How many games do you give an ineffective Manning?

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If Eli sucks again, you boot this year and don't risk getting Nassib hurt behind our weak OL. You say "thanks for everything but it's time to move on" to Eli after this season and then you improve the OL so Nassib has a better chance to succeed next year.

I ride and die with Eli this year.

absolutely nuts.

playoffs.

I fully expect Eli to be better than last year and hope we never see Nassib start a game for us. Just playing along with the hypothetical in my previous post.

One more 2013-esque season from Eli means it's over imo.

but it's certainly not going to be less than 10-12. It would depend how bad the record was at that point

Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.

In comment 11824923 WeatherMan said:

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Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.

no.

Continues.

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Time to face the new reality. Plus, after what Nassib did against the Jets 17th stringers, it's pretty clear where our our QB talent lies.

In comment 11824923 WeatherMan said:

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Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.

I'm not worried about him either. There's nothing wrong w him that a decent OL wouldn't help. Considering we have no idea that it may better or God forbid worse than last year that's what I'm most concerned about.

do you give an ineffective poster?

These threads have to be jokes right? Lets forget about a newly rebuilt OL, a brand new offense, and new WR's, and his 2 SB's and 2 MVPs, its all Eli's fault.

That "pay to start threads" idea is sounding good.

Then you should also say farewell to pretty much everyone. Why does our front office get a reprieve if our struggles continue? It's mystifying to me when people so badly desire change starting with our most valuable players and coaches. If your car get a flat tire, do you replace the engine and brakes?

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him after the first "aw shucks" because he obviously lacks the leadership that fiery, young QB needs. And if that takes too long, just bench him after his first INT.

What the hell has "Eli Manning" proven in his career anyway???

You want to cut the cord on a 2 time Super Bowl MVP because he was ineffective last year because his OL was the worst in football and his WR ran the wrong routes half the time and because of the little we saw him in the preseason. And you want to start Nassib who was awful and about to get cut 2 weeks ago but saved his job against 4th stringers... Brilliant just brilliant.

And I'm over here kind of glad it looks like Nassib is going to make the team and not be another wasted draft pick. Now you want him to start over Eli. Lol wow

In comment 11824947 dep026 said:

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him after the first "aw shucks" because he obviously lacks the leadership that fiery, young QB needs. And if that takes too long, just bench him after his first INT.

Hi Tiki. Lol

BBI in August! Not safe for anyone who thinks rationally!

The only way Eli gets "benched" is if he is hurt OR he clearly has the "deer in headlights" look out there. Troy Aikman and Neil Lomax developed the deer in headlights look at the end of their career. It happens. However, I don't believe that is the case with Eli yet.

Look for Eli to have a solid season with a lot less turnovers.

and these decisions aren't made on BBI

this year, complete start to finish. We will then know what to do about his contract. Meanwhile. Nassib can ride the pine and keep learning.

that he'll be replaced during the year if he's healthy. It's a big organizational change, and I don't think that gets done during the season.

I do think there's a pretty good chance that he gets replaced in the offseason. I don't think there will be much of an appetite to pay huge money to an aging player in exchange for sub-par performance. My guess is that this year looks more like 2012, where it's below average/Carson Palmer level performance rather than last year's bottom-5 level. But you still don't pay that kind of money for Carson Palmer level QBing.

Of course it's Eli, so you really never know. There's still a chance that he'll come out and play like a good QB this year. Nothing would really shock you with Eli Manning.

In comment 11824948 Dave in PA said:

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What the hell has "Eli Manning" proven in his career anyway???

Eli's career doesn't mean dick going forward. If Eli and the Giants suck this year, the FO needs to make a decision about whether or not they have to draft a QB Rd. 1 after the season. And they can't make an intelligent decision about that without giving Nassib at least several games to show what he's got. They may have already determined he's not the guy, but they have no basis yet to say he is the guy without playing him in real games.

him that salary he will be suiting up and starting every game. Coughlin will be fired before Manning is as Manning is his boss in terms of the franchise.

but I remember the 90's era and I really don't want to go back to the dark days after Simms and before Eli.. Collins was serviceable and he had something left to offer but it was time to move on. We are far from that stage with Eli.

and a trip back to a decade like the 70's and 90's.

he's our QB for the season no matter what. That said, I do have concerns about a fairly immobile pocket passer trying to run a WC O.

Tc...untherwise unless eli gets injured. ..he starts.

But I think if you protect him, he'll be more than adequate.

I was actually a little encouraged by the last game. It made me feel like the line was still an issue but that Eli may be less of one than I had thought. Or at least I hope. We'll see.

troll?

Is that he seems to have lost some arm strength. This is going back to last year when he couldn't reach the end zone on Hail Marys at the end of some halves/games and I've seen it again some of this preseason. I hope it's an aberration because I am a huge Eli fan. I really hope he has at least a decent season because he won't deserve the angst that's going to be thrown his way if he doesn't.

without any doubts.

In comment 11825005 Peter in Atlanta said:

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troll?

Good point.

because some of these football threads get more stupid every day.

It's a legitimate question that needs to be considered by the team next year

ELi IS ON A SHORT LEASH
TIME TO LET NASSIF DO HIS THING

even address the most important issue, the OL. Do you want a qb to be effective? You better protect him.

Them?

and, I loved the '1'.

Eli's team.....

I hope he learned from last year, that he can't do it all, and that he can't force the issue....

is not going anywhere

It's not reg season and he won't get his feelings hurt. Let Nassib play the 1st 3qtrs with a full qtr and a half with the starting unit.

As for Manning and the reg season, if he's making bad mistakes out there you have to bench him just like you would any other player. Let him get his head and get back in the game unless Nassib is in control.

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Bill in UT : 8:31 pm : link : reply
It's a legitimate question that needs to be considered by the team next year[/quote]

If that passes as a legitimate question, not many illegitimate ones can be written.

Even in your defense, you talk about next year. By inference, the OP seems to be discussing this year.

Unless somebody can separate Eli's possible woes from the possible woes of the OL, it is not a very smart discussion at all.

In comment 11825097 #10* said:

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It's not reg season and he won't get his feelings hurt. Let Nassib play the 1st 3qtrs with a full qtr and a half with the starting unit. As for Manning and the reg season, if he's making bad mistakes out there you have to bench him just like you would any other player. Let him get his head and get back in the game unless Nassib is in control.

Manning needs to play at least two series this week with the first team. Nassib should take over a series with the first team OL at least in place before the reserves come in. Your starter is Eli and he needs work in this new offense.

he really craps the bed, he's our guy and will be all season. like it or not, coughlin values seniority and loyalty highly and eli is both senior and loyal.

In comment 11824920 SethFromAstoria said:

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playoffs.

I tip my cap to you, sir!

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If the first four games of the year look like 2013, I'd yank him and give the kid a shot in Week 5 at home against Atlanta.

Better known as the Jameis Winston plan.

I thought it was a legit question. I understand that no QB could succeed behind last year's line, but Eli made a lot of unforced errors, too. Like someone said, if Eli really does stink again, you need to find out about Nassib before the draft. And speaking for myself, I don't want to watch another 27 INT performance if it can be avoided.

The people who called me a troll (whatever that is) need to be a little more tolerant of other opinions. After all, if we can't express our opinions, what's the point of having a discussion board? I hope Eli's status as the starter isn't an issue for this year, but if he bombs again, this may be the first of many such threads.

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am I the only one not worried about Eli? WeatherMan : 6:12 pm : link : reply Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.

that people could claim to be huge Giants and football fans, watch a ton of football, and still not understand what they are seeing. And this goes for reporters as well. It starts with the offensive line. Can't protect the QB or give him any help the QB can't perform. We just watched arguably the greatest ever QB, coming off the most productive QB season in history look completely lost in the Super Bowl because his O-line couldn't give him any time to throw and the running game an receivers couldn't get anything going either.

Eli is not the problem. It's the brand new offensive line coming off years of embarrassing production learning to play a new scheme.

played on teams with worse OL's and teams who didn't even come close to winning records, yet he was never in danger of being replaced.

We've seen what eli does with even a decent line. We never even got to see that with archie.

It won't be because of the team record. It won't be whether the offense is ineffective.

Eli's downfall (and the team's) may be if he averages more than 1 interception per game, 16 for the season. It was all the interceptions in the first 6 games last year that killed the season.

If it's not going well they can simplify the offense and go with some wildcat packages for Williams with Nassib coming in to change the pace a bit. Move Pugh to LT, kick Beatty to G, and hope Cleveland releases Mack mid season. If only the Giants would have taken Zach Martin and Aaron Donald in the first round. Instead they're stuck with Beckham who could be released and not even make the 46 who dress every week. I'd kick the tires on Incognito to shore up the offensive line and maybe see if Terrell Thomas has any has left in the tank. Speaking of simplifying - i think Fewell should only be given a couple weeks. He either simplifies or he's gone. Problems pretty much solved.

and Eli has twice as many picks as TD's I think we see Nassib. Do I think that will happen? Hell no...

In comment 11824919 awm34 said:

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absolutely nuts.

And embarrassing

In comment 11825170 phil fromphilly said:

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and Eli has twice as many picks as TD's I think we see Nassib. Do I think that will happen? Hell no...

I agree but can't imagine it goes that route.

Sorry but Eli has earned his right to play out his contract and that's that. He's also earned the right to have a full season to get this new offense clicking

Eli isn't injured, he isn't dumber, and he isn't old for prime QB play.

If the Giants are 0-5 and Eli has twice as many picks as TDs, the problem won't be with Eli. The picks and record will be a symptom of something else.

Besides its a fairly entertaining reading the threads that dissect whether it was Eli or (fill in the blank receiver here) at fault on every single interception.

Can't miss that...

next preseason game.

next preseason game

before they go to Seattle.

The Broncos can win that game with Osweiler.

until the bye

In comment 11824951 DeVito 32 said:

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You want to cut the cord on a 2 time Super Bowl MVP because he was ineffective last year because his OL was the worst in football and his WR ran the wrong routes half the time and because of the little we saw him in the preseason. And you want to start Nassib who was awful and about to get cut 2 weeks ago but saved his job against 4th stringers... Brilliant just brilliant. And I'm over here kind of glad it looks like Nassib is going to make the team and not be another wasted draft pick. Now you want him to start over Eli. Lol wow

it's never eli's fault right?

In comment 11825291 Bill in UT said:

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next preseason game

Eli showed a bit last game. And the line still sucked balls. Eli shouldn't get a pass for stupid INTs and bad play but when you have a bottom 5 OL(for now) feels is a bit myopic doesn't it?

The reality is the Giant's OL even gelling and becoming proficient might never be much better than middle of the road.

if he falters, I am sure Nassib and possibly another vet will be brought in to compete for the starting job.

him not making through the season with this OL.

this isn't a question, unless he's injured Eli plays 16 games.

but I don't understand why it is blasphemy to discuss it. The 2 time MVP thing is getting old. The "he could succeed if he only had a OL that can give him a pocket, a RB who could run the ball, an outside receiver, and a TE who can block and catch" -- which is an argument I've heard -- is ridiculous.. any QB could succeed if they only had that.

Joe Montana was traded at age 34, Steve Young retired at 38, but really didn't play much at all until he was 30.
Peyton Manning was released by Indy at 35 and Indy went with Luck. Aikman (I know it was injury) retired at 34. Donnovan McNabb left Philly at 33 and retired at 35.

So some QB's just lose it, and some organizations are just willing to move on.

In the case of SF, They decided the long time journyman, turned into great QB was ready to take over.
In the case of P Manning, Indy decided it was time.
In the case of McNabb, Philly decided to move on. NE moved on from Bledsoe when he was about 30, and put in a 6th round Tom Brady (the 4th string QB his rookie year)

So that Nassib might blossom in his 2nd year and be ready to go this year or next is not unheard of. The Giants might decide that it is time to get ready for the next chapter

In comment 11825422 cjd2404 said:

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but I don't understand why it is blasphemy to discuss it.

Its not or at least shouldn't be.

We just have too many on BBI that would rather criticize versus debate. Above is just a sample...

in August that you'd give Eli 16 games. If the Giants and Eli, in particular, are playing like crap through 8 weeks and we're something like 2-6, I'd bet most would start calling for Nassib to get a look.

There's no set number in my mind, but if he performs at a way below sub standard level, without showing improvement, you bench him. His stats can't be hidden. They will give him every opportunity to succeed, but after last year, he doesn't just get 16 games.

if TC has anything to say about it....

The sky would have to fall before Eli is replaced....

It's been a while since I've been on BBI. I had no idea this is where people stood regarding Manning. The guy is 33 with no major injuries, he's given us 2 super bowl victories. I can't believe there's this talk of ever benching the guy. I know the concerns, but still, when Eli is gone we will have regretted every second we didn't appreciate him while he was here.

Preseason means absolutely nothing. Both teams are trying things they wouldn't necessarily try in an actual game. It's all practice. Eli does not need to prove shit in the preseason, he's proven himself already in the last 10 years he's been here.

In comment 11825027 djl8699 said:

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Is that he seems to have lost some arm strength. This is going back to last year when he couldn't reach the end zone on Hail Marys at the end of some halves/games and I've seen it again some of this preseason. I hope it's an aberration because I am a huge Eli fan. I really hope he has at least a decent season because he won't deserve the angst that's going to be thrown his way if he doesn't.

He has never had great arm strength.

The only remotely possible benching would be after we're mathematically eliminated.

OP....what a dope

In comment 11824923 WeatherMan said:

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Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.

No. Not at all.

Re-sign him again in 2016 and keep on playing him.


We will miss Eli when he is gone.

Right now Eli doesn't look particularly good, was awful last year and the end of 2012 he and his team was totaled in those important games.Because he won two SB's seems to mean he must play into perpetuity. During the super bowl seasons the team was just average. Whatever, hope Eli gets going but he looks awkward in the new system. He's a pocket passer who isn't too mobile in avoiding the rush who can drill those downfield balls when they count. Throwing on the run, doing short stuff, screens fades slants pitchouts etc not so much.

this thread but then realized it would be more accurate to wow the entire site.

complete passes with an average O-line because there will be pressure and that's what we have. I don't care what the name is on the back of the jersey.

to look far to see other QB's who put up poor numbers with terrible OL's but are considered good QB's. I already mentioned Archie Manning earlier, but bad OL's have made many good QB's look horrific at times. For all the shit we like romo to get, a lot of it is due to his OL. Look at Matt ryan last year. Look at Flacco.

Archie Manning went several years with mediocre stats as he ran for his life, but then again, that was before the time of a lot of internet morons not understanding the game trying to play armchair GM.

In comment 11826411 #10* said:

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complete passes with an average O-line because there will be pressure and that's what we have. I don't care what the name is on the back of the jersey.

You say this like Mara/Reese should just take out an ad in the NY Times classified section...

In comment 11824924 G2 said:
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Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.



Let's assume that Manning will have "a functioning OL" this season. He would still have to complete the majority of his passes, to be considered competent and keep his job. If the Giants have no passing game with "a functioning OL", then it will effect the running game, and eventually the entire offense, OL included.

Also, if Manning continues to throw interception, while having "a functioning OL," then it's time to consider other options.

You wrote: "Eli is not the problem. It's the brand new offensive line coming off years of embarrassing production learning to play a new scheme." How does a "brand new offensive line" have a history of "years of embarrassing production?"

Something that is brand new, does not have a past record.

It is a legitimate question, and one that should motivate a good discussion.

Ignore the puerile, personal attacks, and keep asking the questions that need to be asked.