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Giants pick Josh Brown over Brandon McManus at kicker

Jon from PA : 8/26/2014 7:34 am
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The Giants have entrusted that duty, for now, to veteran Josh Brown. Per a league source, rookie Brandon McManus will be waived

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I was excited for him, i thought we found a real diamond  
Gordo : 8/26/2014 7:39 am : link
but i think TC plays it safe with kickers since the dodge fiasco... cant blame him.. kickers and punters can lose you games
With 10 PS spots,  
Andy in Halifax : 8/26/2014 7:40 am : link
I hope we stash McManus if he'll stay. Brown is only a year or two from being out of the league and is average anyway. McManus has potential imo.
That's  
Rflairr : 8/26/2014 7:46 am : link
Disappointing. You could have always picked Brown up during the season if McManus struggled.
Andy  
aquidneck : 8/26/2014 7:47 am : link
You don't keep kickers on the practice squad.

The practice squad is for guys that can practice. Guys that impersonate the opposing team. The scout team.

The practice squad is for linemen and backs.

It makes no sense to keep a kicker on the practice squad because you can't protect them there. Any team can pick them up at any time just like if they were free agents. Might as well just put them on the street and sign them later yourself if you have a need.

BTW - I think this is another sign that Giants are in win now mode. They kept the guy whose likely to better in the present than the guy with upside down the road.

Eagles, Broncos, (Susp), Dolphins  
Defenderdawg : 8/26/2014 7:48 am : link
All looking at kickers
Not surprising at all...  
rptl530 : 8/26/2014 7:49 am : link
especially when you consider that NYG is likely to being playing it close to the vest early on trying to win games on TOP, field position, defense and special teams.

Big kick with game on the line I'm sure TC would trust Brown over McManus every day.
What exactly is the point  
Antdog23 : 8/26/2014 7:50 am : link
of putting a kicker on the practice squad?
that's a shame  
Peter from CT : 8/26/2014 7:50 am : link
although predictable based on the punter fiasco of years past
After last season  
Headhunter : 8/26/2014 7:50 am : link
I never once thought the Giants needed a new kicker.
Sigh  
Giantology : 8/26/2014 7:52 am : link
McManus was going to be a weapon in the field position game (close to zero kickoff returns) and would give us a better shot at those 50+ yard field goals.

Brown isn't a bad kicker, he's just not a great one. And his ceiling is known. McManus has a cannon for a leg and a lot of room to grow.
RE: After last season  
Big Blue '56 : 8/26/2014 7:53 am : link
In comment 11825355 Headhunter said:
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I never once thought the Giants needed a new kicker.


I always prefer the veteran, especially in the sports capital of the World
Boooo  
Gross Blau Oberst : 8/26/2014 7:56 am : link
Do not like that decision if accurate. McManus is the better kicker. Hope he is not an Eagle in a few days.
awwww......  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/26/2014 7:57 am : link
new untested kickers are the best...

- Matt Dodge
and punters too  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/26/2014 7:57 am : link
doh!
The new guy  
Headhunter : 8/26/2014 7:58 am : link
is always loved until he shanks a gimme that costs you the game. I know Brown had some early season misses on very makeable FG's. He kicks deep into the end zone unlike sayLawrence Tynes. No problem going with the vet in a pressure spot
Veterans usually rule...not saying it's always bad  
Defenderdawg : 8/26/2014 8:02 am : link
But coaches won't take chances with the unproven if games, jobs are on the line;

Mike Lansford (Joe Danelo), Matt Stover ( Matt Bahr), Todd Peterson (David Treadwell), Orlindo Mare ( Brad Daluiso)
It comes down to trust  
Headhunter : 8/26/2014 8:05 am : link
over leg
Dawg,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/26/2014 8:10 am : link
you forgot Markham..:)
He was going to have to outkick Brown to have a shot  
Blue Blood : 8/26/2014 8:10 am : link
and he didnt do that...
To get to the practice squad he'd have to clear waivers  
njm : 8/26/2014 8:14 am : link
If he gets picked up the issue is moot. If he doesn't he's still available.
Yes  
Defenderdawg : 8/26/2014 8:14 am : link
And Bob Timberlake
RE: Yes  
Big Blue '56 : 8/26/2014 8:18 am : link
In comment 11825393 Defenderdawg said:
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And Bob Timberlake


Iirc, Timberlake went 1-15..Is my memory that bad? That just sticks in my head
I was hoping they'd hold onto McManus but this makes sense.  
eclipz928 : 8/26/2014 8:19 am : link
In today's NFL, with the shorter kickoffs, you don't really need a kicker with much power anymore. Josh Brown will reliably nail 45-yard and under kicks, and that's all you need. On average, a kicker will only attempt a 50-yard kick about 4 to 5 times in a season - just gotta hope that none of those 4 will be needed to win a game.
I believe Andy Stynchula (acquired with Dickie James in Huff trade)  
Big Blue '56 : 8/26/2014 8:20 am : link
kicked for us as well that year. Also rather dreadful
Also Jerry Hillebrand  
Defenderdawg : 8/26/2014 8:26 am : link
Had a foolish long FG attempt blocked and returned for a TD vs the Cowboys and Cornell Green that may have cost the Giants second place and a place in the runner up bowl in Miami in 1965...also gave Landry his first post season game (even if meaningless) in year five at Dallas
Link - ( New Window )
Big Blue  
Still a Sam Huff fan : 8/26/2014 8:28 am : link
Did you have to mention Little Dickie James and ruin my morning?
Not a surprise  
jeff57 : 8/26/2014 8:28 am : link
Look for the Eagles to try to pick him up.
RE: Big Blue  
Big Blue '56 : 8/26/2014 8:34 am : link
In comment 11825411 Still a Sam Huff fan said:
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Did you have to mention Little Dickie James and ruin my morning?


Misery loves company
Brown is a known quantity. McManus is not. If you have ever  
Marty in Albany : 8/26/2014 8:35 am : link
hired an employee, you know that you get a lot, that's A LOT, more than what you see at the interview. It could be good and it could be bad, but it is a risk.

McManus played well, but he was not clearly and substantially superior to Brown.

If only the Giants had this much talent to choose from at every position. Sigh!
Actually James was a very good all-around player  
Big Blue '56 : 8/26/2014 8:35 am : link
for years. Unfortunately, he was at the tail end of his career when he came to us..
RE: I was hoping they'd hold onto McManus but this makes sense.  
Jimmy Googs : 8/26/2014 8:36 am : link
In comment 11825400 eclipz928 said:
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In today's NFL, with the shorter kickoffs, you don't really need a kicker with much power anymore. Josh Brown will reliably nail 45-yard and under kicks, and that's all you need. On average, a kicker will only attempt a 50-yard kick about 4 to 5 times in a season - just gotta hope that none of those 4 will be needed to win a game.


For the kickers that can do it well, it is more like 6-7 times a season. And you have to figure a few of those are significant.

No crystal ball, but to the extent this season goes sideways, it may have been a good year to break in a new kicker like McManus who may develop into something valuable.
They are giving McManus a chance at another job.  
DavidinBMNY : 8/26/2014 8:36 am : link
He'll get picked up after waivers to at least compete for another gig.
RE: RE: Yes  
snumber6 : 8/26/2014 8:38 am : link
In comment 11825399 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11825393 Defenderdawg said:


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And Bob Timberlake



Iirc, Timberlake went 1-15..Is my memory that bad? That just sticks in my head


Bob Timberlake a triple threat QB from Michigan ... HE couldn't run, couldn't pass and couldn't kick though at the pro level ...
You remember right ... and if he were playing today ... there'd be no such thing as an automatic extra point ...
And in what I recall ... Andy Stynchula was actually better ...
In a way ... Timberlake was responsible for the merger - desperate for a kicker ... the Giants signed Gogalak in the off season ... and the merger became a necessity ...
RE: RE: I was hoping they'd hold onto McManus but this makes sense.  
AcidTest : 8/26/2014 8:41 am : link
In comment 11825426 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 11825400 eclipz928 said:


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In today's NFL, with the shorter kickoffs, you don't really need a kicker with much power anymore. Josh Brown will reliably nail 45-yard and under kicks, and that's all you need. On average, a kicker will only attempt a 50-yard kick about 4 to 5 times in a season - just gotta hope that none of those 4 will be needed to win a game.



For the kickers that can do it well, it is more like 6-7 times a season. And you have to figure a few of those are significant.

No crystal ball, but to the extent this season goes sideways, it may have been a good year to break in a new kicker like McManus who may develop into something valuable.


Agree with the power argument, but I'd still have gone with McManus. His stronger leg could come into play on some FGs. But as others have said, TC strongly favors veterans, and I'm sure remembers the Dodge fiasco. Have to hope he doesn't end up on the Eagles.
Off topic  
Defenderdawg : 8/26/2014 8:42 am : link
The Giants also gave up a good young OL George Seals in that trade who played many years for the Bears, played both OL and DL...

Speaking of young kickers with the draft pick the a Giants received in the Huff trade they selected Frank Lambert a punter who lost out to RB Ernie Koy...to Sherman versatility mattered at least until the Timberlake (a QB as well) disaster....then the Giants signed Gogolak.
Did anybody view  
cjd2404 : 8/26/2014 8:46 am : link
these 2 in practice (I admit I did not read too many of the camp reports). Just curious how a kicker can show he is substantially better in a game, unless the Giants were to bog down at the 50 and let McManus kick a 75 yarder in a game (as he apparently did in practice).

My guess this is purely a veteran over young player. I'd go with the you guy myself if he is that powerful and kicks out of the endzone, and is as accurate as Brown everywhere else.
Really, I don't want the Giants  
Enoch : 8/26/2014 8:50 am : link
attempting many 45+ yard FGs. They should be going for it on 4th down in most of those situation.

I'm fine with Brown. He's a reasonable veteran PK who should end up within a standard deviation of 85%, like just about all reasonable veteran PKs. It would've been nice to get McManus to do that for less money, but the Giants aren't exactly hurting for cap space this year, and it's not as if locking up a PK long-term is an especially significant asset for an NFL team.
McManus might be a better kicker now  
Essex : 8/26/2014 8:50 am : link
. . . TC always goes with veterans. Josh Brown was fine last year, but he missed crucial kicks in the Carolina game and KC game when we desperately needed points. Although I think he only missed one other FG all year, I just don't have confidence in him. Anyway, as repeatedly mentioned, Coughlin is not only loyal to a fault, he has a strong preference for veterans. Sometimes it is the right move, sometimes it is not--in this case, I am afraid it is not. We will see.
Brown is fine  
ZogZerg : 8/26/2014 8:58 am : link
I don't think it's a big deal either way.
disappointed  
GiantNatty : 8/26/2014 9:01 am : link
would rather go young and hungry this year.
I was rooting for McManus but you can't complain about Brown  
BillT : 8/26/2014 9:03 am : link
He's got a strong leg and is very consistent .

I think McManus is a PS candidate. With 10 spots they have room.
Anyone who has ever coached  
JoefromPa : 8/26/2014 9:18 am : link
at the high school level or higher understands that for coaches the most important game is the next one.

If it is determined that Josh Brown gives the Giants the best chance to win, which it seems was the case during this preseason, age would not be a factor in determining whom to keep.
.  
Vin R : 8/26/2014 9:22 am : link
telling me that going with a vet is good  
GiantNatty : 8/26/2014 9:27 am : link
because he is a known commodity is the same as telling me we have no vision.
really disappointed by this move and what it says about moving forward.
McManus had to actually stand out to unseat brown  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/26/2014 9:29 am : link
He didn't exactly win the job outright. Not sure why there's any handwringing about this. Youth does not always equal better.
RE: Sigh  
Mike in NY : 8/26/2014 9:35 am : link
In comment 11825359 Giantology said:
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McManus was going to be a weapon in the field position game (close to zero kickoff returns) and would give us a better shot at those 50+ yard field goals.

Brown isn't a bad kicker, he's just not a great one. And his ceiling is known. McManus has a cannon for a leg and a lot of room to grow.


McManus could also be the next Matt Dodge
Mark my words  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/26/2014 9:36 am : link
this is going to come back to haunt us.
RE: telling me that going with a vet is good  
BeerFridge : 8/26/2014 9:38 am : link
In comment 11825532 GiantNatty said:
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because he is a known commodity is the same as telling me we have no vision.
really disappointed by this move and what it says about moving forward.


HAHAHAHA. Wow.
McManus  
yankeeslover : 8/26/2014 9:45 am : link
is almost a lock to sign with Philly... we will regret this decision
If McManus goes to the Eagles  
St. Jimmy : 8/26/2014 10:04 am : link
and does well, it will annoy us for a long time.
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