Giants pick Josh Brown over Brandon McManus at kicker

In comment 11825355 Headhunter said:

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I never once thought the Giants needed a new kicker.

Not even after the Chiefs game? I know that game wound up a blowout but that miss really took the momentum away from the team and they were playing about as good as they had all season at that point. It was an enormous miss.

He also missed a kick early in the Carolina game that took away any fight the team had in them before they were blown out.

but knew there was no way in hell TC would.

And he very well and up a solid NFL kicker, but the last thing this Giant team needs is to be not making needed points by having kicking problems.

Rookie kickers always present more downside than upside. Let them figure it out somewhere else and not fuck up my team's games.

we had a kicker that lined up from 40 yards or more and we didnt bite our fingers? I would never knock Tynes because of the two championship games, but even with him, it was always a nail biter from 40 yards out or more...

just said Thank You.

In comment 11825660 old man said:

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just said Thank You.

They're second-to-last in the waiver order, so if any other teams are interested, they won't get the chance.

What the hell are you talking about?

Giants need a guy who's dependable from under 50, Brown mostly proved that he was last year and has shown more of the same this preseason

McManus could have been our kicker for years to come and he would have counted less against the cap for years to come as well.

Probably will come back to this next year when Brown retires and we end up with some Matt Bryant-type replacement losing games for us, and hate this move.

Not surprised.

'cause we're not going to see a lot of touchbacks.

In comment 11825805 T in NJ said:

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'cause we're not going to see a lot of touchbacks.

Brown was middle-of-the-pack in touchback% last year, which isn't bad for a guy with outdoor home games in the Northeast.

He'll be fine.

8 times this preseason. 6 Touchbacks and 2 fielded and brought out from deep in the endzone.

FWIW.

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This was not a surprise, despite the rending of panties.

I really, really don't like Brown, but...

1. McManus had problems with his technique; he's not consistent yet. He needs another year of working on said technique to be a consistent NFL kicker.

2. Kickers are valuable from 45 and in; Brown does this much better than McManus. A big leg is a shiny new toy, but it's becoming more of a norm for kickers nowadays. To think we can't find another big leg next year is a bit foolhardy.

3. Actual game experience matters. We know what Brown will do under pressure situations. McManus is an unknown. For McManus to have won, he needed to be about as equal in FG% as Brown was, from 45 and in. He wasn't.

4. McManus, with another year of practice, can be quite good. PS would be a fun little possibility.

5. The weapon is not Touchbacks. The weapon is mortar kicks, squib kicks, and deep kicks to keep the returner off the toes, but induce him to take it out and beat having the ball placed on the 20 OR get a turnover.

Would it surprise you to find out Tynes was a top 10 kicker, in the NFL, in opponent starting field position (when people were bemoaning just how shitty our coverage teams were)? Tynes was a master at mortar kicks. Brown is not very good at them, but McManus is simply awful.

That's due to his lack of consistency.

Touchbacks are nice, but the new breed of kickers are going to be able to do more than that. The only thing that's shortsighted is the thought that this is THE desirable feature of a kicker...

has been pretty consistent about this and nailed it.

A team's need for a 50 - 55 yd Field goal kicker is also dependent on the overall offense. When the Giants have, lets say 4th down on the 35 it always has made more sense to either punt or give the ball to Eli depending on the situation. Keeping Josh Brown was the right move IMHO. If he retires in two years, worry about it then.

In comment 11825917 Randy in CT said:

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has been pretty consistent about this and nailed it.

Thanks.

In comment 11825945 Ron from Ninerland said:

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A team's need for a 50 - 55 yd Field goal kicker is also dependent on the overall offense. When the Giants have, lets say 4th down on the 35 it always has made more sense to either punt or give the ball to Eli depending on the situation. Keeping Josh Brown was the right move IMHO. If he retires in two years, worry about it then.

Yeah, usually as time runs out in the half or obviously at game's end

I didn't think about the points you made.

In comment 11826117 T in NJ said:

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I didn't think about the points you made.

Thanks.

I wished McManus would have won, but there are going to be crops of strong-legged kickers from now on.

You're seeing an evolution of the position.

Our O is always good until we reach the 20.

would have been huge in feild position and touchbacks with Tom Quinn coverage units. Also i know TC is going to start kicking every 50 yarder that comes his way but, end of games and end of halves nice to have a guy who can get your 3 point from 50 and give you shot from 60 if you need it, whatever, TC being TC.

last Friday is what did in McManus. Coughlin didn't look happy when McManus came to the sidelines after giving the Jets good field position. I thought then that Brown would be on the roster and McManus would be gone. Not sure I agree with the decision, but I do think that was the moment that the coach made up his mind. If Philly signs McManus, I will not be happy.

Brown will never kick a 60; McManus will. There will come a game where that's win/lose.

you need a 60 yarder to win a game is faw fewer than the number of missed 45 yarders that will lose a game.

You guys are acting as if Brown has the leg strength of Matt Bahr. Brown can kick 50+ yarders (and be about average in that aspect). This whole argument about upside also sounds a bit odd. Consistency is much more important than have the occasional outlier kick.