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kmed : 8/25/2014 9:36 am
ESPN Boston thinks Ridley could be cut. If so, Vereen becomes extremely valuable.

My draft is thur, still sticking with the same stretegy. Hoping a top 4 back falls to me at 6, if not, Calvin, Graham and D. Thomas are in play for me. Then going to try and grab one of the top 3 QB's at 15 if they are available. Unless someone like Bernard or Lynch(highly doubtful) falls to me in the 3rd, I won't be taking a RB until rd 4 at the earliest. I just don't like the 3rd tier RB's in rd's 3 and 4 just because I need a RB. The value isn't there.
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A couple of players that had good preseason games  
kmed : 8/25/2014 9:40 am : link
could be moving up peoples draft boards. Do you guys put any stock into games by Emmanual Sanders, Rivers, Gates?

I never put stock into guys that have poor preseasons, but I am down on DJax in Washington. I don't think RGMe is going to be a good pocket passer and I think he really feels comfortable with Garcon.
Garcon and Reed are going to be the top two targets in Washington  
jlukes : 8/25/2014 9:42 am : link
Robert loves throwing to Reed. Reed will have a huge season if he just stays healthy.

Welker's concussions make for an interesting scenario for Sanders. Sanders could have a huge season if Welker is out for an extended period of time.

This is why I kind of like having the draft early  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 9:43 am : link
Not everything is force fed to you yet by reports and you have to muster up some gut calls with your picks. Injuries do suck though.

Vereen is a stud and is going to kill it if healthy.

Emannuel Sanders also had a big night in his only pre season game. 5 receptions, 128 yards, 2 TDs.

Say what you want about Sanders' skillset. But Peyton will surely give him his fair share of the rock, especially if Welker gets dinged up again.
Lynch  
River Vale NJ Fan : 8/25/2014 9:43 am : link
I think it would be a mistake to pass up Lynch for D Thomas or Graham, not sure why the perception that he will drop off in production.
where would you put Andre Ellington  
Strahan91 : 8/25/2014 9:47 am : link
He seems like the workhorse in Arizona, getting nearly all snaps with the first team. I'd prefer him over someone like Doug Martin who is splitting carries on a team with a suspect o-line
I'm starting to come around on Sanders  
kmed : 8/25/2014 9:48 am : link
and totally agree regarding Welker.

I like Reed, but I just feel like he's being really overvalued right now. Even last year if you annualize his season, he would have ended up as the 7th ranked TE in my league. Let's assume he stays healthy and improves a little on last year, he can be a #4 or #5 TE, but that's still in the pack with guys like Cameron, Davis, Witten, Olsen and a few other guys. I just don't like his value in the 5-6 rounds.
...  
26.2 : 8/25/2014 9:49 am : link
I had 5th pick in 10 team league. I didn't go RB til later. calvin, brees, cruz and vjax. rolling with mathews, vereen (so I really hope ridley gets cut), woodhead, Dwilliams and andre williams. also have rudolph as a TE who is getting a lot of hype.

QB - Brees, Eli
WR - calvin, VJax, Cruz, wallace and T Austin
RB - vereen, mathews, woodhead, D Williams, andre williams
TE - Rudolph
DST - SF
K - don't remember. I think the NO guy.
River, you aren't going to find many guys higher on Lynch  
kmed : 8/25/2014 9:49 am : link
than myself, but I think there's a chance he can drop to me in rd 2. I love Lynch this year, but I'm not sure I like his value at #6 for a few reasons.
5-6 round value for Reed???  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 9:49 am : link
I got him in round 8 of a 12 team league. That's not even me bragging. I'm pretty sure that's right along his ADP.
I like Ellington,  
kmed : 8/25/2014 9:51 am : link
but he's in my 3rd tier RB's and would consider him in rd 3 if I really felt like I needed to go RB(doubtful), but I see him more of a rd 4 target for me.

1st tier:
Charles
Mccoy
AP
Forte

2nd tier:
Lynch
Lacy
Bernard
Bell
Murray

3rd tier:
Ellington
Ball
Foster
Martin
Morris
had my draft yesterday, this could be good news for me  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 9:52 am : link
or James White owner, who went in the 17th round.

my team:

QB: Nick Foles (4th round)
QB: RG3 (11th round)
RB: Matt Forte (1st round)
RB: Shane Vereen (3rd round)
RB: Ben Tate (5th round)
RB: Bernard Pierce: (9th round)
RB: Carlos Hyde (10th round)
RB: Christine Michael (16th round)
RB: Knile Davis (15th round)
WR: Julio Jones (Keeper 7th round)
WR: Kennan Allen (2nd round)
WR: Victor Cruz (6th round)
WR: Percy Harvin (keeper 8th round)
WR: Jordan Matthews (12th round)
WR/TE (no TE needed): Dennis Pitta (13th round)
WR/TE: Ladarius Green (14th round)
WR: Aaron Dobson (17th round)

I moved Dobson to IR and picked up Arizona D, so I need to cut someone for a kicker. Probably Ladarius Green or Knile Davis.
RE: 5-6 round value for Reed???  
kmed : 8/25/2014 9:52 am : link
In comment 11824057 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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I got him in round 8 of a 12 team league. That's not even me bragging. I'm pretty sure that's right along his ADP.


No, he's been moving up charts. Probably another difference when you draft so damn early.
RE: ...  
kmed : 8/25/2014 9:54 am : link
In comment 11824055 26.2 said:
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I had 5th pick in 10 team league. I didn't go RB til later. calvin, brees, cruz and vjax. rolling with mathews, vereen (so I really hope ridley gets cut), woodhead, Dwilliams and andre williams. also have rudolph as a TE who is getting a lot of hype.

QB - Brees, Eli
WR - calvin, VJax, Cruz, wallace and T Austin
RB - vereen, mathews, woodhead, D Williams, andre williams
TE - Rudolph
DST - SF
K - don't remember. I think the NO guy.


This very well could be similar to my team when I draft. I probably would have gone in a diff direction than VJax, but still love the WR's that will be available at that pick. This is exactly my strategy and I hope it unfolds like your draft did.
pjcas  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 9:57 am : link
I know nothing about keeper leagues but that seems like a really good team. Your weakness is at QB, but Foles will have forever to throw behind that amazing OL.

Right now I currently have Shane Vereen and James White. I'm not going to hope someone gets cut and becomes unemployed, but I wouldn't necessarily be upset if Ridley got canned.
What do you guys think of  
BIG FRED : 8/25/2014 9:57 am : link
Jordan Matthews ? I got him with my last pick ..i think he is gonna have a big year for the Eagles .
Jordan  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 9:57 am : link
Reed went in the 16th out of 17 rounds yesterday in my draft.

Skewed because it's a keeper league and non TE mandatory, but in all 15 or 16 TE's were drafted
I have the 2nd pick  
dep026 : 8/25/2014 9:59 am : link
coming up next week. The guy with the 1st pick isnt showing his hand. He is telling people he is taking Manning (QBs get more points in my league). So how would you rank the top 3 RBs?

McCoy, AP, Charles. Its .25 PPR. My order is...

McCoy
AP
Charles

I think Charles dips a little this year since they are missing a lot of OL from last year.
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 10:00 am : link
In comment 11824071 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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I know nothing about keeper leagues but that seems like a really good team. Your weakness is at QB, but Foles will have forever to throw behind that amazing OL.

Right now I currently have Shane Vereen and James White. I'm not going to hope someone gets cut and becomes unemployed, but I wouldn't necessarily be upset if Ridley got canned.


I think it's middle of the road, obviously I have a lot riding on Foles. I hope he's more like he 27/2 QB we saw last year than not. Also on some guys like julio jones, percy harvin, and Ben tate staying healthy.

It hopefully works out for me.

BIG FRED I like Mattthews, drafted him in the 12th round. I have Foles and I think before long he's the go to guy there (once Maclin gets hurt).
I went Jimmy Graham in the 1st  
allstarjim : 8/25/2014 10:01 am : link
Could not be more pleased.
10 team league... Standard scoring (money league). Picked 8th:

Qb: Aaron Rodgers
Rb: Rashad Jennings
Rb: CJ Spiller
Wr: Alshon Jeffrey
Wr: Cordarelle Patterson
Te: Jimmy Graham
Flex: Shane Vereen

Bn: Nick Foles
Bn: Jeremy Maclin
Bn: Hakeem Nicks
Bn: Josh Gordon
Bn: Andre Williams
Bn: Golden Tate
K: Blair Walsh
DEF: Rams
RE: pjcas  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:03 am : link
In comment 11824071 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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I know nothing about keeper leagues but that seems like a really good team. Your weakness is at QB, but Foles will have forever to throw behind that amazing OL.

Right now I currently have Shane Vereen and James White. I'm not going to hope someone gets cut and becomes unemployed, but I wouldn't necessarily be upset if Ridley got canned.


That's funny, I'd be so upset if this were my team. Some terrible value, IMO.
I really don't know how keeper teams leagues work  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 10:04 am : link
I just assumed the rounds are way different than my league. Like Vereen so early in the 3rd and Victor Cruz so late in the 6th.
RE: ...  
allstarjim : 8/25/2014 10:06 am : link
In comment 11824055 26.2 said:
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I had 5th pick in 10 team league. I didn't go RB til later. calvin, brees, cruz and vjax. rolling with mathews, vereen (so I really hope ridley gets cut), woodhead, Dwilliams and andre williams. also have rudolph as a TE who is getting a lot of hype.

QB - Brees, Eli
WR - calvin, VJax, Cruz, wallace and T Austin
RB - vereen, mathews, woodhead, D Williams, andre williams
TE - Rudolph
DST - SF
K - don't remember. I think the NO guy.


This year there is no reason to take Megatron that high. I got Alshon Jeffrey in the 3rd round of a 10 team league. I didn't take a RB until the 4th, and Vereen is my flex. That's not a good team. You have a lot of work to do.
You cannot compare Calvin to Jeffery.  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:08 am : link
First off, Calvin is about as sure a thing as you will find in fantasy. Jeffery had a great season last year, but he has a 1 year history.
RE: I really don't know how keeper teams leagues work  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 10:10 am : link
In comment 11824092 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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I just assumed the rounds are way different than my league. Like Vereen so early in the 3rd and Victor Cruz so late in the 6th.

It's one of the better teams in the league.

When I took Vereen the next 5 players taken were (and it's a PPR league): Julius Thomas, DeSean Jackson, Wes Welker, Matthew Stafford and Cordarelle Patterson).

I'd take Vereen over every single one of them - with or without my keeper construct and first two picks.

He's just good value there (if he can stay healthy).
What makes Megatron so valuable  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 10:11 am : link
Is how much of a rock he is. He's not a lock to put up the most points as a fantasy WR, but he's a lock to be in the mix. He also plays through legitimate injuries and produces.
My strategy for years  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:14 am : link
has been to take as little risk as possible with my first few picks. There's really very limited risk to Calvin. You know he's going to be a top 3 WR if he stays healthy and it's not like he's an injury risk, he's missed 5 games in his 7 year career.
picked #1 yesterday  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2014 10:18 am : link
12 teams, .5 PPR, all TD's 6 points and 50 passing yards per 1 point.

QB - Brady
RB - McCoy, Sankey, Ingram, Hyde, Blount, McCluster
WR - Jeffrey, A. Brown, M. Floyd, Benjamin, Hunter
TE - Reed, Rudolph
Def - Rams

I think I have a pretty solid team with WR being the strength. If Sankey can be the lead back by mid-season i'll be in very good shape.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2014 10:18 am : link
I am very high on Sanders. I thought he was on the verge of breaking out in PIT and now he's in a perfect spot. Especially if Welker is going to miss time. He's a very high end WR2, IMO.
RE: You cannot compare Calvin to Jeffery.  
allstarjim : 8/25/2014 10:19 am : link
In comment 11824098 kmed said:
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First off, Calvin is about as sure a thing as you will find in fantasy. Jeffery had a great season last year, but he has a 1 year history.


Yeah, but we're talking value at the spot you are taking him. Peyton Manning or Jimmy Graham gives you a distinct advantage weekly, one of those guys I would take over Calvin. In addition, you could've gotten Lacey at 5, who I believe belongs in the first tier of RBs. I would've taken Graham. You can argue that while Calvin is fantastic, the drop off between him to Dez, Marshall, Green, and yes Jeffrey, maybe Julio Jones... is not going to be much if at all. And that's why you just don't take him that high this year. This is the deepest WR fantasy class I've ever seen.
I'm loving Brady's value  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:19 am : link
in rd's 7-8. I plan on taking one of the big 3 in rd 2, but I'm def targetting Brady as well later in the draft.
Ridley being cut  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2014 10:20 am : link
seems like a longshot to me. I don't think they go that young at RB with almost no experience (especially blocking for Brady).
RE: .  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:20 am : link
In comment 11824115 arcarsenal said:
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I am very high on Sanders. I thought he was on the verge of breaking out in PIT and now he's in a perfect spot. Especially if Welker is going to miss time. He's a very high end WR2, IMO.


I agree with the 2nd part, but not the first. I was never impressed with him in Pitt at all.
RE: I'm loving Brady's value  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2014 10:20 am : link
In comment 11824119 kmed said:
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in rd's 7-8. I plan on taking one of the big 3 in rd 2, but I'm def targetting Brady as well later in the draft.


My draft above is Brady in Round 7. He should be much improved on last year, and could be top 5 if Gronk plays a full season.
RE: RE: You cannot compare Calvin to Jeffery.  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:21 am : link
In comment 11824118 allstarjim said:
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In comment 11824098 kmed said:


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First off, Calvin is about as sure a thing as you will find in fantasy. Jeffery had a great season last year, but he has a 1 year history.



Yeah, but we're talking value at the spot you are taking him. Peyton Manning or Jimmy Graham gives you a distinct advantage weekly, one of those guys I would take over Calvin. In addition, you could've gotten Lacey at 5, who I believe belongs in the first tier of RBs. I would've taken Graham. You can argue that while Calvin is fantastic, the drop off between him to Dez, Marshall, Green, and yes Jeffrey, maybe Julio Jones... is not going to be much if at all. And that's why you just don't take him that high this year. This is the deepest WR fantasy class I've ever seen.


First off, regarding Peyton. I love him this year, but I also love the value of Brees and Rodgers in rd 2 better. If I pass on Calvin in rd 1, I'm not going to get Dez, Marshall, Green, Thomas. I do not view Jeffery and Jones in that class at all. They are in my next tier.
I reached and panicked by taking Matt Ryan at 82 overall  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 10:25 am : link
But I think I got really great value with Rivers at 106. He just looks so poised out there and is making it look real easy. Just full control.

Matt Ryan looks pretty good too, to be fair.
I'm shocked that Rivers  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:26 am : link
is dropping so far in most leagues. He was the 3rd ranked QB last year in my league and I think he's going to be great again.
The notion is that  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 10:30 am : link
Rivers had a cupcake schedule last year, and this year he is facing a lot of tough defenses. That is actually true, but just going by the eye test, Rivers looks great.
i'm really hoping the Sankey  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2014 10:31 am : link
stuff is just pre-season talk. He's got so much talent and can be a monster running with Wright, Washington, and Hunter taking legit coverage. That team may put up some points this year and I don't see Greene being in their longterm plans.
RE: picked #1 yesterday  
allstarjim : 8/25/2014 10:33 am : link
In comment 11824113 UConn4523 said:
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12 teams, .5 PPR, all TD's 6 points and 50 passing yards per 1 point.

QB - Brady
RB - McCoy, Sankey, Ingram, Hyde, Blount, McCluster
WR - Jeffrey, A. Brown, M. Floyd, Benjamin, Hunter
TE - Reed, Rudolph
Def - Rams

I think I have a pretty solid team with WR being the strength. If Sankey can be the lead back by mid-season i'll be in very good shape.


Pretty strong, hopefully Brady will perform for you. He killed me last year.
When you look at Rivers' career.  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:35 am : link
clearly 2012 is the year that doesn't fit. His 2013 season was right in line with the majority of his career and was clearly not an aberration. He's got weapons as well with Allen, Floyd, Gates, Green, Woodhead and Mathews.

Rivers is absolutely on my radar. My initial goal is to get one of the big 3 in rd 2, if not, Brady, Rivers and Foles are on my radar for value picks late in the draft.
UConn your team is rock solid  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 10:36 am : link
You have one glaring hole, which I'm sure you know, at RB2. I have zero faith in Sankey this year personally, but I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. Luckily you have probably the best fantasy RB in the league to make up for that.

I think Brady is going to have a good year for his team, but I don't think he's going to be a fantasy dynamo. Who's your backup QB?
Hard to rely  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2014 10:36 am : link
on rookie running backs. The alfred morris and doug martins are the exceptions IMO.

the Ryan Williams and David Wilsons are more realistic.

they could thrive, I just don't want to have to rely on them.

speaking of ryan williams, he'll be available on the waiver wire but he's worth keeping an eye on.

he might not even make the team (I think he will), but if he doesn't he'll wind up somewhere and be one of those guys who gets a shot. he's looked good in pre-season.
RE: RE: RE: You cannot compare Calvin to Jeffery.  
allstarjim : 8/25/2014 10:38 am : link
In comment 11824124 kmed said:
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In comment 11824118 allstarjim said:


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In comment 11824098 kmed said:


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First off, Calvin is about as sure a thing as you will find in fantasy. Jeffery had a great season last year, but he has a 1 year history.



Yeah, but we're talking value at the spot you are taking him. Peyton Manning or Jimmy Graham gives you a distinct advantage weekly, one of those guys I would take over Calvin. In addition, you could've gotten Lacey at 5, who I believe belongs in the first tier of RBs. I would've taken Graham. You can argue that while Calvin is fantastic, the drop off between him to Dez, Marshall, Green, and yes Jeffrey, maybe Julio Jones... is not going to be much if at all. And that's why you just don't take him that high this year. This is the deepest WR fantasy class I've ever seen.



First off, regarding Peyton. I love him this year, but I also love the value of Brees and Rodgers in rd 2 better. If I pass on Calvin in rd 1, I'm not going to get Dez, Marshall, Green, Thomas. I do not view Jeffery and Jones in that class at all. They are in my next tier.


You may be right... But I suspect one of those guys would have been there at 16 overall. But you look at my team and then look at yours. Are you THAT confident Calvin is going to outperform Jeffrey to make up for the clear advantage at TE I will have with Graham? TE is very shallow this year. You could've had more bang for your buck, that's all... But good luck.
I passed on Foles in favor of Brady  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2014 10:38 am : link
because I expect Brady to be improved on 25 TD's and I expect Foles to digress some. I also have McCoy and didn't want 2 of my top scorers on the same Bye week, or having a gigantic off day at the same time.

But I did have Brady last year and he was bad based on where he was drafted (5th for me IIRC), but he's a steal in the 7th anyway you slice it. 30 TD's is a real possibility.
If there's one position where you can rely on a rookie,  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:39 am : link
it's RB. Obviously a great deal of risk comes with it, but rookie QB's, TE's and WR's rarely produce for fantasy purposes. There is a much longer list of RB's that have been fantasy relevant.
allstarjim,  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:39 am : link
I didn't even draft my team yet. I draft on thu.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2014 10:40 am : link
I still can't sell myself on Sankey. I don't think I would draft him unless he really dropped into a potentially high value slot. In some ways he reminds me of Daryl Richardson from last year.
I think Brady is a safer pick and better value based on where  
kmed : 8/25/2014 10:40 am : link
they are both going, but Foles' upside is really high. Up tempo offense, they want to run more plays than everyone else, they love to pass the ball and he had an amazing season last year in part time. His fantasy upside is higher than Brady's, but I like Brady's value more.
RE: UConn your team is rock solid  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2014 10:40 am : link
In comment 11824149 AnotherGiantsFan said:
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You have one glaring hole, which I'm sure you know, at RB2. I have zero faith in Sankey this year personally, but I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. Luckily you have probably the best fantasy RB in the league to make up for that.

I think Brady is going to have a good year for his team, but I don't think he's going to be a fantasy dynamo. Who's your backup QB?


No backup QB. Didn't see the value in taking one just to ride my bench and pass up on guys like Hyde, Banjamin, Hunter who can be valuable once they get looks/touches.

I'll roll with a Tennehill, Locker, Hill on Brady's BYE week.
Oh yeah and pjcas  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/25/2014 10:40 am : link
You don't have to convince me about Shane Vereen. I love the guy. But I could have sworn I posted on here talking about how I might reach for him in round 4 and you told me that's a little too rich and should just wait in round 5. Did you taking him in the 3rd due to it being a keeper league, or did you have a change of heart on Vereen? Or do I have the wrong guy pegged?
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