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How many games do you give an ineffective Manning?

bigblueheadache : 8/25/2014 6:05 pm
I understand the season hasn't even started and he could be terrific in the new system. I hope he is. But he hasn't played like a top QB for a couple of years, and he may not be the same QB we remember. If he struggles and it doesn't appear that it's everyone else's fault, how many games do you wait until you give Nassib a chance? Personally, I would give Manning four games to turn it around. If the first four games of the year look like 2013, I'd yank him and give the kid a shot in Week 5 at home against Atlanta. I just don't want to watch Eli fumbling his way to another losing year. Cut the cord and try something else. With just four games played, we could still turn it around. And it's not like Eli hasn't had his chances.
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Nick in LA : 8/25/2014 6:07 pm : link
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Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/25/2014 6:10 pm : link
If Eli sucks again, you boot this year and don't risk getting Nassib hurt behind our weak OL. You say "thanks for everything but it's time to move on" to Eli after this season and then you improve the OL so Nassib has a better chance to succeed next year.

I ride and die with Eli this year.
These threads are nuts  
awm34 : 8/25/2014 6:10 pm : link
absolutely nuts.
16 +  
SethFromAstoria : 8/25/2014 6:10 pm : link
playoffs.
fwiw  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/25/2014 6:12 pm : link
I fully expect Eli to be better than last year and hope we never see Nassib start a game for us. Just playing along with the hypothetical in my previous post.

One more 2013-esque season from Eli means it's over imo.
I don't know about 16  
Bill in UT : 8/25/2014 6:12 pm : link
but it's certainly not going to be less than 10-12. It would depend how bad the record was at that point
am I the only one not worried about Eli?  
WeatherMan : 8/25/2014 6:12 pm : link
Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.
RE: am I the only one not worried about Eli?  
G2 : 8/25/2014 6:15 pm : link
In comment 11824923 WeatherMan said:
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Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.


no.
And the stupid  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/25/2014 6:17 pm : link
Continues.
16+16  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 8/25/2014 6:18 pm : link
...
Probably just a few quarters.  
Mad Mike : 8/25/2014 6:19 pm : link
Time to face the new reality. Plus, after what Nassib did against the Jets 17th stringers, it's pretty clear where our our QB talent lies.
RE: am I the only one not worried about Eli?  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/25/2014 6:19 pm : link
In comment 11824923 WeatherMan said:
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Give the man a functioning OL and everything will get better from there.


I'm not worried about him either. There's nothing wrong w him that a decent OL wouldn't help. Considering we have no idea that it may better or God forbid worse than last year that's what I'm most concerned about.

how many reads  
bc4life : 8/25/2014 6:20 pm : link
do you give an ineffective poster?
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PatersonPlank : 8/25/2014 6:20 pm : link
These threads have to be jokes right? Lets forget about a newly rebuilt OL, a brand new offense, and new WR's, and his 2 SB's and 2 MVPs, its all Eli's fault.
Jesus.  
That Said : 8/25/2014 6:24 pm : link
That "pay to start threads" idea is sounding good.
If you're willing to say farewell to Eli after 16 games  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 8/25/2014 6:26 pm : link
Then you should also say farewell to pretty much everyone. Why does our front office get a reprieve if our struggles continue? It's mystifying to me when people so badly desire change starting with our most valuable players and coaches. If your car get a flat tire, do you replace the engine and brakes?
the season  
chris r : 8/25/2014 6:27 pm : link
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Bench  
dep026 : 8/25/2014 6:30 pm : link
him after the first "aw shucks" because he obviously lacks the leadership that fiery, young QB needs. And if that takes too long, just bench him after his first INT.
Maybe 2 or 3  
Dave in PA : 8/25/2014 6:30 pm : link
What the hell has "Eli Manning" proven in his career anyway???
Holy fuck! Some people are freaking unbelievable...  
DeVito 32 : 8/25/2014 6:31 pm : link
You want to cut the cord on a 2 time Super Bowl MVP because he was ineffective last year because his OL was the worst in football and his WR ran the wrong routes half the time and because of the little we saw him in the preseason. And you want to start Nassib who was awful and about to get cut 2 weeks ago but saved his job against 4th stringers... Brilliant just brilliant.

And I'm over here kind of glad it looks like Nassib is going to make the team and not be another wasted draft pick. Now you want him to start over Eli. Lol wow
RE: Bench  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/25/2014 6:32 pm : link
In comment 11824947 dep026 said:
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him after the first "aw shucks" because he obviously lacks the leadership that fiery, young QB needs. And if that takes too long, just bench him after his first INT.


Hi Tiki. Lol
SMH  
TheMick7 : 8/25/2014 6:32 pm : link
BBI in August! Not safe for anyone who thinks rationally!
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SGMen : 8/25/2014 6:33 pm : link
The only way Eli gets "benched" is if he is hurt OR he clearly has the "deer in headlights" look out there. Troy Aikman and Neil Lomax developed the deer in headlights look at the end of their career. It happens. However, I don't believe that is the case with Eli yet.

Look for Eli to have a solid season with a lot less turnovers.
thank god we have a coach  
Peter from CT : 8/25/2014 6:35 pm : link
and these decisions aren't made on BBI
I'd give Eli  
mrvax : 8/25/2014 6:37 pm : link
this year, complete start to finish. We will then know what to do about his contract. Meanwhile. Nassib can ride the pine and keep learning.
I really doubt  
Jerry in DC : 8/25/2014 6:38 pm : link
that he'll be replaced during the year if he's healthy. It's a big organizational change, and I don't think that gets done during the season.

I do think there's a pretty good chance that he gets replaced in the offseason. I don't think there will be much of an appetite to pay huge money to an aging player in exchange for sub-par performance. My guess is that this year looks more like 2012, where it's below average/Carson Palmer level performance rather than last year's bottom-5 level. But you still don't pay that kind of money for Carson Palmer level QBing.

Of course it's Eli, so you really never know. There's still a chance that he'll come out and play like a good QB this year. Nothing would really shock you with Eli Manning.
RE: Maybe 2 or 3  
Bill in UT : 8/25/2014 6:44 pm : link
In comment 11824948 Dave in PA said:
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What the hell has "Eli Manning" proven in his career anyway???


Eli's career doesn't mean dick going forward. If Eli and the Giants suck this year, the FO needs to make a decision about whether or not they have to draft a QB Rd. 1 after the season. And they can't make an intelligent decision about that without giving Nassib at least several games to show what he's got. They may have already determined he's not the guy, but they have no basis yet to say he is the guy without playing him in real games.
as long as they keep paying  
mdc1 : 8/25/2014 6:48 pm : link
him that salary he will be suiting up and starting every game. Coughlin will be fired before Manning is as Manning is his boss in terms of the franchise.
I'm a little concerned too  
newmike2 : 8/25/2014 6:56 pm : link
but I remember the 90's era and I really don't want to go back to the dark days after Simms and before Eli.. Collins was serviceable and he had something left to offer but it was time to move on. We are far from that stage with Eli.
When we give up on Eli, we are moving into a major rebuild  
PatersonPlank : 8/25/2014 7:00 pm : link
and a trip back to a decade like the 70's and 90's.
this is silly  
natefit : 8/25/2014 7:12 pm : link
he's our QB for the season no matter what. That said, I do have concerns about a fairly immobile pocket passer trying to run a WC O.
when they fire  
SBlue46 : 8/25/2014 7:15 pm : link
Tc...untherwise unless eli gets injured. ..he starts.
I'm a little worried about Eli.  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2014 7:17 pm : link
But I think if you protect him, he'll be more than adequate.

I was actually a little encouraged by the last game. It made me feel like the line was still an issue but that Eli may be less of one than I had thought. Or at least I hope. We'll see.
Why feed the bigblueheadcase  
Peter in Atlanta : 8/25/2014 7:24 pm : link
troll?
The only thing that worries me with Eli  
djl8699 : 8/25/2014 7:49 pm : link
Is that he seems to have lost some arm strength. This is going back to last year when he couldn't reach the end zone on Hail Marys at the end of some halves/games and I've seen it again some of this preseason. I hope it's an aberration because I am a huge Eli fan. I really hope he has at least a decent season because he won't deserve the angst that's going to be thrown his way if he doesn't.
16  
Matt M. : 8/25/2014 7:50 pm : link
without any doubts.
RE: Why feed the bigblueheadcase  
TMS : 8/25/2014 7:58 pm : link
In comment 11825005 Peter in Atlanta said:
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troll?
Good point.
I think maybe I should just read the NFTs  
Gman11 : 8/25/2014 8:30 pm : link
because some of these football threads get more stupid every day.
Troll or not  
Bill in UT : 8/25/2014 8:31 pm : link
It's a legitimate question that needs to be considered by the team next year
1!!!!!!!  
Giantology : 8/25/2014 8:32 pm : link
ELi IS ON A SHORT LEASH
TIME TO LET NASSIF DO HIS THING
The OP's question doesn't  
crick78 : 8/25/2014 8:38 pm : link
even address the most important issue, the OL. Do you want a qb to be effective? You better protect him.
All of  
Rob in NYC : 8/25/2014 8:42 pm : link
Them?
See Seth' s answer  
old man : 8/25/2014 8:49 pm : link
and, I loved the '1'.
This is  
Doomster : 8/25/2014 8:49 pm : link
Eli's team.....

I hope he learned from last year, that he can't do it all, and that he can't force the issue....
For certian Nassib  
Chef : 8/25/2014 8:54 pm : link
is not going anywhere
The easy thing to do is sit Manning against NE  
#10* : 8/25/2014 9:00 pm : link
It's not reg season and he won't get his feelings hurt. Let Nassib play the 1st 3qtrs with a full qtr and a half with the starting unit.

As for Manning and the reg season, if he's making bad mistakes out there you have to bench him just like you would any other player. Let him get his head and get back in the game unless Nassib is in control.
What??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/25/2014 9:04 pm : link
{quote]Troll or not
Bill in UT : 8:31 pm : link : reply
It's a legitimate question that needs to be considered by the team next year[/quote]

If that passes as a legitimate question, not many illegitimate ones can be written.

Even in your defense, you talk about next year. By inference, the OP seems to be discussing this year.

Unless somebody can separate Eli's possible woes from the possible woes of the OL, it is not a very smart discussion at all.
RE: The easy thing to do is sit Manning against NE  
SGMen : 8/25/2014 9:13 pm : link
In comment 11825097 #10* said:
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It's not reg season and he won't get his feelings hurt. Let Nassib play the 1st 3qtrs with a full qtr and a half with the starting unit.

As for Manning and the reg season, if he's making bad mistakes out there you have to bench him just like you would any other player. Let him get his head and get back in the game unless Nassib is in control.
Manning needs to play at least two series this week with the first team. Nassib should take over a series with the first team OL at least in place before the reserves come in. Your starter is Eli and he needs work in this new offense.
unless  
Les in TO : 8/25/2014 9:23 pm : link
he really craps the bed, he's our guy and will be all season. like it or not, coughlin values seniority and loyalty highly and eli is both senior and loyal.
RE: 16 +  
PeterS : 8/25/2014 9:28 pm : link
In comment 11824920 SethFromAstoria said:
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playoffs.


I tip my cap to you, sir!
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