I know some don't like or trust SB nation, but I found this article interesting. How accurate the analysis is, I could not tell. I'll leave that to the BBI self professed experts.
Giants OL - an analysis advocating the line needs time to gel and trust one another to get their individual assignments done correctly.
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They need time to gel. Period. End of story. If they collectively prove to be crap as we're wll into the season, then so be it. Right now, NOTHING definitive can be opined, pro or con
Maybe im missing it, but I dont really see where guys are getting manhandled? I dont see guys getting bullrushed into the qb. Its a matter of guys running completely free, which often has to do with missed assignments. Stunts require the OL to have good communication, and that only comes with time.
Schwartz has looked bad on a couple of plays, but outside of that, it looks a lot like the lineman are choosing the wrong times to help and not help and the backs are whiffing or are completely not seeing blitzers.
I'd settle for irrational analysis. Half the time it seems posters haven't even watched the same game.
Watch Wilkerson against Walton or Richburg but especially watch Richardson against Jerry. That's the middle of the line getting mashed on most running plays in the 1st half.
Yup, and one of those times was Beatty getting smoked by Babin. He's gotta step up and improve fast, but that could partly be due to some rust from all the time he's missed.
Oops, just noticed. Shiffling=shuffling
That's almost been my point since they started to put this line together once FA started
I'd consider Beatty getting beat by the POS Babin getting "manhandled". He wasn't physically beat, but he was certainly mentally manhandled on that swim move in a clear 1v1 siutation.
Having time to gel isn't going to solve that particular issue (hopefully knocking the rust off does).
I noticed on the TD before the half that the RDE (I think Richardson) actually dropped into coverage in the middle of the field instead of rushing the QB. I have no idea why he would do that but that's probably a big reason why Eli had time to throw a good pass to Randle.
Did he have the same poor technique last year? If so, that's an indictment against the FO for giving him that contract. Could some of the poor technique be due to the switch from RG to LG and the different footwork involved?
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are getting manhandled?ive seen a few whiffs and failure to pick up stunts and delayed blitzes. I don't remember anyone getting bull rushed and blown up
I'd consider Beatty getting beat by the POS Babin getting "manhandled". He wasn't physically beat, but he was certainly mentally manhandled on that swim move in a clear 1v1 siutation.
Having time to gel isn't going to solve that particular issue (hopefully knocking the rust off does).
Was Beatty expecting help from the guard or even RB? If not, it was inexcusable for someone with his experience.
If you're an optimist, you attribute that to it being rust from missing most of camp and only getting 15 snaps the previous game.
If you're a pessimist, it's a repeat of the Beatty we saw last year.
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technique has been awful and that is not a result of not know his assignment. He plays too high. His weight is unbalanced. His footwork is bad. That is what I am troubled with. A player with his experience should not be doing that. On one hand, it is very correctable but on the other hand a vet with his experience shouldn't be making those mistakes. If he is making them at this stage of his career are they correctable or is he set in his ways?
Did he have the same poor technique last year? If so, that's an indictment against the FO for giving him that contract. Could some of the poor technique be due to the switch from RG to LG and the different footwork involved?
I truly don't know. I was excited when we got him but now that I have seen him I am not impressed. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on him but I don't think be should be given a starting spot. He should earn it.
They need time to gel. Period. End of story. If they collectively prove to be crap as we're wll into the season, then so be it. Right now, NOTHING definitive can be opined, pro or con
One doesn't need to be a carpenter to tel that anothers work is sloppy, or that the builder had no talent.
I don't need to be a lawyer to know mine sucked and the other guy had a good one. I don't need to be a mechanic to tell if a guy is just a parts changer and has no real talent or diagnostic skills.I don't need to be a painter to see some guys work is shit and meaningless.
In aspectator sport, whose revenue is based on the work product of entertainment provided to us, the fans, I hate to break it to you but fans are as good a judge as anyone else, and often you'll see management taking years to bring themselves to face what fans are often saying for the longest time.
It's true it will take this line time to gel, but they play soft, no intent, with no physicality, much like the defense played last year before Beason arrived.
guys getting blown of f the line or guys running across their faces isn't gelling, it's just playing like shit with no real sustained effort.
That said I'm not sure Schwartz getting hurt isn't addition by subtraction.
If Mosely and Walton can step up their games I think we'll be OK.
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and different experimental line combinations? That kind of manhandled?
They need time to gel. Period. End of story. If they collectively prove to be crap as we're wll into the season, then so be it. Right now, NOTHING definitive can be opined, pro or con
The lack of physicality is appaling.Plenty can be opined.This is the same fuc,mking bullshit that was touted here last preseason. Same bukllkshit when it was said last year was a rebuilding year, they weren't set to be competitive. The whole notion nothing can be known or learned from seeing a team play 4 games, or that noone knows except the prfessionals is bullshit.
One doesn't need to be a carpenter to tel that anothers work is sloppy, or that the builder had no talent.
I don't need to be a lawyer to know mine sucked and the other guy had a good one. I don't need to be a mechanic to tell if a guy is just a parts changer and has no real talent or diagnostic skills.I don't need to be a painter to see some guys work is shit and meaningless.
In aspectator sport, whose revenue is based on the work product of entertainment provided to us, the fans, I hate to break it to you but fans are as good a judge as anyone else, and often you'll see management taking years to bring themselves to face what fans are often saying for the longest time.
It's true it will take this line time to gel, but they play soft, no intent, with no physicality, much like the defense played last year before Beason arrived.
guys getting blown of f the line or guys running across their faces isn't gelling, it's just playing like shit with no real sustained effort.
That said I'm not sure Schwartz getting hurt isn't addition by subtraction.
If Mosely and Walton can step up their games I think we'll be OK.
Again, nothing definitive/factual can be opined. Yes, the professionals know much more than you and I. We have Tv. They have film of every angle..As to physicality how the hell can you tell? Have you watched other OLs around the league? I doubt it..You have no idea what line calls there are. You have no idea how much confusion is there right now. It's a work in progress as it is EVERY pre-season, especially with limited practice time(per CBA)..Especially with a new OL..
I hear you, but at least let us get into the first 1/3 of the season to see how well or how badly they mesh?
Well, often, most seasons, I make a preseason prediction about their record, how I think the team is going to do for the year.Like, waiting to see what they do is kinda checkenshit, at that point you already know.Last 2 SBs i called it before the season, abd hadn't called it any other time.
This year, I honestly have no idea.I don't know If Eli will bounce back, I don't know if the TEs wind up being effective orm w hole in the roster, I don't know how long it takes the line to come together or if they ever do.I don't know If MacAadoo will be worth a damn calling games.
I have to be honest, about the only thing I am certain about is that TC is a capable coach and will do his utmost to have them prepared every week.In a year when the focus is on everywhere but him, i think this year will be one of the most challenging, and maybe one of the most important
in retrospect for TCs legacy.
I'd say we won't know about this team til the 3rd game against a weaker Houston unit. We need a good start, a surprise start, cause I'm not so sure we can stand up to the better teams until later in the year.
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who said you really don't know what you have until you've played at least 4 games(regular season)
Well, often, most seasons, I make a preseason prediction about their record, how I think the team is going to do for the year.Like, waiting to see what they do is kinda checkenshit, at that point you already know.Last 2 SBs i called it before the season, abd hadn't called it any other time.
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Will they stay with Walton at center and not even try Richburg at his natural position?
If you move Richburg to Center, now you've weakened your other guard spot just to improve at center, since Walton can't play guard.