer and have tremendous command of an offense - neither of which are Eli's traits).
How can you say Eli doesn't have total command of an offense? If nothing else, that is one of his greatest strengths. He has known the Giants offense inside and out almost from day one. This may be a new offense, but the same work ethic and football IQ exist. --> He is a smart guy, no doubt but he doesn't seem to have the same command as his brother, Brady even Rivers (the other bad athletes that are NFL QBs).
But what does it mean, if a rookie outplays a vet we shelled out big bucks for? Baas? Beatty? Bueller?
But what does it mean, if a rookie outplays a vet we shelled out big bucks for? Baas? Beatty? Bueller?
It means we either got a great rookie or overpaid for a JAG vet