The practice squad is for guys that can practice. Guys that impersonate the opposing team. The scout team.
The practice squad is for linemen and backs.
It makes no sense to keep a kicker on the practice squad because you can't protect them there. Any team can pick them up at any time just like if they were free agents. Might as well just put them on the street and sign them later yourself if you have a need.
BTW - I think this is another sign that Giants are in win now mode. They kept the guy whose likely to better in the present than the guy with upside down the road.
especially when you consider that NYG is likely to being playing it close to the vest early on trying to win games on TOP, field position, defense and special teams.
Big kick with game on the line I'm sure TC would trust Brown over McManus every day.
McManus was going to be a weapon in the field position game (close to zero kickoff returns) and would give us a better shot at those 50+ yard field goals.
Brown isn't a bad kicker, he's just not a great one. And his ceiling is known. McManus has a cannon for a leg and a lot of room to grow.
is always loved until he shanks a gimme that costs you the game. I know Brown had some early season misses on very makeable FG's. He kicks deep into the end zone unlike sayLawrence Tynes. No problem going with the vet in a pressure spot
Veterans usually rule...not saying it's always bad
In today's NFL, with the shorter kickoffs, you don't really need a kicker with much power anymore. Josh Brown will reliably nail 45-yard and under kicks, and that's all you need. On average, a kicker will only attempt a 50-yard kick about 4 to 5 times in a season - just gotta hope that none of those 4 will be needed to win a game.
I believe Andy Stynchula (acquired with Dickie James in Huff trade)
Had a foolish long FG attempt blocked and returned for a TD vs the Cowboys and Cornell Green that may have cost the Giants second place and a place in the runner up bowl in Miami in 1965...also gave Landry his first post season game (even if meaningless) in year five at Dallas Link - ( New Window )
hired an employee, you know that you get a lot, that's A LOT, more than what you see at the interview. It could be good and it could be bad, but it is a risk.
McManus played well, but he was not clearly and substantially superior to Brown.
If only the Giants had this much talent to choose from at every position. Sigh!
In today's NFL, with the shorter kickoffs, you don't really need a kicker with much power anymore. Josh Brown will reliably nail 45-yard and under kicks, and that's all you need. On average, a kicker will only attempt a 50-yard kick about 4 to 5 times in a season - just gotta hope that none of those 4 will be needed to win a game.
For the kickers that can do it well, it is more like 6-7 times a season. And you have to figure a few of those are significant.
No crystal ball, but to the extent this season goes sideways, it may have been a good year to break in a new kicker like McManus who may develop into something valuable.
Iirc, Timberlake went 1-15..Is my memory that bad? That just sticks in my head
Bob Timberlake a triple threat QB from Michigan ... HE couldn't run, couldn't pass and couldn't kick though at the pro level ...
You remember right ... and if he were playing today ... there'd be no such thing as an automatic extra point ...
And in what I recall ... Andy Stynchula was actually better ...
In a way ... Timberlake was responsible for the merger - desperate for a kicker ... the Giants signed Gogalak in the off season ... and the merger became a necessity ...
RE: RE: I was hoping they'd hold onto McManus but this makes sense.
In today's NFL, with the shorter kickoffs, you don't really need a kicker with much power anymore. Josh Brown will reliably nail 45-yard and under kicks, and that's all you need. On average, a kicker will only attempt a 50-yard kick about 4 to 5 times in a season - just gotta hope that none of those 4 will be needed to win a game.
For the kickers that can do it well, it is more like 6-7 times a season. And you have to figure a few of those are significant.
No crystal ball, but to the extent this season goes sideways, it may have been a good year to break in a new kicker like McManus who may develop into something valuable.
Agree with the power argument, but I'd still have gone with McManus. His stronger leg could come into play on some FGs. But as others have said, TC strongly favors veterans, and I'm sure remembers the Dodge fiasco. Have to hope he doesn't end up on the Eagles.
The Giants also gave up a good young OL George Seals in that trade who played many years for the Bears, played both OL and DL...
Speaking of young kickers with the draft pick the a Giants received in the Huff trade they selected Frank Lambert a punter who lost out to RB Ernie Koy...to Sherman versatility mattered at least until the Timberlake (a QB as well) disaster....then the Giants signed Gogolak.
these 2 in practice (I admit I did not read too many of the camp reports). Just curious how a kicker can show he is substantially better in a game, unless the Giants were to bog down at the 50 and let McManus kick a 75 yarder in a game (as he apparently did in practice).
My guess this is purely a veteran over young player. I'd go with the you guy myself if he is that powerful and kicks out of the endzone, and is as accurate as Brown everywhere else.
attempting many 45+ yard FGs. They should be going for it on 4th down in most of those situation.
I'm fine with Brown. He's a reasonable veteran PK who should end up within a standard deviation of 85%, like just about all reasonable veteran PKs. It would've been nice to get McManus to do that for less money, but the Giants aren't exactly hurting for cap space this year, and it's not as if locking up a PK long-term is an especially significant asset for an NFL team.
. . . TC always goes with veterans. Josh Brown was fine last year, but he missed crucial kicks in the Carolina game and KC game when we desperately needed points. Although I think he only missed one other FG all year, I just don't have confidence in him. Anyway, as repeatedly mentioned, Coughlin is not only loyal to a fault, he has a strong preference for veterans. Sometimes it is the right move, sometimes it is not--in this case, I am afraid it is not. We will see.
at the high school level or higher understands that for coaches the most important game is the next one.
If it is determined that Josh Brown gives the Giants the best chance to win, which it seems was the case during this preseason, age would not be a factor in determining whom to keep.
McManus was going to be a weapon in the field position game (close to zero kickoff returns) and would give us a better shot at those 50+ yard field goals.
Brown isn't a bad kicker, he's just not a great one. And his ceiling is known. McManus has a cannon for a leg and a lot of room to grow.
The practice squad is for guys that can practice. Guys that impersonate the opposing team. The scout team.
The practice squad is for linemen and backs.
It makes no sense to keep a kicker on the practice squad because you can't protect them there. Any team can pick them up at any time just like if they were free agents. Might as well just put them on the street and sign them later yourself if you have a need.
BTW - I think this is another sign that Giants are in win now mode. They kept the guy whose likely to better in the present than the guy with upside down the road.
Big kick with game on the line I'm sure TC would trust Brown over McManus every day.
Brown isn't a bad kicker, he's just not a great one. And his ceiling is known. McManus has a cannon for a leg and a lot of room to grow.
I always prefer the veteran, especially in the sports capital of the World
- Matt Dodge
Mike Lansford (Joe Danelo), Matt Stover ( Matt Bahr), Todd Peterson (David Treadwell), Orlindo Mare ( Brad Daluiso)
Iirc, Timberlake went 1-15..Is my memory that bad? That just sticks in my head
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Misery loves company
McManus played well, but he was not clearly and substantially superior to Brown.
If only the Giants had this much talent to choose from at every position. Sigh!
For the kickers that can do it well, it is more like 6-7 times a season. And you have to figure a few of those are significant.
No crystal ball, but to the extent this season goes sideways, it may have been a good year to break in a new kicker like McManus who may develop into something valuable.
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And Bob Timberlake
Iirc, Timberlake went 1-15..Is my memory that bad? That just sticks in my head
Bob Timberlake a triple threat QB from Michigan ... HE couldn't run, couldn't pass and couldn't kick though at the pro level ...
You remember right ... and if he were playing today ... there'd be no such thing as an automatic extra point ...
And in what I recall ... Andy Stynchula was actually better ...
In a way ... Timberlake was responsible for the merger - desperate for a kicker ... the Giants signed Gogalak in the off season ... and the merger became a necessity ...
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In today's NFL, with the shorter kickoffs, you don't really need a kicker with much power anymore. Josh Brown will reliably nail 45-yard and under kicks, and that's all you need. On average, a kicker will only attempt a 50-yard kick about 4 to 5 times in a season - just gotta hope that none of those 4 will be needed to win a game.
For the kickers that can do it well, it is more like 6-7 times a season. And you have to figure a few of those are significant.
No crystal ball, but to the extent this season goes sideways, it may have been a good year to break in a new kicker like McManus who may develop into something valuable.
Agree with the power argument, but I'd still have gone with McManus. His stronger leg could come into play on some FGs. But as others have said, TC strongly favors veterans, and I'm sure remembers the Dodge fiasco. Have to hope he doesn't end up on the Eagles.
Speaking of young kickers with the draft pick the a Giants received in the Huff trade they selected Frank Lambert a punter who lost out to RB Ernie Koy...to Sherman versatility mattered at least until the Timberlake (a QB as well) disaster....then the Giants signed Gogolak.
My guess this is purely a veteran over young player. I'd go with the you guy myself if he is that powerful and kicks out of the endzone, and is as accurate as Brown everywhere else.
I'm fine with Brown. He's a reasonable veteran PK who should end up within a standard deviation of 85%, like just about all reasonable veteran PKs. It would've been nice to get McManus to do that for less money, but the Giants aren't exactly hurting for cap space this year, and it's not as if locking up a PK long-term is an especially significant asset for an NFL team.
I think McManus is a PS candidate. With 10 spots they have room.
If it is determined that Josh Brown gives the Giants the best chance to win, which it seems was the case during this preseason, age would not be a factor in determining whom to keep.
really disappointed by this move and what it says about moving forward.
Brown isn't a bad kicker, he's just not a great one. And his ceiling is known. McManus has a cannon for a leg and a lot of room to grow.
McManus could also be the next Matt Dodge
really disappointed by this move and what it says about moving forward.
HAHAHAHA. Wow.